What happened to my BP???

[PRALL]

<p>Ok... this is a before and after look at my BP. This is the polished parade plate armor that I spent status points on! Instead of matching and looking kick-butt like on the left, it now has this [Removed for Content] Aztec sun on a plain look that isn't even the same metal, color, or level of polish....</p><p> Can I get it fixed please? As you see in the picture, I have already sent feedback.</p><p><img src="http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p399/AKJACKAL/Signatures/Sut_BP.png" border="0" alt="BP image change" /></p>

[Naubeta]

The aztecs were [Removed for Content] like the spartans?

[Katsi]

<cite>Naubitzi@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>The aztecs were [Removed for Content] like the spartans?</blockquote>If you have to make a comment like that, then you don't understand the culture that was Sparta.If you were to tell a Spartan about the homosexual culture of modern day, they'd be horrified.Back to the subject, I agree that armor such as the Parade status armor should not be changed from the original.Also, I notice that you've the dressing room window up in your picture, that has the original appearance.  Is that a cut and paste from another picture, or are you able to examine the armor and get a different appearance in the dressing room?~ Cerilynn

[PRALL]

<cite>Cerilynn@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Naubitzi@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>The aztecs were [Removed for Content] like the spartans?</blockquote>If you have to make a comment like that, then you don't understand the culture that was Sparta.If you were to tell a Spartan about the homosexual culture of modern day, they'd be horrified.Back to the subject, I agree that armor such as the Parade status armor should not be changed from the original.Also, I notice that you've the dressing room window up in your picture, that has the original appearance.  Is that a cut and paste from another picture, or are you able to examine the armor and get a different appearance in the dressing room?~ Cerilynn</blockquote><p>That is a cut & paste from a previous screenshot. Funny that you asked about seeing it different in the dressing room, because I actually checked that. Unfortunately, it looks crappy no matter where I view it.</p><p>I'm not sure whether this is a bug (maybe showing the elf version on a dwarf...) or if the devs just changed the graphic on me. I'm thinking maybe it is bugged, because I can't fathom a dev only changing the BP; especially to something that totally doesn't match the rest of the set. (I forget to mention that I wear the whole set, though one should deduce that from the before image.)</p><p>I play on Antonia Bayle, and my armor look is part of my roleplay. This bug or change sucks even more because of that. The pic in my sig is a good indicator of this.</p>

[Mysticdraco]

You know I ahve never seen this graphic before... I think this might be an accidental slip of a texture that wasn't supposed to be seen. All the parade armor I've seen have had the same look to it, so this is news to me!

[Sapphirius]

I've never seen that graphic either, and I see a lot of armor across all my characters. I know that crafted armor is getting new looks, which has me ina  panic trying to figure out if the new looks will be retroactive or not. (I hope they won't be retroactive.) I wonder if this slip up is related to that somehow? <goes off to check her inquisitor's armor>

[Sapphirius]

<cite>Sutures@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>That is a cut & paste from a previous screenshot. Funny that you asked about seeing it different in the dressing room, because I actually checked that. Unfortunately, it looks crappy no matter where I view it. <p>I'm not sure whether this is a bug (maybe showing the elf version on a dwarf...) or if the devs just changed the graphic on me. I'm thinking maybe it is bugged, because I can't fathom a dev only changing the BP; especially to something that totally doesn't match the rest of the set. (I forget to mention that I wear the whole set, though one should deduce that from the before image.)</p><p>I play on Antonia Bayle, and my armor look is part of my roleplay. This bug or change sucks even more because of that. The pic in my sig is a good indicator of this.</p></blockquote><p>OK, hun. Question for ya. Is it still showing this graphic for you today? Because, if it is, I'd say you're bugged client side. This was the armor on my inquisitor on AB and my warden on LDL. When I get home from work tonight, I'll roll a dwarf to see if the armor is just bugged on dwarven models, and if they are, whether it's both male & female or both SOGA & non-SOGA.</p><p><img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/Sapphirius/Random%20Screenshots/ParadeArmor_8-23-08.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></p>

