Dear Lyga, not to be a butt, but..:

[Talathion]

I know you love your class and don't think we need fixed, but seriously, look at your gear.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=421559205" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...terId=421559205</a>Not saying you didnt EARN any of that gear, but that gear would make it easy to tank anything you mention above being not so easy by your average instanced tank berserker, when you compare fully fabled out Tank, theres almost no difference in doing much of anything below high end raid content, gear like that trivilizes things and makes them easy.Don't tell us we don't have any problems, of course you dont, look at your gear, do that stuff in the typical berserkers ((non raid)) gear, and try it.And then tell us we dont have any problems.((end rant))

[Aurumn]

<blockquote><p>Furthermore, you may <b>NOT</b>: </p><ul><li>... </li><li><span style="color: #ff0000;">Post topics addressed directly to another player.</span> The Official EverQuest II forums have a private messaging system for conversations between two players. If you want to contact someone directly, use the private messaging system. </li></ul></blockquote>From the forum rules of conduct.

[Talathion]

<cite>Mezzmyrelda@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote><p>Furthermore, you may <b>NOT</b>: </p><ul><li>... </li><li><span style="color: #ff0000;">Post topics addressed directly to another player.</span> The Official EverQuest II forums have a private messaging system for conversations between two players. If you want to contact someone directly, use the private messaging system. </li></ul></blockquote>From the forum rules of conduct. --- Fixed</blockquote>

[Slayer505]

<p>Dear Talathion,</p><p>Not to be a butt, but.... do you think Lyger or myself or any of the other raiding Berserkers that post on these forums logged into the game one day and had a fully fabled out Berserker waiting for us?  WE HAD TO WORK TO GET THERE.  Don't you think, just maybe, that someone who has proven themselves good enough at their class to be able to play the OT, let alone MT role in a top end raiding guild just might know a thing or two about playing the class?  Don't play the raider/non-raider card as a way of saying we don't know how it is.  We all started somewhere, and that was in handcrafted/mastercrafted/treasured gear just like everyone else.</p>

[Talathion]

So, you didn't Start Rise of Kunark with all fabled out gear and an already into a raid guild?  Gear means alot more in ROK then it did EOF, in EOF you could atleast get gear to do some of the things raiders could do, in ROK, gear is supreme.

[Talathion]

Everyone has to work to get there, but you wouldn't have been there in the first place less you were lucky enough to have a guild at the start of an expansion or to get your names up, and thats when you get non raiding zerks and all other warriors together, once they get there monks/guardians, they dont need the other classes, less its for alts.

[Slayer505]

<p>I had full EoF fabled when RoK started, yes, but with a few exceptions and not counting Avatar loot (which I don't have), there's better gear to be had in group instances in RoK.  For the most part RoK legendary>>EoF Fabled.  Nice try though.  Being lucky enough to join a guild?  It's called not sucking.  Gearing yourself out in DPS gear and chain when you should be worried about tanking gear and plate is not a good way to get a rep as a good tank and if you don't have a good rep, you aren't going to get into a good guild, because guess what, most guilds will ask the members if they know anything about someone before they invite them and if you've got a bad rep you're not going to get a good guild slot.</p><p>Getting good gear is NOT hard in this expansion.  You just have to get the RIGHT gear and not constantly roll on things that would be better suited to a scout then a tank.</p><p>That still doesn't answer the question of how Lyger doesn't know the class because he has good gear.</p>

[Uandiiniu5]

<p>...just wow</p><p>This dude is on my server and thats creepy.</p><p>Do myself and all the other zerkers remaining and go REROLL</p><p>I am a non raiding zerker doing PU raids for only T1 items and some from SoH trash. </p><p>Do we have problems in the non raid setting? yes, but that doesnt mean you have to bash -one- person who litterly knows this class inside and out because of the gear he earned.</p><p>I raided for a good three weeks on a hardcore schedual and im probably one of the few who didnt like it. It just wasnt my cup of tea</p><p>If you want to learn stuff, stop posting rediculous/stupid posts like these and live with it. you dont like it? there's always the Guardian or any other class for you to whine about.</p><p>The thing is, people like this are why people despise zerkers. all they do is whine and -never- get anything done</p>

[LygerT]

