Major Equipment issues

[Wigg]

<p>Ok, starting this thread because i am leveling up a templar for guild on my server.  Anyway, i get to lvl 60 and i realize man.. i have some pretty decent equipment with all my +heal buffs (this character like all mine were made pre-RoK).   So, Since the guild i am trying to join is needing a raiding templar like.. now.. i am leveling my guy as fast as possible.  Now, one issue i have run in to is very EXTREMELY Frustrating.  I have raided Labs and many other T7 zones countless times.  Guild decided to run it about 5 times and just grab some equipment for our alts (this was also before they fixed the 1-59 equipment).  Now i have the issue of... My templar is lvl 66.  He has about 3 fabled items obtained from lvl 70 epic x4s that is equal to IF NOT LESS THAN quest armor obtained in RoK.  Now i will admit that my temp obtained some of it unfair, (conjuror raided temp got the drops), but this is something that is completely messed up.  Fabled < Treasured??  When are the lvl 60-70 old world items going to be brought up to par with RoK items??  These were items that needed the upgrade even above the lvl 1-59 items!!!</p><p> Also, The game still has lvl 55 epic x4s dropping lvl 40 fabled items with no extra stats.   Its like the development crew decided to fix all the treasured but skipped all fabled.  Either way.. the game is slightly out of balance when a person who is just blasting their way through in treasured gear and someone who has actually raided and grouped like the game was intended for has a hard time.</p><p>PLEASE respond to this post as much as possible with your opinion on these things so we can atleast go one way or another with it, because it looks like the dervs think everything is now balanced equipment wise.</p>

[Yimway]

Welcome to RoK and Hartsman's Legacy.A number of us posted these issues at RoK release, T7 fabled being grossly under powered vs lvl 72 treasured in RoK.I can see with the revamp of quest gear 1-70 now, that the raid gear t3-t7 is totally worthless now.  Certainly it needs checking, but I wont hold my breath.

[Killerbee3000]

<cite>Wraths wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok, starting this thread because i am leveling up a templar for guild on my server.  Anyway, i get to lvl 60 and i realize man.. i have some pretty decent equipment with all my +heal buffs (this character like all mine were made pre-RoK).   So, Since the guild i am trying to join is needing a raiding templar like.. now.. i am leveling my guy as fast as possible.  Now, one issue i have run in to is very EXTREMELY Frustrating.  I have raided Labs and many other T7 zones countless times.  Guild decided to run it about 5 times and just grab some equipment for our alts (this was also before they fixed the 1-59 equipment).  Now i have the issue of... My templar is lvl 66.  He has about 3 fabled items obtained from lvl 70 epic x4s that is equal to IF NOT LESS THAN quest armor obtained in RoK.  Now i will admit that my temp obtained some of it unfair, (conjuror raided temp got the drops), but this is something that is completely messed up.  Fabled < Treasured??  When are the lvl 60-70 old world items going to be brought up to par with RoK items??  These were items that needed the upgrade even above the lvl 1-59 items!!!</p><p> Also, The game still has lvl 55 epic x4s dropping lvl 40 fabled items with no extra stats.   Its like the development crew decided to fix all the treasured but skipped all fabled.  Either way.. the game is slightly out of balance when a person who is just blasting their way through in treasured gear and someone who has actually raided and grouped like the game was intended for has a hard time.</p><p>PLEASE respond to this post as much as possible with your opinion on these things so we can atleast go one way or another with it, because it looks like the dervs think everything is now balanced equipment wise.</p></blockquote><p>have you ever counted the items in the game that need to be changed?</p><p>its a lot, a dev (fyreflye the item dev) said that the others will get revamped at some point,  but that he coudnt do all at once.</p><p>soe knows the problem, fix is in the works, eta = when its done.</p><p>that said, it cant happen soon enough in my opinion as raid dropped stuff being worse than treasured of the same level (yes, its that bad at low levels) is seriously wrong.</p>

[RanmaBoyType]