[Naubeta]

<cite>Cerilynn@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Naubitzi@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>The aztecs were [Removed for Content] like the spartans?</blockquote>If you have to make a comment like that, then you don't understand the culture that was Sparta.If you were to tell a Spartan about the homosexual culture of modern day, they'd be horrified.Back to the subject, I agree that armor such as the Parade status armor should not be changed from the original.Also, I notice that you've the dressing room window up in your picture, that has the original appearance.  Is that a cut and paste from another picture, or are you able to examine the armor and get a different appearance in the dressing room?~ Cerilynn</blockquote>I'm glad I don't understand them. In the same way I'm glad I don't understand the [Removed for Content] (about the closest modern analogue for their culture).

[Chips]

<cite>Naubitzi@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>I'm glad I don't understand them. In the same way I'm glad I don't understand the [Removed for Content] (about the closest modern analogue for their culture).</blockquote></blockquote><p>not true, simply not true.</p><p>you have to set aside your modern perspective and look at it from thier cultural viewpoint.</p><p>one of the reasons i apsolutely DESPISE modern organized religions. ALL!! of them. is because they simply try to distort and disfigue the truth</p><p>sooo much that we forget the REAL past.</p><p>just imagine what we would be like today if we were forced to believe the world was flat as the popes of mideaval europe would have had us</p><p>believe.</p><p>enough said , i dont want to get off topic here ...lol if you ask me all the BP's in game look a bit off from the real deal . i will say it again....please</p><p>look at period clothing and copy it , the game seems to cover  the middle to late middle ages, just on the very tip of the renaissance. with some</p><p>weird looking greek-like helms( like the one you get from the void storm merchant) here and there as well as some mixed asiatic stuff. no more</p><p>huge shoulder pads and oversized weapons that make the game look flat-out goofy plz.     </p>

[PRALL]

<cite>Apsu@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>huge shoulder pads and oversized weapons that make the game look flat-out goofy plz. </p></blockquote><p> Could be worse.... you could be playing WoW....</p><p> <img src="http://worldofwarcraftempire.com/images/Images_WOW_Classes/World_of_Warcraft_Warrior_.jpg" alt="" width="313" height="260" border="0" /></p>

[PRALL]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK, hun. Question for ya. Is it still showing this graphic for you today? Because, if it is, I'd say you're bugged client side. This was the armor on my inquisitor on AB and my warden on LDL. When I get home from work tonight, I'll roll a dwarf to see if the armor is just bugged on dwarven models, and if they are, whether it's both male & female or both SOGA & non-SOGA.</p></blockquote>Yes, I'm still getting this graphic. I'm going to try a thorough file check tonight to see if that helps. If it doesn't, what can I do about such a bug?

[Sapphirius]

<p>Sutures, I tried each race, male & female, SOGA & non-SOGA. This is a graphical issue unique to <i><b>male dwarf SOGA</b></i> models. Male dwarf original models were fine, as were female dwarf models in both original and SOGA.</p><p>Here's what you need to do. type "/bug" and fill out a bug report. What you filled out was /feedback, and it's not the same thing. You'll file this under "Cosmetic" and "Always happens." Explain that this occurs only with the male dwarf SOGA models. Once the bug report is filled out, then the devs will know it needs to be fixed. Using the proper tools to report problems will go a very long way towards fixing them.</p><p><img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/Sapphirius/Random%20Screenshots/BuggedSOGADwarfPlate.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></p>

[Transen]

Yeah that's definitely a bug....should look more like this:<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Transen/EQ2%20photos/Sut_Happy-BP.png" alt="" border="0" />

[Norrsken]

And as a side note. that might actually be an old t5 raid gear look. I seem to remember seeing it a long long time ago. And the t5 raid plate stuff were pretty much all polished metal stuff. Unless my  memory betrays me. (Which it has been known to do far to much for comfort)

[Vonotar]

I'm constantly amazed by the developers ability to remove houseitems and clothing looks, while at the same time we all moan about the lack of variety.If this exists and isn't already assign to *something* quest item/mob drop/status clothing/crafted clothing then dev's please find a use for it!!Less is not always better, somebody please teach that to Sony!