<p>i've been in this guild 4 months, before then my gear was only slightly better than yours and i only chose to wear chain over plate when i KNEW i could afford to do so. since the beginning the only issues i had was with tanking the most difficult content we faced on the leading edge, i never had issues with a guardian outparsing me, i never had issues with dropping like a fly unless my group makeup was poor. point is, your gear and setup is completely wrong, and that is why i say you need to quit making other zerks look bad by asking for things that would make us overpowered compared to the other tanks(non guardian). </p><p>comparing tiers of gear just shows how fresh you are, in T7 plate was flavorless and only avatar gear and some NTT sets still had some taste to them, otherwise all of us who raided in T7 dropped even our fabled sets quickly for the solo legendary armors you got questing because we know that armor has contested mitigation and that double attack/crit was what was needed to keep up, not the very basic fabled armors we had from the previous tier. so in short, once this expansion rolled around, we were pretty much all on an even playing field again and everyone had their chance to bring it or leave it.  </p><p>btw, you don't roll on chain gloves that are a huge upgrade for a scout in your group, especially not when that is just going to compound the issues you face. yes mitigation is more of a weakpoint in this expansion but it still plays a role in how much damage you take up until a point, that point you are not at yet and you read too much into what other people say. you are far too offensive of a tank gearwise compared to statwise, you are set up to fail unless doing something completely trivial, no self respecting group would have you tank RE2 and that has nothing to do with how well i am geared. any self respecting TANK balances both offensive and defensive to make sure that aggro/survivability is set first and that additional DPS is a secondary concern, not the primary. </p><p>my suggestion? try asking for advice instead of thinking you know what your problems are when obviously you don't.</p><p>hopefully some of this is sinking in, i don't even know why i bothered to try and point out your problems when you choose to try and make me out to be the bad guy here. i don't mind helping, if there is someone there to listen, all i've seen from you is exclamations instead of 'what could possibly be my problem?'.</p>

[Lordsguard]

<cite>InsaneChaosMarine wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know you love your class and don't think we need fixed, but seriously, look at your gear.</blockquote><p>You are correct gear does make a difference, but you have to take several things into account. When EoF came out Sony decided to change the way mitigation works. Basically, you get diminishing returns the more you have. So avoidance became a bigger priority in EoF days. However, when RoK came out there was a need to balance more between mitigation and avoidance.</p><p>Now let's do some analysis. A piece of fabled set gear from EoF the Gauntlets of the Vehement for example. Mitigation was 530. Now take the Gauntlets of Ravaged Onslaught, mitigation is 516. Which if you just get your head wrapped around the mitigation numbers, this seems less. The thing to notice, however, is the Gauntlets of Vehement are 530 against a level 70 opponent, while the Gauntlets of Ravaged Onslaught are 516 against a level 77 opponent. In short they are better. </p><p>The other thing to note is the RoK gear had bonuses not previously seen in game. CA damage bonuses, mele crit bonuses, etc.......hmmm these things might be important.</p><p>The point Lyger is trying to make, is too many people are abandoning the class too quickly. Notably, if you look most of them rolled their toons in 2007 or later.</p>

[LygerT]

generally i'm seeing alot more people asking these questions about mitigation, because it seems more common among people around here that the common misconception is that mitigation is uncontested, which is the wrong assumption. armor scales just like everything else, when i see new zerks trying to main tank RE2 in legendary level 77 armor with 320 mitigation and then crying that we are broken i just want to stab myself, repeatedly...

[Zhonata]

<p>Just on a side note Our Monk can tank RE2 without trying and he sits at 48% mit and 62% avoidance. Keeping in mind that Monks have less uncontested avoidance than Warriors. I normally tank the Zone in offensive gear offensive stance, minus the final boss, and when i started tanking the zone i was using 60% legendary armor. My mitigation was only around 52% and avoidance was around 45-47%. RE2 Is not a punk zone you cant roll in with noob healers and dps. If you are dieing with near those stats it is because A. Your Healers suck B. Your dps Sucks or C. You Suck.</p><p>You dont have to be raid equiped to run the zone you just need good players to run it. Skill>Gear.</p>

[LygerT]

<p>you still need a solid group if you are going to head into a zone like that in legendary/mastercrafted gear. if you're running a solo healer with no dirge, or have dps stacked and no hate on the tank, expect to have a good challenge on your hands.</p>

[Xalmat]

I just tanked RE2 on my berserker. 9600 HP self buffed, 40.8% avoidance, 49.6% mit, fabled epic, mostly legendary and mastercrafted. Granted, I had two mythical'd healers in my group, but if I can do it anyone can.Skill definitely plays a major role in situations like that.

[LygerT]

<p>your healers play a major role in situations like that, i think you meant to say.</p><p>but yes, if you know what your temps do they can make or break a lesser geared zerker, our temp mitigation buffs pretty much put us deep into diminishing returns, so being like a VP geared zerk for 30 seconds every min and a half and you can rotate them. problem is, during the down times of those and adrenaline it is back to a paper tank you go so the group needs to pay attention.   </p>

[Xalmat]

Yup, pretty much used the temporary buffs very rigorously. Helped a ton.

