The Seeress' final prophecies...

[Cusashorn]

<img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Cusashorn/Seeressbook-1.jpg" border="0" alt="" />

[shadowscale]

where is this book from?

[Jennive]

Oh yes, please tell! I am extremely interested in this!

[Cusashorn]

<p>Harvest a Koalindil from the pool. Right click examine and release it. </p><p>Take the key to the chest down in the skeleton area of Down Below. It's by a fireplace.</p>

[Jennive]

Aha! I found the Koalindl scale key earlier, I hadn't yet found a use for it. Thank you!

[Rainmare]

timeless betrayer..sounds like some people may have been right about Roadyle. and the spurned daughter...Lanys? or coudl that be the dark elf ethernaught? princely vengeance is probably Inny...but is it his spurned daughter or another.and isn't Exonus the true name of the Qeynos claymore? if that's the case...it's hand may be Antonius Bayle's crypt?

[Jennive]

The fallen three makes me think of those 3 robed figures in the banners in the other thread about OOLS.

[shadowscale]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Harvest a Koalindil from the pool. Right click examine and release it. </p><p>Take the key to the chest down in the skeleton area of Down Below. It's by a fireplace.</p></blockquote>how do people figure this stuff out without hints. will have to pick this up if it lets people from freeport get it.edit: yep just picked it up. but the thing is its book three, where are books one and two.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Harvest a Koalindil from the pool. Right click examine and release it. </p><p>Take the key to the chest down in the skeleton area of Down Below. It's by a fireplace.</p></blockquote>how do people figure this stuff out without hints. will have to pick this up if it lets people from freeport get it.edit: yep just picked it up. but the thing is its book three, where are books one and two.</blockquote>Chancesare we're intentionally not going to see 1 and 2. Some other books across Norrath is like that.

[Lodrelhai]

If this is book three, where are the first two books?

[Sar]

Location of the chest please? I found the skeletons but not a chest or fireplace.

[Jennive]

It's not actually a fireplace but a tomb/alcove sort of thing with some candles. On the face of the tomb, you will see a plaque stating that it is the tomb of a previous prophet of Rodcet Nife.

[Sar]

<p>Ok I found it, its at a makeshift fireplace with two candles in the mainly cemented area... (a room NE of the fallen noble) its a small box at -206.15, 0.00 , -24.58.</p>

[Lodrelhai]

Something else that might be of interest.  The last two pages in the book about the Seeress have been filled in.<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/2826219239_49f9a6f436_o.jpg" alt="" border="0" />So there IS an in-game hint.  ^_^And from the prophecies Cusathorn first found, anyone else think that "In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung" might refer to something the Claws of Veeshan/dragons in general might have?  The stories found in Trakanon's lair came to mind, though of course he's not part of the Claws.  Or is this just my dragon-obsession?

[Sar]

Did opening this also give me a Temple of Life minature? I just noticed it in my inventory. Looks like the top of a column in your inventory.

[Cusashorn]

Yeah you get that with the book.

[Sar]

Cool! Ty for the info all. I had harvested the fish and disco on it but hadn't had a clue what to do with it lol.

[TolenClearbrook]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Harvest a Koalindil from the pool. Right click examine and release it. </p><p>Take the key to the chest down in the skeleton area of Down Below. It's by a fireplace.</p></blockquote>Is this the seconds part of the live event, after the bone chip orb is full?

[Jennive]

Nope, I did it and we're still under 10% on the orb.

[TolenClearbrook]

<cite>Jennivere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nope, I did it and we're still under 10% on the orb.</blockquote>Then i must be missing a previous step, catching the fish did not let me release it.

[Wluil]

<blockquote>The tomb of the hound hides the prism of a timeless betrayer.</blockquote> This makes me think of... wasn't there something about the hounds of ethermere? Or the hounds of Theer or something? Also wasn't there some crystal involved in a story with the barbarians a few months ago. I don't have the time to go researching it all at the moment, but I wanted to throw it out there all the same. <div></div><div>I vote we don't get any more riddles until we get some answers to the first set from Mayong :p </div>

[Jennive]

<cite>TolenClearbrook wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jennivere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nope, I did it and we're still under 10% on the orb.</blockquote>Then i must be missing a previous step, catching the fish did not let me release it.</blockquote>You need to be standing near the water in the Temple of Life in order to release it.

[Coniaric]

<cite>Wluil wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>The tomb of the hound hides the prism of a timeless betrayer.</blockquote>This makes me think of... wasn't there something about the hounds of ethermere? Or the hounds of Theer or something? Also wasn't there some crystal involved in a story with the barbarians a few months ago. I don't have the time to go researching it all at the moment, but I wanted to throw it out there all the same.  <div></div><div>I vote we don't get any more riddles until we get some answers to the first set from Mayong :p </div></blockquote>I'm more sure that it's Ilisia's tomb. She was called the Hound of something before becoming an Ethernaut.

[Lodrelhai]

<cite>Jennivere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TolenClearbrook wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jennivere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nope, I did it and we're still under 10% on the orb.</blockquote>Then i must be missing a previous step, catching the fish did not let me release it.</blockquote>You need to be standing near the water in the Temple of Life in order to release it.</blockquote>I had to be IN the water.  Still, it makes sense.  If you release a fish on the shore it's not going to fare any better than if you'd taken it home and fried it.

[Xdatinelia]

<p>The fish can be used in crafting..I wonder what for?</p>

[Illine]

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wluil wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>The tomb of the hound hides the prism of a timeless betrayer.</blockquote>This makes me think of... wasn't there something about the hounds of ethermere? Or the hounds of Theer or something? Also wasn't there some crystal involved in a story with the barbarians a few months ago. I don't have the time to go researching it all at the moment, but I wanted to throw it out there all the same.  <div></div><div>I vote we don't get any more riddles until we get some answers to the first set from Mayong :p </div></blockquote>I'm more sure that it's Ilisia's tomb. She was called the Hound of something before becoming an Ethernaut.</blockquote>Hound of Zek? something like that

[Sylaz]

<cite>Earar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wluil wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>The tomb of the hound hides the prism of a timeless betrayer.</blockquote>This makes me think of... wasn't there something about the hounds of ethermere? Or the hounds of Theer or something? Also wasn't there some crystal involved in a story with the barbarians a few months ago. I don't have the time to go researching it all at the moment, but I wanted to throw it out there all the same.  <div></div><div>I vote we don't get any more riddles until we get some answers to the first set from Mayong :p </div></blockquote>I'm more sure that it's Ilisia's tomb. She was called the Hound of something before becoming an Ethernaut.</blockquote>Hound of Zek? something like that</blockquote>Yep, from the poem Heart of the Hound:<i>But it took not long for loose lips to spill, And soon a tracker was at their neck, Her mission: to capture, but also to kill, She was Illisia Iceheart, called the Hound of Zek.</i>

[Zabjade]

<cite>Xdatinelia wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The fish can be used in crafting..I wonder what for?</p></blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">School of Fish in a pond maybe?I also noticed when put next to the last live event book that it has an orange cast to the sparkles. I imagine we will find the other two books as part of the investigation into the murder. I just hope that getting the book three does not mess up the quest.</span>

[Kaitheel]

No worries there.  Obtaining the Seeress' Third Book of Prophecies will not interfere with the quests. 