[Nayawk]

<cite>Magnamundian wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm constantly amazed by the developers ability to remove houseitems and clothing looks, while at the same time we all moan about the lack of variety.If this exists and isn't already assign to *something* quest item/mob drop/status clothing/crafted clothing then dev's please find a use for it!!Less is not always better, somebody please teach that to Sony!</blockquote>I'm pretty sure this is the plate armour from the fancy pants commander guy who is now wandering from SQ gates to the lighthouse and back since the guildhalls buildy thing.  The entire set is actually quite nice.

[Lilj]

<cite>Nayawk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Magnamundian wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm constantly amazed by the developers ability to remove houseitems and clothing looks, while at the same time we all moan about the lack of variety.If this exists and isn't already assign to *something* quest item/mob drop/status clothing/crafted clothing then dev's please find a use for it!!Less is not always better, somebody please teach that to Sony!</blockquote>I'm pretty sure this is the plate armour from the fancy pants commander guy who is now wandering from SQ gates to the lighthouse and back since the guildhalls buildy thing.  The entire set is actually quite nice. </blockquote>Yup, you are quite right.

[Mysticdraco]

Ha! This is cool, we found an armor graphic that must have accidently slipped into the player's hands! Oh, I also like the smiley face "feature" it really give across a nice "I'm not here to hurt you, just give you a hug feeling!" <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Sapphirius]

<cite>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>And as a side note. that might actually be an old t5 raid gear look. I seem to remember seeing it a long long time ago. And the t5 raid plate stuff were pretty much all polished metal stuff. Unless my  memory betrays me. (Which it has been known to do far to much for comfort)</blockquote><p>I was heavily into raiding from the beginning of the game on to T7. I kind of retired before T8. The T5 fabled plate did not look like that. It had the same graphics as the Marr ceremonial armor from Nektulos. There was also some plate with similar graphics to the polished parade. I have <i>never</i> seen that particular graphic before.</p><p>And yes, they should assign this graphic to something. More choices, not less. <nods></p>

[Sapphirius]

<cite>Liljna wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nayawk wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm pretty sure this is the plate armour from the fancy pants commander guy who is now wandering from SQ gates to the lighthouse and back since the guildhalls buildy thing.  The entire set is actually quite nice. </blockquote>Yup, you are quite right. </blockquote>Oooo. I'm going to have to look for him. Is the entire set this NPC is wearing like that? And yes, Hahahaha. It does look like a smiley face. This big bad warrior charges you with a sword and a tower shield. As he's sticking things where the sun doesn't shine, it just screams, "Have a nice day!"

[PRALL]

<p>OK, now that I know it is a bug, I will use /bug. I wanted to be sure that it wasn't the design team screwing with the armor graphics before doing so.</p><p>Thank you so much for checking that out for me Sapphirus! </p>

[ke'la]

LU 26 took alot of cool looking armor out with the crafting revamp. Check the NPC merchants around level 50 sometime, the Ebon from them look really nice... last I checked.

[M0rticia]

<cite>Transen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah that's definitely a bug....should look more like this:<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Transen/EQ2%20photos/Sut_Happy-BP.png" border="0" alt="" /></blockquote>Hey! Thanks for making me choke on my drink from laughing so hard!To the OP, sorry you have the sunshine happy armor. I hope they get it fixed soon!

[Vonotar]

<cite>Nayawk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Magnamundian wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm constantly amazed by the developers ability to remove houseitems and clothing looks, while at the same time we all moan about the lack of variety.If this exists and isn't already assign to *something* quest item/mob drop/status clothing/crafted clothing then dev's please find a use for it!!Less is not always better, somebody please teach that to Sony!</blockquote>I'm pretty sure this is the plate armour from the fancy pants commander guy who is now wandering from SQ gates to the lighthouse and back since the guildhalls buildy thing.  The entire set is actually quite nice. </blockquote>Is he a male dwarf?  in which case this might be a set that isn't ready for all classes all genders...

