Right Now! mentality

[erin]

I'm sure we've all run into this.  You get a tell from someone while you are out in the field (maybe adventuring, maybe harvesting, doesn't matter) "hey can you make <insert item here> for me?"When I tell them that I can, but I'm in the middle of stuff so if they mail it to me they can have it within 24 hours, they almost invariably go away.Its not because they don't trust me, its often someone I've done business with before.What's with the "I must have it NOW NOW NOW!" mentality?  Is one day really too long to wait?  The odds are you will still be looking for a crafter tomorrow!

[Bozidar]

<p>Unless you live on a low population server, chances are they'll find a crafter sooner than tomorrow.</p><p>which is fine with me, if it's a big enough order to be worth my while i'll come back for it, otherwise i dont like doing the nickle and dime stuff.</p>

[dirtymeat80]

I'm forgetful.  If I can't have it now, tomorrow I'll be looking at something else shiny.

[Killerbee3000]

<p>leveling a crafter is easy and fast, so easy and fast in fact that many have multiple crafters and since they got rid of subcombines its also faster to make something from scratch you didnt plan to make. </p><p>there is just no reason to wait for a crafter to have time, there are simply too many.</p>

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

I face the same issue. Sometimes I am busy raiding, sometimes I just don't feel like taking time out to meet them where they want me to meet and crafting 5 things for them RIGHT NOW. I offer them to send it by mail and I'll do it a bit later, and 99% of the time they go find someone else.

[Cele]

<p>Happens a lot.  This weekend, a guildie and I were getting help finally getting our cloak of flames (was oldest quest in my book, from July of last year)</p><p>Some fool I didn't even know was bombing me with tells wanting me to come craft some faction drinks for him. Right now. REALLY?!?!?  SERIOUSLY?!?!?</p><p>There are a bazillion of those things on the broker at very reasonable prices, so reasonable in fact, I dont cook for profit any longer, just when a guildie wants something.</p><p>When I told him I was not coming up from Sol Ro (which I hate with a  passion) to make a stack of drinks, he made some snide comment about how I must buy my plat since I didn't need to make it crafting.</p><p>POOF, welcome to ignore, fool.</p>

[Calthine]

I remember some fellah who wanted something made.  I quoted my usual, which was pretty standard for the server and not a hevkuva lot of markup.  He argued he could get it done for less.  I told him that was fine, he was welcome to do so, but I wasn't changing my price.He argued and sent me tells for 20 minutes.  I finally put him on ignore.  'Bout the only thing I'll come in from the boonies for (if I'm not deeply involved in something) is a Puddin' Part.

[Kordran]

<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote>leveling a crafter is easy and fast, so easy and fast in fact that many have multiple crafters and since they got rid of subcombines its also faster to make something from scratch you didnt plan to make. </blockquote><p>Some crafters. Crafting isn't difficult per se, and it never really was -- subcombines were nothing but forced interdependency, and pure unadulterated suckage. In any case, I wouldn't call leveling up an armorer today "fast". And if you harvest your own raws, it drops from slow to very slow once you factor in that time. And because armorers use the most desired raws for most tiers (hard metal, roots, leather) if you do buy them off the broker, you'd best have a lot of plat you're willing to sink into it because that tradeskill chews through them like you would not believe.</p>

[Rocc]

<p>LOL good question. Sometimes when someone comes of age to get new gear or spells, they're just too excited to wait. I know when I got my new fae zerker to 72, I just couldnt wait to grab some new mitigation gear. So what did I do?</p><p>/who all (crafter)</p><p>I just sent tells till someone was able to hook me up. Impatient yes, but in the end I finally got what I wanted. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>If you priced your gear on the broker with a reasonable profit, perhaps this would eliminate the need to send tells. Final thoughts.... (as Jerry Spriger might say) where there's a will, there's a way!</p>

[Cele]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>'Bout the only thing I'll come in from the boonies for (if I'm not deeply involved in something) is a Puddin' Part.</blockquote>Very, very true.  In lots of cases, I will come back to help with Puddin.  Not all, but lots.

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">With me it's paranoia  of sending something valuable to someone I only know the name of. </span>

[Spyderbite]

Not an issue for me. I'm in a very large guild so if I'm unable to make something for somebody at that moment, there is inevitably somebody else online who can. The flip side is true too.. if I need something made, I usually plan ahead and am farming for the next tier anyways, but there is almost always somebody around who can whip it together for me.I don't take orders from non-guildies unless they're friends of mine *waves at Rijacki*. So, this is rarely an issue for me anyways.

[Liyle]

I almost always ask for mail if I am busy and can't do it right now. In 20 minutes I won't remember what it was or who it was for. My home mailbox is right beside my workstation and my brokerboard so I can pop up the list. make the stuff and mail it straight back.If they can't wait I just assume I'm one of several on their list and go on about my business. If they get rude or pushy, Ignore is but a click away. I've never made a copper in game that put one penny against my mortgage or my car payment. People who act like they are actually paying me real money to make real stuff are annoying at best, delusional at worst.