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">Good to know I hope the other 2 books also have slightly diffrent color partical effects as well get a rainbow going hehe. </span>

[Aurumn]

Doesn't that Scryona thing give off an orange glow in the lore bit that came out today. (Part 3 of that cloudskipper thing)

[Wluil]

<cite>Mezzmyrelda@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Doesn't that Scryona thing give off an orange glow in the lore bit that came out today. (Part 3 of that cloudskipper thing)</blockquote>It does, however I believe it may be coincidental. I would be highly suspicious of the scryona having anything to do with the in game books. 

[Chronia]

I'd definately be interested in finding the other two books if they exist and if they do and if anyone knows about them could they let me know? I'm also wondering if there is an "evil" faction item/goodie/lore etc. such as this.  Does anyone know if there is and if so where to get it? With the death of the Seeress one would think there'd be something happening on the other end of things for those who wanted to spread the plague when it was still around where she was countering it. They'd have to benefit somehow over her demise wouldn't they? So I suspect there might be an "evil" side quest or easter egg such as this but that's only my speculation, I don't know for sure. But if there is and anyone knows about it I'd sure appreciate the input! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[TolenClearbrook]

It could be bunnies... Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes. I agree with the Pilgrim Anya outside the temple.

[irish]

Evils can do the quest they just neeed to sneak in to do it.

[RaphaNissi]

Just going to add in my 2c here for speculation <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />- Naught gone where others must follow to meet oblivion: Reference to how we will be following the Ethernauts' footsteps in fighting the void (oblivion)- In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung: Reference to Eylee's writings (possibly more bard songs) found in Trak's lair - The tomb of the hound hides the prism of a timeless betrayer: Reference to Ilisia's tomb as she was the hound of Zek before becoming a servant of Erollisi.  The prism more than likely refers to the Eternal Prism found in the Heart of the Hound poem with the Visito being the timeless betrayer. (or is it possible Ilisia is Ullkkoruuk?)- The secret crypt of the hand of Exonus leads to the fallen three: Exonus = Qeynos claymore which was wielded by humans.  So it oculd be Bayle's crypt and the fallen three could be people or maybe the 3 weapons of Theer (Exonus, Soulfire, and the Staff)- The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans of vengeance: Reference to Asharae.  She was definitely not happy with her father and still seems to want to seek some type of revenge on her former masters.Well, those are my personal current speculations on some of the prophecies.  Hopefully, it helps get some more thinking going. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Chronia]

<cite>irish wrote:</cite><blockquote>Evils can do the quest they just neeed to sneak in to do it.</blockquote>And what about those classes that don't have a sneak ability? I lag really hard too so even doing it visible gets me killed. I'd prefer if there was an "evil" equivalent, would just make things simpler.

[Diamonds]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Cusashorn/Seeressbook-1.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></blockquote><p>The tomb of the hound hides the prism of a timeless betrayer.  I believe that states that the death of Illiysia will mask the betrayal of Roadyle.</p><p>The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans of vengeance.  This has to deal to Asharae.</p><p>Chaos and mourning rules when the sword resides where the heart should be.  I believe this is pretty self explanatory.  If a sword is where your heart should be then there is going to be a lot of deaths.  Or it might mean that chaos and mourning rules when people are heartless and all hope and love is lost eh?</p><p>The contested lady under the waves guides those to growth.  "The Contested"  Does that mean that she's in competition with someone else?  I'm guessing that this lady under the waves has to be some sort of god.</p>

[Lodrelhai]

<cite>Chronia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>irish wrote:</cite><blockquote>Evils can do the quest they just neeed to sneak in to do it.</blockquote>And what about those classes that don't have a sneak ability? I lag really hard too so even doing it visible gets me killed. I'd prefer if there was an "evil" equivalent, would just make things simpler.</blockquote>This is the path to the Temple of Life I used for my lvl 5 Arasai when she wanted to help cure the plague:Take the Antonica > Peat Bog > Vermin Snye > Down Below > North Qeynos route.Once in NQ, there's a bit of a ledge on the barrier wall between NQ/SQ, hop onto that, from there onto the moat wall, and into the moat.Swim to the other end of the moat, staying close to the castle wall side of the moat, since one of the platforms has a guard on it.Climb out at the last platform.  Jump the wall at the top to the grass on the other side (standing on the slightly raised post at the edge of the walkway helps with this).Once on the grassy area, follow the wall until you're a few yard from the entrance to the Temple of Life.  WAIT there until Captain Penly goes down the stairs and back up - he's a lvl 80 epic x4 and he rides all the way down to the edge of the water.  You don't want to head down until you are sure he's not down there.After Penley comes back up, he circles NQ - takes about 10 minutes.  This gives you plenty of time to go down, grab a fish, release it again, and follow the same path back to the Down Below entrance.

[Anestacia]

<cite>TolenClearbrook wrote:</cite><blockquote>It could be bunnies... Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes. I agree with the Pilgrim Anya outside the temple.</blockquote>They got them Hoppy legs and twitchy little noses.  And whats with all the carrots?  What do they need such good eyesite for anyway. Bunnies; bunnies; it MUST be bunnies.  Or maybe midgets!

[Chronia]

Thank you. I do know the path to get there as I've done it on faster and much more capable computer systems before, however but as I mentioned in my previous post, on my own computer lag prevents me from doing it because I can't see the roaming guard that goes into the temple area until I'm dead. So again please don't tell me how to do this from Qeynos I'd simply like a response if there is an"evil" side version. Lag gets me, killed regardless of the path I take, becasue on my screen the guard isn't there but the server says he is and when my computer catches up to the server it's too late, I'm already dead. So if you know if there is an "evil" side version I'd appreciate the input. I don't mean to come across as rude but the sneaking into Qeynos thing simply is not a workable option for me as at present I do not have access to a beter system than my own. Thanks.

[Illine]

<p>I know there's a quest in gorowin if you talk to the priest of Bert.</p><p>the same that gave previous quests to help spread the plague</p>

[Katook]

<cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just going to add in my 2c here for speculation <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />- Naught gone where others must follow to meet oblivion: Reference to how we will be following the Ethernauts' footsteps in fighting the void (oblivion)- In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung: Reference to Eylee's writings (possibly more bard songs) found in Trak's lair - <b>The tomb of the hound hides the prism of a timeless betrayer</b>: Reference to Ilisia's tomb as she was the hound of Zek before becoming a servant of Erollisi.  The prism more than likely refers to the Eternal Prism found in the Heart of the Hound poem with the Visito being the timeless betrayer. (or is it possible Ilisia is Ullkkoruuk?)- The secret crypt of the hand of Exonus leads to the fallen three: Exonus = Qeynos claymore which was wielded by humans.  So it oculd be Bayle's crypt and the fallen three could be people or maybe the 3 weapons of Theer (Exonus, Soulfire, and the Staff)<b>- The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans of vengeance</b>: Reference to Asharae.  She was definitely not happy with her father and still seems to want to seek some type of revenge on her former masters.Well, those are my personal current speculations on some of the prophecies.  Hopefully, it helps get some more thinking going. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>I am still thinking Illisia is Ullkorruuk.  Their stories at the most basic level line up creating the possibility of them being the same person.  They were both knights dedicated to the service of Erollisi.  As we see the love triangle emerge in the current lore between Bayle, Eylee, and Illisia, it's not a big leap to think that someone ends up being betrayed.  That is how love triangles often end.  </p><p>And this new prophecy is fairly clearly pointing at Illisia (regardless of whether she becomes Ullkorruuk or not):</p><ul><li>'Tomb of the hound' - Illisia was known as the Hound of Zek</li><li>'hides the prism' - Illisia did possess the prism after their encounter with the Visitor.   </li><li>'timeless betrayer' - Now this could definitely either reference the Visitor or Ullkorruuk.   Despite being elevated at a specific point in the case of Ullky, gods are often considered timeless since they theoretically never expire.  Anything that endures for a long time can be considered timeless (like Diamonds for example).  </li></ul><p>I would go so far as to suggest that the final prophecy about the fate of a spurned daughter, could also refer to Ullkorruuk.  She is in service to the Prince of Hate (princely plans of vengeance).  And if she does end up getting rejected by Bayle in the lore we're reading now she could be considered the 'spurned daughter'.  She is afterall the daughter of Erollisi in a way.  Disciples of any god are often called their 'children' in a metaphorical sense. </p><p>I also still think the prophecy from Mayong's library "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate" refers to her as well (either Illisia during her time as an Ethernaut does something to start the march of fate, or more likely Ullkorruuk in the present).  She does act as a representative of Erasmus and Unna and defends them when they cannot defends themselves.  And they certainly were a pair of forbidden lovers.  </p><p> To sum it up - I think Ullkorruuk is going to be more deeply explained in the coming expansion.  </p>

