Raise your hand if you "accidentally" call up the help screen way too often

[dartie]

<p>If you rely on the X-button in the top right corner of various screens (player, inventory, etc) to close them, have you found yourself accidentally bringing up the help screen since this feature was added?</p><p>I'm pretty sure the X is a good deal smaller than it used to be.  I remember back in olden times that I would SOMETIMES bring up the window settings screen by mistake when my cursor strayed too far from the X.  </p><p>Maybe I am just clumsier than I used to be, and maybe I'm just losing patience with the 2 or 3-second delay that usually precedes the appearance of the help screen (whereas the window settings screen seems to appear instantaneously).  </p><p>I realize this post is going to be moved to some godforsaken technical forum that no one ever sees.  The mod who moves it will probably assume that I'm asking for help with the layout of the screen.  I'm not really asking for help or even complaining about this new "feature."  I just want to know if other people are having the problem as much as I am, so I would appreciate your answering quickly if you feel my pain.</p>

[Rast]

<p>/raises hand</p><p>it really is most annoying as it basically stops the rest of the system while it loads the help too...</p>

[Mercius]

I do this ALOT. Im glad I am not the only one though, I thought maybe it was just cause Im a newb. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Banadux]

An option to disable "help" woul be something I would much enjoy.  I don't have this accident too often, but it's definitely annoying.

[woolf2k]

OMS! I do ALL the time... It's the BAINE (sp?) of my existance.It wouldn't even be a real issue if the cursed help window would load fast BUT IT DOESN'T AND it FREEZES the whole game while loading it!  Aargh!!!! /ripes out some of his hairPLEASE PLEASE PLEASE and ONE MORE PLEASE!!!!DEVs! for the LOVE OF SCIENCE move it to the left side... AWAY from the close button<span style="font-size: x-large;"><b>PLEASE!</b></span>

[Britefire]

/raise hand/raise friends hand/raise friends friends hamdyes, it happens all the time

[Bloodfa]

Waaaay too often, and always at an inopportune moment.  I'd love a way to disable "Help" from the options.

[Renorsuru]

looks sheepish and raises hand, it always seems to happen just at the wrong moment, i suppose thats when i am rushing and dont aim to well.

[Meinen]

<p>there is a help button?</p>

[thajo]

Hehe i was going to make a thread about this if I ever got bored enough.  But yes - all that new help button has done is lagged me when I accidently mix the X button lol.

[Nulad]

/raises handI'd like to see the x doubled in width to compensate for my lack of mouse control.

[Vonotar]

Another here!

[Arcueid]

<p>**RAISES HAND****</p><p> <img src="http://www.wealthnationusa.com/xSites/Agents/wealthnationusa/Content/UploadedFiles/raise%20your%20hand.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></p>

[Novusod]

/Raises HandSo it is not just me.

[Snowdonia]

Most.. annoying.. thing.. EVER!!!!! Kirstie has already heard my complaints when she was on Test one day. That sucker NEEDS to be moved further away or to the title end of the window bar.I use keybindings for most things, but I can't use them for the bank, guild bank, or the broker and that's when it gets me the most. I also tend to open windows with a keybinding but close with the X (dunno why, just a habit).*hates help button's position*

[Rijacki]

<cite>Snowdonia@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Most.. annoying.. thing.. EVER!!!!! Kirstie has already heard my complaints when she was on Test one day. That sucker NEEDS to be moved further away or to the title end of the window bar.I use keybindings for most things, but I can't use them for the bank, guild bank, or the broker and that's when it gets me the most. I also tend to open windows with a keybinding but close with the X (dunno why, just a habit).*hates help button's position*</blockquote>Gets me those same places, too.  There are times I only want -some- of my inventory windows open or want to close various bank windows.  I'm prone to hitting the help instead of the x especially if there is the tiniest bit of lag (and my mouse pointer isn't exactly where I want it).I've also hit it when I was trying to close the examine window (instead of whacking ESC until the window I wanted to close goes away) or the Preview window.Completely and utterly annoying.Putting it on the other side should be a priority.

[Calthine]

/raises handIt's only recently too, like since the last update.

[Airien]

Well its good to know that my "alcohol tolerance" isn't starting to diminish like I thought. I find myself doing this as well, even to the extent of multiple times per gaming session, many of which are induced by liquor. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Cmdo Colin]

<cite>Banadux wrote:</cite><blockquote>An option to disable "help" woul be something I would much enjoy.  I don't have this accident too often, but it's definitely annoying.</blockquote><p>Definately - would love and option to disable it.</p><p>Has it been moved on the UI or sommat?  Just done this a few times recently, and on my old rustbucket of a system I have to wait 30 seconds for my screen to sort it's self out.</p>

[Looker1010]

/raises hand ... Put Help back on the Options menu popup where it started out.

