Major FPS Issues since the update 49, Anyone else?

[Exestant]

Yeah since the update this morning my normal 25-60 FPS is now 1-30, and thats with multicore on and off same thing.. I am running a dual core processor also...So the " Faster " running EQ update did the opposite hardcore for me..

[Delgaddo]

Yes, I'm also running a dual-core and my FPS dropped pretty substantially since LU 49.  So it's not just you.

[Mykale2]

I have a Quad core and have noticed about a 25% increase in FPS.

[Dewa]

The update greatly reduced my fps as well. I'm getting less than 50% of what I used to get.

[Thunderthyze]

64 bit single core here so shouldn't experience any differences but there are huge lag problems in places like SS where the live event stuff is based. Probably just server load for particular zones. Probably calm down in time.

[Anneguish]

The first day of the LU I did notice higer FPS and load rates. But the next day and every day after, its back to the same old FPS and sometimes its even worse. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[vivanos]

I also have a dual core (AMD 64 X2).  I turned multicore support off as I've noticed that I get better overall performance with it off.  With it on, areas where I would normaly get an FPS drop, I now get choppy character animation... which drives me crazy.  Hopefully the next update will provide better MC support.  At least they're working on it though... can't complain too much. 

[Pratell]

I get a significant FPS drop in combat, going down to like 4-8 FPS versus 16-20 before the LU.

[Exestant]

Is there any possible way that we could get a response, even one like were working on the problem at the moment? This makes soloing almost impossible for me unless its a fairly weak mob. The 2-10 FPS dips are frankly ridiculous.

[Necthana]

I have also been having problems with my fps since gu49.  My fps have been running at about half of what it was before the update.  I have tried turning the multicore option on and off but I still have the same problem.  Does anyone know if this problem is being addressed?

[Darkstar101]

Out of curiosity, have any of you previously set an affinity for eq2 to a certain core? Since this LU the client now defaults to the highest core and cascades backwards for threaded activity. Having set core affinity may cause an issue.

[Majin_MLF]

i havent played for half a year, just patched and wanted to try the multicore support - its awefulmy opteron 185 with geforce 8800 always has hickups now - no matter which setting, even high performancegod, the eq2 devs really suck, i dont think they have any clue about c++ threading and multicore architecture at all - instead oftaking the time to port the graphics engine to use dual core they should have instead ported the graphics engine to use the GPU instead of a CPUlike every other game released in the last 5 years

[Cassea]

AMD x2 with Vista 64.... getting about 25-50% boost in fps here depending on where I am.Working great for me... sorry others are having issues.

[TSR-DanielH]

I have actually seen an increase in performance on both my home machine and my office PC.  It's hard to say exactly whats happening for the people who have seen decreased performance since I haven't noticed a common link between the people reporting the problem.Darkstar has a good point.  Did anyone set a CPU affinity at some point before the patch?  If you've done so then you'll want to disable that option while running with multicore support turned on.

[Necthana]

Hi Daniel. First off let me say thanks for the response.  I have never set a CPU affinity so I doubt it could be that.  In another post you also mentioned that it might be a background application so I followed your directions and cleared my startup programs.  I also plan on sending a bug report in game as you had suggested.  At this point I still seem to be having issues with my FPS.  I am at a point where I have actually had to lower my settings in game so I could retain the same FPS that I am used to.  I hope to get an answer after reporting the bug in game, but in the meantime if you have any other ideas I would appreciate hearing them.  Thanks again for all of your help.

[TSR-DanielH]

<cite>Necthana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hi Daniel. First off let me say thanks for the response.  I have never set a CPU affinity so I doubt it could be that.  In another post you also mentioned that it might be a background application so I followed your directions and cleared my startup programs.  I also plan on sending a bug report in game as you had suggested.  At this point I still seem to be having issues with my FPS.  I am at a point where I have actually had to lower my settings in game so I could retain the same FPS that I am used to.  I hope to get an answer after reporting the bug in game, but in the meantime if you have any other ideas I would appreciate hearing them.  Thanks again for all of your help.</blockquote>Other than multi-core support, the only game engine change I'm aware of effected the shadows for the game.  Do you normally run with shadows enabled?  Do you see a significant change in FPS when switching it on and off?