[Lodrelhai]

<cite>Katook wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>I am still thinking Illisia is Ullkorruuk.  Their stories at the most basic level line up creating the possibility of them being the same person.  They were both knights dedicated to the service of Erollisi.  As we see the love triangle emerge in the current lore between Bayle, Eylee, and Illisia, it's not a big leap to think that someone ends up being betrayed.  That is how love triangles often end.  </p><p>And this new prophecy is fairly clearly pointing at Illisia (regardless of whether she becomes Ullkorruuk or not):</p><ul><li>'Tomb of the hound' - Illisia was known as the Hound of Zek</li><li>'hides the prism' - Illisia did possess the prism after their encounter with the Visitor.   </li><li>'timeless betrayer' - Now this could definitely either reference the Visitor or Ullkorruuk.   Despite being elevated at a specific point in the case of Ullky, gods are often considered timeless since they theoretically never expire.  Anything that endures for a long time can be considered timeless (like Diamonds for example).  </li></ul><p>I would go so far as to suggest that the final prophecy about the fate of a spurned daughter, could also refer to Ullkorruuk.  She is in service to the Prince of Hate (princely plans of vengeance).  And if she does end up getting rejected by Bayle in the lore we're reading now she could be considered the 'spurned daughter'.  She is afterall the daughter of Erollisi in a way.  Disciples of any god are often called their 'children' in a metaphorical sense. </p><p>I also still think the prophecy from Mayong's library "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate" refers to her as well (either Illisia during her time as an Ethernaut does something to start the march of fate, or more likely Ullkorruuk in the present).  She does act as a representative of Erasmus and Unna and defends them when they cannot defends themselves.  And they certainly were a pair of forbidden lovers.  </p><p> To sum it up - I think Ullkorruuk is going to be more deeply explained in the coming expansion.  </p></blockquote>Except Ullkorruuk was a knight, and Illisia seems to be a ranger.I'm also starting to think this is before many of the classes as we know them, either in EQ2 or EQ1, were established.  We have an orge brawler-type, and though monks, much less bruisers, have yet to be established fistfighting is generally very common - Nurgg could simply be a boxer.  Eylee may be so uncertain about how her bardic magic works because no one, or very few, have ever tapped that type of magic before.Knights, however, require set protocols by their nature - it's a title, not just a class, usually given by a ruler with some level commitment to said ruler and the people ruled inherent.  While a case could be made that one or more of the Ethernauts is a proto-knight of some sort, when Everling is brought before Ullkoruuk's altar, he recognizes her figurine as a knight immediately, which indicates to me plate armor and possibly a crest in addition to the sword stuck in her lover's back.  Given the tribal community among the barbarians/humans at this time, I doubt plate armor's been developed or adopted among them yet.  The elves and dwarves may have it, but not the humans.

[Daine]

Oh I hope so.  That would make this particular lore nerd squeal with excitement  XD

[Katook]

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite> <blockquote>Except Ullkorruuk was a knight, and Illisia seems to be a ranger.I'm also starting to think this is before many of the classes as we know them, either in EQ2 or EQ1, were established.  We have an orge brawler-type, and though monks, much less bruisers, have yet to be established fistfighting is generally very common - Nurgg could simply be a boxer.  Eylee may be so uncertain about how her bardic magic works because no one, or very few, have ever tapped that type of magic before.Knights, however, require set protocols by their nature - it's a title, not just a class, usually given by a ruler with some level commitment to said ruler and the people ruled inherent.  While a case could be made that one or more of the Ethernauts is a proto-knight of some sort, when Everling is brought before Ullkoruuk's altar, he recognizes her figurine as a knight immediately, which indicates to me plate armor and possibly a crest in addition to the sword stuck in her lover's back.  Given the tribal community among the barbarians/humans at this time, I doubt plate armor's been developed or adopted among them yet.  The elves and dwarves may have it, but not the humans.</blockquote><p>I will agree that that is one of the weak points in my theory.  In fact, I had initially envisioned both Illisia and Ullkorruuk as Paladins since that is a very Marr-esque class.  But as you say - 'Knight' is more a title than a class.  If anyone would be knighted among the new humans- Illisia would definitely qualify for all of her service.  First saving Erasmus and Unna and helping them start their clan and then through her work defeating the void.  So there is the potential later on for her to become one.  </p>

[Arbreth]

Is there more to this?What is the woman whispering in that crypt area, and in the area with the spiders and the locked gate?Sounds like something about "The quest for the Touch of Bertoxxulous is..."And there is a man that says "The Truth"She says more, sounds like instructions, and I thought she said "statue" at one point.There is more, tis hard to hear and the voices are on the ambient volume track.Can anyone else hear them better?

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Arbreth wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is there more to this?What is the woman whispering in that crypt area, and in the area with the spiders and the locked gate?Sounds like something about "The quest for the Touch of Bertoxxulous is..."And there is a man that says "The Truth"She says more, sounds like instructions, and I thought she said "statue" at one point.There is more, tis hard to hear and the voices are on the ambient volume track.Can anyone else hear them better?</blockquote>Wait, what? Is this something from the evil side of the quest?

[Arbreth]

I am in the down below and in Vermin's Snye.Where ever the ceiling is covered in stars you can hear the whispers.Did you know that in Estle's shrine there are three statues?  Is not Estle and Vhalen buried down here?Also, in one of the Vermin Snye rooms, the one that lets you into the Sepulcher of Jhanda, part of her whispers now sounds like "The message, it is true".Still hard to hear though...Going deeper...

[Arbreth]

Still hunting this down, went deep into the Crypt of Betrayal, where Woe and such are...Someone I met down here said they could also barely hear her, but they thought she was saying:"(I have ) A Question? What/will you have time to teach me (about Bertoxxulous)?"  There is more, hard to understand...The man replies:"The Truth"

[Arbreth]

Her:"...while invisible extracting with astonishment which I need not attempt to describe...""a strong and brief gust of wind pour off the encumbrant fog as if by the wand of an enchanter""answer me a question how am I to talk about a (?) accident with (?)"Still really unclear, they seem to shift as we sit here...Him:"The Truth"That is very clear.Other males?murmuring...Thank you to Yatsumi, Akamar & Corgibelle for listening with me!

