Best DPS?

[Crypto1990]

What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?I'm an EQOA player, comin back to EQ2. =P

[apasserby]

What you are asking=Best DPS..is opinionated..heres some input from experience.First and foremost,if one really learns ones class,it will be good.My experiences with 3 classes that have been alot of fun to play and pretty much go where they want to go...1) Warlock..has root,invis,ports,nukes..a great soloer,have not grouped much so that area i have no input.2)ShadowKnight...fighter/necro mix..fastest lvl class i ever had,lotta tools,great damage,just a real joy to get into mischief with.3) Wizzy..cannot say enough about how much fun this class can be,has all the tools,needs spell upgrades more so then other classes which can get expensive..allows you to pretty much get into alot of tough fights and come away with butt still attached,or just hit evac spell and poof...you gone =)hope this gives you some ideas,I would strongly recommend making a char in either good or bad normal areas,then after 2 lvl leave,go to main city,go to main activity area..qeynos harbor or east freeport,use recall bind there,then head to Tim deep..boat from ant or com to kunark,bell on dock by ant side,once in Tim either ask in ooc where starter area is or blunder your way there.Great starter area,great gear,lotta fun..easy to try a few classes and see what you are comfy with....have fun and always keep harvest skills up,helps with cash flow.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?</blockquote>All of the dps classes are the "best". Its the talent behind the keyboard that determines how well they perform in comparison. If one class were better than the rest then everyone would be playing that class.Now if you're really asking which dps class is the "easiest" to play.. well that is an entirely different question all together.

[Besual]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?</blockquote>All of the dps classes are the "best". Its the talent behind the keyboard that determines how well they perform in comparison. If one class were better than the rest then everyone would be playing that class.Now if you're really asking which dps class is the "easiest" to play.. well that is an entirely different question all together.</blockquote>It's not only the player (but the player will have a huge impact). If your DPS will be good or bad depends on the group setup (if you have the right buffer) as well as on the mobs you are fighting. Some classes a better against multi-mob-encounter (warlock for example) while others shine vs. single mob encounters (wizards). Some (raid) mobs have a knockback on melee hit -> ranged DD classes will do here better.Another point is, that the game is in motion. This expansion melee DDs will perform better the caster DD. With the next expansion whis might change.In conclusion I would say assasine is in the moment the "best" DPS class: RoK has mostly single mob encounters and melee DDs are currently better then ranged DDs.

[steelbadger]

If you are asking the question with regards to levelling up; probably a Warlock.If you are asking with regards to RoK raiding; AssassinIf you are asking the question with regards to TSO; I don't know.  If I had to guess I'd say Wizard (Honestly got no clue though, I'm just assuming that SOE will pull an overkill when trying to rebalance caster and melee dps)

[firza]

<cite>steelbadger wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you are asking the question with regards to levelling up; probably a Warlock.If you are asking with regards to RoK raiding; AssassinIf you are asking the question with regards to TSO; I don't know.  If I had to guess I'd say Wizard (Honestly got no clue though, I'm just assuming that SOE will pull an overkill when trying to rebalance caster and melee dps)</blockquote>Rightcha...as if Aerilik would ever let another class get the better of his own<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Windowlicker]

Currently nobody is beating the Assassin.

[Pathin Merrithay]

<p>Except for the last post I think these were alot of cop-out answers to an honest question.</p><p> It's an assassin. Hands down and going away.</p><p>A meh assassin can beat a good Wizard and decent ranger. A great assassin beats everyone. </p>

[Rahatmattata]

Assassin

[Rahatmattata]

<cite>bleh</cite>

[Khurghan]

If you are looking at doing group/instance content then "currently" an assassin is probably the best bet.If you are looking at progressing beyond that then wizard or warlock probably best.Hope this helps.

[Ranja]

<cite>apasserby wrote:</cite><blockquote>What you are asking=Best DPS..is opinionated..heres some input from experience.First and foremost,if one really learns ones class,it will be good.My experiences with 3 classes that have been alot of fun to play and pretty much go where they want to go...1) Warlock..has root,invis,ports,nukes..a great soloer,have not grouped much so that area i have no input.2)ShadowKnight...fighter/necro mix..fastest lvl class i ever had,lotta tools,great damage,just a real joy to get into mischief with.3) Wizzy..cannot say enough about how much fun this class can be,has all the tools,needs spell upgrades more so then other classes which can get expensive..allows you to pretty much get into alot of tough fights and come away with butt still attached,or just hit evac spell and poof...you gone =)hope this gives you some ideas,I would strongly recommend making a char in either good or bad normal areas,then after 2 lvl leave,go to main city,go to main activity area..qeynos harbor or east freeport,use recall bind there,then head to Tim deep..boat from ant or com to kunark,bell on dock by ant side,once in Tim either ask in ooc where starter area is or blunder your way there.Great starter area,great gear,lotta fun..easy to try a few classes and see what you are comfy with....have fun and always keep harvest skills up,helps with cash flow.</blockquote>Spoken by someone that has really no clue. As well as most of the other posters. All of these type answers are cop outs. Currently the best DPS is melee DPS.AssassinRanger/SwashieBrigUsually in the order. But like others said next expansion this could change to see caster better. But currently the best DPS is assassin hands down.

[Pathin Merrithay]

<cite>Khurghan wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you are looking at doing group/instance content then "currently" an assassin is probably the best bet.If you are looking at progressing beyond that then wizard or warlock probably best.Hope this helps.</blockquote>I don't mean to offend, but this is just plain wrong. Progressing beyond group/instance (ie: Raid) content the assassin still reigns supreme; Doing so with far less effort and with much less "need" specific gear.