[rosie01]

<p>Just for posterity's sake I am responding here LOL.I also am having significant problems.  My fps is no higher than 3 and I have been doing all the TS persons have advised.  no luck as of yet.</p><p>My question is why me and not my husband? His computer seems fine.</p>

[rosie01]

<cite>TSR-DanielH wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Necthana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hi Daniel. First off let me say thanks for the response.  I have never set a CPU affinity so I doubt it could be that.  In another post you also mentioned that it might be a background application so I followed your directions and cleared my startup programs.  I also plan on sending a bug report in game as you had suggested.  At this point I still seem to be having issues with my FPS.  I am at a point where I have actually had to lower my settings in game so I could retain the same FPS that I am used to.  I hope to get an answer after reporting the bug in game, but in the meantime if you have any other ideas I would appreciate hearing them.  Thanks again for all of your help.</blockquote>Other than multi-core support, the only game engine change I'm aware of effected the shadows for the game.  Do you normally run with shadows enabled?  Do you see a significant change in FPS when switching it on and off?</blockquote>Daniel, sir, I sent you a PM with my test results. I hope they help.

[Vismo]

I just re-uped after reading about the multi-core support and it's horrible. I'm so mad at myself right now. <div></div><div>I have a quad core at 3.4 and it only uses core 4 at 100%</div><div>8800gts 640</div><div>4 gigs of ram</div><div>Vista 64</div><div></div><div>The game runs horribly. I was shocked at how bad it runs. With everything turned on to max I get about 12-19 fps in some places. I can't beleive it. I even rollled back my drivers to an older one people had some luck with. Still bad. No other game I've tried performs so poorly, including AoC and WAR. I know these are all different engines, but I can't get over how bad performance is and I'm getting almost no use out of any other cores but #4.</div><div></div><div>What did I do wrong here?</div><div></div>

[Vismo]

*double post*<div></div>

[Necthana]

<cite>TSR-DanielH wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Necthana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hi Daniel. First off let me say thanks for the response.  I have never set a CPU affinity so I doubt it could be that.  In another post you also mentioned that it might be a background application so I followed your directions and cleared my startup programs.  I also plan on sending a bug report in game as you had suggested.  At this point I still seem to be having issues with my FPS.  I am at a point where I have actually had to lower my settings in game so I could retain the same FPS that I am used to.  I hope to get an answer after reporting the bug in game, but in the meantime if you have any other ideas I would appreciate hearing them.  Thanks again for all of your help.</blockquote>Other than multi-core support, the only game engine change I'm aware of effected the shadows for the game.  Do you normally run with shadows enabled?  Do you see a significant change in FPS when switching it on and off?</blockquote>I have never had shadows enabled because it slowed my game play too much.  I can't think of anything else I can do to improve my fps.  I would even be happy with it being back to where it was before the multi-core support, but the only way I can achieve that as of late is to lower my performance settings.  I just think their has to be something else going on since I never used to have this issue.

[Cassea]

