Defiler or Fury?

[Broseph]

<p>I've been playing EQ2 since the day it came out and i am returning from long break of WoW. I want to make either a fury or a Defiler to compliment my brother's brigand. I dont mind playing a support class to his char but i dont want to give up my ability to solo. I want to be able to go off and do my own thing if i need or want to. So of the two, which would be a better soloing class that could still help in a group and be useful in a raid? All advice will be taken into consideration and is greatly appreciated.</p>

[Besual]

Solo: FuryGroup: Both will workRaid: A defiler will go either in MT or OT group, fury in mage group. At best a raid wants one of each but defiler can be replaced by a mystics without much lost and the to raiding guilds put a templar or inqui in the mage group.On point you might wont to consider: Fury is the most played healer class, defiler the second last one. (Fury -> Templar -> Warden -> Mysti -> Defiler -> Inqui)

[arieste]

<cite>Broseph wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I've been playing EQ2 since the day it came out and i am returning from long break of WoW. I want to make either a fury or a Defiler to compliment my brother's brigand. I dont mind playing a support class to his char but i dont want to give up my ability to solo. I want to be able to go off and do my own thing if i need or want to. So of the two, which would be a better soloing class that could still help in a group and be useful in a raid? All advice will be taken into consideration and is greatly appreciated.</p></blockquote>generally speaking, a fury can kill stuff faster while a defiler can kill tougher stuff.   to play with a brigand, i'd definitely go with a defiler, brig will love your RoA and haste buffs when DUOing.  You will never run out of power, the brigand will never die.  Brig has group invis, so the group invis from the fury is useless.  Brig/Defiler may just be the ultimate heroic duo combo in the game.   If you plan to solo a lot at lower levels, it will be more painful as a defiler.  Fury also has ability to port which is nice for travel, but ultimately I wouldn't base my choice on that.

[Sedenten]

<p>Please don't take offense to this, but these sorts of threads always bug me.  To be fair, you are at least presenting an example of the type of class you are looking for.  But I see so many of these exact threads (class1 or class2?) that it baffles me sometimes.  Again, that's no offense to you as a person but you could get an answer just as quickly by spending about 15 minutes glancing through the Fury and Defiler boards (or by doing a search for "defiler soloing&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  From your original post, I gather you just want a healer that can keep up a brigand while duoing but can solo fairly well when that brigand is not available while bringing something to the table for raiding.  From your tone, I gather you are more worried about how well the said priest can solo.</p><p>Defilers are one of the best healers in the game.  One of our big downfalls as a result is how tedious soloing can be for us.  That isn't to say we cannot solo, but that it takes us a while.  If you want to be a very solid healer, we fit the bill very well in group as well as raid situations.</p><p>There's many, many threads touting how well furies solo compared to other priests.  They can also heal quite well, though they are much more offensive based (again, probably the most offensive based priest of the bunch).  </p><p>ANY priest you play will complement a brigand when duoing.  You could pick any of the 6 and be well off in that department.  I'm sure there's a few opinions about which could do a better job, but it all boils down to the player.  A good player could could take any priest and make them look overpowered.  That being said, a defiler isn't going to add a metric ton of DPS to a duo team.  We do OK, but we're more defensive based than anything else.  We'll more than likely overheal in most situations given the way our wards work.</p><p>So it sounds like you're looking for a fury, to be honest.  If it helps any, furies tend to be the most common type of healer so you'll find quite a bit of competition in later levels since everyone seems to own one.  On the other side, defilers are thought of as one trick ponies when it comes to raid healing.  We exel in the main tank group, but do not bring as much to the table as other priests in other groups.  So there is that to think about.  In short, there's a lot of variables here and you'll likely get every answer imagineable from a variety of different players.</p>

[arieste]

<cite>Sedenten wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> On the other side, defilers are thought of as one trick ponies when it comes to raid healing.  We exel in the main tank group, but do not bring as much to the table as other priests in other groups.</p></blockquote>I don't know who exactly it is that thinks of defilers as "one trick ponies", but seeing how I am usually the 2nd defiler on the raid and out of MT group, i have had years of experience healing OT group, scout group and even mage group.  and i personally bring a f**kton to doing it.  just sayin...

