simple question

[profpedantic]

i know this may be an excessively obvious question, but you never know sometimes.<p>when speaking of the buckler spec and it's aforementioned accutrement. does "buckler" mean literally buckler, or any shield that is not a tower shield?</p><p>i know, it could prove to be the dumbest question ever posted to a forum, but i must know.</p>

[tikasa]

<cite>profpedantic wrote:</cite><blockquote>i know this may be an excessively obvious question, but you never know sometimes. <p>when speaking of the buckler spec and it's aforementioned accutrement. does "buckler" mean literally buckler, or any shield that is not a tower shield?</p><p>i know, it could prove to be the dumbest question ever posted to a forum, but i must know.</p></blockquote>Buckler is a type and ONLY a Buckler can be used.    Round, Kite, and Tower will all make this line Null.

[profpedantic]

that's what i was afraid of...well not afraid, but good to know so i don't go using the wrong type of shield and look like a noob.<div></div><div>ah, but is it noobish just to ask the obvious question? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div></div>

[Xita]

yes it is noobish to ask the question but noobish in a good way. you are now an informed noob instead of a stupid noob <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Pnaxx]

<p>So, I am level 59 right now...dusted the dust off and started playin this again. I had no AA's at all and now have enough to fill one line pretty good. I went with the STR Line I think, the one that has a melee hit which increases chance next hit will be a crit...and another section in the line that increases overall Crits. </p><p>Should that be the best thing, or go with the Buckler? I have been generally using a 2 handed weapon.</p><p>Whats interesting is that I am seeing you all talk about agro problems at times. When I played this char along time ago, we were agro magnets...couldn't lose agro if you tryed. This was before the AA's even came out. Now I am seeing that things are different. So please lend me a hand and give me advise on my first AA line I should go down.</p>

[Xita]

<p>you will want to do buckler as soon as you have enough points to make it worthwhile. So once you have 17 points i would spec 4-4-8 STA.</p>

[LygerT]

double attack from the stamina tree (with buckler) first then crits from the strength tree second.

[Ranja]

<cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>double attack from the stamina tree (with buckler) first then crits from the strength tree second. </blockquote>Cool that is exactly that I did. I am nowSta 4-4-8Str 4-4-8 I am now working on the Int line because haste>dps? Is this the correct line or should I be working on the DPS line (wis I beleive).Guess I am asking what line next after str and sta

[Endorplasmic]

<cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>double attack from the stamina tree (with buckler) first then crits from the strength tree second. </blockquote>Cool that is exactly that I did. I am nowSta 4-4-8Str 4-4-8 I am now working on the Int line because haste>dps? Is this the correct line or should I be working on the DPS line (wis I beleive).Guess I am asking what line next after str and sta</blockquote>You kiss your momma with that mouth?!?! The WIS line on PVE is pretty much garbage. Head all the way down STA before dipping into INT.haste > dps for us (but sadly in a raid we go over the cap pretty easy), group-wise the faster you're swining your axe, the more damage you do, the more you hold agro.I personally like to keep haste and dps around the same (obviously some things proc haste and not dps which skews the numbers) but either way we can still get a CA in before each auto-attack which is still nice for the time being *cough* 4.0 delay plz *cough*

[Pnaxx]

I respeced and went and put 22 points in STA and now am workin on STR. The wached out thing is...I had a guildie make me a Buckler....and so I was using it with the STA Line and wondering why it seemed to suck. So, I then notice after a night of killing quests...IT WASD A ROUND SHIELD! Not a buckler. lol.......so, I had him make me one, but it is for one level above me, so i need to wait. Can't wait though.

[LygerT]

<p>i think what Endo was trying to say is that Wis line is useless unless you are not on a PvP server, because mit debuffs are ownage in pvp(belly smash). </p><p>DPS mod is no less important than haste is, in fact, i would argue that DPS mod is our second most important needed stat, unfortunately the small amount you get from the Wis tree isn't worth the points to get it, points in making sure your haste is capped however is more important since you gain alot more haste from INT than you do DPS mod from WIS. swinging your weapon fast is nice and all but if it is doing no damage then there is no point, DPS mod is where your damage comes from so haste is nothing without DPS and vice versa, i would rather swing a little slower but hit harder than swing slightly faster for alot less damage. </p><p>in short, INT is the most popularly third choice for trees to go down, pick up as much haste as you can and the end ability will also help your DPS to a small degree. </p>