[thajo]

<cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?I'm an EQOA player, comin back to EQ2. =P </blockquote>ConfirmedPs. Apasserby...hit the space bar more often ;p

[Darkor]

<cite>firza wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>steelbadger wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you are asking the question with regards to levelling up; probably a Warlock.If you are asking with regards to RoK raiding; AssassinIf you are asking the question with regards to TSO; I don't know.  If I had to guess I'd say Wizard (Honestly got no clue though, I'm just assuming that SOE will pull an overkill when trying to rebalance caster and melee dps)</blockquote>Rightcha...as if Aerilik would ever let another class get the better of his own<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>so true =/

[YeldarbSpiritbla]

<p>Here's the truth, because everyone "thinks" the other guy is better, and there are so many horrible players in this game now.</p><p>In raids:</p><p>The ranger, assassin, wizard and illusionist consistently fight for first place on the parse. We don't have a warlock any more, but when we did, he was in that as well. Most usually, the ranger will win, and the assassin, with the wizard less often, but he usually doesn't hit as quickly to draw agro.</p><p>A LOT of parses in raids is so dependent on group makeup, that with the right groups and mob makeup, you could even have a swashbuckler on top of the parse. But given the right groups, good players, with good equipment, ranger, assassin, and wizard will be the top three, in any order. Just remember that the scouts have more de-agros, and more mitigation, so if they pull agro, they are more likely to live through it. If a wizard pulls agro, he's dead.</p><p>For all the wizards that are in the game though, I've noticed very few are very good. You can't throw a gnome without hitting a wizard, but you could look all day without finding a good one. We've tried out several wizards with epics and great gear, and let's just say in every case, they are less than desirable. Our current wizard has no problem keeping up with the rest, but in most cases, you'll find more whiners than actual players.</p><p>In groups:</p><p>The ranger, assassin, and illusionist will usually be on top for groups. Wizards and warlocks have the potential, but heroic fights are so fast, and stuff dies so quickly, a wizard barely has time to cast anything. Then, if he gets a resist, then forget the parse for that fight. They do very well compared to the other classes, but among the real dps'ers in a group, the wizard/warlock will probably not hit number 1 very often.</p><p>Solo:</p><p>Hands down, no contest, not even close. Wizards and warlocks blow EVERYONE away solo. Seriously, I've seen wizards and warlocks solo stuff I have no hope in ever being able to come close. They are the top dog for solo. When our warlock used to sit at VP entrance and kill the heroic wurms there easily, without worry, and quickly, I lost ALL/ANY sympathy for wizards/warlocks. </p><p>Rangers can solo, but he better have a lot of room, and he can't make any mistakes. It's really tough for a ranger to recover, and forget the multiple heroic mobs. Assassins can barely solo solo mobs 1 level higher, let alone multiple heroic mobs. Wizards/warlocks decimate solo.</p>

[Windowlicker]

<cite>thajoka wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?I'm an EQOA player, comin back to EQ2. =P </blockquote>ConfirmedPs. Apasserby...hit the space bar more often ;p</blockquote>Wizard is not the best DPS class.  And won't come any where near a decent Assassin.  I'm sorry if you don't understand this yet.

[Skwor]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?</blockquote>All of the dps classes are the "best". Its the talent behind the keyboard that determines how well they perform in comparison. If one class were better than the rest then everyone would be playing that class.Now if you're really asking which dps class is the "easiest" to play.. well that is an entirely different question all together.</blockquote><p>The above is pure nonsense there is an obvious best DPS class and subclass. The current best DPS class are melee(scouts) the best subclass is assassin. A dev as posted that overall sorcerer and mage DPS IS unblanced and the DPS overall IS skewed towards melee. See posts by Naooni referencing Ilucide for further information.</p><p>Here is a good start for a link where Ilucide says these very things, <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=375&topic_id=419860" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=419860</a> see pages 25 thru 27. There are numerous other references to factually refute any further sillyness that ALL classes are best or that any other subclass other than the assassin is NOT the best DPS.</p><p>Next:</p><p><cite>thajoka wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?I'm an EQOA player, comin back to EQ2. =P </blockquote>ConfirmedPs. Apasserby...hit the space bar more often ;p</blockquote><p>The only thing confirmed is you are a sophist on this issue. Assassins easily beat wizards and all others. You have never shown any proof to the contrary. ALL you do is argue otherwise in what may be an attempt to influence the game mechanics to favor your current status as a very well geared wizard to limit other wizards ability to compete with you who have not obtained MOST of the TOP end gear.</p><p>The honest answer to an honest question is wizards are not the best DPS in fact they probably arn't even the best 2 DPSers in the game ATM and wizards are not on par with assassins, not even close. Assassins are easily the best DPS in the game at this time.</p>

[liveja]

<cite>YeldarbSpiritblade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hands down, no contest, not even close. Wizards and warlocks blow EVERYONE away solo. Seriously, I've seen wizards and warlocks solo stuff I have no hope in ever being able to come close. They are the top dog for solo. When our warlock used to sit at VP entrance and kill the heroic wurms there easily, without worry, and quickly, I lost ALL/ANY sympathy for wizards/warlocks. </p></blockquote><p>I'm pretty sure, though, that the people who are complaining about Wizzie/Warlock DPS aren't concerned with their ability to solo.</p><p>Beyond that, a well-equipped Illy or Coercer can easily solo anything a Wizzie/Warlock can.</p>

[Davngr1]

<cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?</blockquote>All of the dps classes are the "best". Its the talent behind the keyboard that determines how well they perform in comparison. If one class were better than the rest then everyone would be playing that class.Now if you're really asking which dps class is the "easiest" to play.. well that is an entirely different question all together.</blockquote><p>The above is pure nonsense there is an obvious best DPS class and subclass. The current best DPS class are melee(scouts) the best subclass is assassin. A dev as posted that overall sorcerer and mage DPS IS unblanced and the DPS overall IS skewed towards melee. See posts by Naooni referencing Ilucide for further information.</p><p>Here is a good start for a link where Ilucide says these very things, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=375&topic_id=419860" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=419860</a> see pages 25 thru 27. There are numerous other references to factually refute any further sillyness that ALL classes are best or that any other subclass other than the assassin is NOT the best DPS.</p><p>Next:</p><p><cite>thajoka wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?I'm an EQOA player, comin back to EQ2. =P </blockquote>ConfirmedPs. Apasserby...hit the space bar more often ;p</blockquote><p>The only thing confirmed is you are a sophist on this issue. Assassins easily beat wizards and all others. You have never shown any proof to the contrary. ALL you do is argue otherwise in what may be an attempt to influence the game mechanics to favor your current status as a very well geared wizard to limit other wizards ability to compete with you who have not obtained MOST of the TOP end gear.</p><p>The honest answer to an honest question is wizards are not the best DPS in fact they probably arn't even the best 2 DPSers in the game ATM and wizards are not on par with assassins, not even close. Assassins are easily the best DPS in the game at this time.</p></blockquote><p>yea.. if the wizard sucks        stop crying wizard class is JUST fine and they are in fact a top dps expecialy on mobs with heavy AOE.    necros are the [i like my little pony!!!] class that don't get invites to groups or raids.</p><p>  thre is no BEST dps class.   it's all depends on the encounter, your better off finding a class you like to play.  </p><p>** If you have to fiddle with the word for the forums to accept the post... DON'T USE THE WORD!!  Profanity is unacceptable.  Please don't do it again.  -- Kiara</p>

[Skwor]

<cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?</blockquote>All of the dps classes are the "best". Its the talent behind the keyboard that determines how well they perform in comparison. If one class were better than the rest then everyone would be playing that class.Now if you're really asking which dps class is the "easiest" to play.. well that is an entirely different question all together.</blockquote><p>The above is pure nonsense there is an obvious best DPS class and subclass. The current best DPS class are melee(scouts) the best subclass is assassin. A dev as posted that overall sorcerer and mage DPS IS unblanced and the DPS overall IS skewed towards melee. See posts by Naooni referencing Ilucide for further information.</p><p>Here is a good start for a link where Ilucide says these very things, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=375&topic_id=419860" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=419860</a> see pages 25 thru 27. There are numerous other references to factually refute any further sillyness that ALL classes are best or that any other subclass other than the assassin is NOT the best DPS.</p><p>Next:</p><p><cite>thajoka wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?I'm an EQOA player, comin back to EQ2. =P </blockquote>ConfirmedPs. Apasserby...hit the space bar more often ;p</blockquote><p>The only thing confirmed is you are a sophist on this issue. Assassins easily beat wizards and all others. You have never shown any proof to the contrary. ALL you do is argue otherwise in what may be an attempt to influence the game mechanics to favor your current status as a very well geared wizard to limit other wizards ability to compete with you who have not obtained MOST of the TOP end gear.</p><p>The honest answer to an honest question is wizards are not the best DPS in fact they probably arn't even the best 2 DPSers in the game ATM and wizards are not on par with assassins, not even close. Assassins are easily the best DPS in the game at this time.</p></blockquote><p>yea.. if the wizard sucks        stop crying wizard class is JUST fine and they are in fact a top dps expecialy on mobs with heavy AOE.    necros are the [I like my little pony!!!!] class that don't get invites to groups or raids.</p><p>  thre is no BEST dps class.   it's all depends on the encounter, your better off finding a class you like to play.  </p></blockquote><p>DO you even read the DEV's posts? Gee, you say I am wrong, I provide a link to support my statement, you fire back a "I say your wrong" and make no attempt to provide any evidence. You are angry because as a summoner your class is hurting, your desire is to bring wizards down to bring yourself up instead of trying to actually have your class brought up to where it belongs so you prefer to drag another down.</p><p>The overall wizard community saw a problem and a dev looked into it and has stated he sees a problem with both mages and sorceres (that includes wizards) yet to would only have SoE improve mages and even better maybe even nerf sorcerers, yes somehow you know better than everyone else...NICE. Play a wizard at raid before you so easily assume so much about us. As for sucking good luck trying to make the stick on those who believe as I do on this issue.</p>

[Windowlicker]

<cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm pretty sure, though, that the people who are complaining about Wizzie/Warlock DPS aren't concerned with their ability to solo.</p><p>Beyond that, a well-equipped Illy or Coercer can easily solo anything a Wizzie/Warlock can.</p></blockquote><p>Your 100% right.  We solo extremely well, and have never had a problem with it.</p><p>What the original poster should know, is that the reason any cloth DPS isn't coming anywhere near scouts currently is purely gear related.  You may be able to keep up with them *if* you have ultra-rare raid drops (Which don't hold your breath, you won't get them even within a year of grinding the zones in most cases).</p><p>On top of the ultra-rare raid drops, you also need extremely rare instance drops.  This, just to *keep up* with scouts.</p><p>Absolutely nothing in this game will currently touch an Assassin for single target DPS.  They will consistantly parse up to 2,000 damage on top of any other classtype at all times if whoever is playing the Assassin know's how his character works.</p>

[DragonMaster2385]

From a raiding perspective, you are probably looking at wiz, ranger, and assassin fighting for the top spot.  That is, in single target encounters.  For multi mobbed encounters, it is a bit different.  There have been several times that I (conj) have topped parses in multi mobed encounters, but a warlock should easily beat me in those situations.  However, there aren't that many multi mobbed encounters in T8, but I'm sure that will change with TSO since so many people complained about it.