[Sedenten]

<cite>arieste wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sedenten wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> On the other side, defilers are thought of as one trick ponies when it comes to raid healing.  We exel in the main tank group, but do not bring as much to the table as other priests in other groups.</p></blockquote>I don't know who exactly it is that thinks of defilers as "one trick ponies", but seeing how I am usually the 2nd defiler on the raid and out of MT group, i have had years of experience healing OT group, scout group and even mage group.  and i personally bring a f**kton to doing it.  just sayin...</blockquote><p>Personally I wholeheartedly agree with you--I am one of three defilers in my guild and we have no issues with our roles during raids handling VP and other highend content.  </p><p>A lot of other defilers (at least, on EQ2flames) are under this preconceived conception that it's more efficient to have another healer in those secondary roles within a raid.  That isn't to say that we can't do a great job there, but that other healers bring more utility to those groups than we can (i.e. buffs).  We can heal extremely well in any group, but we wouldn't be amplifying the group much otherwise (hit point buffs and invective on a melee?).  A mythical mystic in a melee centered group would fill that role much better.  A templar or fury in a caster centered group would be overall more effective than a defiler.  Main tank and offtank we can truly shine over other priests, however.  I unintentionally left the offtank group out of my original statement, but I know full well how effective we are there.  There's still raid leaders who would rather put a mystic in the offtank group if they had a choice between the two (i.e. just keep one defiler total in the MT group and not recruit any others).</p><p>This is mainly coming from those guilds that religiously min-max their raid force.  I wouldn't mind 4 defilers in a raid if it were my choice as a raid leader.  I'm kind off odd like that, though.</p>

[Tamo]

<p>Either healer will work well, but you may be able to kill tougher stuff with the defiler. As for raiding... you really won't get 1 solid answers because every guild has a different view of what works and what doesn't. If you end up being the only defiler/fury in the raid, cool beans, if not then I suppose you need to learn to share.</p>

[Karihi]

<p>If you go for "dps gear" and "dps spec" it does make it a lot easier, its still kinda slow, but it helps a lot.</p><p>To some of the other posts: </p><p>I personally love solo healing mage or scout groups more then I like being in a MT group, I always have, and I have always done exceptionally well at it.  Yes perhaps another healer might bring more buffs to the group, but an alive group is still an alive group... </p>

[Besual]

<cite>Keaharin@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you go for "dps gear" and "dps spec" it does make it a lot easier, its still kinda slow, but it helps a lot.</p><p>To some of the other posts: </p><p>I personally love solo healing mage or scout groups more then I like being in a MT group, I always have, and I have always done exceptionally well at it. Yes perhaps another healer might bring more buffs to the group, but an alive group is still an alive group... </p></blockquote>Any healer can keep the mage group alive as long as he isn't AFK. But besdide the HP buff for a necro with life burn, Voice of the Ancestors (if needed for that fight) and RoA we don't bring anything to the mage group.Don't get me wrong, I have been healer for the mage group few times because my guild doesn't run an optimized roster. Well, we don't even have a minimum attendance. That's why we go with 4-5 fighters or 3-4 ward caster on some raids. Of course progressed slower then other raid guilds (just cleared VP last month for the first time) but the main goal for us to have fun.To sum it up: Defiler in the mage group is an option but not the best one <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Illine]

<p>I have a lvl 49 defiler.</p><p>solo is boring. with my wards I don't fear many things but my dps is weak, even if I maxed the int line for crit. </p><p>defilers make the mob weaker, so it's nice in group or duo but solo is a pain coz it takes forever to kill something.</p><p>plus I don't have yet canibalize and I have mana issues while soloing. Defiler is a bit like a templar. great healer but a pain to level alone. while fury have great dps, even a melee spec mystic or warden dps more than defilers. I thinks inquis dps a lot more too.</p><p>if you want a good healer/soloer take a druid, they solo effectivelly till T8 I think (at least for warden). defilers are slow, I like them, but not for solo. </p>