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>leveling a crafter is easy and fast, so easy and fast in fact that many have multiple crafters and since they got rid of subcombines its also faster to make something from scratch you didnt plan to make. </p><p>there is just no reason to wait for a crafter to have time, there are simply too many.</p></blockquote>My standard reply to anyone who complains about what I charge or bugs me to DO IT NOW OR ELSE (I don't have that happen though) is It is so easy I'm sure you will be able to level up your own crafter by tomorrow and make it yourself. Oh but you hate crafting so much? Then isn't my ability and willingness to craft worth something to you? ... I should macro that hehe.  People say that but there are still not very many people on my server who can make mannequins and AA mirrors, and almost no one else who still plays has the porting flower recipe. I don't care if there are, pay my prices, have it made when I am available, or don't. I certainly don't make my income from custom orders, I get very few despite almost always having 3 crafters logged in with LFW up.

[Kordran]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">With me it's paranoia  of sending something valuable to someone I only know the name of. </span></blockquote><p>Understandable, if you're talking to a relatively low-level, unguilded crafter. But if you have someone who's taken the time to level up to 70+ in a tradeskill, it's very unlikely that they're going to rip you off. Here's a tip that I actually got from a GM: If you're suspicious about the person that you're sending the rares to, detail in your mail to them what you want done, etc. and then do a /report after you've sent it. If you do have a problem, contact a GM and tell them that you think you've been scammed, and that you created a report after you sent the mail, so it should be easy for them to track down. They'll know what you've sent, when you've sent it, and whether the other person has received it or not.</p><p>Edit: If you send rares to a crafter, they may ask you to wait a week for the crafter to send back your items (at least, that's what happened in my particular case) before they'll intervene.</p>

[Oxie]

<cite>Zehl_Ice-Fire wrote:</cite><blockquote>I face the same issue. Sometimes I am busy CYBORING, sometimes I just don't feel like taking time out to meet them where they want me to meet and crafting 5 things for them RIGHT NOW. I offer them to send it by mail and I'll do it a bit later, and 99% of the time they go find someone else.</blockquote><p>Fixed it for ya, Zehl.</p><p>/ducks and evacs</p>

[Jesdyr]

<cite>Ruckus@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Fixed it for ya, Zehl.<p>/ducks and evacs</p></blockquote>Who needs to play the game ... Unrest 70-79 chat on a forum near you !

[Amphibia]

To me, this is very simple:If someone must have something RIGHT NOW!!!, and I'm busy.... well, then they can go find someone who can make it RIGHT NOW!!! elsewhere.

[Lodrelhai]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>I remember some fellah who wanted something made.  I quoted my usual, which was pretty standard for the server and not a hevkuva lot of markup.  He argued he could get it done for less.  I told him that was fine, he was welcome to do so, but I wasn't changing my price.He argued and sent me tells for 20 minutes.  I finally put him on ignore.  'Bout the only thing I'll come in from the boonies for (if I'm not deeply involved in something) is a Puddin' Part.</blockquote>Isn't it amazing that the less they're willing to pay for it, the more they'll harass you over it?My favorite was a guy who wanted my guild leader to leave the group and make him a bunch of MC furniture - without even supplying the rares.  And his offering?  A handful of LoN raid cards.  And he was shocked that my GL didn't immediately drop the rest of us to go make it for him.

[Meirril]

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>I remember some fellah who wanted something made.  I quoted my usual, which was pretty standard for the server and not a hevkuva lot of markup.  He argued he could get it done for less.  I told him that was fine, he was welcome to do so, but I wasn't changing my price.He argued and sent me tells for 20 minutes.  I finally put him on ignore.  'Bout the only thing I'll come in from the boonies for (if I'm not deeply involved in something) is a Puddin' Part.</blockquote>Isn't it amazing that the less they're willing to pay for it, the more they'll harass you over it?My favorite was a guy who wanted my guild leader to leave the group and make him a bunch of MC furniture - without even supplying the rares.  And his offering?  A handful of LoN raid cards.  And he was shocked that my GL didn't immediately drop the rest of us to go make it for him.</blockquote><p>I wouldn't drop a pickup group of people I can tolerate for a crafting job. Its just rude to leave a group because you "have to go do something". </p><p>Even worse when its someone you don't know, who hasn't told you what they are offering in return and keeps bugging you to have it done. No thanks! Whatever is it can wait until I'm done here and can devote my full attention to crafting. Mail works just fine.</p>

[Meirril]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">With me it's paranoia  of sending something valuable to someone I only know the name of. </span></blockquote><p>I'll agree with Kordran, its generally safe to deal with high level anybodies even ones you don't know. Why? Well, most people don't want to risk their reputations for 100p.</p><p>Getting to be known as a loud mouth, kind of a smuck, and just plain wierd person to chat with. Fine. Honestly, none of that will really hurt you overall in game.</p><p>Get to be known as clueless (aka L2P), a lewt [Removed for Content], a ninja looter, or even worse an actual scammer...just cancel your account or switch servers. The more people you screw with the more your name gets spread around. After a while, that kind of person can't find a guild or a pick up group and is on hundreds of ignore lists. I don't care how much plat you made scamming people, you can't buy a guild or forgiveness.</p><p>Oh, and if it really was scamming the GMs will help you make the discission to move onto another game. Though...some people get their accounts reactivated a long time later. Maybe there was extinuating circumstances or something. *shrug* It doesn't matter because somebody remembers and the word starts spreading again.</p>