[Windowlicker]

<cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>yea.. if the wizard sucks        stop crying wizard class is JUST fine and they are in fact a top dps expecialy on mobs with heavy AOE.    necros are the [I like my little pony!!!] class that don't get invites to groups or raids.</blockquote><p>Just so you know, Wizards are single target DPS with some minor AOE.  They are the polar opposite to "heavy AOE".  </p><p>I'm sure you knew that though.</p>

[DragonMaster2385]

<cite></cite><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>yea.. if the wizard sucks        stop crying wizard class is JUST fine and they are in fact a top dps expecialy on mobs with heavy AOE.    necros are the [I like my little pony!!!] class that don't get invites to groups or raids.</blockquote>What do you mean necros don't get invites to groups or raids?  That is the craziest thing I have ever heard.  If you play a necro and can't get invited, it has nothing to do with the class that you picked.  Groups and raids (especially raids) love BOTH summoners for the mana regen items.  Especially fights like VS when you have to keep mana from dropping too low or the whole raid wipes.  Of course I'm biased and I like conjurors better than necros, but neither one of them are hated to the point of not being wanted.You want to hear a class that has it rough for raids?  Try a SK.  They have decent DPS, but not better than a true DPS class.  They can tank, but not better or equal to any other plate tank.  They are in the middle of the field and have a hard time finding an appropriate place in a raid.  They <i>may</i> off tank, but an equally geared Pally would be picked over a SK.

[thajo]

<cite>Zahne@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>thajoka wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?I'm an EQOA player, comin back to EQ2. =P </blockquote>ConfirmedPs. Apasserby...hit the space bar more often ;p</blockquote>Wizard is not the best DPS class.  And won't come any where near a decent Assassin.  I'm sorry if you don't understand this yet.</blockquote>I only came in 2nd on the parse last night while slacking to no end, not using crit scrolls and potions, and offering up TC to the necro cause im a nice guy.  Was kind of annoying that I had to physically cancel the buff to get the illy to swap it though.I say hit the buttons faster

[YeldarbSpiritbla]

<cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The above is pure nonsense there is an obvious best DPS class and subclass. The current best DPS class are melee(scouts) the best subclass is assassin. A dev as posted that overall sorcerer and mage DPS IS unblanced and the DPS overall IS skewed towards melee. See posts by Naooni referencing Ilucide for further information.</p><p>Here is a good start for a link where Ilucide says these very things, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=375&topic_id=419860" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=419860</a> see pages 25 thru 27. There are numerous other references to factually refute any further sillyness that ALL classes are best or that any other subclass other than the assassin is NOT the best DPS.</p></blockquote><p>yea.. if the wizard sucks        stop crying wizard class is JUST fine and they are in fact a top dps expecialy on mobs with heavy AOE.    necros are the [I like my little pony!!!] class that don't get invites to groups or raids.</p><p>  thre is no BEST dps class.   it's all depends on the encounter, your better off finding a class you like to play.  </p></blockquote><p>DO you even read the DEV's posts? Gee, you say I am wrong, I provide a link to support my statement, you fire back a "I say your wrong" and make no attempt to provide any evidence. You are angry because as a summoner your class is hurting, your desire is to bring wizards down to bring yourself up instead of trying to actually have your class brought up to where it belongs so you prefer to drag another down.</p><p>The overall wizard community saw a problem and a dev looked into it and has stated he sees a problem with both mages and sorceres (that includes wizards) yet to would only have SoE improve mages and even better maybe even nerf sorcerers, yes somehow you know better than everyone else...NICE. Play a wizard at raid before you so easily assume so much about us. As for sucking good luck trying to make the stick on those who believe as I do on this issue.</p></blockquote>Ummm, your link must be broken, because there are NO dev posts, no parses, no numbers, and not even a damage analysis. Just several (even though you "claimed" your proof was in those 3 pages) pages of players, I'll assume wizards/warlocks, whining about how they suck. Sorry, but SoE devs can't fix players.

[Soulforged_Unre]

<cite>YeldarbSpiritblade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Here's the truth, because everyone "thinks" the other guy is better, and there are so many horrible players in this game now.</p><p>In raids:</p><p>The ranger, assassin, wizard and illusionist consistently fight for first place on the parse. We don't have a warlock any more, but when we did, he was in that as well. Most usually, the ranger will win, and the assassin, with the wizard less often, but he usually doesn't hit as quickly to draw agro.</p><p>A LOT of parses in raids is so dependent on group makeup, that with the right groups and mob makeup, you could even have a swashbuckler on top of the parse. But given the right groups, good players, with good equipment, ranger, assassin, and wizard will be the top three, in any order. Just remember that the scouts have more de-agros, and more mitigation, so if they pull agro, they are more likely to live through it. If a wizard pulls agro, he's dead.</p><p>For all the wizards that are in the game though, I've noticed very few are very good. You can't throw a gnome without hitting a wizard, but you could look all day without finding a good one. We've tried out several wizards with epics and great gear, and let's just say in every case, they are less than desirable. Our current wizard has no problem keeping up with the rest, but in most cases, you'll find more whiners than actual players.</p><p>In groups:</p><p>The ranger, assassin, and illusionist will usually be on top for groups. Wizards and warlocks have the potential, but heroic fights are so fast, and stuff dies so quickly, a wizard barely has time to cast anything. Then, if he gets a resist, then forget the parse for that fight. They do very well compared to the other classes, but among the real dps'ers in a group, the wizard/warlock will probably not hit number 1 very often.</p><p>Solo:</p><p>Hands down, no contest, not even close. Wizards and warlocks blow EVERYONE away solo. Seriously, I've seen wizards and warlocks solo stuff I have no hope in ever being able to come close. They are the top dog for solo. When our warlock used to sit at VP entrance and kill the heroic wurms there easily, without worry, and quickly, I lost ALL/ANY sympathy for wizards/warlocks. </p><p>Rangers can solo, but he better have a lot of room, and he can't make any mistakes. It's really tough for a ranger to recover, and forget the multiple heroic mobs. <u><b>Assassins can barely solo solo mobs 1 level higher, let alone multiple heroic mobs</b></u>. Wizards/warlocks decimate solo.</p></blockquote>I agree with pretty much everything that you posted, except for the bolded/underlined part. My assassin can solo heroic mobs as long as the mob doesn't have a ranged attack. It just takes longer for them to kill it than a ranger, by having less ranged CA's, and only one ranged CA that isn't positionalAs well, get vitality breach, some health draining procs, and stunning poison, and dealing with any solo mobs is trivial.