[Sapphirius]

Actually, that would be <b>LU 24</b> that removed all the neat armor looks with the tradeskill revamp. I have never forgiven Beghn for this and probably never will.

[PRALL]

Bug submitted.... start the clock! <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[ke'la]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, that would be <b>LU 24</b> that removed all the neat armor looks with the tradeskill revamp. I have never forgiven Beghn for this and probably never will.</blockquote>Thanks for the correction.

[Vonotar]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, that would be <b>LU 24</b> that removed all the neat armor looks with the tradeskill revamp. I have never forgiven Beghn for this and probably never will.</blockquote>And considering how apparently hard it is to create new clothing for 19 different races, you would think they would cling on to every piece they had created.

[Aeneran]

<cite>Nayawk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Magnamundian wrote:</cite>I'm pretty sure this is the plate armour from the fancy pants commander guy who is now wandering from SQ gates to the lighthouse and back since the guildhalls buildy thing.  The entire set is actually quite nice.</blockquote>Not a great pic since he was about to zone, but you get the idea. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="http://www.oosah.com/actions/view/image.php?size_id=9&image_id=216874" alt="" border="0" />

[PRALL]

<p>No sir, I don't like it! <i>(In my best Mr. Horse of Ren & Stimpy)</i></p><p>I can't say I'd wear that whole set. It doesn't look as good as my polished parade plate.</p><p>Man I hope they fix it soon.</p>

[ke'la]

<cite>Sutures@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>No sir, I don't like it! <i>(In my best Mr. Horse of Ren & Stimpy)</i></p><p>I can't say I'd wear that whole set. It doesn't look as good as my polished parade plate.</p><p>Man I hope they fix it soon.</p></blockquote>I do think that armor does look more Pally'ish then Cleric.

[Mysticdraco]

Hey! He's also got the do-rag from the helmsman when you're on the ship to the Isle of Refuge... I want that! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Sapphirius]

<p>Oh, that's pretty armor, and it looks WHITE! OMG! I so want that for my inquis. Pwease, devs? Pretty please with a cherry on top? Put this armor in the the game for us? </p><p>And here he is at the best angle I could get. (I hailed him to get him to stand still.) Strange though... He's not wearing a "do-rag" in non-SOGA. I wonder if that's a bug with certain models' hair?</p><p>Commander Vincent Angellicor (a.k.a. Sargeant Fancy Pants)</p><p><img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/Sapphirius/Random%20Screenshots/SargeantFancyPants.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></p>

[ashen1973]

<p>i actually like the complete white armour.</p><p>It did remind me of something though, so i popped out to Antonica to have a look for myself.</p><p>Now I remember, a memory from a long time ago and aplace far,far away..........</p><p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v660/ljay1973/eq2storntrooper.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></p>

[valkry]

<cite>Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>i actually like the complete white armour.</p><p>It did remind me of something though, so i popped out to Antonica to have a look for myself.</p><p>Now I remember, a memory from a long time ago and aplace far,far away..........</p></blockquote><p>Funny, I seem to remember it from a past life were I was a cleric of Lathander...</p><p><img src="http://www.drachenbergen2.de/Images/dns_pantheon_lathander2.gif" alt="" border="0" /></p><p>Or maybe it was Pelor....<img src="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/81352.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></p><p>Wait, WHAT game am I playing? EQ? Not D&D? Your'e sure your sure?</p>

[Zeltaria]

<p>Great, thanks alot Mr. Smiley Face armor and Mr. Storm Trooper....</p><p>my boss is now glowering at me after I spontaniously busted out giggling at my computer screen. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'm supposed to look like I'm doing serious brain numbing work here!</p><p>*LOL*</p>

[PRALL]

<cite>Taria@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Great, thanks alot Mr. Smiley Face armor and Mr. Storm Trooper....</p><p>my boss is now glowering at me after I spontaniously busted out giggling at my computer screen. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'm supposed to look like I'm doing serious brain numbing work here!</p><p>*LOL*</p></blockquote><p>LOL.. do I have to put a NSFW tag on the subject now?  Didn't think I had to do that unless it violated the pink pixel filters...</p><p> Clock still ticking...</p>

[PRALL]

<p>Still not fixed as of last night......</p><p><img src="http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p399/AKJACKAL/EQ2_000244.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></p>

[PRALL]

<span style="font-size: medium;">Still not fixed! Come on SoE!</span>

[ke'la]

<cite>Sutures@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">Still not fixed! Come on SoE!</span></blockquote>Did you bug it with a link to this post?