[Rijacki]

<cite>Looker1010 wrote:</cite><blockquote>/raises hand ... Put Help back on the Options menu popup where it started out. </blockquote>Context help is a good thing, but putting it where it will be accidentally clicked instead of close is the bad thing.

[Naeowan]

<p>/raises hand</p><p>Glad to know it isn't just me. </p>

[x82nd77]

Glad to know I am not the only Timmay in the world... do this all the time and HATE the feature being where it is

[Juzzman]

/Raise Hand

[Mordion89]

<p>/raise hand</p><p>omg it is awefully annoying each time i hit that button on accident because there'll be a few seconds of screen freeze when it loads the help window</p><p>please please fix it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Liyle]

Hand up... and I also manage to somehow maximize the Help window, hit ESC (instantly ridding myself of the thing) only to hit the Help again a few days later during a raid.... presto! a full screen of white Help window. Help! The "x" is too small and in a bad spot. I just don't use Help so often that it needs to be so "convenient."Not as bad as Clear All Hotkeys, just annoying.

[Jehanne]

Please give us a way to disable these little help buttons.

[Daroc]

/Raise handIt's funny this thread arrises now as I was attacked yesterday on the PvP server while going through my quests.I tried clicking the screen away , but...Nothing left but a pool of blood and me cussing on voice and me friends laughing <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Frijoles]

<p>The new help window is a grand thing and I'm glad we have it but, yes, I too find myself unintentionally clicking on it several times each day.</p><p>I don't *really* mind - I'd much rather keep it the way it is and work on improving my 'aim' than not have it at all.</p><p><img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Rokaab]

<p>/raise hand</p><p>Yeah, occassionally I used to accidently get the window options menu, but only very occassionally, whereas now I dont ever get the window options anymore, I do however get thet help window far too often - normally followed by cursing.</p>

[Surething]

<p>/raises hand</p><p>/rude gesture at SOE</p>

[erin]

/raises hand/raises other handDear gods I hate that window with a passion at this point.

[Rahatmattata]

+1I used to never accidently push the help button, but in the passed month or two I have several times. Something has changed and I didn't notice what, but yea... annoying.

[Chickenlady]

/raises handI seem to do this nearly every time I try to close a window.  You would have thought I would have learned to be more careful by now <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Qandor]

Aye, that help button has to move. No reason to have it immediately next to the close window device.

[Deeno]

<p>/raise hand</p><p> Same here. I seem to hit it on the same windows as most folks, too.</p>

[Ze]

<p>/raises hand</p><p>actually, there are quite a few exploits possible, thanks to the help window, especially in pvp. Just by opening it, you can ghost out. That thing needs to not only be moved, but be reprogrammed too.</p>

[Blu]

/raise hand<div></div><div>I did this a couple of times last time I played.</div>

[GrunEQ]

<span style="font-size: small;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">/raises hand</span>

[Viemzee]

I triple box so...*raises 3 hands*

[ratdeath]

/raises paw!<span style="color: #ff0000;"><i><b>Squeeks!</b></i></span>

[Valsehna]

<p>/raise hand <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>I've been doing this very lately too.  What the heck happened?  Did something else get "fixed" that wasn't broken?</p>

[TheMightyTaco]

/raisehandAnd if I am not totally crazy... you don't even have to click the help button. Just a pixel or two outside the X and you will activate the help feature. Very annoying.

[erin]

Did anyone else notice that the popup no longer seems to take 30 seconds?  Seems like that at least fixes 80% of the annoyance for me.

[Transen]

/raises handI usually just use the Esc key but when I want to keep certain other windows up, I'll go for that little X only to find that somehow, I've pressed that "?" button instead..used to be the windows settings button that would come up from doing that in a hurry but lately it's been the help button.

[Dellannah]

<p>/raises hand</p><p>Same issues as all others here...(glad it's not just me! phew!)</p>

[Buz_Weaver]

Yes, its quite annoying. Just add it to the Options menu.

[Buz_Weaver]

<cite>Transen wrote:</cite><blockquote>/raises handI usually just use the Esc key but when I want to keep certain other windows up, I'll go for that little X only to find that somehow, I've pressed that "?" button instead..used to be the windows settings button that would come up from doing that in a hurry but lately it's been the help button.</blockquote>Its faster after you've done it, but the first time still stalls you out for about 3 secounds.

[Rothgar]

This is something I plan on fixing.  I'm going to swap the help button and window settings button and then space them out a little further.

[Looker1010]

<cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is something I plan on fixing.  I'm going to swap the help button and window settings button and then space them out a little further.</blockquote>Thank you, thank you and oh yes, THANK YOU. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Eveningsong]

Can you also check that the "clicky" defined space is actually within the visible space?  Cause I've had the help screen issue several times where I know for certain that I clicked well within the X and I suspect the ? space is just a tad large on some resolutions.