[Seidhkona]

If the person will buy a portable forge and travel to where I am with ALL the ingredients and fuels, I will make it on the spot. Otherwise I tell people to either mail it or ask me when I'm done with the raid/instance/whatever I am presently engaged in.I'm not the only 80 armorsmith on the server, so if it's important enough to them they'll find someone else.  My income depends more on harvesting.

[Kigneer]

<p>My only problem is finding a weaponsmith and armorer who can make me a weapon and armor from mats. Sending tells even in a guild doesn't help. Worse, you can't even find the weapon on the broker (Feysteel long sword); or it's so expensive that is costs more than all the money I've ever made in the game!</p><p>The result is trying to level both alts (and to get to level 38 for the armorer to forge some feysteel greaves).</p><p>That to me is the worst thing about EQII -- when you need the gear to even complete quests, you can't even find them; nor a weaponsmith or armorer who'll even answer your tells to make them. Yeah, Feysteel is incrediably hard to get (spent days harvesting and only have 3 [in comparison 4 Steels in 3hrs]), but they mean nothing if they can't be used.</p>

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

<cite>Ruckus@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zehl_Ice-Fire wrote:</cite><blockquote>I face the same issue. Sometimes I am busy CYBORING, sometimes I just don't feel like taking time out to meet them where they want me to meet and crafting 5 things for them RIGHT NOW. I offer them to send it by mail and I'll do it a bit later, and 99% of the time they go find someone else.</blockquote><p>Fixed it for ya, Zehl.</p><p>/ducks and evacs</p></blockquote>Yeah you better hide, go find a new dress or something frilly with lace to put on for later, I'll meet you in my bedroom <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Oxie]

<cite>Zehl_Ice-Fire wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah you better hide, go find a new dress or something frilly with lace to put on for later, I'll meet you in my bedroom <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>I wish they made pirate shirt like what Jerry Seinfeld wore in this episode:</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puffy_Shirt" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puffy_Shirt</a></p><p>'cause I have SEVERAL various pairs of pants and swashy hats that I could mix and match with it.</p><p>/wanders off to get the chocolate syrup</p>

[Inaya]

I'm a carpenter so I don't get many "OMG, I have to have it now requests" but its been my experience in MMO's that most of the "need to have it now" requests came from folks who didn't level crafters.  My goal is always to have one crafter of each type my mains and alts need at max level to be self sufficient and tho it takes awhile, for me its a huge sense of accomplishment.  Folks who don't like to craft, or haven't invested the time to craft, are usually on the impatient side.  That being said, if the person asking is new and genuinely excited about it, I've been known to log onto whatever he/she needed and travel to them.  I've also been known to say "sorry I have to log to sleep soon" to others who are pushy or rude.

[greenmantle]

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b>I wouldn't drop a pickup group of people I can tolerate for a crafting job.</b> Its just rude to leave a group because you "have to go do something". </p><p>Even worse when its someone you don't know, who hasn't told you what they are offering in return and keeps bugging you to have it done. No thanks! Whatever is it can wait until I'm done here and can devote my full attention to crafting. Mail works just fine.</p></blockquote>Lol a good pug is rarer than silicate, sadly ive pretty much given up crafting for anyone but friends and guildies because of this sort of thing. I am happy to make up a full set of mc and send it to a friend getting close to a gear change as a nice supprise but i have no intention of stopping what im doing in game to rush of and make stuff for some one that thinks half the cost of fuel with no mats is a fair price.

[Keowrath]

If I need something made, I am usually very excited to get it done and want it as soon as possible. That being said. I always search first for the class LFW (It usually doesn't bring any results back but I ALWAYS try that first) Then I'll search all of that class and contact the classes that are currently in a tradeskill zone or their own residence. I never approach someone on a raid and etremely rarely ask people in group zones. Once I've finally got hold of someone that agrees to help me I'll ask them where THEY want to meet me. I have no problems with running anywhere or logging an alt in if they're in a different faction city.I agree what was said above. I don't like mailing stuff to people unless I actually know them. I have access to all zones throughout all my characters so if the person agrees to make the item for me, there is no reason to use the mail system.I finally hit 80 armourer yesterday after abusing the double xp to the max. Having over 1000 of each raw I need I did the whole of T8 in 2 days heh. I get asked for orders from time to time and I expect people to treat me the way I treat others. If they're abusive they can find someone else and join my ignore list but the majority of my experiences have been pleasant. People will meet me at my house and I'll make the item for them then and there. I've only been contacted a couple of times while I've been in a group or on a raid and they have normally patiently waited.