[Wluil]

Hallelujah I'm not going crazy. I play with headphones on, and was running around down through there the other day to get the book of prophecies. I thought I was hearing something that sounded like voices, but since I usually have Ventrillo on my brain kind of phased it out as background chatter. Just without the annoying "WORNK" that Ventrillo makes. <div></div><div>I'll head down tomorrow and see what I can make out. I wonder if that's all been there since the start of the game? I also found the locked door in the spider room, with the weird shimmering gear doorknob. Couldn't get it to do anything, again figured it had something to do with an ancient quest long forgotten about. Not sure though, I kinda skipped over the whole catacombs thing back when I was the appropriate level.</div>

[RaphaNissi]

The prophecy about the contested lady under the waves has been boggling me the most.  I was wondering if maybe it referred to a ship and not a female.

[Wluil]

<cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>The prophecy about the contested lady under the waves has been boggling me the most.  I was wondering if maybe it referred to a ship and not a female.</blockquote>Hmm, you know I think you're on to something... does the Mudskipper sink at some point? I think it's the Mudskipper. Whatever they're currently flying around in.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Wluil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>The prophecy about the contested lady under the waves has been boggling me the most.  I was wondering if maybe it referred to a ship and not a female.</blockquote>Hmm, you know I think you're on to something... does the Mudskipper sink at some point? I think it's the Mudskipper. Whatever they're currently flying around in.</blockquote>The Cloudskipper.

[Katook]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wluil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>The prophecy about the contested lady under the waves has been boggling me the most.  I was wondering if maybe it referred to a ship and not a female.</blockquote>Hmm, you know I think you're on to something... does the Mudskipper sink at some point? I think it's the Mudskipper. Whatever they're currently flying around in.</blockquote>The Cloudskipper.</blockquote><p>A ship is a very distinct possibility.  It would make sense.  A couple other possibilities:</p><p> Veksar which is under the wave and does correspond with the release of these prophecies.  But of course that begs the question of what lady could be contested there.</p><p> Also Lysidia who is represented as a Mermaid and has been mentioned before as part of the Ethernaut Lore (the early stories about Twiddy).  the remnants of her shrine are on the starting island for Qeynos/Freeport.  But then I don't know why she would be contested either.  </p>

[Mynervia]

Wasn't Veksar some kind of pleasure/resort city?  The lady could be a historical reference -- either a person, place, or thing (like a ship) that featured there -- or a modern one -- a notable mob, a treasure, etc, 'contested' by the many seeking to loot/kill etc the recently rediscovered ruin.While it's meta-knoweldge, they've mentioned there will be two versions of Veksar - the one we now have access to, and another after the expansion goes live - and that they take place at two different times.  Seems to fit the theme.The only water we've touched on recently seems to be: Bayle's swim for the staff of Theer; the waters of the Temple of Life (the Seeress's origin story of cleansing the pool, and the holy fish leading us to this prophecy book); and the potentially-coincidental timing of Veksar's rediscovery.  Am I missing any?

[Elorah]

Wow!  You guys are amazing! I enjoy the lore, but I can never figure all of this out....

[Mynervia]

<cite>Katook wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Also Lysidia who is represented as a Mermaid and has been mentioned before as part of the Ethernaut Lore (the early stories about Twiddy). the remnants of her shrine are on the starting island for Qeynos/Freeport. But then I don't know why she would be contested either. </p></blockquote>The spelling is "Lasydia", at least for the questgiving ruined statue in the Isle's waters - minor detail, but should help anyone else searching log files and being puzzled by not finding anything, like I was :p

[KniteShayd]

<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">Rapha's guesses were pretty good.  This is what I thought...</span></span></span></p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">Tomb of the hound hides the prism of the timeless betrayer.</span></li></ul><p>Could this mean that The big Gnoll boss guy in DoF has the last egg Nagafen is searching for? Naggy was still searching for all his eggs right?</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans of vengance.</span></li></ul><p>Two things come to mind here. 1. Daughter and Prince make me think of Inny and Lanys. 2. Although they have not touched upon Lanys/Firiona, the words <i>Spurned, Daughter</i>, and <i>Prince</i> also make me think of a plot boiling within Neriak.  Perhaps the prince plans to do something to avenge his father?</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">The shrouded union of dead and dark doth stir a pot most turbulant.</span></li></ul><p>This is obviously referring to the void and the undead. And both their connection to Anashti.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">The contested lady under the waves guides those to growth.</span></li></ul><p>The word <i>contested</i> makes me think of a killable mod somewhere in the water.  It also makes me think of the lady who save Twiddy.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">Naught gone where others must follow to meet oblivion.</span></li></ul><p>I feel like this is referring to the Ethernauts, where they went, and where we will have to go.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung.</span></li></ul><p>This makes me think that a dragon somewhere has some secret knowledge.</p><p>The rest of the prophecies I have no clue about...</p>

[RaphaNissi]

I've been reading back through all the stories and had forgotten how much the Drafling knew and was involved.  It seems he was very aware of the destiny of the Ethernauts.  Could the "grip of claws" even refer to him?  How much does the strange creature really know?  I was also pondering on if the "contested lady" had anything to do with the ancient underwater city where Bayle found the staff and if that ancient city was the home of the race who became the shadowmen. 

[Mustang8259]

<ul><li>The shrouded union of dead and dark doth stir a pot most turbulant.</li></ul><p>This is obviously referring to the void and the undead. And both their connection to Anashti.                - Bandorn</p><hr /><p>Actually this makes me think perhaps Anashti Sul and Luclin have some sort of secret pact going on?  I mean isn't Luclin supposed to be the goddess</p><p>of darkness or something like that?  Or am I thinking of the wrong god/goddess?</p>

[RaphaNissi]

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><ul><li>The shrouded union of dead and dark doth stir a pot most turbulant.</li></ul><p>This is obviously referring to the void and the undead. And both their connection to Anashti.                - Bandorn</p><hr /><p>Actually this makes me think perhaps Anashti Sul and Luclin have some sort of secret pact going on?  I mean isn't Luclin supposed to be the goddess</p><p>of darkness or something like that?  Or am I thinking of the wrong god/goddess?</p></blockquote>She's the goddess of Shadow (not to be confused with shadowmen, void, etc..etc..)

[KniteShayd]

<cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><ul><li>The shrouded union of dead and dark doth stir a pot most turbulant.</li></ul><p>This is obviously referring to the void and the undead. And both their connection to Anashti.                - Bandorn</p><hr /><p>Actually this makes me think perhaps Anashti Sul and Luclin have some sort of secret pact going on?  I mean isn't Luclin supposed to be the goddess</p><p>of darkness or something like that?  Or am I thinking of the wrong god/goddess?</p></blockquote>She's the goddess of Shadow (not to be confused with shadowmen, void, etc..etc..)</blockquote><p>Yes, shadow as in obscure and secretive. No connection to the void.  </p><p>The dark, to me, refers to the void.  That is where Anashti was banished. and since Anashti is brought undeath to our world, that combo is very threatening. </p>

[KniteShayd]

<cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've been reading back through all the stories and had forgotten how much the Drafling knew and was involved.  It seems he was very aware of the destiny of the Ethernauts.  Could the "grip of claws" even refer to him?  How much does the strange creature really know?  I was also pondering on if the "contested lady" had anything to do with the ancient underwater city where Bayle found the staff and if that ancient city was the home of the race who became the shadowmen.  </blockquote><p>Makes a kind of sense considering the shadow beasts we fought have crabby claws.  Perhaps Anashti took them and corrupted them like Queen Christanos did with the Fae.</p><p>(I thought of that also, the drafling being referenced to the "claws".)</p>

[Theren]

I've been running around the down below areas for a while now and I'm just wondering if these voices are new? I don't remember them but never spent much time in the areas that they are most audible. Thanks!EDIT: Ran into a statue that is glowing at 14.32, 0.66, -115.82. Guess it's another "Did it always do that?" question.