<cite>Vismono wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just re-uped after reading about the multi-core support and it's horrible. I'm so mad at myself right now. <div></div><div>I have a quad core at 3.4 and it only uses core 4 at 100%</div><div>8800gts 640</div><div>4 gigs of ram</div><div>Vista 64</div><div></div><div>The game runs horribly. I was shocked at how bad it runs. With everything turned on to max I get about 12-19 fps in some places. I can't beleive it. I even rollled back my drivers to an older one people had some luck with. Still bad. No other game I've tried performs so poorly, including AoC and WAR. I know these are all different engines, but I can't get over how bad performance is and I'm getting almost no use out of any other cores but #4.</div><div></div><div>What did I do wrong here?</div><div></div></blockquote>I just wanted to comment that "turning everything on to max" and only getting 12-19 fps is normal!How much fps do you expect?There is not a computer in existance today that can play EQ2 with "everything" turned to max and getting 60fps. Resolution also affects this. As long as EQ2 uses our CPU's to process video information and we will always have this limitation. If CPU's were as fast as video cards at processing video info and there would be no need for video cards <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I really hope you find a solution but I had to laugh a bit when I read that you expected to turn everything in game to max and still get more than 19fps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cassea]

<cite>Vismono wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just re-uped after reading about the multi-core support and it's horrible. I'm so mad at myself right now. <div></div><div>I have a quad core at 3.4 and it only uses core 4 at 100%</div><div>8800gts 640</div><div>4 gigs of ram</div><div>Vista 64</div><div></div><div>The game runs horribly. I was shocked at how bad it runs. With everything turned on to max I get about 12-19 fps in some places. I can't beleive it. I even rollled back my drivers to an older one people had some luck with. Still bad. No other game I've tried performs so poorly, including AoC and WAR. I know these are all different engines, but I can't get over how bad performance is and I'm getting almost no use out of any other cores but #4.</div><div></div><div>What did I do wrong here?</div><div></div></blockquote>I am not being a snot here but I have:AMD 2x core running at 3000mhzVista 649600GTand the game runs fantastic. We have the same OS, you have a faster video card from teh same family and faster CPU so if EQ2 runs so bad it's something on your system and not SOE. I am running at 1050x1080 and I get from 24-60fps with shadows turned on. I do not have everything turned to max but about 75% so perhaps you are expecting too much from a game engine that dates to 2003.

[Vismo]

<cite>Cassea wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vismono wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just re-uped after reading about the multi-core support and it's horrible. I'm so mad at myself right now. <div></div><div>I have a quad core at 3.4 and it only uses core 4 at 100%</div><div>8800gts 640</div><div>4 gigs of ram</div><div>Vista 64</div><div></div><div>The game runs horribly. I was shocked at how bad it runs. With everything turned on to max I get about 12-19 fps in some places. I can't beleive it. I even rollled back my drivers to an older one people had some luck with. Still bad. No other game I've tried performs so poorly, including AoC and WAR. I know these are all different engines, but I can't get over how bad performance is and I'm getting almost no use out of any other cores but #4.</div><div></div><div>What did I do wrong here?</div><div></div></blockquote>I am not being a snot here but I have:AMD 2x core running at 3000mhzVista 649600GTand the game runs fantastic. We have the same OS, you have a faster video card from teh same family and faster CPU so if EQ2 runs so bad it's something on your system and not SOE. I am running at 1050x1080 and I get from 24-60fps with shadows turned on. I do not have everything turned to max but about 75% so perhaps you are expecting too much from a game engine that dates to 2003.</blockquote>I'm giving it another and doing some tweaking, it's probably some wierd maxed out setting I don't even need. I keep forgetting that eq2 is not the kind of game you want to use the pre-sets with and not tweak. Frustrating though.

[Vismo]

Well, this is weird.<div></div><div>After reading about Animation being shuffled to a second core when using multiprocessors, I went ahead and turned everything on animation to max and most of my problems vanished. The only thing I can think of is that it moved much more off the first core when I did this..but even that doesn't make complete sense seeing as it should have been running on the second core anyway. Anyway, some tweaking has restored playability to me, it's just always hard to remember that eq2 has a billion things to tweak and you can't just hit "max" and expect it to play well.</div><div></div>

[tikasa]

Someone else mentioned that Microsoft in all their glory had an autoupdate for Video cards for Vista.   I reinstalled my stock driver that came with the card and poof the problems went away.   It is automatically updated if you have updates turned on.