[PRALL]

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">Did you bug it with a link to this post?</span></blockquote> Yes I did give them a link to this thread in the bug report. I also gave a brief but detailed description with the name and location of the NPC it resembles. I think I might have even gave an item link, but after all this time, I'm not sure.

[Lethe5683]

<cite>Taria@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Great, thanks alot Mr. Smiley Face armor and Mr. Storm Trooper....</p><p>my boss is now glowering at me after I spontaniously busted out giggling at my computer screen. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'm supposed to look like I'm doing serious brain numbing work here!</p><p>*LOL*</p></blockquote>Me too everyone is looking at me like I'm crazy cause I can't stop laughing.

[PRALL]

<p>Still waiting....</p><p>I'm told that if I send multiple bug reports that it will either <b>A.)</b> infuriate the SoE hampsters or <b>B.)</b> do absolutely nothing. So what does one have to do to get the devs to fix this?</p>

[PRALL]

<p><em>Before anyone jumps me about bumping this thread.. I was asked to do so by an SoE employee.</em></p><p><span style="font-size: x-large; color: #ff0000;">This is now way into ridiculous!!! </span></p><p>This thread was started on 8/21/08. This has been bugged more than once.</p><p>To restate the issue.... MALE DWARF SOGA MODELS have a bug with the POLISHED PARADE CUIRASS.</p><p>See the previous posts for specifics!</p><p>Devs please fix this now!</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Sutures@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Before anyone jumps me about bumping this thread.. I was asked to do so by an SoE employee.</em></p><p><span style="font-size: x-large; color: #ff0000;">This is now way into ridiculous!!! </span></p><p>This thread was started on 8/21/08. This has been bugged more than once.</p><p>To restate the issue.... MALE DWARF SOGA MODELS have a bug with the POLISHED PARADE CUIRASS.</p><p>See the previous posts for specifics!</p><p>Devs please fix this now!</p></blockquote><p>it's only on the soga model? that is very odd.</p><p>Don't forget to regularly(though not constently) /bug it... like say after each Live Update... wich gives them an opertunity to restore the graphic. Also linking the item here if you have not already.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Sutures@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Before anyone jumps me about bumping this thread.. I was asked to do so by an SoE employee.</em></p><p><span style="font-size: x-large; color: #ff0000;">This is now way into ridiculous!!! </span></p><p>This thread was started on 8/21/08. This has been bugged more than once.</p><p>To restate the issue.... MALE DWARF SOGA MODELS have a bug with the POLISHED PARADE CUIRASS.</p><p>See the previous posts for specifics!</p><p>Devs please fix this now!</p></blockquote><p>It's actually not the developer's problem to deal with SOGA model issues. They didn't design them, and don't take any responsibility for them. The SOGA team over in Korea does.</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p>I don't think SoE care about soga models.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't think SoE care about soga models.</p></blockquote><p>They don't. They've admited it too. It's not thier responsibility to take care of the SOGA models in any way.</p>

[PRALL]

<p>It's not the soga model that is the issue, it's the appearance of the breastplate on said model.</p><p>It's been broken since the guild halls began construction back in july and that NPC started roaming on Antonica.</p>

[Firecracker]

<p>Well, who ever is charge of fixing said armor seems to not care, for I have /bug issues with some chest's peices on my saga halfing to where her mid section is showing which hallow so it looks funny months ago. I had a screenshot of it but I can't find it.</p>

[Doggi]

SOGA has other armor appearance issues... mainly forearm skins: skins like nightchord armor halloween armor and other armor that shares the same type of armor model All of the forearms of these sets look completely different than the rest of the armor on SOGA - Models /bugged it some time ago...