[KniteShayd]

<cite>Theren@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've been running around the down below areas for a while now and I'm just wondering if these voices are new? I don't remember them but never spent much time in the areas that they are most audible.Thanks!EDIT: Ran into a statue that is glowing at 14.32, 0.66, -115.82. Guess it's another "Did it always do that?" question.</blockquote>Whispers have always been there. The first time I went down there and heard them I was like, "Whoah! What?! Creepy!".

[KniteShayd]

<p>Whoah! cool, I just noticed the Beta tag instead of Loremaster!</p><p>Woot!</p>

[valkry]

<cite>Mynervia@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wasn't Veksar some kind of pleasure/resort city?  The lady could be a historical reference -- either a person, <span style="color: #ff00ff;">place,</span> or thing (like a ship) that featured there -- or a modern one -- a notable mob, a treasure, etc, 'contested' by the many seeking to loot/kill etc the recently rediscovered ruin.</blockquote>Aye, while "Lady" could be a person or thing (ie ship), places do get refered to as being female or male in characteristics. Germany gets refered to as 'the fatherland,' we have 'Mother Russia' and American can be either male or female depending on if it is tied to 'Uncle Sam' or 'Lady Liberty' who are in accuality personifications of a place. The place might also be male or female based on the gender of the ruler, ie England and her Queen could be used interchangably, as could England and her King (in different periods of history).

[Dawnmeadow]

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Something else that might be of interest.  The last two pages in the book about the Seeress have been filled in.<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/2826219239_49f9a6f436_o.jpg" border="0" alt="" />So there IS an in-game hint.  ^_^And from the prophecies Cusathorn first found, anyone else think that "In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung" might refer to something the Claws of Veeshan/dragons in general might have?  The stories found in Trakanon's lair came to mind, though of course he's not part of the Claws.  Or is this just my dragon-obsession?</blockquote>Where is this book found? I seem to have missed it... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Mustang8259]

<cite>Dawnmeadow wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Something else that might be of interest.  The last two pages in the book about the Seeress have been filled in.<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/2826219239_49f9a6f436_o.jpg" border="0" alt="" />So there IS an in-game hint.  ^_^And from the prophecies Cusathorn first found, anyone else think that "In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung" might refer to something the Claws of Veeshan/dragons in general might have?  The stories found in Trakanon's lair came to mind, though of course he's not part of the Claws.  Or is this just my dragon-obsession?</blockquote>Where is this book found? I seem to have missed it... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>Forgive me if this has been explained somewhere else, but who or what is this "Weagleross" that is mentioned at the end?

[Arkenor]

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Forgive me if this has been explained somewhere else, but who or what is this "Weagleross" that is mentioned at the end?</blockquote>Filian Weagleross. <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=15887" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/s....shtml?id=15887</a>Used to hand out the newbie cleric armour quests. Of course, he's not looking so good these days.

[Wluil]

<cite>Maltheas@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Forgive me if this has been explained somewhere else, but who or what is this "Weagleross" that is mentioned at the end?</blockquote>Filian Weagleross. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=15887" target="_blank">http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/s....shtml?id=15887</a>Used to hand out the newbie cleric armour quests. Of course, he's not looking so good these days. </blockquote>Does that make it Weagleross' crypt that we find this book of final prophecies in? Or, is there more... perhaps to be revealed when that bloody orb gets full. (Crushbone has been at 30% for nearly a week)

[Astaer]

<cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've been reading back through all the stories and had forgotten how much the Drafling knew and was involved.  It seems he was very aware of the destiny of the Ethernauts.  Could the "grip of claws" even refer to him?  How much does the strange creature really know?  I was also pondering on if the "contested lady" had anything to do with the ancient underwater city where Bayle found the staff and if that ancient city was the home of the race who became the shadowmen.  </blockquote><p>I was wondering about a possible connection with the Drafling myself. In the early stories of Twiddy is explained, that he was saved by Lasydia, and she did so as a favor to the Drafling. It seems to me, the Drafling was well aware of the role Twiddy had to play, and had been trying to make sure he did. From the stories, he doesn't seem to have any concern for the other Ethernaughts though, at least not directly. </p><p>He tends to mumble stuff up in his Drafling tower. One of those mumblings refers to a dragon, or someone posing as a dragon, whom we never suspected to be one. It has happened before when dragons posed as humans/elves, etc. The "grip of claws" might refer to this dragon. Or it could refer to Trakanon, in whose layer we have discovered the writings of Eylee. </p><p>On another note, the "contested lady who guides those to growth", well, the contested part makes it seem like we are looking for something other than a person. Then again, Lasydia did rescue Twiddy as a baby, so that he could fulfill his destiny, and so could have "guided him to growth". Maybe if we ever meet her, she has a clue as to where we can find Twiddy's sunken ship, or where Bayle did get his staff of Theer from. </p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Wluil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maltheas@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Forgive me if this has been explained somewhere else, but who or what is this "Weagleross" that is mentioned at the end?</blockquote>Filian Weagleross. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=15887" target="_blank">http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/s....shtml?id=15887</a>Used to hand out the newbie cleric armour quests. Of course, he's not looking so good these days. </blockquote>Does that make it Weagleross' crypt that we find this book of final prophecies in? Or, is there more... perhaps to be revealed when that bloody orb gets full. (Crushbone has been at 30% for nearly a week)</blockquote>It's just where the book is found. It mentions that in the book itself.

[Lodrelhai]

<cite>Dawnmeadow wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Something else that might be of interest.  The last two pages in the book about the Seeress have been filled in.<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/2826219239_49f9a6f436_o.jpg" border="0" alt="" />So there IS an in-game hint.  ^_^And from the prophecies Cusathorn first found, anyone else think that "In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung" might refer to something the Claws of Veeshan/dragons in general might have?  The stories found in Trakanon's lair came to mind, though of course he's not part of the Claws.  Or is this just my dragon-obsession?</blockquote>Where is this book found? I seem to have missed it... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>When the Seeress was first declared the prophet of Rodcet Nife, there was that short quest to talk to some people and learn about her (both a Qeynos and Gorowyn version).  The book about her history was the reward, and the last two pages were blank.

[valkry]

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>When the Seeress was first declared the prophet of Rodcet Nife, there was that short quest to talk to some people and learn about her (both a Qeynos and Gorowyn version).  The book about her history was the reward, and the last two pages were blank.</blockquote>has anyone confirmed that the last two pages are the same, new text for good & evils? While it might not be likely from the game mechanics side to create a good and evil version, it's not impossible, and the evil side might have a different perspective on current events.

[Lodrelhai]

Yep, my SK did the evil version, and her book says the exact same thing.

