Uncontested Avoidance Cap and Shield Ally

[Yimway]

My understanding the uncontested avoidance cap is at 50%.What I'm having trouble finding is, is this my personal cap, and will shield ally stack with that?I'm at 43% now, my cleric is giving me about another ~12% from shield ally.  Am I going to continue to see benefit moving up from 43% or are we at the cap already from the combined buffs?Would certain affect my gear upgrades going forward understanding how the cap is applied.

[Meauvena]

<p>Shield Ally doesn't Combine/Add to your avoidance.</p><p>It's a check after your avoidance has failed.</p>

[JAFO74]

<p>How are you figuring out your uncontested avoidance? I am just curious. If I figure mine out by just adding it comes up to:</p><p>14.5% shield block</p><p>6% parry adornments</p><p>3% riposte adornment</p><p>3% parry cloak</p><p>8% sta line</p><p>1% riposte yhai lei armguards</p><p>1% parry fabled RE2 wrist</p><p>Total 36.5% right there, add 5% shield block for class helm, and 3% parry for class shoulders takes you to 44.5%. Add 4.4% for parry food/drink and you are very near your stated cap with easy to obtain gear with a buckler.</p><p>I don't think the calculation within the game is a bulk addition of all that though so that is likely not an accurate way to figure it out. Also where has it been stated that 50% uncontested is the cap. I am curious on this also as it seems that it would not be too hard to reach and would cause me to reevaluate my gear choices going forward if it was true. Bear in mind this is as a berserker using a buckler, must be even easier to reach 50% as a guardian wearing a tower shield...</p><p> Sikdom</p>

[Rahatmattata]

I'm not so sure you can just add up uncontested avoid like that. I don't know all the facts about the details of eq2 combat mechanics, and I also forget and don't care to take the time to look up what checks are first because it doesn't matter for this, so someone who does feel free to correct me if I get it wrong, but my understanding is...If I have some made up stats like:20% block (shield)8% riposte (AA)3% riposte (1h adorn)1% block (shield adorn)3% parry (wrist)3% parry (wrist)It may look like I have 38% uncontested, but since I think they are each checked 1 at a time in a particular order, I'm not so sure the math just adds up like that.Another way to look at it...Using same stats I made upIf mob swings at me 100 times20 of those swings were blocked with shield.So, only the 80 swings that didn't get blocked will get the 8% riposte check. With 8% riposte, I will riposte 8 out of 100 swings. Since I only have 80 swings to check riposte, I will riposte 8 of them or maybe none at all. If given 100 swings, 8 will be riposted, but which 8? Possibly swings number 86, 89, 92, 93, 95, 96, 98, and 99. But since I have only 80 swings that didn't already get blocked, I didn't get to riposte them. Maybe even a couple of the swings I would have riposted had already rolled success on the first block check.So I have avoided between 20 and 28 of 100 attacks and each attack goes through this process (IMO) moving onto further checks as each avoid check fails in turn. You can see how just adding up the % values on your gear starts to break up at this point.I also may be completly wrong about how things work and have no clue what I'm talking about.

[JAFO74]

<cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not so sure you can just add up uncontested avoid like that. I don't know all the facts about the details of eq2 combat mechanics, and I also forget and don't care to take the time to look up what checks are first because it doesn't matter for this, so someone who does feel free to correct me if I get it wrong, but my understanding is...If I have some made up stats like:20% block (shield)8% riposte (AA)3% riposte (1h adorn)1% block (shield adorn)3% parry (wrist)3% parry (wrist)It may look like I have 38% uncontested, but since I think they are each checked 1 at a time in a particular order, I'm not so sure the math just adds up like that.Another way to look at it...Using same stats I made upIf mob swings at me 100 times20 of those swings were blocked with shield.So, only the 80 swings that didn't get blocked will get the 8% riposte check. With 8% riposte, I will riposte 8 out of 100 swings. Since I only have 80 swings to check riposte, I will riposte 8 of them or maybe none at all. If given 100 swings, 8 will be riposted, but which 8? Possibly swings number 86, 89, 92, 93, 95, 96, 98, and 99. But since I have only 80 swings that didn't already get blocked, I didn't get to riposte them. Maybe even a couple of the swings I would have riposted had already rolled success on the first block check.So I have avoided between 20 and 28 of 100 attacks and each attack goes through this process (IMO) moving onto further checks as each avoid check fails in turn. You can see how just adding up the % values on your gear starts to break up at this point.I also may be completly wrong about how things work and have no clue what I'm talking about.</blockquote><p>That is what I am saying, i was wondering how he could have accurately figured out this uncontested avoidance %. Avoidance works just as you stated. Whatever makes it through the first check makes a rolll against the second check, etc on down. they are not calculated simultaneously. You don't add all your avoidances up to get your bulk avoidance. Same should work with contested.</p><p>Block is block of course, Riposte % seems to add to base, Parry% seems to add to parry.</p><p> Sikdom</p>