[inshiningarmor]

And now the poster above me cannot even log on.   Now I have to figure out what she did to FIX the problem SOE created.   Thank you for making all 3 computers that ran EQ2 perfectly before the last LU run like Crp now.   and b4 I get some remark about my system... 1 is a quad  1 is a dual 1 is a Single core.   All are running at least 4gb  up to 32 BG of ram.    Thet WERE running just fine.   Now all I get is missing frames making the video look choppy.

[Cassea]

<cite>inshiningarmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>And now the poster above me cannot even log on.   Now I have to figure out what she did to FIX the problem SOE created.   Thank you for making all 3 computers that ran EQ2 perfectly before the last LU run like Crp now.   and b4 I get some remark about my system... 1 is a quad  1 is a dual 1 is a Single core.   All are running at least 4gb  up to 32 BG of ram.    Thet WERE running just fine.   Now all I get is missing frames making the video look choppy.</blockquote>I'm not going to give you crap but if you have three systems and all three suddenly do not work correctly yet the vasty majority of people have no issues at all... well it has to be something you installed causing the conflict. Something has to be common on all three machines. EQ2 runs better after the update on all of my machines and my guild so while I'm not saying that SOE did not do something I think it's wrong to automatically assume that it's not on your end.After all it's beyond the realm of reason that a very very small percentage of machines are having issues yet all three or yours are. I would guess it's some conflict with some program or driver you have installed on all three systems.

[tikasa]

<cite>Cassea wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>inshiningarmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>And now the poster above me cannot even log on.   Now I have to figure out what she did to FIX the problem SOE created.   Thank you for making all 3 computers that ran EQ2 perfectly before the last LU run like Crp now.   and b4 I get some remark about my system... 1 is a quad  1 is a dual 1 is a Single core.   All are running at least 4gb  up to 32 BG of ram.    Thet WERE running just fine.   Now all I get is missing frames making the video look choppy.</blockquote>I'm not going to give you crap but if you have three systems and all three suddenly do not work correctly yet the vasty majority of people have no issues at all... well it has to be something you installed causing the conflict. Something has to be common on all three machines. EQ2 runs better after the update on all of my machines and my guild so while I'm not saying that SOE did not do something I think it's wrong to automatically assume that it's not on your end.After all it's beyond the realm of reason that a very very small percentage of machines are having issues yet all three or yours are. I would guess it's some conflict with some program or driver you have installed on all three systems.</blockquote>No he did not install anything.   only mine had the auto updates on and he finally fixed the video driver that I had changed =/   So In your EXPERT opinion what did WE and all of the others that are having this issue do to our computers?

[jmmaurer]

<cite>Cassea wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>inshiningarmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>And now the poster above me cannot even log on.   Now I have to figure out what she did to FIX the problem SOE created.   Thank you for making all 3 computers that ran EQ2 perfectly before the last LU run like Crp now.   and b4 I get some remark about my system... 1 is a quad  1 is a dual 1 is a Single core.   All are running at least 4gb  up to 32 BG of ram.    Thet WERE running just fine.   Now all I get is missing frames making the video look choppy.</blockquote>I'm not going to give you crap but if you have three systems and all three suddenly do not work correctly yet the vasty majority of people have no issues at all... well it has to be something you installed causing the conflict. Something has to be common on all three machines. EQ2 runs better after the update on all of my machines and my guild so while I'm not saying that SOE did not do something I think it's wrong to automatically assume that it's not on your end.After all it's beyond the realm of reason that a very very small percentage of machines are having issues yet all three or yours are. I would guess it's some conflict with some program or driver you have installed on all three systems.</blockquote>Cassea, you and Spyder should be paid by SoE,   No CSR ever has to tell people their system sucks, because you both beat them to it.    PLEASE at LEAST let SOE tell us our systems suck or it is all our fault.    People like you are the reason that people that do have problems do not bother posting.