[Jaradcel]

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Something else that might be of interest.  The last two pages in the book about the Seeress have been filled in.<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/2826219239_49f9a6f436_o.jpg" border="0" alt="" />So there IS an in-game hint.  ^_^And from the prophecies Cusathorn first found, anyone else think that "In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung" might refer to something the Claws of Veeshan/dragons in general might have?  The stories found in Trakanon's lair came to mind, though of course he's not part of the Claws.  Or is this just my dragon-obsession?</blockquote>Edit: So the quest is gone now I presume for this? *Just saw someone's answer to where the book came from* I know there's the bertoxx prophet, evdokia and another npc standing there, but I've done all the bertoxx quests and evdokia is only offering me bone chips. the other person does naught at all.

[Coniaric]

<p>The first book was introduced along with the Seeress a couple of updates ago where everything started rolling ... so, yes, it's unattainable now.</p>

[Chips]

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #333333;"></span></span></p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">The shrouded union of dead and dark doth stir a pot most turbulant.</span></li></ul><p>This is obviously referring to the void and the undead. And both their connection to Anashti.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">The contested lady under the waves guides those to growth.</span></li></ul></blockquote><p>my 2 cents:</p><p>on these two bullets above , the first i think , refers to the Overlord and Sul, in some sort of alliance or even battle.</p><p>the second , Veksar , alot of cultures refer to cities with a feminine gender, and if there is a time shift from now to "then" in the new</p><p>expansion it would make this city a rather important detail in the unraveling of events , therefore possibly fought over fiercely. </p>

[Jaradcel]

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The first book was introduced along with the Seeress a couple of updates ago where everything started rolling ... so, yes, it's unattainable now.</p></blockquote>Drats and durn it.Thanks Coniaric =X

[valkry]

<cite>Apsu@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;"></span></p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">The shrouded union of dead and dark doth stir a pot most turbulant.</span></li></ul><p>This is obviously referring to the void and the undead. And both their connection to Anashti.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">The contested lady under the waves guides those to growth.</span></li></ul></blockquote><p>my 2 cents:</p><p>on these two bullets above , the first i think , refers to the <span style="color: #ff0000;">Overlord</span> and Sul, in some sort of alliance or even battle.</p><p>the second , Veksar , alot of cultures refer to cities with a feminine gender, and if there is a time shift from now to "then" in the new</p><p>expansion it would make this city a rather important detail in the unraveling of events , therefore possibly fought over fiercely. </p></blockquote><p>Oh, PLEASE let this be true. Having the Overlord take back his position as one of the pivotal baddies would be able the only thing that could save this expansion for me. Sorry, I play the game because it is high fantasy. I don't want some mismash cross with alien life forms, and Matrix/X-files. (Pictures the old peanut butter cup ad... 'You got SciFi in my fantasy!')</p><p>So if the Overlord (everyone's favorite 500+ yr old Liche) is in some kind of alliance with Sul, that could bring back the ancient conflict with the Marrians. Mith needs a bit of help dealing with the combined Overlord/Sul faction... and gets kid sis, Erollisi to come back to help... Ok, I'm there. I can put up with the Sul/Void nonsense if we can get Erollisi back (and Prexus...he's intrest due for having to deal w/ the horrible horrible plot lines... we can find him when we get Odus back from the void).</p>

[Mustang8259]

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">Rapha's guesses were pretty good.  This is what I thought...</span></span></span></p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">Tomb of the hound hides the prism of the timeless betrayer.</span></li></ul><p>Could this mean that The big Gnoll boss guy in DoF has the last egg Nagafen is searching for? Naggy was still searching for all his eggs right?</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans of vengance.</span></li></ul><p>Two things come to mind here. 1. Daughter and Prince make me think of Inny and Lanys. 2. Although they have not touched upon Lanys/Firiona, the words <i>Spurned, Daughter</i>, and <i>Prince</i> also make me think of a plot boiling within Neriak.  Perhaps the prince plans to do something to avenge his father?</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">The shrouded union of dead and dark doth stir a pot most turbulant.</span></li></ul><p>This is obviously referring to the void and the undead. And both their connection to Anashti.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">The contested lady under the waves guides those to growth.</span></li></ul><p>The word <i>contested</i> makes me think of a killable mod somewhere in the water.  It also makes me think of the lady who save Twiddy.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">Naught gone where others must follow to meet oblivion.</span></li></ul><p>I feel like this is referring to the Ethernauts, where they went, and where we will have to go.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff99cc;">In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung.</span></li></ul><p>This makes me think that a dragon somewhere has some secret knowledge.</p><p>The rest of the prophecies I have no clue about...</p></blockquote><p>Here's my takes on these:</p><ul><li><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Tomb of the hound hides the prism of the timeless betrayer.</span></span></li></ul><p>I believe this refers to the tomb of Illisia Iceheart, called the Hound of Zek from The Heart of the Hound story.  Which brings up 2 more questions:</p><p>Where is her tomb? And what is this prism the prophecy is refering to?</p><ul><li><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans of vengance.</span></span></li></ul><p>I think the spurned daughter is the Ethernaut Asharae, and that Roadyle will be leading her down the wrong path sometime soon in these stories.</p><p>(I just get that nagging feeling that Roadyle is not who he seems to be).</p><ul><li><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">The shrouded union of dead and dark doth stir a pot most turbulant.</span></span></li></ul><p>Everyone seems to be content to believe this refers solely to Anashti Sul, I however still think she has to have support from somewhere to be pulling</p><p>off an invasion from the void.  Could be anyone, Bertoxxulous (Just wanting to cause trouble), maybe Luclin (Being annoyed at returning back to her moon</p><p>being nothing more than a giant flaming fireball), or any other of the other evil deities looking to stir up trouble.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">The contested lady under the waves guides those to growth.</span></span></li></ul><p>I think this definitly refers to Veksar.  As someone previously posted, cities have a habit of being refered to by "him/her."  And as we find out from our recent</p><p>adventures down into Veksar that it's currently being "contested" for by the goblins and yah-lei for control.  Which would bring up my next questions: How is it</p><p>that Veksar "guides those to growth"?  I think we'll see more of this when the full dungeon is released in The Shadow Odyssey.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Naught gone where others must follow to meet oblivion.</span></span></li></ul><p>I agree with previous assessments of this one.  I think it simply states we'll be following in the Ethernauts footsteps to uncovering the mysteries of (and possibly</p><p>traveling to) the Void at some future point in time.</p><ul><li><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung.</span></span></li></ul><p>I believe this one simply refers to the stories/songs/poems/whatever that we found in "the grip of claws" of Trakanon in VP.  Things "<i>From the pen of Eylee Zephyrswell"</i></p><p>that never made it to being printed or spread across Norrath because of whatever happened to the Ethernauts.  (And maybe the fact that the stories ended up in</p><p>the possesion of one really nasty dragon =P)</p><p>AGAIN these are just my own theories that i decided to post for people to think about and possibly shoot full of holes if something isn't supported by</p><p>the lore we've found so far.</p>

[KniteShayd]

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><ul><li><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Naught gone where others must follow to meet oblivion.</span></span></li></ul><p>I agree with previous assessments of this one.  I think it simply states we'll be following in the Ethernauts footsteps to uncovering the mysteries of (and possibly</p><p>traveling to) the Void at some future point in time.</p></blockquote>We <i>will</i> be going to the void.  We saw previews of the zone at FF.  Only way I can describe it is: cosmic.