[Davngr1]

<cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?</blockquote>All of the dps classes are the "best". Its the talent behind the keyboard that determines how well they perform in comparison. If one class were better than the rest then everyone would be playing that class.Now if you're really asking which dps class is the "easiest" to play.. well that is an entirely different question all together.</blockquote><p>The above is pure nonsense there is an obvious best DPS class and subclass. The current best DPS class are melee(scouts) the best subclass is assassin. A dev as posted that overall sorcerer and mage DPS IS unblanced and the DPS overall IS skewed towards melee. See posts by Naooni referencing Ilucide for further information.</p><p>Here is a good start for a link where Ilucide says these very things, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=375&topic_id=419860" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=419860</a> see pages 25 thru 27. There are numerous other references to factually refute any further sillyness that ALL classes are best or that any other subclass other than the assassin is NOT the best DPS.</p><p>Next:</p><p><cite>thajoka wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?I'm an EQOA player, comin back to EQ2. =P </blockquote>ConfirmedPs. Apasserby...hit the space bar more often ;p</blockquote><p>The only thing confirmed is you are a sophist on this issue. Assassins easily beat wizards and all others. You have never shown any proof to the contrary. ALL you do is argue otherwise in what may be an attempt to influence the game mechanics to favor your current status as a very well geared wizard to limit other wizards ability to compete with you who have not obtained MOST of the TOP end gear.</p><p>The honest answer to an honest question is wizards are not the best DPS in fact they probably arn't even the best 2 DPSers in the game ATM and wizards are not on par with assassins, not even close. Assassins are easily the best DPS in the game at this time.</p></blockquote><p>yea.. if the wizard sucks        stop crying wizard class is JUST fine and they are in fact a top dps expecialy on mobs with heavy AOE.    necros are the [I like my little pony!!!!] class that don't get invites to groups or raids.</p><p>  thre is no BEST dps class.   it's all depends on the encounter, your better off finding a class you like to play.  </p></blockquote><p>DO you even read the DEV's posts? Gee, you say I am wrong, I provide a link to support my statement, you fire back a "I say your wrong" and make no attempt to provide any evidence. You are angry because as a summoner your class is hurting, your desire is to bring wizards down to bring yourself up instead of trying to actually have your class brought up to where it belongs so you prefer to drag another down.</p><p>The overall wizard community saw a problem and a dev looked into it and has stated he sees a problem with both mages and sorceres (that includes wizards) yet to would only have SoE improve mages and even better maybe even nerf sorcerers, yes somehow you know better than everyone else...NICE. Play a wizard at raid before you so easily assume so much about us. As for sucking good luck trying to make the stick on those who believe as I do on this issue.</p></blockquote><p>ROTF  the only thing i see is the same 4 sorc crying about needing buffs   WHEN ALL CLASSES NEED BUFFS...  DUH!</p><p>the only broken class is summoner  that's it..  i see wizards top parse ALL the time..   </p><p>   <span style="font-size: large;">it's true i do love my lil ponny!</span></p>

[thajo]

Yeah wizards are plenty close to assassins and can beat them on plenty of parses.  I've even posted plenty of parses in the past.  Not even hard evidence changes minds here.

[Skwor]

<cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?</blockquote>All of the dps classes are the "best". Its the talent behind the keyboard that determines how well they perform in comparison. If one class were better than the rest then everyone would be playing that class.Now if you're really asking which dps class is the "easiest" to play.. well that is an entirely different question all together.</blockquote><p>The above is pure nonsense there is an obvious best DPS class and subclass. The current best DPS class are melee(scouts) the best subclass is assassin. A dev as posted that overall sorcerer and mage DPS IS unblanced and the DPS overall IS skewed towards melee. See posts by Naooni referencing Ilucide for further information.</p><p>Here is a good start for a link where Ilucide says these very things, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=375&topic_id=419860" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=419860</a> see pages 25 thru 27. There are numerous other references to factually refute any further sillyness that ALL classes are best or that any other subclass other than the assassin is NOT the best DPS.</p><p>Next:</p><p><cite>thajoka wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite>Crypto1990 wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's the best DPS class? I'm assuming wizard?I'm an EQOA player, comin back to EQ2. =P </blockquote>ConfirmedPs. Apasserby...hit the space bar more often ;p</blockquote><p>The only thing confirmed is you are a sophist on this issue. Assassins easily beat wizards and all others. You have never shown any proof to the contrary. ALL you do is argue otherwise in what may be an attempt to influence the game mechanics to favor your current status as a very well geared wizard to limit other wizards ability to compete with you who have not obtained MOST of the TOP end gear.</p><p>The honest answer to an honest question is wizards are not the best DPS in fact they probably arn't even the best 2 DPSers in the game ATM and wizards are not on par with assassins, not even close. Assassins are easily the best DPS in the game at this time.</p></blockquote><p>yea.. if the wizard sucks        stop crying wizard class is JUST fine and they are in fact a top dps expecialy on mobs with heavy AOE.    necros are the [I like my little pony!!!!] class that don't get invites to groups or raids.</p><p>  thre is no BEST dps class.   it's all depends on the encounter, your better off finding a class you like to play.  </p></blockquote><p>DO you even read the DEV's posts? Gee, you say I am wrong, I provide a link to support my statement, you fire back a "I say your wrong" and make no attempt to provide any evidence. You are angry because as a summoner your class is hurting, your desire is to bring wizards down to bring yourself up instead of trying to actually have your class brought up to where it belongs so you prefer to drag another down.</p><p>The overall wizard community saw a problem and a dev looked into it and has stated he sees a problem with both mages and sorceres (that includes wizards) yet to would only have SoE improve mages and even better maybe even nerf sorcerers, yes somehow you know better than everyone else...NICE. Play a wizard at raid before you so easily assume so much about us. As for sucking good luck trying to make the stick on those who believe as I do on this issue.</p></blockquote><p>ROTF  the only thing i see is the same 4 sorc crying about needing buffs   WHEN ALL CLASSES NEED BUFFS...  DUH!</p><p>the only broken class is summoner  that's it..  i see wizards top parse ALL the time..   </p><p>   <span style="font-size: large;">it's true i do love my lil ponny!</span></p></blockquote><p>Page 26 fourth post down by Fendaria who says</p><p><cite>Fendaria wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite><span style="color: #ff0000;">Ilucide wrote:</span></cite><blockquote>Popping in to say that, in fact, yes, I did say that. Just in case it's questioned. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Really based on all the data I've seen, melee/caster dps is actually pretty well balanced until epics and very high-end loot get taken into account. There are absolutely gear choices that will improve a caster's damage potential greatly, but they're pretty rare and far-between (BT Choker, Wicked Wand of Malice, etc). Balance isn't something that we can turn on and off - it's a constant sliding scale with new variables being added all the time. It's not just balance-by-numbers, it's also balance-by-perception. Viewpoints based on previous game mechanic knowledge are very hard to shift, and it takes time. Sometimes the balance skews proportionally higher in one direction than originally intended, just because of perceptions, and trying to change them for classes for the better. (Illusionists and Coercers are a pretty prime example of this.)Balance also isn't just your own class numbers, it's the content as well - the creatures your fighting, the numbers they come in, and the abilities they have. Do melee have to joust AEs? Are there enough critters to effectively AE? Pretty complicated all things considered. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>I am hoping during the beta testing this is something you can turn 'on and off'.  Its an excellet opportunity for data mining just this type of information. Give everyone max gear and let them raid.  See what the numbers are.  Give them weaker gear, see what the numbers are.  Compare this to what you expect.  Change some buffs and debuffs.  Check the numbers again.   And please don't just balance for raids.  Get some DPS numbers for heroic dungeon runs too. As for viewpoints, there is one big viewpoint most people use (especially in this thread).  DPS comparisons of the same content; named mobs, zonewide, and I expect with TSO a new 'dungeon run' DPS. Fendaria </blockquote><p> Page 23 you can find this</p><p><cite>Noaani wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>simpwrx02 wrote:</cite> <blockquote>Yeah I htink the majority of complaints are mainly gear related tbh, I mean how many pieces of fabled gear did you say oo look that is an upgrade for DPS over the legendary items, before you got to VP+.</blockquote><p>Theres a ring in SoH off of one of the earlier names. I saw it and was like "hey, thats the best mage ring in the game, its on par with the plate gloves and chain hat for healers from one of the easy SoH names, thats cool".</p><p>Then I looked closer at it, and see that its healer only...</p><p>So, instead of having the ring that would be actually useful, we get to transmute it since all the healers that would want it have it.</p><p>Another one of those "we hate mages" moments, bought to you by the folks at SoE!</p></blockquote>Or it could be, that it's so good for mages because it's only for healers?  Oh, wait what's that you say.  That a piece of loot looks overpowered for mages because mages can't use it.</blockquote><p>So, I asked Ilucide about resists and mage DPS a few weeks ago, and he basically said he is unable to say anything until Fan Faire. So, since we had not heard anything, I asked him again a few days ago, and this is what he said...</p><cite><span style="color: #ff0000;">Ilucide wrote:</span></cite> <blockquote><p>So, there's a long answer, which I don't really have a whole lot of spare time to devote to right now, and a short answer.The short answer is that yes, we're looking at the balance between melee DPS & caster DPS. When the raid mob mitigation went in, it did equalize melee/caster dps. However, what folks at that time forgot to take into account was that melee itemization scaled much better that caster itemization. So now the balance is skewed the other way. Overall balance is never a 'finished' product, because new content will always introduce new variables. So some things will be addressed with the new achievements (which is the part that I couldn't really talk about, because we had a moritorium on talking about expansion related subjects), and some will be addressed through content & itemization (again, expansion related subjects!).Yep, we're looking into it. Summoners will see love through items that better increase the power of their pets (as was discussed at FF on the gameplay panel), and sorcerers, well, I'm sure we'll figure out something. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote><p>So, I don't think making the above ring mage useable would be a particularly bad thing, when it is mage gear that is what is letting us down atm (and I also do not expect it to happen).</p><p>Anyways, with the above, I am fairly happy to say I will wait and see what happens in TSO. I am a bit disapointed that we need to spend achievement points to get us to where we should already be, but honestly I am not supprised.</p></blockquote><p>Gratz on the epic fail, see the part in <span style="color: #ff0000;">RED</span>, sure looks like a dev quote to me. You are obviuosly a bitter spiteful person. By the way I see summoners top the parse, well at least good ones but I can see you wouldn't know about that as you obviously can't top a parse as evidenced by your bitterness. A good place for it is the fight in PR just before the last named where they(summoners, conjie at least) own due to the ae's they have. /sarc on.. So by your logic I am offically going on record asking that summoners be nerfed as I see them top a parse and therefor no issues. In fact they must just be overpowered. The best solo'r I know is a necro who can eat instances solo for breakfast, obviously wayyy overpowered. /sarc off</p><p>So SOE sees a probelm with both subclasses but you somehow know better than the dev and most wizards who play the class. The list of these wizards includes some very respected names one being Daray himself who has a sticky thread that is the definative wizard playing guide. However we should accept your judgement becuase you can't beat a wizard in your guild?..by the way your not supposed to be able to on single targets. So you come here shouting for wizards to be nerfed and only summoners get fixed, that Sir is being a jerk and blindly unfair.</p>

