Are there undocumented racial disadvantages?

[seymord]

<p>Harvesting skill-ups on most of my characters happen regularly/often. But I find that those skill-ups on a new gnome toon are fewer and farther between. Is my gnome ADD?  Does she forget what she's doing, therefore can't figure out how to harvest better as quickly as my other racial alts?</p><p>In addition, my fae seems to have a great deal of difficulty getting swimming skill-ups? Is it possible the wings are a hindrance when trying to learn to swim?</p><p> Are these undocumented racial disadvantages or just my imagination? And if there are racial disadvantages why not document them, as has been done with the racial abilties?</p>

[Cusashorn]

Nope. Just the Random Number Generator telling you how you skill up.

[Lethe5683]

Fae need to swim underwater to get better skillups.  I don't know about gnomes but I bet they are ADD.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Eboj]

well, if you are a gnome you will be exposed to statements like "gnomes taste best fresh from the grill" or "gnomes are like fingerfood, just smaller" and thats not in the manual, but actual game play affecting drawbacks? none, expect issues caused by size (try playing a sarnak in sh).

[Rijacki]

Fae and Arasai need scuba gear to get skill-ups.  They have to swim deeper than any other race, it might be the wings.  Plus, to swim deeper, especially when starting your dive, you need to be in 1st person.I just figure my winged girls dislike getting their wings wet and RP to that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Lasai]

Depends on what you call disadvantages I guess.To me, the biggest "hidden" disadvantage is that every bit of gear is designed for the human/elf model... no accomodation for tailed races, and poor froglocks, the clipping issues they have with nearly every piece of gear is just sad.   There is no "racial" gear, so the further away you get from the human/elf model, the worse it fits/looks.Put a Soga Erudite into a Formal dress if you want to see how badly some items fit.Scaling is another issue.  Smaller elves don't get scaled weapons like the smaller races.. so, most weapons are inordinately large for them.  Fae can have issues with some weapons as well, my little Fae Templar's scourge drags on the ground and the flail part is as tall as she is.Yah, minor fluff to some.. but looks are important to me.

[Gilasil]

<cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Fae need to swim underwater to get better skillups.  I don't know about gnomes but I bet they are ADD.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>My Iksar has to swim underwater to get skillups in swimming.  Of course my Iksar can breathe underwater. 

[Lethe5683]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Depends on what you call disadvantages I guess.To me, the biggest "hidden" disadvantage is that every bit of gear is designed for the human/elf model... no accomodation for tailed races, and poor froglocks, the clipping issues they have with nearly every piece of gear is just sad.   There is no "racial" gear, so the further away you get from the human/elf model, the worse it fits/looks.Put a Soga Erudite into a Formal dress if you want to see how badly some items fit.Scaling is another issue.  Smaller elves don't get scaled weapons like the smaller races.. so, most weapons are inordinately large for them.  Fae can have issues with some weapons as well, my little Fae Templar's scourge drags on the ground and the flail part is as tall as she is.Yah, minor fluff to some.. but looks are important to me.</blockquote>As a ratonga I have problems when wearing any of the longer capes since my feet go through them while running. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Grumble69]

<cite>Gilasil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Fae need to swim underwater to get better skillups.  I don't know about gnomes but I bet they are ADD.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>My Iksar has to swim underwater to get skillups in swimming.  Of course my Iksar can breathe underwater. </blockquote>I thought it was just bad luck with my DE.  But it seemed like in the 50-150 range, my swimming wouldn't go up unless I was underwater.  Now it's not so bad and either will raise it.

[Arcueid]

<p>For Freeport residents, try a day spelunking in Edgewater drains. Got my DE Assassin to max swimming while working on writs and armor quests.</p><p>Try being an Ogre and going through Halfing/Gnome towns, that's one clear disadvantage..unless SoE brings in destructable buildings or walls.</p><p>Lego Everquest anyone?!</p>

[Odys]

There is a main hidden racial advantage that had been proved (with overhelming probability)using monte carlo methods.  After analyzing massive date it was found that Frogs find on average 3 time more exquisite, 5 time more precious treasury and twice more ornated. It still possible that those numbers are simply the result of Frogs being lucky those last monthes but du to the sample size it is extremely unlikely (loot log of many servers over long time period were used). From that 2 conclusion can be made :1) You better be a frog. 2) If you are not you better invite one in you group.I totally accept this Frog bonus, they are nice people and subject to many traumas (Droargs, Sarnaks ...)