[Lodrelhai]

One problem with the "spurned daughter" prophecy refering th Asharae - it's a prophecy, a future-telling, and the Ethernauts tale is millenia in the past.

[dragontamer619]

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Here's my takes on these:</p><ul><li><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Tomb of the hound hides the prism of the timeless betrayer.</span></span></li></ul><p>I believe this refers to the tomb of Illisia Iceheart, called the Hound of Zek from The Heart of the Hound story.  Which brings up 2 more questions:</p><p>Where is her tomb? And what is this prism the prophecy is refering to?</p></blockquote>Wouldn't the prism be the one Illisia cracked with her bow chasing the lovers?  She kept part of the shard from what I recall.  She is a betrayer and being in the void makes her timeless.  To me that makes sense, the rest I have no idea about.  LOL.

[Mustang8259]

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>One problem with the "spurned daughter" prophecy refering th Asharae - it's a prophecy, a future-telling, and the Ethernauts tale is millenia in the past.</blockquote><hr /><p>Good point, I hadn't thought of it that way, in which case I give up on this particular prophecy, I admit to not knowing much about Neriak lore which I think</p><p>a couple previous posters think has something to do with this one.</p>

[Nole]

Couldn't the contested lady under the sea be the outpost Firiona Vie?

[Indy_Mouse_9]

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>One problem with the "spurned daughter" prophecy refering th Asharae - it's a prophecy, a future-telling, and the Ethernauts tale is millenia in the past.</blockquote><hr /><p>Good point, I hadn't thought of it that way, in which case I give up on this particular prophecy, I admit to not knowing much about Neriak lore which I think</p><p>a couple previous posters think has something to do with this one.</p></blockquote>Well, the second page of the new book with the final prophecies says: "The hidden and that which is to come."So I supposed part of the prophecies would refer to the Ethernauts (the hidden bit) and the rest... well... to other stuff <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[TaleraRis]

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><ul><li><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Naught gone where others must follow to meet oblivion.</span></span></li></ul><p>I agree with previous assessments of this one. I think it simply states we'll be following in the Ethernauts footsteps to uncovering the mysteries of (and possibly</p><p>traveling to) the Void at some future point in time.</p></blockquote>We <i>will</i> be going to the void. We saw previews of the zone at FF. Only way I can describe it is: cosmic.</blockquote>Were those definite EQ2 previews? Because EQ1's entire expansion revolves around going to the Void to prevent events from happening that lead to the destruction of Norrath.

[KniteShayd]

<p>Yes, there may be FF video on a site somewhere. They gave the preview as they were doing zone previews. I'm willing to bet it will be the last zone preview on eq2players before launch. If not, all the better.</p><p>The dev that was narrating was talking about how much of an inhospitable place it is to be in. </p><p>Like I said, cosmic is the best way I can describe it as the sky kinda looked like space.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>I might be stating the obvious at this point (too lazy to re-read the thread), but the last prophecy: "The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans for vengeance."</p><p>Yeah this one seems pretty obvious that Innoruuk, the Prince of Hate, is planning to ex-communicate a Dark Elf.</p>

[Lodrelhai]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I might be stating the obvious at this point (too lazy to re-read the thread), but the last prophecy: "The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans for vengeance."</p><p>Yeah this one seems pretty obvious that Innoruuk, the Prince of Hate, is planning to ex-communicate a Dark Elf.</p></blockquote>Or take action against one who's more-or-less ex-communicated herself.  Say, a certain queen and self-proclaimed new Goddess to her people?There was a lore story about her when the Shard of Hate opening quests went live, wasn't there?  Just because the Void is the big storyline for the next expansion, doesn't mean there aren't other events in the making.

[KniteShayd]

<cite>Aiya@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Couldn't the contested lady under the sea be the outpost Firiona Vie?</blockquote><p>/gasp!</p><p>I forgot about that place!</p><p>Good catch.</p>

[RaphaNissi]

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I might be stating the obvious at this point (too lazy to re-read the thread), but the last prophecy: "The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans for vengeance."</p><p>Yeah this one seems pretty obvious that Innoruuk, the Prince of Hate, is planning to ex-communicate a Dark Elf.</p></blockquote>Or take action against one who's more-or-less ex-communicated herself.  Say, a certain queen and self-proclaimed new Goddess to her people?There was a lore story about her when the Shard of Hate opening quests went live, wasn't there?  Just because the Void is the big storyline for the next expansion, doesn't mean there aren't other events in the making.</blockquote>This could also refer to Prince Talvus, Queen Cristanos' son.  The fate of the spurned daughter part could refer to what happened to Asharae and the Scryona (who knows, maybe she became consumed and taken over by Scryona).  Prince Talvus has plenty of reason for revenge against his mom since she had his dad assassinated and tried to assassinate Talvus as well.Oh, is this the piece of lore referred to?<a href="http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=website&wid=101" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> The Shard of Hate and Neriak Document</a>

[WeatherMan]

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Chronia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>irish wrote:</cite><blockquote>Evils can do the quest they just neeed to sneak in to do it.</blockquote>And what about those classes that don't have a sneak ability? I lag really hard too so even doing it visible gets me killed. I'd prefer if there was an "evil" equivalent, would just make things simpler.</blockquote>This is the path to the Temple of Life I used for my lvl 5 Arasai when she wanted to help cure the plague:Take the Antonica > Peat Bog > Vermin Snye > Down Below > North Qeynos route.Once in NQ, there's a bit of a ledge on the barrier wall between NQ/SQ, hop onto that, from there onto the moat wall, and into the moat.Swim to the other end of the moat, staying close to the castle wall side of the moat, since one of the platforms has a guard on it.Climb out at the last platform. Jump the wall at the top to the grass on the other side (standing on the slightly raised post at the edge of the walkway helps with this).Once on the grassy area, follow the wall until you're a few yard from the entrance to the Temple of Life. WAIT there until Captain Penly goes down the stairs and back up - he's a lvl 80 epic x4 and he rides all the way down to the edge of the water. You don't want to head down until you are sure he's not down there.After Penley comes back up, he circles NQ - takes about 10 minutes. This gives you plenty of time to go down, grab a fish, release it again, and follow the same path back to the Down Below entrance.</blockquote>Ahhh...excellent!Thank you for this - most helpful.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Pentarum]

Shrouded union of Death and Dark.... Overlord (Lich/undead).. We had a whole thing going about his right hand betraying him and she was the one who created the illusion that now cloaks him in human form. Also go to NFP and go up top of the mages.. There is a new book that glows against a wall that has a spell to break powerfull Illusions (oh come on like you cant see that comming). If you try and touch the book a NPC yells at you saying the book is forbidden and only the Overlord may touch it. "Dead" or "Dark" Could also refer to Mayong. We've known for some time now that he knows alot more about whats in store from us than he will tell us. When you go into the solo throneroom instance to claim soulfire and you have Lucan and Mayong (in disguise) there and he tells you hints about something big is comming but he says he cant tell you what yet. But he also kinda pushes you in the right direction for his own gain.The spurned daughter and princely qoute... Inny's daughter, or the Queen. Since Inny's children are the dark elves and she has pretty much gone on a insane powertrip. Inny is the "Prince of Hate".. has to be. Inny's daughter was Spurned too wasnt she. She tried to kill her father permanantly and got banished for it didnt she?The forbidden 2... Ulk and Zeb.

