City roof sitting "illegal" on PvE?

[Moonsoldier]

<p>Can someone tell me when a toon sitting on a roof in East Freeport was enough to bring a GM out of hiding to tell them to get down and say, "Don't let me catch you doing that again"?</p><p> Thanks.</p><p>edit: Let me add they were not doing things like "first person to find me gets 5p" or anything equally cheesy.  They were literally just parked there.</p>

[ashen1973]

<p>Maybe they where afraid you would slip and hurt yourself?  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Seriously though, I have spent hours climbing up to spots that look inaccessable and its great fun.</p><p>I can see of no reason at all why you shouldnt be able to do this and cant see how its breaking any game rules so the GM should have just kept his nose out of it.</p><p>Did they not give you a reason why they thought you shouldnt be doing it?</p>

[ashen1973]

<cite>Lunhilde@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>edit: Let me add they were not doing things like "first person to find me gets 5p" or anything equally cheesy.  They were literally just parked there.</p></blockquote>Even if someone where doing this, I can see no reason why it would be breaking any game rules. In fact it sounds like something that could be fun for people to participate in

[Moonsoldier]

<p>This wasn't me, this is a guildmate.  The GM told them that they "may be glitching the roof's geometry" but that is rediculous as the roofs in the old cities that people can jump-access to are fine and walkable.  I never could imagine that someone sitting on a roof could destroy the world as we know it but hey. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Ravaan]

<p>great topic actually i would like to petition SoE to fix the rooftops of South Qeynos. I am tired of falling through the world because what looks to be a solid roof ... isn't.</p><p>with some of the places i have gotten to via roof jumping i always expected a GM to pop up and say "um what are you doing?"</p><p>i just wish they would fix the top of the roofs, so then i can feel like im playing Assassins creed with my swashy.</p>

[Ravaan]

<cite>Lunhilde@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This wasn't me, this is a guildmate.  The GM told them that they "may be glitching the roof's geometry" but that is rediculous as the roofs in the old cities that people can jump-access to are fine and walkable.  <b>I never could imagine that someone sitting on a roof could destroy the world as we know it</b> but hey. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote>hmm never thought of it that way ... wonder if there would be loot.

[Iseabeil]

When you are goin to places you arent suposed to be at, there are remote risks that things might go wrong, including crashing zones and servers. Probably not too likely, but these areas are simply not coded for trespassing, since people werent intended to go there and that means things can mess up if really unlucky.

[Svann]

You know, freeport wasnt built to very high standards and it hasnt been maintained at all.  The roofs are just not strong enough to take much weight.

[Cusashorn]

I love jumping around the houses in South and North Qeynos. My own house in SQ has a solid roof. I have no problems jumping up to it. All the other buildings in the area arn't solid, so you fall through the world if you try to access them.

[greenmantle]

<cite>Iseabeil wrote:</cite><blockquote>When you are goin to places you arent suposed to be at, there are remote risks that things might go wrong, including crashing zones and servers. Probably not too likely, but these areas are simply not coded for trespassing, since people werent intended to go there and that means things can mess up if really unlucky.</blockquote>Sad, the idea of a cloaked ratonga lurking on a roof top like an extra gargoyle waiting for their unsuspecting prey is appealing.

[Killerbee3000]

I've seen many people doing it, myself included, I bet its not actually against the rules as it gives you exactly zero advantage, most likely some random noob thought its wrong and spammed the gm's and it was the easy way out for them to tell your guildmate to get down from there.

