Allow /duels on PvP servers!~

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Doesn't look like I can make a poll on the official forums, but here goes...SoE Accept /duels on PvP servers, like on PvE servers. But only make it faction vs faction, not cross faction. <ul><li>When a person gets a kill in a duel, it should not be added to PvP kills.</li></ul><ul><li>You should not lose/gain fame, infamy or notoriety.</li></ul><ul><li>Only make it so a Qeynos player can duel another Qeynos player, A Freeport player can only duel another Freeport player and an Exile player can only duel another exile player.</li></ul><ul><li>You can bet money on the duels.</li></ul><ul><li>There should not be a "Range" on the duel, like there is on PvE servers, it ruins kiting for alot of classes, like Troubador and Rangers, and others.</li></ul><ul><li>Would also be fun if you could duel 2 vs 1, 3 vs 1, 6 vs 6, etc, like group challenges. </li></ul><ul><li>Duels should only be allowed in zones where PvP is disabled. Raid instances, Heroic instances, etc. And also cities. HOWEVER, if a person is carnage flagged and duels someone in the city, a person from the opposite faction can jump in and kill the carnage flagged player, and get whatever a person would normally get from a PvP kill.</li></ul><ul><li>/accepting a duel should not make someone immune for normal PvP.</li></ul><ul><li>Remove arena's, they are stupid <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></li></ul>Constructive criticism would be appreciated.Thank you.

[ulleulle]

This has been a "concern" of mine for a loooooong time...Might aswell face it, open all out pvp is not the best and only way to go..In my best judgement i can see alot of possible nerf thread dissapear if this would be implemented.people would get 10days worth of solo pvp experince in 1 hour if you are not a track class..People would also be able to perfect tactics by having alot of fights on "even" ground without the preasure of getting it all right in the split second the fight begins.not saying that this is a major factor in exileds being more aware of what is possible in pvp. but it sure as heck helps to be able to "test"  spells,equipment,tactics on other players at will,instead of trying to pull some new stuff off in open pvp where you probaly only get a couple of trys a day against the classes that are hardest for you to beat.You got my vote for this vin..Cheers..Jabib

[gfx]

Good point. Getting practice against certain classes!

[Ol]

<p><span style="font-size: small;font-family: Times New Roman;">ive always wanted something like this on a pvp server. but the reason they dont have it is probably so you cant perfect your tactics so easily. But i would like to see it. but you should be able to do it anywhere and be immune to regular pvp in the fight (though this might lead to staying in a duel to be immune to pvp, so maybe a 30second accept period?), and maybe after (so you can regain hp/refresh spells/CAs), the fight. or maybe something like after the fight you automatically regain all hp/power and CAs/spells. Ive never liked the range on the duel, especially since it was so small. maybe if it was big enough for kiting classes to get enough range it would be fine.</span></p>

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<cite>Ocik@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: small;font-family: Times New Roman;">ive always wanted something like this on a pvp server. but the reason they dont have it is probably so you cant perfect your tactics so easily. But i would like to see it. <u><b>but you should be able to do it anywhere and be immune to regular pvp in the fight</b></u> (though this might lead to staying in a duel to be immune to pvp, so maybe a 30second accept period?), and maybe after (so you can regain hp/refresh spells/CAs), the fight. or maybe something like after the fight you automatically regain all hp/power and CAs/spells. Ive never liked the range on the duel, especially since it was so small. maybe if it was big enough for kiting classes to get enough range it would be fine.</span></p></blockquote>people are gonna abuse this somehow, to prevent being ganked and save fame.

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p>I like the ide, but as Vinasaar said it must be done where there are non pvp. If you get immun to pvp when you duel, ppl will just use it when they go afk and such too,</p><p>Or SoE could make a duel even lets say Sundays 8 pm. And Everyone could duel everyone, with normal pvp rules.</p>

[Ol]

<cite>Vinasaar@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ocik@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: small;font-family: Times New Roman;">ive always wanted something like this on a pvp server. but the reason they dont have it is probably so you cant perfect your tactics so easily. But i would like to see it. <u><b>but you should be able to do it anywhere and be immune to regular pvp in the fight</b></u> (though this might lead to staying in a duel to be immune to pvp, <u><b>so maybe a 30second accept period</b></u>?), and maybe after (so you can regain hp/refresh spells/CAs), the fight. or maybe something like after the fight you automatically regain all hp/power and CAs/spells. Ive never liked the range on the duel, especially since it was so small. maybe if it was big enough for kiting classes to get enough range it would be fine.</span></p></blockquote>people are gonna abuse this somehow, to prevent being ganked and save fame.</blockquote>or in other words it takes 30 seconds to enter duel mode, and you cannot go into a duel if your in combat. well the reason is for the anywhere and immune, the last thing i would want to do to duel someone is go run into some instance or something. and i would hate betting money on a duel only for some guy to come and kill me in the middle of duel losing my coin that was at stake.

[Ol]

<cite>Guld_Ulrish wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I like the ide, but as Vinasaar said it must be done where there are non pvp. If you get immun to pvp when you duel, ppl will just use it when they go afk and such too,</p><p>Or SoE could make a duel even lets say Sundays 8 pm. And Everyone could duel everyone, with normal pvp rules.</p></blockquote>I dont like the idea that its set to a ceartain time since not everyone can be on whenever they want. and although i doubt someone would use it to go afk, since its easier to just go into immunity somehwere else, and it would take two people who wanted to go afk at the same time, how bout like a 10min time limit on a duel, since i dont think duels would go for that long. and just incase they do, after 10mins or so you are able to bo attacked in regular pvp means

[Aldhissla]

The OP got it right, no way to exploit it.Ocik got it wrong, too complicated and too many ways to exploit it.