[Arcueid]

<p>Sadly I can confirm that Fae's and Arasai's are clearly waterly disadvantaged even when they do appear like they are swimming in water. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Illine]

<p>In EQ1, wasn't intelligence helping you increase skills faster?? (just from long ago memory, since I didn't play EQ1 much).</p><p>But from what I remember, a high intelligence toon would up his skills faster than a dumb toon. Is it the same in EQ2? I don't think. But I have a hard time increasing slash and pierce on my brawler <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (piercing increases faster than slash, maybe it depends which weapon is your primary, and secondary)</p>

[Loolee]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>Fae and Arasai need scuba gear to get skill-ups.  They have to swim deeper than any other race, it might be the wings.  Plus, to swim deeper, especially when starting your dive, you need to be in 1st person.I just figure my winged girls dislike getting their wings wet and RP to that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>Have you ever watched a bug on the surface of the water?  Usually, they aren't heavy enough to break the surface tension of the water and end up walking on it more than swimming anyway.<img src="http://degiorgi.math.hr/forum/images/smiles/pP.gif" alt="" border="0" />

[Laij]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Depends on what you call disadvantages I guess.To me, the biggest "hidden" disadvantage is that every bit of gear is designed for the human/elf model... no accomodation for tailed races, and poor froglocks, the clipping issues they have with nearly every piece of gear is just sad.   There is no "racial" gear, so the further away you get from the human/elf model, the worse it fits/looks.Put a Soga Erudite into a Formal dress if you want to see how badly some items fit.Scaling is another issue.  Smaller elves don't get scaled weapons like the smaller races.. so, most weapons are inordinately large for them.  Fae can have issues with some weapons as well, my little Fae Templar's scourge drags on the ground and the flail part is as tall as she is.Yah, minor fluff to some.. but looks are important to me.</blockquote> Yuck! I know. My female Kerra in one of those slit-up-to-thigh dresses???  Just shouldn't happen!   /shudders   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   Fortunately, she prefers her chain armor. Must be the tomcat in her.

[Kellin]

Ogres have very large bottoms.  This causes them to gain agro in places where other races can slip by.  Even when in an illusion, the ogres always seem to brush the edges of mob proximity agro when nobody else does.  I can't speak for trolls or sarnak, though they tend to be a bit more slender, so it's possible they don't have this problem.Fae need to swim underwater to gain swimming skillups, especially at low levels.Fae racial glide can actually be a liability in places where you need to jump straight down.Small races can have difficulty getting up staircases and rocky places - they often need to jump as opposed to simply running.Large races have problems in small, confined areas.  This is especially annoying in places like Rivervale, where all the buildings are scaled to halflings.I've not noticed any difference in skillup speeds between my characters, but I don't have much variety in races.

[Graywindnz]

<p>I think Tongas are prone to aggro, mine usually die on a pull I think its due to the misconception that we taste nice....</p>

[Lasai]

<cite>Graywindnz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think Tongas are prone to aggro, mine usually die on a pull I think its due to the misconception that we taste nice....</p></blockquote>You do know that excessive hopping and noisemaking generates slow zonewide aggro right?   It's not as severe as Nathan Ironforge aggro gain, but is there nevertheless.<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Lethe5683]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Graywindnz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think Tongas are prone to aggro, mine usually die on a pull I think its due to the misconception that we taste nice....</p></blockquote>You do know that excessive hopping and noisemaking generates slow zonewide aggro right?   It's not as severe as Nathan Ironforge aggro gain, but is there nevertheless.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>Nathan ironforge aggro?

[Kellin]

<cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Nathan ironforge aggro?</blockquote>Have you ever seen a gnoll before?

[Thunndar316]

<p>Gnome tank = Ogre tank</p><p>LOL WUT?</p>

[Lasai]

<cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Graywindnz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think Tongas are prone to aggro, mine usually die on a pull I think its due to the misconception that we taste nice....</p></blockquote>You do know that excessive hopping and noisemaking generates slow zonewide aggro right?   It's not as severe as Nathan Ironforge aggro gain, but is there nevertheless.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>Nathan ironforge aggro?</blockquote>OT, but aggro generation by Nathan and his FP counterpart, Orphius.  Just being near them generates hate, and Im sure nearly every player in game would cross half a zone if they ever became attackable.  I would come from Kunzar myself for a shot at Orphius.it was a silly joke.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[GrunEQ]

<span style="font-size: small;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">I put my ogress on Soga, rather than looking like a drag queen, she now looks like champion female weightlifter.  She also takes up less space. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></span>