[tikasa]

<p>   With 3 accounts running  72 FPS   with 1 account running 70 FPS    Showing no packet loss at all   ping is sub 200 on all 3   all 3 have Multi core disabled and shadows off.    Tried Multi core on same FPS.</p><p> <u><b>  It is missing about 3 frames in a row about every 15 seconds.. .making the game look choppy</b></u>.    As time goes by the choppiness runns closer together.....   My computer was formated last night due to trying to fix this myself, and the results are the same as the other 2 computers that were untouched.</p><p>Quad, dual, and single core machines, all single vid card 4850, all Vista</p>

[rosie01]

<p>I had the same issue.</p><p> I did not read all of the responses in this thread.  I was on an Intel chipset video card which was conflicting with the game.</p><p>I bought a Nvidia GE Force 9500 with 1 gig of ram.  Ping low 100's FPS in the 30s.  My problem is solved.</p><p>Good luck to others.  I hope you find a way to fix it.  I was quite bummed that I couldn't play.</p>

[Cassea]

<cite>jmmaurer wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cassea wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>inshiningarmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>And now the poster above me cannot even log on.   Now I have to figure out what she did to FIX the problem SOE created.   Thank you for making all 3 computers that ran EQ2 perfectly before the last LU run like Crp now.   and b4 I get some remark about my system... 1 is a quad  1 is a dual 1 is a Single core.   All are running at least 4gb  up to 32 BG of ram.    Thet WERE running just fine.   Now all I get is missing frames making the video look choppy.</blockquote>I'm not going to give you crap but if you have three systems and all three suddenly do not work correctly yet the vasty majority of people have no issues at all... well it has to be something you installed causing the conflict. Something has to be common on all three machines. EQ2 runs better after the update on all of my machines and my guild so while I'm not saying that SOE did not do something I think it's wrong to automatically assume that it's not on your end.After all it's beyond the realm of reason that a very very small percentage of machines are having issues yet all three or yours are. I would guess it's some conflict with some program or driver you have installed on all three systems.</blockquote>Cassea, you and Spyder should be paid by SoE,   No CSR ever has to tell people their system sucks, because you both beat them to it.    PLEASE at LEAST let SOE tell us our systems suck or it is all our fault.    People like you are the reason that people that do have problems do not bother posting.</blockquote>I never said their system sucks. I have, in the past, pointed out when people are trying to run EQ2 with hardware that is "not" supposed to run it but in this case the poster stated that all of a sudden three (3) totally separate computers they owned all stopped playing at the same time.Clearly SOE did something but this change did not affect everyone... in fact very few people were affected so when you look at three system owned by the same person this usually means that they installed something common on all three systems (virus protection, background programs, same drivers etc...) that could be the issue.SOE is not perfect and I am not a SOE fanboy as I can be very hard on them (look at some of my posts LOL) but posts like "you did something so fix it" does nothing to help.Something has to be common to all three systems. I run EQ2 on mutliple systems from 2x cores with kickass video cards to lowely single core 1800mhz machines with a lowly $25 video card and they all run EQ2 just fine. My guild is not having issues and while I do not proclaim that just because I am not having issues or anyone I know is having issues that there is not a problem... when 3 computers in the same house all stop working at the same time... well something is common between the systems.EQ2 does not take much of a system to run well... it does, however, take a beast of a system to run great. IMHO people often think that just because EQ2 is old and that other games run much better that they can automatically crank things up in EQ2. We all know this not to be true.I really how the answer is found. I suspect that the deep rooted answer is something people will not want to hear.... SOE is bringing EQ2 up to the modern era and those who have been playing on old, out of date machines, will be unhappy to learn that their machines that ran EQ2 just fine 5+ years ago will no longer work the same.We beat SOE over the head (myself included!) and beg them to update the game. When they take the time, $$$ and effort to do so then we have people saying to keep the game the way it was.Sure there will be teething pains. Adding multi-core support to a game never designed for it is no small task but in the end we'll all be better off for it.So let's deal with the construction knowing that in the end EQ2 will be a better game for us all.