[Wilin]

<cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>My understanding the uncontested avoidance cap is at 50%.What I'm having trouble finding is, is this my personal cap, and will shield ally stack with that?I'm at 43% now, my cleric is giving me about another ~12% from shield ally.  Am I going to continue to see benefit moving up from 43% or are we at the cap already from the combined buffs?Would certain affect my gear upgrades going forward understanding how the cap is applied.</blockquote><p>Do you have a reference for the 50% cap? I've never heard that before and I follow the mechanics pretty closely. Is that somethig that came out in the past week or so?</p><p>Also as others have said, we don't know exactly how uncontested avoidance is combined so putting a simple cap on it doesn't make much sense. If I have 7 uncontested avoidance checks that happen in progression, how do you cap that for an overall chance to avoid? Mathematically, it can be done, but what a pain.</p><p>This reminds me of the hate gain and hate xfer caps. We were told the cap was 50% on each but never was it explained how to calculate that number. And then there is that whole problem with a miracle that increases hate gain by 100%...</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<cite>Wilin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>This reminds me of the hate gain and hate xfer caps. We were told the cap was 50% on each but never was it explained how to calculate that number. And then there is that whole problem with a miracle that increases hate gain by 100%...</blockquote>Sort of like reflexes and tsunami give 100% uncontested avoid.

[YummiOger]

<p> Sheild Ally abilities do not stack with personal stats of the target. it is a After calculation on a fail aviodance check.</p><p>there is no cap on uncontested aviodance. also they are counted seperatly in the eq2 mechanics.</p><p>If a monk has 16% uncontested parry and then use Tsunami = 116% but >100% = overkill </p>

[Undorett]

<cite>JAFO74 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How are you figuring out your uncontested avoidance? I am just curious. If I figure mine out by just adding it comes up to:</p><p>14.5% shield block</p><p>6% parry adornments</p><p>3% riposte adornment</p><p>3% parry cloak</p><p>8% sta line</p><p>1% riposte yhai lei armguards</p><p>1% parry fabled RE2 wrist</p><p>Total 36.5% right there, add 5% shield block for class helm, and 3% parry for class shoulders takes you to 44.5%. Add 4.4% for parry food/drink and you are very near your stated cap with easy to obtain gear with a buckler.</p><p>I don't think the calculation within the game is a bulk addition of all that though so that is likely not an accurate way to figure it out. Also where has it been stated that 50% uncontested is the cap. I am curious on this also as it seems that it would not be too hard to reach and would cause me to reevaluate my gear choices going forward if it was true. Bear in mind this is as a berserker using a buckler, must be even easier to reach 50% as a guardian wearing a tower shield...</p><p> Sikdom</p></blockquote><p>Fyreflyte has said in a previous post how items like this stack.  I believe he said it about stoneskin, but the math is as follows:</p><p>Base chance to hit with no avoid 100</p><p>Shield block 14.5% (brings the base chance to 85.5)</p><p>Parry adorn 3% (brings the base chance to 82.94)</p><p>Parry adorn 3% (brings the base chance to 80.45)</p><p>Reposte adorn 3% (brings the base chance to 78.03)</p><p>Sta line parry 8% (brings the base chance to 71.07)</p><p>Reposte from Yhai Lei arms 1% (brings the base chance to 71.07)</p><p>Parry from fabled RE2 wrist 1% (brings the base chance to 70.36)</p><p>For the math, it does not matter what order you apply these.  With this setup your overall "uncontested" avoidance would be 100-70.36, or 29.64%.  Reposte is a subset of parry, you can only reposte if you parry something first; however, if you add reposte % to something, it increases both your base chance to reposte as well as your base parry chance.  I believe its common knowledge that avoidance is checked in the order Parry(Reposte) then Block then base avoidance.  After it checks all your avoidance checks, it will then check them for any fighter or cleric that may have their avoidance placed upon you in the same orders.  Then last it will do a stoneskin check on you (this is why if you ahve a stoneskin proc up in maintained as well as your block ability from the far right of the guardian tree, it will normally pull down the block icon before the stoneskin icon).  If you do an avoidance report in ACT you can see kinda see this because your dodging will be the lowest number and if you did not check parry first, you would almost never see a reposte.  </p><p> I have never heard of an uncontested avoidance cap, only a hard cap of avoidance that is 75% (which would include both contested and uncontested avoidance).  The OP's question has been answered already, but to reiterate yes you will see a benifit and have another fighter throw theirs on you as well.  The last avoidance check I looked at was a failed attempt on Druushk to see if both the cleric and monk were avoiding for me (and they were...stupid double attack got me) and the ACT report said I had avoided 65ish% of the incoming attacks (which also included some stoneskin procs, so it is a bit off).</p><p>Rett</p>