[Skwor]

<cite>thajoka wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah wizards are plenty close to assassins and can beat them on plenty of parses.  I've even posted plenty of parses in the past.  Not even hard evidence changes minds here.</blockquote><p>PROVE IT </p><p>How about a link to where this is on these forums please? I have asked several times now and you HAVE NOT provided a parse link that shows you have the highest DPS in all norrath let alone a parse link showing your numbers beat an assassins.</p><p>Also you keep saying "wizards" when you know what you really mean is a "wizard" who has nearly all or all of the RARE top end raid zone gear. Pound for Pound, gear for gear prior to having all the best gear cloth DPS is lagging (again this point has been confirmed by SOE) in how the gear scales up and currently the skew favors melee DPS over caster DPS becuase SOE did not take itemization into account (again this is directly from a dev).</p><p>So let us see this hard evidence where "WIZARDS" beat ASSASSINS, not just where YOU with most if not all the rare high end gear can compete. Balance is not solely based on the top .1% of the player base, just like the dev said is is a consideration of a lot of things, one ooof those is balance across the tiers and the equivelant gear avaiable to the classes in each tier.</p><p>Base balance on only the .1% of the player base and SOE will have only that many players in the game in the future.</p>

[YeldarbSpiritbla]

<p>Nice, owned yourself with your own proof. </p><p>Dev says, yes, they are balanced, we just need to change some loot. I hereby enter exhibit A, dev posted by Skwor that they ARE indeed balanced and just need some loot changes. Thanks Skwor, thanks for proving that wizards are indeed crybabies.</p>

[TwistedFaith]

I dont care what anyone says, if you want to be the best/highest dps then role an assasin and get your mythical. Assasins are one of the developers pet classes at the moment, with the Aeralik (developer) playing one himself and as everyone  knows they never get left out of anything.Looking at the TSO AA tree's leaked at eq2flames nothing is going to change with some insane dps boost yet again for the assasin class. I raid pretty highend and I see parses from assasins around 12/15k dps. This is on trash of course but even on named where it counts most assasins are still insane dps. Their mythical is a borderline crazy overpowered and judging from what I know of TSO nothing is going to change.

[quamdar]

<cite>Diknak@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>yea.. if the wizard sucks        stop crying wizard class is JUST fine and they are in fact a top dps expecialy on mobs with heavy AOE.    necros are the [I like my little pony!!!] class that don't get invites to groups or raids.</blockquote>What do you mean necros don't get invites to groups or raids?  That is the craziest thing I have ever heard.  If you play a necro and can't get invited, it has nothing to do with the class that you picked.  Groups and raids (especially raids) love BOTH summoners for the mana regen items.  Especially fights like VS when you have to keep mana from dropping too low or the whole raid wipes.  Of course I'm biased and I like conjurors better than necros, but neither one of them are hated to the point of not being wanted.You want to hear a class that has it rough for raids?  Try a SK.  They have decent DPS, but not better than a true DPS class.  They can tank, but not better or equal to any other plate tank.  They are in the middle of the field and have a hard time finding an appropriate place in a raid.  They <i>may</i> off tank, but an equally geared Pally would be picked over a SK.</blockquote><p>LOL.  only time i have cast a heart in the past couple months was before AoHate when one person asked for one and on EFP docks when some person i didn't know asked for one.  hearts/shards are near useless right now with all the other mana regen from other classes.  i do agree currently SKs have it worst than necros though.</p><p>to the OP, definitely assassins.</p>

[Spyderbite]

<cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont care what anyone says, if you want to be the best/highest dps then role an assasin <b>and get your mythical</b>. </blockquote>This assumes the OP was talking about "End Game" and correct me if I mis-read, but I don't believe End Game was brought up and that it was a general question about DPS classes in general.I'm still going to go with my Talent > Class Selection opinion. I've seen some terrible assassins played by veteran players and some stellar players pull out more DPS with a "This class sucks in DPS" choices. Suggesting that one class is better than another does nothing more than promote the idea that people should roll a class for better DPS and setting themselves up to disappoint themselves and/or their raid/group.

[Soulforged_Unre]

<cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont care what anyone says, if you want to be the best/highest dps then role an assasin and get your mythical. Assasins are one of the developers pet classes at the moment, with the Aeralik (developer) playing one himself and as everyone  knows they never get left out of anything.Looking at the TSO AA tree's leaked at eq2flames nothing is going to change with some insane dps boost yet again for the assasin class. I raid pretty highend and I see parses from assasins around 12/15k dps. This is on trash of course but even on named where it counts most assasins are still insane dps. Their mythical is a borderline crazy overpowered and judging from what I know of TSO nothing is going to change.</blockquote>To be absolutely honest, someone who is arguing about dps and doesn't realize that individual encounter parses mean absolutely nothing (unless your entire raid waits for all your cooldowns to come back up inbetween every pull) andthat zonewides are the only real way to measure a dps players skill should just be ignored.Sure, an assassin can spike in the 10k range. But so can a ranger, and so can a wizard, just have the raid wait until everyone's cooldowns are over in-between,  doing so would make any trash fight last less than twenty seconds, and use all your biggest hitting abilities.In short: Someone arguing about single spike encounter dps numbers as identifiable when a class is severely OP doesn't understand the subject at hand.P.S.: Not saying assassin's aren't #1 for "general" dps at the moment, but I'm also not saying they're so severely OP that everyone seems to think.