[Wluil]

<cite>Pentarum wrote:</cite><blockquote>Shrouded union of Death and Dark.... Overlord (Lich/undead).. We had a whole thing going about his right hand betraying him and she was the one who created the illusion that now cloaks him in human form. Also go to NFP and go up top of the mages.. There is a new book that glows against a wall that has a spell to break powerfull Illusions (oh come on like you cant see that comming). If you try and touch the book a NPC yells at you saying the book is forbidden and only the Overlord may touch it. </blockquote> The book is part of the Illusionist epic. There's a counterpart to it within the SQ mage tower. I've not done the epic, as I'm not an Illy and so don't know the lore behind the books either.

[Soul Crusher]

The audible whispering of the girl in the down below is this**I have a question about the topic which regards to the whole accident with Ealayna**This leads me to believe that being in a place of such holy worship and such strong ties to rodcet nife that we actually hear a conversation she is having which another god, but which god as to the second voice we hear which says**The Truth**Could she be talking to Innoruuk?, its a stretch but inny is the god of hate and he of all beings would know who would be so spiteful towards one of rodcet nifes own priestess's to go to such great length's to get her killed ( I bring up inny because if you talk to Queen Cristanos she sounds like she has the voice of a god bellowing over her's as if she is not of her own anymore, but of a puppet, as such all events are unfolding out to be we are all puppets in a greater scheme unfolding with each expansion)Or it could just be the Tribunal she speaks to as they are the 9 of Judgement, and see all happenings within norrath

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Indalecio@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>The audible whispering of the girl in the down below is this**I have a question about the topic which regards to the whole accident with Ealayna**This leads me to believe that being in a place of such holy worship and such strong ties to rodcet nife that we actually hear a conversation she is having which another god, but which god as to the second voice we hear which says**The Truth**Could she be talking to Innoruuk?, its a stretch but inny is the god of hate and he of all beings would know who would be so spiteful towards one of rodcet nifes own priestess's to go to such great length's to get her killed ( I bring up inny because if you talk to Queen Cristanos she sounds like she has the voice of a god bellowing over her's as if she is not of her own anymore, but of a puppet, as such all events are unfolding out to be we are all puppets in a greater scheme unfolding with each expansion)Or it could just be the Tribunal she speaks to as they are the 9 of Judgement, and see all happenings within norrath</blockquote>The Tribunal is 6 members, not 9.

[Soul Crusher]

Your correct, i was up a bit late, im mixing partial lore with something else, now what the heck has 9 members.... anyways now that im awake its actually 7 members of the tribunal, 6 pass judgement which are the supreme judges, while 1 acts as baliff to the counsel, the 7th hammerAnyways back to the subject at hand, any news for books 1 - 2?

[BleemTeam]

<p><cite>Pentarum wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Shrouded union of Death and Dark.... Overlord (Lich/undead).. We had a whole thing going about his right hand betraying him and she was the one who created the illusion that now cloaks him in human form. Also go to NFP and go up top of the mages.. There is a new book that glows against a wall that has a spell to break powerfull Illusions (oh come on like you cant see that comming). If you try and touch the book a NPC yells at you saying the book is forbidden and only the Overlord may touch it. "Dead" or "Dark" Could also refer to Mayong. We've known for some time now that he knows alot more about whats in store from us than he will tell us. When you go into the solo throneroom instance to claim soulfire and you have Lucan and Mayong (in disguise) there and he tells you hints about something big is comming but he says he cant tell you what yet. But he also kinda pushes you in the right direction for his own gain.The spurned daughter and princely qoute... Inny's daughter, or the Queen. Since Inny's children are the dark elves and she has pretty much gone on a insane powertrip. Inny is the "Prince of Hate".. has to be. Inny's daughter was Spurned too wasnt she. She tried to kill her father permanantly and got banished for it didnt she?The forbidden 2... Ulk and Zeb.</blockquote><p>Necro, ya ya.... Funny to read this guys opening line.</p>

[Sydares]

<p>*Chaos and mourning rules when the sword resides where the heart should be. <strong>Shard of Love event</strong>*The contested lady under the waves guides those to growth. <strong>Firiona Vie's return</strong>*The shrouded union of dead and dark doth stir a pot most turbulent. <strong>Anashti and the Void</strong>*Naught gone where others must follow to meet oblivion. <strong>Following the Ethernauts' footsteps</strong>*In the grip of claws are songs of truth and guidance never sung. <strong>Eylee's writings held by Trakanon.</strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">*Though the moons may glow beautifully, it is the sun that grants them their shine.</span>*The tomb of the hound hides the prism of a timeless betrayer. <strong>Miragul's Prism</strong>*The secret crypt of the hand of Enoxus leads to the fallen three. <strong>Referring to the Sentinel's Fate prelude Claymore.</strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">*The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans of vengeance.</span></p><p>Though the rest of Book Three seems to have been covered so far by in-game events, the remaining two are still baffling me.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">*Though the moons may glow beautifully, it is the sun that grants them their shine.</span>*The tomb of the hound hides the prism of a timeless betrayer. <strong>Miragul's Prism</strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">Wut?</span> <span style="color: #3366ff;">Seriously. What? You're going to have to explain this one to me, and how this has anything to do with a tomb of a hound. I get the timeless betrayer part.</span><span style="color: #ff0000;">*The fate of a spurned daughter is threatened with princely plans of vengeance.</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">Prince Talvus is plotting revenge with the Thexians to take back Neriak and get rid of Christanos.</span></p></blockquote>

[Sydares]

<p><cite></cite></p><blockquote><p><cite><a href="http://www.eq2ad.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=170659&TabID=1444603&ForumID=804271&TopicID=7566976" target="_blank">Ozymundas1</a> wrote:</cite></p><p>Illisia Iceheart was a barbarian hunter so skilled that she was known as the Hound of Zek.  She was employed by the barbarians of Koldwynd to seek out and murder Erasmus, Prince of Wintal Syd who had run off with the princess of Koldwynd, Unna.  (think Romeo and Juliet here).  The lovers ran off to proclaim their love and marriage before an artifact known as the Eternal Prism, some sort of crystal that barbarians held to be sacred.  As the lovers approached the Prism, Illisia shot her bow intending to hit the Prince, but instead hit the Eternal Prism which cracked and broke off a shard.  As the Prism cracked, all three were teleported to an unknown place (I submit Miragul’s Menagerie) where they were approached by a Visitor (imo Miragul) described as a “dark old man all in robes.”  He began to attack them with spells.  Illisia then heard the voice of Erollisi Marr whisper to her, “Go forth, my champion, go forth and drive he who dare harms my children back from whence he arrived.”  The Prince and Princess were easily subdued by the Visitor but Illisia managed to touch the shard of the Prism to the Prism itself and they were teleported back out.  Illisia then cared for the Prince and Princess, escorted them south to the Karanas (where all three took the surname Marsheart) and she began a new life as “daughter of Erollisi.”</p></blockquote><p>Tl;dr: Illisia Iceheart was in Miragul's Prism, and due to her epiphany, that is where 'The Hound of Zek' ceased to be. The tomb of the idea 'The Hound of Zek' is Miragul's Prism - the tomb of the hound.</p><p>Guess that leaves the ominous and incredibly vague Moon and Sun.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Oh yes that's right. That poem they revealed during Erollisi Day a few years back. Ok now it's coming back to me, and makes enough sense.</p>