[Arcueid]

<p>Praise be to Rothgar! </p><p><img src="http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/07/thumbs-up.jpg" alt="" border="0" /> </p><p>Perhaps make the [?] Double-Click activated for extra fool-proof protection like myself?</p>

[LordPazuzu]

<p>Erm...yeah...</p><p>/raises hand</p><p>Clumsy clicker here....</p>

[Malc]

<cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is something I plan on fixing.  I'm going to swap the help button and window settings button and then space them out a little further.</blockquote><p>Whew !!! Thanks.  Heh I thought it was just me doing that lol.</p>

[Sar]

I do this alot too.... and it seems to lag me out also as the window comes up.... just put the help button on the otherside of the window, not next to the X to close the window will help. Swithing them I thinkw ill just make more people click on that accidently...

[Lansalas]

/raise hand

[Sebastien]

<cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is something I plan on fixing.  I'm going to swap the help button and window settings button and then space them out a little further.</blockquote>That sounds good.  I too have been hitting Help with great regularity.

[Chips]

<p>/raises hand</p><p>nice spot to put the help button you lamer doods!!!</p>

[brammator]

/raises hand on doubleclick for help and settings activation

[VileBlack]

Ditto, happens to me all the time and drives me crazy. I like the new help, but some space between the close window icon and the others would be nice. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[brammator]

/raises hand on doubleclick for help and settings activation

[metalhed]

/RaisesHand  Move to the left side, thats where it should be. Let the mac users deal with that, the majority rules here, sorry mac your getting smacked again. No offense to the mac user but they have the brains to not click it.<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Thanks

[erinn]

/raises hand

[Thicket Tundrabog]

/raises hand

[Hammy]

/raise hand <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><span style="color: #c0c0c0;"><span style="font-size: small;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;color: #000080;"><b>Ah the comfert of knowing you are not the only one that does something.Yes DEV's, please see about fixing this. I agree with the comment of putting it on the left hand side, or even better, get rid of it. I don't think it needs to be on most of the windows that it is on.</b></span></span>

[Tinrae]

Just reiterating what some have said previous- the help button is annoying when accidentally pressed because it freezes the screen for a few seconds. Please move to the other side of the window.

[SilkenKidden]

<cite>brammator wrote:</cite><blockquote>/raises hand on doubleclick for help and settings activation</blockquote><p>Both hands raised here.  This is a real bother because it is so time consuming, not just a new window painted but I think a web connection is made.  </p><p>Please move the button or make us double click for help.  Or even respond to a yes/no message. </p>

[DragonMaster2385]

/raisehand They should move the ? icon a little to the left on the UI screens.

[Gilasil]

<p>Happens to me all the time.</p><p>It wouldn't be a big deal if it didn't FREEZE MY SYSTEM for several seconds while it loads.</p><p>It they could just set it up to not freeze my system while it loads (do time consuming part of load on another thread?) and let me dismiss the window while it's loading that would be fine.</p>

[evilgamer]

<p>*raises hand*</p><p>I do this all the time.</p>

[Rocc]

Arg I hate that stupid button.

[Seolta]

MOVE IT!

[Vumael]

/Signed*

[Bozidar]

<p>*raises hand*</p><p>we'd like to move it, move it</p><p>we'd like to move it, move it</p><p>we'd like to move it, move it</p><p>we'd like to.. </p><p><span style="font-size: x-large;">MOVE IT!!!</span></p>

[Oakum]

Me too! me too!

[Levatino]

/signed

[urgatorbait]

/raises hand

[theriatis]

<p>Me ! Me ! Me ! Ohhhh.... me !</p><p>But that seems pretty normal, as i also hit the "Help and Support" in XP way to often accidentally <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (until i got rid of it)</p><p>Regards, theriatis.</p>

[kryten2x]

<p>/raises hand</p><p> all the time! I wish they would move the darn thing!</p>

[asmiro]

<p>not to make light of the issue but....</p><p>funny, i dont have this issue at all. i do use profit UI tho, so no little help button next to the x to close button. it is just a UI feature after all... make your own custom ui and just change that one line of code (or several as the case may be, i dunno) for that help feature... problem solved. or, you could use one of the hundreds of custom ui's already out there that do not have the help button next to the close button (such as profit ui).</p>

[Whitewolf]

<p>/Raise hand</p><p> Now, If SOE was really smart... just like making customers pay for the amount of character slots they have, make them pay for hitting the HELP button....</p>

[Avanya]

<p>Happens to me all the time!  I thank you for making this post because I thought it was just me being clumsy LOL</p><p>/raise</p>