[Endorplasmic]

<cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>i think what Endo was trying to say is that Wis line is useless unless you are not on a PvP server, because mit debuffs are ownage in pvp(belly smash). </p><p>DPS mod is no less important than haste is, in fact, i would argue that DPS mod is our second most important needed stat, unfortunately the small amount you get from the Wis tree isn't worth the points to get it, points in making sure your haste is capped however is more important since you gain alot more haste from INT than you do DPS mod from WIS. swinging your weapon fast is nice and all but if it is doing no damage then there is no point, DPS mod is where your damage comes from so haste is nothing without DPS and vice versa, i would rather swing a little slower but hit harder than swing slightly faster for alot less damage. </p><p>in short, INT is the most popularly third choice for trees to go down, pick up as much haste as you can and the end ability will also help your DPS to a small degree. </p></blockquote>Naw dude read again I said that the WIS line on PVE is garbage (the way you wrote it above is you think the WIS line is viable on PVE, which I know that you don't agree, just wanted to make sure people get that right).I still think that haste is a better "first stat" to work on since even though my hits don't hit harder, at least I'm getting more of them in. Like if I'm hitting 4k auto attacks and my haste is twice as much as my dps mod I'd be doing more damage than if it was the other way around (you may get 6k auto attacks, but half the amount of them in since you are swinging so slow).

[Slayer505]

Who's the noob- the one that thinks he knows it all and merrily goes along doing the wrong thing (like using a Round Shield or speccing Wisdom line) or the one that asks the question?  I always tell people the only stupid question is an unasked one <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><div></div>

[LygerT]

<cite>Endorplasmic wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>i think what Endo was trying to say is that Wis line is useless unless you are not on a PvP server, because mit debuffs are ownage in pvp(belly smash). </p><p>DPS mod is no less important than haste is, in fact, i would argue that DPS mod is our second most important needed stat, unfortunately the small amount you get from the Wis tree isn't worth the points to get it, points in making sure your haste is capped however is more important since you gain alot more haste from INT than you do DPS mod from WIS. swinging your weapon fast is nice and all but if it is doing no damage then there is no point, DPS mod is where your damage comes from so haste is nothing without DPS and vice versa, i would rather swing a little slower but hit harder than swing slightly faster for alot less damage. </p><p>in short, INT is the most popularly third choice for trees to go down, pick up as much haste as you can and the end ability will also help your DPS to a small degree. </p></blockquote>Naw dude read again I said that the WIS line on PVE is garbage (the way you wrote it above is you think the WIS line is viable on PVE, which I know that you don't agree, just wanted to make sure people get that right).I still think that haste is a better "first stat" to work on since even though my hits don't hit harder, at least I'm getting more of them in. Like if I'm hitting 4k auto attacks and my haste is twice as much as my dps mod I'd be doing more damage than if it was the other way around (you may get 6k auto attacks, but half the amount of them in since you are swinging so slow).</blockquote><p>yea, for some reason i read it as PvP, which the mit debuffs are pretty useless in PvE, especially on epics since how often is an epic really knocked down and how do you know it is since the graphic is untrustworthy most of the time? being Kerran i already have a 1k mitigation debuff that is pretty much permanently on a mobs, it even affects epics. on heroics mit pretty much caps near 2k, so the wisdom debuff for me is over the cap and already becoming useless on heroics. </p><p>i understand your point in haste being important, which it still is, but thing is, haste isn't really that hard to come by, at times i have hit 400 haste... it's a pretty cold day out that i regularly see dps mod even over 200, so the best route is the one that gives you the best buffer in each direction and that is focusing less on haste and more on dps mod. but as i said, the wisdom tree and how little it gives is garbage, i'm not advocating people use it, but if it did offer more along the lines of the int tree, i certainly would tell people to try it. </p>

[Pnaxx]

<cite>Karsgaar@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Who's the noob- the one that thinks he knows it all and merrily goes along doing the wrong thing (like using a Round Shield or speccing Wisdom line) or the one that asks the question?  I always tell people the only stupid question is an unasked one <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><div></div></blockquote>Im not really a noob. I just play one on T.V.