[Khurghan]

<cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>thajoka wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah wizards are plenty close to assassins and can beat them on plenty of parses.  I've even posted plenty of parses in the past.  Not even hard evidence changes minds here.</blockquote><p>PROVE IT </p><p>How about a link to where this is on these forums please? I have asked several times now and you HAVE NOT provided a parse link that shows you have the highest DPS in all norrath let alone a parse link showing your numbers beat an assassins.</p><p>Also you keep saying "wizards" when you know what you really mean is a "wizard" who has nearly all or all of the RARE top end raid zone gear. Pound for Pound, gear for gear prior to having all the best gear cloth DPS is lagging (again this point has been confirmed by SOE) in how the gear scales up and currently the skew favors melee DPS over caster DPS becuase SOE did not take itemization into account (again this is directly from a dev).</p><p>So let us see this hard evidence where "WIZARDS" beat ASSASSINS, not just where YOU with most if not all the rare high end gear can compete. Balance is not solely based on the top .1% of the player base, just like the dev said is is a consideration of a lot of things, one ooof those is balance across the tiers and the equivelant gear avaiable to the classes in each tier.</p><p>Base balance on only the .1% of the player base and SOE will have only that many players in the game in the future.</p></blockquote>Last time I checked the thread was titled "Best DPS?" not "I raid 3 times a week and my guild is in T1/T2/T3VP/Trak, what's the best DPS?"

[Rocc]

We all know that Templars are the best DPS class in game.

[TwistedFaith]

<cite>Soulforged_Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont care what anyone says, if you want to be the best/highest dps then role an assasin and get your mythical. Assasins are one of the developers pet classes at the moment, with the Aeralik (developer) playing one himself and as everyone  knows they never get left out of anything.Looking at the TSO AA tree's leaked at eq2flames nothing is going to change with some insane dps boost yet again for the assasin class. I raid pretty highend and I see parses from assasins around 12/15k dps. This is on trash of course but even on named where it counts most assasins are still insane dps. Their mythical is a borderline crazy overpowered and judging from what I know of TSO nothing is going to change.</blockquote>To be absolutely honest, someone who is arguing about dps and doesn't realize that individual encounter parses mean absolutely nothing (unless your entire raid waits for all your cooldowns to come back up inbetween every pull) andthat zonewides are the only real way to measure a dps players skill should just be ignored.Sure, an assassin can spike in the 10k range. But so can a ranger, and so can a wizard, just have the raid wait until everyone's cooldowns are over in-between,  doing so would make any trash fight last less than twenty seconds, and use all your biggest hitting abilities.In short: Someone arguing about single spike encounter dps numbers as identifiable when a class is severely OP doesn't understand the subject at hand.P.S.: Not saying assassin's aren't #1 for "general" dps at the moment, but I'm also not saying they're so severely OP that everyone seems to think.</blockquote>Asssasins can spike way over 10k and far more often than other classes. Everything being equal in terms of gear/skill/group setup assasins are easily number 1 dps. You can argue semantics, the trash may not count to you but it counts on the zonewide.

[Noaani]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont care what anyone says, if you want to be the best/highest dps then role an assasin <b>and get your mythical</b>. </blockquote>This assumes the OP was talking about "End Game" and correct me if I mis-read, but I don't believe End Game was brought up and that it was a general question about DPS classes in general.I'm still going to go with my Talent > Class Selection opinion. I've seen some terrible assassins played by veteran players and some stellar players pull out more DPS with a "This class sucks in DPS" choices. Suggesting that one class is better than another does nothing more than promote the idea that people should roll a class for better DPS and setting themselves up to disappoint themselves and/or their raid/group.</blockquote><p>Assassins will absolutly own any heroic instance parse unless faced with a T1 DPS with much better gear than them. basically, assassins are absolut top DPS in this game right now.</p><p>Just because you work for Zam doesn't mean you know anything about this game, and trying to argue that assassins are not top reguardless of player skill (assassins in PvE do not require any skill) simply proves that fact. Move along.</p>

[Skwor]

<cite>Khurghan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>thajoka wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah wizards are plenty close to assassins and can beat them on plenty of parses.  I've even posted plenty of parses in the past.  Not even hard evidence changes minds here.</blockquote><p>PROVE IT </p><p>How about a link to where this is on these forums please? I have asked several times now and you HAVE NOT provided a parse link that shows you have the highest DPS in all norrath let alone a parse link showing your numbers beat an assassins.</p><p>Also you keep saying "wizards" when you know what you really mean is a "wizard" who has nearly all or all of the RARE top end raid zone gear. Pound for Pound, gear for gear prior to having all the best gear cloth DPS is lagging (again this point has been confirmed by SOE) in how the gear scales up and currently the skew favors melee DPS over caster DPS becuase SOE did not take itemization into account (again this is directly from a dev).</p><p>So let us see this hard evidence where "WIZARDS" beat ASSASSINS, not just where YOU with most if not all the rare high end gear can compete. Balance is not solely based on the top .1% of the player base, just like the dev said is is a consideration of a lot of things, one ooof those is balance across the tiers and the equivelant gear avaiable to the classes in each tier.</p><p>Base balance on only the .1% of the player base and SOE will have only that many players in the game in the future.</p></blockquote><b><u>Last time I checked the thread was titled "Best DPS?" not "I raid 3 times a week and my guild is in T1/T2/T3VP/Trak, what's the best DPS?"</u></b></blockquote><p>I agree and the best DPS IS a raider who raids all those zone and has the top end gear. SO I have answered the question who is the BEST DPS. You have a hole in yourr logic to somehow say BEST DPS means something toher than all the factors stated. </p><p>The thread is titled what is the BEST DPS, not what is the best DPS in all other situations than the top end game. Just asking what is the best dps IMPLIES THE ABSOLUTE BEST, NOT SOME RELATIVE BEST DPS IN SOME UNSPECIFIED SITUATION. I therefor have answered the question more effectively than you understand the question.</p><p>What is your justification in saying the question "what is the best dps" should be answered any differently? How is it you assume the question implies something other than the absolute best dps in the game?</p>