[Firecracker]

<p>I for sure thought the saga models were also used for the Fae's too so somewhere there has to be department who is in charge weather it's here in the US or somewheres else shouldn't matter. I do know if SOE don't try to merge best of best Old Style and Soga models there is going to be problems. So in this thread it gave me idea to start this one</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=435986�">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...435986�</a></p>

[feldon30]

<p><cite>valkry wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Or maybe it was Pelor....<img src="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/81352.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>Wait, WHAT game am I playing? EQ? Not D&D? Your'e sure your sure?</p></blockquote><p>Whatever blows up your skirt, er I mean robes! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>So the issue is that "sun" set is being swapped in on SOGA? Is that set attainable otherwise? They could put it in as the [Paladin de Soleil] set. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Vonotar]

<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>valkry wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Or maybe it was Pelor....<img src="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/81352.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>Wait, WHAT game am I playing? EQ? Not D&D? Your'e sure your sure?</p></blockquote><p>Whatever blows up your skirt, er I mean robes! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>So the issue is that "sun" set is being swapped in on SOGA? Is that set attainable otherwise? They could put it in as the [Paladin de Soleil] set. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>It's now officially available, via Station Cash</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Magnamundian wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>valkry wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Or maybe it was Pelor....<img src="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/81352.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>Wait, WHAT game am I playing? EQ? Not D&D? Your'e sure your sure?</p></blockquote><p>Whatever blows up your skirt, er I mean robes! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>So the issue is that "sun" set is being swapped in on SOGA? Is that set attainable otherwise? They could put it in as the [Paladin de Soleil] set. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>It's now officially available, via Station Cash</p></blockquote><p>The question I have is will that raise the priority of fixing Stuturers' breastplate... as he now has for free what SoE wants $$ for.</p>

[Anastasie]

<p>That kinda looks like the new parade armor you can buy with station cash.</p><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=2014&section=News&locale=en_US">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...ws&locale=en_US</a></p><div><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/SCdec08/ironforge_front.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/SCdec08/ironforge_front_sm.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="485" /></a><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/SCdec08/ironforge_back.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/SCdec08/ironforge_back_sm.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="496" /></a></div>

[M0rticia]

<p>AS SOON as I saw the pictures of the new SC items, I immediately thought of this thread. I'm not surprised that others did too!</p><p>So instead of fixing the BP, they added it as a 'feature' for people willing to shell out the cash. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Vonotar]

<p><cite>M0rticia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>AS SOON as I saw the pictures of the new SC items, I immediately thought of this thread. I'm not surprised that others did too!</p><p>So instead of fixing the BP, they added it as a 'feature' for people willing to shell out the cash. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Interestingly I think this bug can be held up as proof that SoE had this set of armor ready for virtually all races and were purposely holding it back for Station Cash.  After all, why would you bother creating armor for all races (something which we're constantly told is a lot of work) if it's only going to be worn by a human npc...</p>

[axl_2baz]