[ulleulle]

Guys guys.No need for all this complicated stuff..Just make it so u can dual anywhere in the city zones.Or make the arena´s in the game work under open pvp ruleset.And ofcource remove the potions inside =)This is only for frp vs frp and Q vs Q, so no reason to take it into the open..Cheers.Jabib

[gfx]

duels are allowed in cities, so if you want to duel someone, you go into an instance or stay in the city. you don't go to crowded pvp areas like KP to duel someone from your own faction, do you agree?

[Ol]

<cite>Aldhissla wrote:</cite><blockquote>The OP got it right, no way to exploit it.Ocik got it wrong, too complicated and too many ways to exploit it.</blockquote>Whos the OP? and can you explain what i missed that could be exploited?

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<cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Guys guys.No need for all this complicated stuff..Just make it so u can dual anywhere in the city zones.Or make the arena´s in the game work under open pvp ruleset.And ofcource remove the potions inside =)This is only for frp vs frp and Q vs Q, so no reason to take it into the open..Cheers.Jabib</blockquote>correct

[Aldhissla]

OP means original poster.And your solution would only make things complicated and leave gaps to be exploited for numerous reasons. Just think of how you could use those rules proposed by you to your advantage in PvP.

[Ol]

Well ive read over what ive posted and the only way i see anyone exploting it is using the duel to run past people that would kill them otherwise. but for people like me, i lag horribly in the city, even on the lowest detail, so is i wouldnt be doing any dueling in the city. and in instances your lucky to find a spot to duel without the mobs aggro unless you clear wherever or fight around grey cons. but my way probably is to complicated overall. i would be happy if they put it in at all. i would just like it so two people could fight at will instead of calling home or going and jumping into some instance.

[gfx]

well, lol, why do you play eq2 if your computer can't handle it?

[Guld_Ulrish]

Just fix ´pvp rules to the arena and remove the pots.

[Ol]

<cite>Vinasaar@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>well, lol, why do you play eq2 if your computer can't handle it?</blockquote><p>im usually ok when running through an instace or zone or something... just cities and zoning that are the problem. im fixing the problem soon enough</p>

[Sorffats]

As the OP stated, dueling enabled only within non-pvp zones.  I'd even go so far as to say that duels only enabled in non-pvp city zones and also code it where you can not initiate or accept a duel if you are carnaged.

[Rattfa]

Sounds like you got all bases covered Vinny, Good idea! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Izzypop]

Change the arena to follow PVP rules and not Arena rules. Remove all health/power regen potions on the ground. Include 2 optoins for the arean with landscape, or just a baren flat floor with nothing inside. Give blue servers this same option while you are at it. Give them a taste of PvP and we may have more converts.

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<cite>Izzypop wrote:</cite><blockquote>Change the arena to follow PVP rules and not Arena rules. Remove all health/power regen potions on the ground. Include 2 optoins for the arean with landscape, or just a baren flat floor with nothing inside. Give blue servers this same option while you are at it. Give them a taste of PvP and we may have more converts.</blockquote>

[Buttcliffe]

<cite>Vinasaar@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Izzypop wrote:</cite><blockquote>Change the arena to follow PVP rules and not Arena rules. Remove all health/power regen potions on the ground. Include 2 optoins for the arean with landscape, or just a baren flat floor with nothing inside. Give blue servers this same option while you are at it. Give them a taste of PvP and we may have more converts.</blockquote></blockquote>This?  Yes.

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ALL RIGHT - Now that guild halls are here, allow /duels inside guild halls. This would be awesome.

[Fluffypaws]

<cite>Vinasaar@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>ALL RIGHT - Now that guild halls are here, allow /duels inside guild halls. This would be awesome.</blockquote>I thought about this too, the sudden urge i feel to start hitting my guild mate on the way to the broker is strong <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[gfx]

Yeah exactly. There's training dummies, but seriously, are you really "training" when attacking dummies? no...

[MrCartoon69]

lol go exile and you will get all the practice you want

[Azekah1]

<cite>Izzypop wrote:</cite><blockquote>Give them a taste of PvP and we may have more converts.</blockquote>Eh...They will come over, get ganked once while questing or killing a mob then cry themselves back to the blue servers <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Zoku]

I'd love to have duels on the pvp servers.  I think that we should be open to duel anywhere and everywhere, but there should be no immunity given to open pvp.  So in other words, duel anywhere, but if you don't want to worry about being interupted then do it in the cities or instances.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Vinasaar@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah exactly. There's training dummies, but seriously, are you really "training" when attacking dummies? no...</blockquote>Well, some guildies are really dummies. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Tenka]

duel anytime, anyplace.  in the event of actual pvp, the duel is simply broken, and both Q's/FP's involved can no longer atk each other.   too easy.

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<p><cite>Shami@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>lol go exile and you will get all the practice you want</blockquote><p>I would kill people too much.</p>

[Ol]

<p><cite>Lesa13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>duel anytime, anyplace.  in the event of actual pvp, the duel is simply broken, and both Q's/FP's involved can no longer atk each other.   too easy.</blockquote><p>actually that wouldnt be a bad idea...</p>