[tikasa]

<p>3   You are blind and dumb.   more peeps have posted and VERY few actually go to the forums.    Tired of know it alls saying it is all our fault and we are the only ones...   By the mods own posts they estimate less then 10% go to the forums ... less to this section as most time it only gets frustrating because of armchair CSR's</p>

[Cassea]

<cite>tikasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>3   You are blind and dumb.   more peeps have posted and VERY few actually go to the forums.    Tired of know it alls saying it is all our fault and we are the only ones...   By the mods own posts they estimate less then 10% go to the forums ... less to this section as most time it only gets frustrating because of armchair CSR's</p></blockquote>Any particular reason you have to personally attack me? I'm not stupid and I know that those who visit the forums are just a small sample of actual players. I also only see a small handfull of people saying they are having these issues out of the hundreds or more who visit here each day.What have "you" done to try and track down this issue aside from coming here and attacking me? BTW I never said it was all your fault but I guess it's easier these days to just sit back and pass blame to others.Could SOE have changed something that affected "some" setups? Of course but this does not automatically mean that it's SOE's fault. Perhaps they changed something that exposed a flaw or issue in a driver in your system. Perhaps you have some unique combination of hardware/software that is affected by this.The number of driver/hardware/software combinations on PC's are staggering. I don't seem to recall seeing your system specs posted. If you have then I much have missed it. Coming here and have a tantrum because your game does not play the way you want and then attacking others who are either trying to help or expressing an opinion that differs from your own is just juvenille.I'll stop here because this is accomplishing nothing and all we'll get is a forum ban if we go back and forth like this.

[tikasa]

<p>Honestly I do not care if I get banned or not.    Settings ultra high or ultra low  same results... Game is unplayable right now.   BF already canceled all 5 TSO's </p><p>We were running 3 at a time on 2nd to highest settings with FPS 60+   now we cannot get 1 on lowest to play decently.    </p><p>I am sorry that I started attacking you, but more often then not ANY person who posts a problem in these forums get the same canned responce...   It is your fault not Our's/SoE's.    </p><p>FYI   beta is not affected by this.   I have all 3 accounts logged in on Beta on top settings...  lag in Moors right now  ( high population ) but no choppiness at all.   Something that is on live but not Beta right now.</p>

[Kaco2]

My crappy laptop has gotten better performance since GU49, but then again I always make sure my drivers are as up-to-date as possible and make sure windows is too. Only problems I have with lag are due to ISP problems and rarley my laptop or eq2 related

[FlowerFist]

I am having very low FPS... like 3-4 low. I log in with about 50ish, then drop to under 10 within 30 secs. (on extreme performance settings!) 2g, single core, 32bit vista, nvidia 7300... nothing fancy but I have never had a probelm like this (other than qeynos harbor etc) This only started a few days ago. I have made sure all drivers/updates were current, virus scan adware etc... I tried installing my original graphics card drivers like someone suggested w/ no change.

[Chiyoiche]

<p>their not the only ones either....i have Vista, dual core, and since the last patch, sometimes my fps is improved, but then sometimes when i do much more, it drops.....horribly.....2-6 fps...it making it very difficult to even move. all my drivers are up to date, i normaly defrag, sys clean, ect. i have no virus, spywares or anything like that. i put the game on high performance...then very high...then sometimes i even have to go to extreem...to just be able to STAND in my own house, and not see everything skipping around. andi have to relog...alot just to refresh it, only to have to do it again in less than an hour at times.</p> <p>its not justa few persons with this issue, its ALOT of us, and many do not come to the forums. they fixed the hall lag...great! but now everything else lags. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> and i dont have anything else in the background running. ive even tried disabling my firewall/anti irus to play. and still the lag. and specialy with the live events, its making it hard to enjoy them. this makes me sad... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p>

[ganjookie]

<p>  I do not think that a dev will respondto a /bug.  There are a few who read the forums here (not a TSR but  developer with a red name) that you may be able to PM your information and issue to though.</p>

[Arwin]

<p><cite>Caliope@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote>2g, single core, 32bit vista, nvidia 7300... </blockquote> <p>There's your problem. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <p>2g - EQ2 runs best when it has at least 1.5 GB memory for the client. With Vista, antivirus, ect... running in the background you may be cutting EQ2 short of the ram it needs and your computer is using the hard drive's swap file for system ram, drastically slowing down your system.</p> <p>Single core - You didn't mention which single core proc but it's a safe bet it's 2+ years old. There have been performance boosts in leaps and bounds since single core days. Look into an Intel Core 2 Duo system or upgrade. 2.8 Ghz or higher is good.</p> <p>32 bit Vista /shudder...</p> <p>Nvidia 7300 - This is a low end and often integrated graphics chip and probably the cause for the bulk of your fps problems. If this is a desktop pc I'd say look into upgrading your video card to at the very least a <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102725">Radeon 3650 GDDR3</a> for $45 after mail in rebate. Higher end cards such as the 9800GT can be purchased as low as $100 after mail ins.</p>

[meaogre]

<p>My pc has also not been the same since the update.  I have gone as low as 16 fps when before the update I rarely went under 75.</p><p>Windows vista 64</p><p>E8400 3.0 ghz duel core</p><p>4 Gigs ram</p><p>Nvidia 280 Gtx</p><p>soundblaster 24 xternal sound</p><p>500 gig wd HD Sata 2 (pretty much empty got vista EQ2 on it and thats about it)</p><p>I can play anygame near or at max settings with very good fps but since this last update I have crashed BSOD (memory management error) The eq2 client has stopped responding error.. ran memory diagnostic program from microsoft for 6 hours no errors.  Have reinstalled vista reinstalled all drivers I crash a little less but I still crash.  Almost went as far as replacing all my ram im glad I didnt now that I see tons of people are having the same problem.</p>

[Brinelan]

<p>I had just reinstalled vista 64 which played great.  Using both the same as before and the new drivers nvidia released yesterday I was getting about 9 fps. </p><p>I normally play in windowed mode, when i had it maximised the fps was horrible, when i minimised it but stretched it until it almost filled my screen it shot up to 40+ fps.  very strange. </p><p>9800GTX</p><p>AMD 6400+ dual core</p><p>Vista 64</p><p>8gb ram</p><p>1680x1050 screen</p><p>*Edit*  I updated to the newest nov 2008 directx package from MS, and switched to fullscreen, and am getting int he 50's fps running around my guilds very decorated guild hall on Very High quality.  Nforce drivers are 15.23, and geforce drivers are 180.48.</p>

[Xandis]

<p><cite>Chiyoiche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>"...then sometimes i even have to go to extreem...to just be able to STAND in my own house, and not see everything skipping around. andi have to relog...alot just to refresh it, only to have to do it again in less than an hour at times."</p></blockquote><p>I experience this too.</p><p>This isn't a resolution, but a slight work-a-round that seems to work for me most of the time.</p><p>Instead of relogging, try putting EQ2 into windowed mode, and then back to full screen. (Alt+Enter)Sometimes this works, as a soft refresh, and clears up some of the stuttering and FPS loss for a short while that seems to accrue over playtime since GU49 (for myself, anyway).It might also be a telling of what the actual problem is, but I haven't figured it out yet.</p><p>Some of us seem to be experiencing these new issues, some no change, and some a performance increase, all about the same time. Interesing )</p><p>Quote:"I updated to the newest nov 2008 directx package from MS, and switched to fullscreen, and am getting int he 50's fps running around my guilds very decorated guild hall on Very High quality.  Nforce drivers are 15.23, and geforce drivers are 180.48." - I'll try this tonight! Thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>