<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wraths wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok, starting this thread because i am leveling up a templar for guild on my server.  Anyway, i get to lvl 60 and i realize man.. i have some pretty decent equipment with all my +heal buffs (this character like all mine were made pre-RoK).   So, Since the guild i am trying to join is needing a raiding templar like.. now.. i am leveling my guy as fast as possible.  Now, one issue i have run in to is very EXTREMELY Frustrating.  I have raided Labs and many other T7 zones countless times.  Guild decided to run it about 5 times and just grab some equipment for our alts (this was also before they fixed the 1-59 equipment).  Now i have the issue of... My templar is lvl 66.  He has about 3 fabled items obtained from lvl 70 epic x4s that is equal to IF NOT LESS THAN quest armor obtained in RoK.  Now i will admit that my temp obtained some of it unfair, (conjuror raided temp got the drops), but this is something that is completely messed up.  Fabled < Treasured??  When are the lvl 60-70 old world items going to be brought up to par with RoK items??  These were items that needed the upgrade even above the lvl 1-59 items!!!</p><p> Also, The game still has lvl 55 epic x4s dropping lvl 40 fabled items with no extra stats.   Its like the development crew decided to fix all the treasured but skipped all fabled.  Either way.. the game is slightly out of balance when a person who is just blasting their way through in treasured gear and someone who has actually raided and grouped like the game was intended for has a hard time.</p><p>PLEASE respond to this post as much as possible with your opinion on these things so we can atleast go one way or another with it, because it looks like the dervs think everything is now balanced equipment wise.</p></blockquote><p>have you ever counted the items in the game that need to be changed?</p><p>its a lot, a dev (fyreflye the item dev) said that the others will get revamped at some point,  but that he coudnt do all at once.</p><p>soe knows the problem, fix is in the works, eta = when its done.</p><p><span style="font-size: small;"><b>that said, it cant happen soon enough in my opinion as raid dropped stuff being worse than treasure of the same level (yes, its that bad at low levels) is seriously wrong.</b></span></p></blockquote><p>I think she is complaining that the raid dropped items in t7 are worse than the quested items in t8 /shrug who the [Removed for Content] cares, your in t7 for such a little time, just get to 72 get your mc, and its not an issue anymore.</p>

[thajo]

Well its a good thing you stated your lvling up the templar as fast as you can cause a raid guild needs you.  Once you get into that raid guild i'm certain this issue wont bug you.But yes it is wild.  I saw a lvl 30 robe with like +10/+15 spell damage.  It's funny to think how many mages would have been wearing that in EoF if it existed.

[Wigg]

<cite>RanmaBoyType wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wraths wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok, starting this thread because i am leveling up a templar for guild on my server.  Anyway, i get to lvl 60 and i realize man.. i have some pretty decent equipment with all my +heal buffs (this character like all mine were made pre-RoK).   So, Since the guild i am trying to join is needing a raiding templar like.. now.. i am leveling my guy as fast as possible.  Now, one issue i have run in to is very EXTREMELY Frustrating.  I have raided Labs and many other T7 zones countless times.  Guild decided to run it about 5 times and just grab some equipment for our alts (this was also before they fixed the 1-59 equipment).  Now i have the issue of... My templar is lvl 66.  He has about 3 fabled items obtained from lvl 70 epic x4s that is equal to IF NOT LESS THAN quest armor obtained in RoK.  Now i will admit that my temp obtained some of it unfair, (conjuror raided temp got the drops), but this is something that is completely messed up.  Fabled < Treasured??  When are the lvl 60-70 old world items going to be brought up to par with RoK items??  These were items that needed the upgrade even above the lvl 1-59 items!!!</p><p> Also, The game still has lvl 55 epic x4s dropping lvl 40 fabled items with no extra stats.   Its like the development crew decided to fix all the treasured but skipped all fabled.  Either way.. the game is slightly out of balance when a person who is just blasting their way through in treasured gear and someone who has actually raided and grouped like the game was intended for has a hard time.</p><p>PLEASE respond to this post as much as possible with your opinion on these things so we can atleast go one way or another with it, because it looks like the dervs think everything is now balanced equipment wise.</p></blockquote><p>have you ever counted the items in the game that need to be changed?</p><p>its a lot, a dev (fyreflye the item dev) said that the others will get revamped at some point,  but that he coudnt do all at once.</p><p>soe knows the problem, fix is in the works, eta = when its done.</p><p><span style="font-size: small;"><b>that said, it cant happen soon enough in my opinion as raid dropped stuff being worse than treasure of the same level (yes, its that bad at low levels) is seriously wrong.</b></span></p></blockquote><p>I think she is complaining that the raid dropped items in t7 are worse than the quested items in t8 /shrug who the [Removed for Content] cares, your in t7 for such a little time, just get to 72 get your mc, and its not an issue anymore.</p></blockquote>That is what is angering me.  It's not T7 is worse than T8. When you do a quest in KP thats lvl 68 and gives you a lvl 65 treasured item thats better than a 67 fabled.. Thats Fed up.  Also, a Level 67 Fabled item SHOULD be better than a lvl 72 mastercrafted.

[Dasein]

T7 gear from KoS doesn't have most of the effects that gear introduced 2 years later in RoK does. In KoS, items with +crit were very rare, and I do not think there was even a double attack mechanic in the game. Further, the gear creation algorithm changed with Rok, allowing for much more powerful gear to be created. Really, though, you need to realize that in a game like EQ2, each expansion pretty much has to reset gear so that content can be balanced for everyone. This means the previous expansion's gear is made obsolete very quickly, and gear from 2 expansions ago is little more than trash. There may be individual items which are exceptions, but the general rule is to force everyone to upgrade their gear as a means to level the playing field.