<p>That BP graphics is used by some NPC, and in the SC market-thing.</p><p>Too bad, I d' like it for my Paladin.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Magnamundian wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>M0rticia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>AS SOON as I saw the pictures of the new SC items, I immediately thought of this thread. I'm not surprised that others did too!</p><p>So instead of fixing the BP, they added it as a 'feature' for people willing to shell out the cash. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Interestingly I think this bug can be held up as proof that SoE had this set of armor ready for virtually all races and were purposely holding it back for Station Cash.  After all, why would you bother creating armor for all races (something which we're constantly told is a lot of work) if it's only going to be worn by a human npc...</p></blockquote><p>Ofcourse they developed it for all races...how else would they be able to sell it... BTW, NPCs have for the most part differant armor then Player Charactors... because player charactor armor requires more resources then NPC armor does... Wich is why all the old world Orc's had thier armor "upgraded" by the Crushbone orcs a few years back.</p><p>As for it being a new model... I don't see it... to me it just looks like plane old Vanguard armor given a coat of white wash and then pasting a sun on it's chest.</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>kela wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span ><p><cite>Magnamundian wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>M0rticia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>AS SOON as I saw the pictures of the new SC items, I immediately thought of this thread. I'm not surprised that others did too!</p><p>So instead of fixing the BP, they added it as a 'feature' for people willing to shell out the cash. <img src="../images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Interestingly I think this bug can be held up as proof that SoE had this set of armor ready for virtually all races and were purposely holding it back for Station Cash.  After all, why would you bother creating armor for all races (something which we're constantly told is a lot of work) if it's only going to be worn by a human npc...</p></blockquote><p>Ofcourse they developed it for all races...how else would they be able to sell it... BTW, NPCs have for the most part differant armor then Player Charactors... because player charactor armor requires more resources then NPC armor does... Wich is why all the old world Orc's had thier armor "upgraded" by the Crushbone orcs a few years back.</p><p>As for it being a new model... I don't see it... to me it just looks like plane old Vanguard armor given a coat of white wash and then pasting a sun on it's chest.</p></span></blockquote><p>I don't see why they can't just use the same "mechanic" on PCs that they use on NPCs.  It's not like the npc armor looks bad or anything...</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kela wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span><p><cite>Magnamundian wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>M0rticia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>AS SOON as I saw the pictures of the new SC items, I immediately thought of this thread. I'm not surprised that others did too!</p><p>So instead of fixing the BP, they added it as a 'feature' for people willing to shell out the cash. <img src="../images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Interestingly I think this bug can be held up as proof that SoE had this set of armor ready for virtually all races and were purposely holding it back for Station Cash.  After all, why would you bother creating armor for all races (something which we're constantly told is a lot of work) if it's only going to be worn by a human npc...</p></blockquote><p>Ofcourse they developed it for all races...how else would they be able to sell it... BTW, NPCs have for the most part differant armor then Player Charactors... because player charactor armor requires more resources then NPC armor does... Wich is why all the old world Orc's had thier armor "upgraded" by the Crushbone orcs a few years back.</p><p>As for it being a new model... I don't see it... to me it just looks like plane old Vanguard armor given a coat of white wash and then pasting a sun on it's chest.</p></span></blockquote><p>I don't see why they can't just use the same "mechanic" on PCs that they use on NPCs.  It's not like the npc armor looks bad or anything...</p></blockquote><p>Because the "Mechanic" they use is to draw the NPC armor included as part of the model... in other words if they want to replace the armor on an NPC they have to retexture the WHOLE model... That does not work with PCs cause we want the ablity to mix and match our armor looks...atleast alot of people do.</p>

[ZexisStryfe]

<p>The armor that player race npcs wear is the same exact armor that players wear. Each piece of armor is also made for every race, not just if they are having one npc wear it.</p><p>Generally speaking, the really unique "armors" like the vampire armors, tunarian armor, d'leres armor, etc. are part of the mobs model though, much like the orcs and the aformentioned reequiping of the old world orcs (replacing them with newer models that had the armor built in).</p><p>Interestingly enough however, recent, newer models have been going back to the old strategy of having removeable armor. Good examples of this are the voidmen, varsoon, etc. The difference now however is that all these models are setup with unique armors (called npc_accessories) and are all in instances, so the strain on the processer isn't as intense. Also, they have begun creating several models that have the same bodies as PC races, so they can wear player armor. Races like the Thullosians, fire/ice ogres, fire cyclopses, new zombie humans/trolls/frogloks, etc. all fall into this category.</p><p>On a side note, in response to the comment on SoE "holding back" models. SoE always pushes out models for everything months before they are actually used. I was finding tSO models as far back as May of 2008 (which is documented here on these forums). What they did with the new parade bp is nothing unusual. In addition to that, the bp was actually worn by several NPCs prior to it being available in SC. There was no subterfuge there.</p>