[steelbadger]

<cite>Iseabeil wrote:</cite><blockquote>When you are goin to places you arent suposed to be at, there are remote risks that things might go wrong, including crashing zones and servers. Probably not too likely, but these areas are simply not coded for trespassing, since people werent intended to go there and that means things can mess up if really unlucky.</blockquote>I call BS on this.Roof jumping is my primary past-time (when I'm not doing something more constructive) and has been for 3 years, it has been a common occurance ever since the game was released, if they could cause errors or crashes I'm sure we would have known about it long long before now.My money is on the GM not knowing what server he was on, or just being in a power crazed mood that day <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Kaalenarc]

<p>I suppose it depends on WHICH roof you were on. If its one that anyone can get to, it would *seem* that the GM is wrong. However if the player somehow skirted an invisible wall or got there through some means which are not allowed, thats different. Which roof was he on?</p>

[LordPazuzu]

Man, I won't mention some of my favorite places to hang out in Kunark then.  Mountain climbing in Kunark is one of my favorite "I'm bored but don't want to do anything productive" type activities.  I used to do it in EQ1 all the time as well using levitate spells.  Usually it just ends up getting you stuck someplace until your call comes back.  I once got stuck behind the Felwithe facade in Gfay on my warrior in EQ1.  Had to have a wizard friend come up to the other side and teleport me to the spires.

[Windowlicker]

I'm sorry, but if you can put your character there .. you should be able to fight there.  If it's not intended, then hotfix it so it can't be done.

[Rijacki]

Just like in all "a friend of mine" CS issues, we don't have the full story.  It's unlikely the full story will come out on the boards, too.

[habby2]

It's been that way since practically day 1 that if you are seen accessing areas of the city you shouldn't be able to get to (rooftops and such), you will get told to get down.  It used to be a lot worse, but as they found the different spots people were able to exploit to get to these areas, they fixed them so they wouldn't be able to that way any more.

[LordPazuzu]

<cite>habby2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's been that way since practically day 1 that if you are seen accessing areas of the city you shouldn't be able to get to (rooftops and such), you will get told to get down.  It used to be a lot worse, but as they found the different spots people were able to exploit to get to these areas, they fixed them so they wouldn't be able to that way any more.</blockquote>They should be doing the opposite.  Increasing accessiblity to the game world adds to the immersion.  Invisibile walls remind me I'm playing a game.

[interstellarmatter]

Are you sure that your friend was cybering on the roof with another character?

[LordPazuzu]

<p>Was your friend being obnoxious or harassing other players.  I knew a guy* in Vanguard that would climb buildings.  He'd stand over doorways or on an overhang over the broker or mailbox and hit a macro something along the lines of:</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ffff00;">/em takes a pee on %t.  </span></li><li><span style="color: #ffff00;">/say "I give unto thee the GOLDEN SHOWER!!!"</span></li></ul><p>Was your friend being obnoxious like that?</p><p>*By "knew a guy" I mean "me" after drinking too much tequila at a friends house.</p>

[Wingrider01]

<cite>steelbadger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Iseabeil wrote:</cite><blockquote>When you are goin to places you arent suposed to be at, there are remote risks that things might go wrong, including crashing zones and servers. Probably not too likely, but these areas are simply not coded for trespassing, since people werent intended to go there and that means things can mess up if really unlucky.</blockquote>I call BS on this.Roof jumping is my primary past-time (when I'm not doing something more constructive) and has been for 3 years, it has been a common occurance ever since the game was released, if they could cause errors or crashes I'm sure we would have known about it long long before now.My money is on the GM not knowing what server he was on, or just being in a power crazed mood that day <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Actually it was a favorite exploit in EQ1, players would get on the roof or the wall and cast on the NPC's, the npcs could not get to the player. Not sure if that is possible here.  This was on PVE servers

[Ama]

<p>Have to say this story sounds...shakey at best and there's probably something we're not hearing.  However to comment I've jumped up on rooftops and even shown pictures of it.  Developers commented on those pictures and none of those comments stated what I was doing was against the rules.  Also I never received a warning on my account nor in my mail stating what I did was in essence wrong. </p><p>Now going back to my first statement perhaps the OP's friend wasn't too truthful and he/she was /shouting in freeport "COME GET ME ****" or some other phrasing like that.  </p><p>What's the old saying now "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear"</p>

[Ama]

<p>*Beats on his Web Browser* Sorry for double post folks need to put this thing in a headlock to make it stop doing this I guess. </p>

[Lethe5683]

If you aren't supposed to be able to get on the roofs then it shouldn't be possible for people to get on roofs.