[Latpow]

<p>I just wanted to chime in to say that I've known and grouped with Lyger waaaay before he became "Mr. Uber Trinitas OT".  He was always a very solid player and had the reputation as such without the raid gear.   He was even passionate enough about his class to stay a zerker even when pretty much every other raiding berserker on the server jumped ship to Guardian.  Maybe the great gear might change your perspective a little bit, but Lyger has been giving great advice about the Berserker class and tanks in general for a while now.  </p><p>Letishia - Illusionist of Revolte</p><p>Darkc - Shadowknight of Revolte</p><p>Mami - Templar of Revolte</p>

[Zhonata]

<p>Lygers the man... I mean the cat....or the "Cat Man". Eh... Whatever yeah he generally knows what he is talking about and has helped a great many Zerkers including my self when i came back after a year out of game. Like I said before Skillz>Gear I dont have the stuff our MT has or Lyger for that matter, Little *Beep*, But still manage to OT mobs during raids and run every zone in this game in offensive stance. Key is to know you class and know when you are the one with the short comings or if its someone else.</p><p>My 2rd run through RE2, a week or so after it came out, I was running with a grp that had already cleared it and I had only gone as far as slamhammer, First 2 runs we lacked sufficent DPS to kill him, We were unable to kill the Final Boss and I was told that it was my fault because I lacked Tower of Stone, Dragoons Reflex's Yada yada...... The grp was only putting out 7-8k DPS and the healers where barely breaking 500 HPS and i was at the top of the parse in Defensive gear. Next run through we Obilterated the zone in 49 min with Me, Brig, Swashy, Dirge, Templar, Inq. The last guy droped like a sack of potato's and we were pushing almost 20k dps. </p><p>Know your class, Know what to expect from other classes.</p>

[LygerT]

<p>ty for the support, i may be a jerk to those who spread misinformation but that is because i get tired of all the BS spread about this class, because we are not the only ones who see it and it only hurts us more as a whole. </p><p>i don't recall ever busting anyone's balls when they came to me with questions, it's just stuff like this thread for example that bother me. </p>

[Aull]

<p>My zerker isn't rok fabled and as a matter of fact I just recently started playing him again and made lvl 80 with him. He was decently decked out with some nice t7 fabled but no avatar loot. I received a call to bring out my zerker and head into chardok for some epic updates. I knew this would be a tough fight for my zerker but every thing went as planned. Had a great time and we got all the updates needed for everyone present in that group. Nothing felt better than to receive the thanks and appreciation for doing a solid job on the tanking end. I know group make up and the other players staying on their toes helped big time.</p><p>The best thing about it was that these people have tried numerous time to get down there with guards, sk's and paladins that they said were far better equiped than me yet they failed, but I went in there with a mind set to do the dead level best that I could and we were victorious.</p><p>Anyway I do appreciate every thing that Lyger has done/posted here on the zerker forums. Keep up the good work. It is a great motivation for me when I play the ole zerk!!</p>

[Xita]

<p>You do need to have some basic gear to get into tanking. When RoK released I was sitting in pretty much all EOF instance gear. I went through the solo quests in ROK and got all the gear there, I was able to easily tank COA and VOES which gave me the gear needed to tank MC, Chelsith Seb and Charodk, which gave me the gear needed to tank RE2, even with marginal groups. The gear i have is enough to tank the mobs in PR with a pathetic 14k raidwide dps (PUR ftl!).</p><p>My guild jokingly tell me to betray to guardian. It's not going to happen.</p><p>If you are having troubles with tanking, work your way through the progression described above. Did you skip the Solo quests and hop into MC as your first instance? Of course you are going to have a bad experience. Do your healers suck? You will die. Is your group made of wizzies, rangers, and monks? of course you are going to struggle to hold aggro. DO you know how to rotate your defensive buffs and stances in the fight... No? then of course you are going to spike damage.</p><p>Tanking correctly in this game requires gear, this is true, but the gear IS accessible, but it takes work.</p><p>All the gear in the world though wont keep you from being a noob... You have to have experience. The funny thing is if you really do the work to get the gear (not just find the uberest heals and dps to force you through a zone) you will also have that experience.</p>

[scottman355]

WowJust logged on to check out what everyone thinks about the change to Adrenaline and this is the first post.I generally don't post, am pretty laid back and do not know Lyger that well, but I can tell you this.He is usually spot on when he says something pertaining to the warrior class, and it's been because he is out there field testing the class in the top raid zones with pretty darn good gear. If he comments on something you post, you might want to take the time to think about it a lil bit.As a fellow Berserker on Mistmoore, I have watched his gear go from RoK End-solo-questline Legendary gear to T1-T3 fabled and now i see him in some of the game's nicest gear. Who would you rather have giving the lion's share of advice on these boards? Some nubcake going dual-wield in treasured and handcrafted gear?