[Rahatmattata]

<cite>steelbadger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>My money is on the GM not knowing what server he was on, or just being in a power crazed mood that day <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>If it even really was a GM. Always check it out a little if someone tells you they are a GM! Random players can get banned for pretending to be a GM. Often GMs will have [GM] by their name if you /who them, or they won't show up at all. If they show up as /anon or without the [GM] tag when you /who... you might not be talking to a real GM.

[Wolfsight]

My favorite I am bored but can't be bothered doing anything the requires thinking is to City PvP inside Freeport and I use the rooftops alot, never had any trouble with GMs yet. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> I have noticed though they do remove crates and other items you may use to get yourself higher like the weapon stack right of the door on the broker building balcony in WFP...  Thought about posting a vid of these jumps but decided against it they may try and take away my fun having spent countless hours learning all the jumps in Qeynos , Freeport (With angry 80s chasing me around) and other zones like Lavastorm !

[Caelen]

The way I see it, if the guards can't reach you to throw you in jail it isn't illegal. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> I'd like to see them get me from up here!<img src="http://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/2691/2691203a613bd975563bd7506c1e28b482dc147.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Rocc]

<p>That's ridiculous! Game geometry in EQ2 is working as intended or should be /bugged. I've climbed up to the secret door in Qeynos Harbor a million times. That's my secret afk spot. In order to access it you have to climb the wall above the mender. Dont want me there? Remove the little wall pertrusions I use to get there. Why in the world is that secret door there anyway? Antonia Bayle secret escape route? </p>

[ganjookie]

<cite>Lunhilde@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Can someone tell me when a toon sitting on a roof in East Freeport was enough to bring a GM out of hiding to tell them to get down and say, "Don't let me catch you doing that again"?</p><p> Thanks.</p><p>edit: Let me add they were not doing things like "first person to find me gets 5p" or anything equally cheesy.  They were literally just parked there.</p></blockquote>HOw does a catburgler get his job done if the roofs are no good!?!?

[Rocc]

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[Rocc]

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[Rocc]

Roof hoppers brought all the servers down. Shame on you! <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Cusashorn]

I was never able to make it onto the rampart walls in Qeynos Harbor, or onto the bank. North Qeynos though... It's quite easy to get up onto the walls.

[Brawl_Kithicor]

<p>Sorry if its already been mentioned... but im way to tired to read through the whole article to answer your question</p><p>From unaccessible positions you are able to exploit... one example and the easiest is for a player who doesnt care about faction to kill mobs far above his/her/its level due to the fact you can kill the mob whos pathing doesnt allow him to reach you... so basically chance at xp + no chance of risk/cost to the player is a no no... not saying thats what you were doing, but until they can make areas like that inaccessable then I guess the GM ERSU (elite rooftop surveliance Unit) will have to pop out and read you your rights <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> Old eq1 players may remember nuking the guards in freeport safely from rooftop whihc until it was fixed that the guards could still get you (warp to you) was a warn/bannable exploit</p><p>anyways imma tired *yawn*</p><p>Jay</p>

[Wolfsight]

<cite>Brawl_Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sorry if its already been mentioned... but im way to tired to read through the whole article to answer your question</p><p>From unaccessible positions you are able to exploit... one example and the easiest is for a player who doesnt care about faction to kill mobs far above his/her/its level due to the fact you can kill the mob whos pathing doesnt allow him to reach you... so basically chance at xp + no chance of risk/cost to the player is a no no... not saying thats what you were doing, but until they can make areas like that inaccessable then I guess the GM ERSU (elite rooftop surveliance Unit) will have to pop out and read you your rights <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> Old eq1 players may remember nuking the guards in freeport safely from rooftop whihc until it was fixed that the guards could still get you (warp to you) was a warn/bannable exploit</p><p>anyways imma tired *yawn*</p><p>Jay</p></blockquote>Guards still get to you even if you are on a roof or wall when they get near you they just warp to the height you are at. On a side note its quite easy to get to work out jumps you just have to think backwards from where you want to go to what can I use to get there. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />