Upgraded player models coming soon?

[Swifthand]

<p>Greetings,</p><p> I've been wondering If races such as Iksar, Frogloks, Ratonga, and Kerran's will ever see alternate upgradable player models like the rest of the races.. Everytime I log into EQ2, I see a froglok that stands more humanoidish and not like the hunchback of notredame. So, does SOE plan on giving the rest of the races new alternate models? Perhaps by the time the expansion goes live?</p>

[Armawk]

I must say I find the player froglok much nicer than the kunark one you are, I assume, referring to. (also, Ratonga are perfect)

[Sphiriah]

The froglok player models and the froglok models from kunark are absolutely not the same races.The playable frogloks are called Guktans, and were evolved into intelligent beings by Mithaniel Marr. The frogloks of Kunark are still the less-intelligent primitive frogloks.

[WeatherMan]

<cite>Vizzuussh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Greetings,</p><p> I've been wondering If races such as Iksar, Frogloks, Ratonga, and Kerran's will ever see alternate upgradable player models like the rest of the races.. Everytime I log into EQ2, I see a froglok that stands more humanoidish and not like the hunchback of notredame. So, does SOE plan on giving the rest of the races new alternate models? Perhaps by the time the expansion goes live?</p></blockquote>In theory, the revamp covers all the races, being that they have one centralized skeletal framework that they can construct new armor and clothing around.  That's the <i><b>theory</b></i>, anyways.  And in the great Original Model versus SOGA debate, there was a rumor (and that is all it was, mind you), that all the races except the ones you have named would possibly have the choice of one of the two head appearances they have now.  And the other possibility was that the models would be new ones entirely.  If this latter scenario is the case, they might indeed consider tweaking your named races to fit onto the new skeleton.That said , don't hold your breath for any of it being released with the new expansion - if at all.

[tikasa]

<cite>WeatherMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vizzuussh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Greetings,</p><p>I've been wondering If races such as Iksar, Frogloks, Ratonga, and Kerran's will ever see alternate upgradable player models like the rest of the races.. Everytime I log into EQ2, I see a froglok that stands more humanoidish and not like the hunchback of notredame. So, does SOE plan on giving the rest of the races new alternate models? Perhaps by the time the expansion goes live?</p></blockquote>In theory, the revamp covers all the races, being that they have one centralized skeletal framework that they can construct new armor and clothing around.  That's the <i><b>theory</b></i>, anyways.  And in the great Original Model versus SOGA debate, there was a rumor (and that is all it was, mind you), that all the races except the ones you have named would possibly have the choice of one of the two head appearances they have now.  And the other possibility was that the models would be new ones entirely.  If this latter scenario is the case, they might indeed consider tweaking your named races to fit onto the new skeleton.That said , don't hold your breath for any of it being released with the new expansion - if at all.</blockquote>Look at the rest of the Forums.    Skeletal revamp is not coming soon.   The software they were trying does not work after 2 years of their promises... so they are probably starting fresh.   Look for new player modeels in 2020 or EQ3 whichever comes first.   They suckered us all.

[Sphiriah]

I really don't get why everyone is so upset about the revamp. It's like you all think you were supposed to get completely new models. The revamp would have affected only the skeleton and other minor things and you probably would not have been able to tell the difference between the two. It would only affect how the models show armor, and open up ways to add new armor models.

[Kitsune286]

Long as they add more whiskers and don't change the fundamental basics of my Ratonga, I don't care. =P(Those basics being; bobbing tail when running and digi-grade feet. I remember early Screenshots when they were flat-footed, which just looks weird, heh.)

[Rijacki]

<cite>Sphiriah wrote:</cite><blockquote>I really don't get why everyone is so upset about the revamp. It's like you all think you were supposed to get completely new models. The revamp would have affected only the skeleton and other minor things and you probably would not have been able to tell the difference between the two. It would only affect how the models show armor, and open up ways to add new armor models.</blockquote>ONE robe structure model and since the vast majority of cloth chest armor is the robe, mages have the most limitations for "looks".Re-colouring and putting new or just only slightly different textures on to the existing armor/clothing structure models and calling them "new".MAJOR visual issues with some races and clothing/armor, for example panties showing on the Formal wear which has now been recoloured for 3 more rewards.  Bad bad clipping for various armor/clothing pieces and some races.No fingers or toes, just lump feet and hands.  No belly buttons.These are all things which were declared as fixable in the new skeletal system.   So many promises were made for being able to add in new armor/clothing.

[Ashlian]

<p>The model they showed us at LAST frigging year's Fan Faire actually did look a lot better overall, so yes, we did think there would be some improvement on how the actual MODEL looked, not just in armor appearances. And if SOE cops out on the armor and model revamp, after promising it for over a year and giving us nearly no information on its progress, I may well start looking for a new game. </p><p>I guess I'll have to wait to see exactly what they've come up with as far as the changes they ARE making to the models with these "snap ons." So I'll wait to see if I'm going to be disappointed with THIS year's expansion, by which time there should at least be guild halls. I do think they need to show off fewer things at Fan Faire that they won't be releasing for over a year though, unless they clearly state "These things are a LONG TIME IN COMING." It makes for less disappointment on the part of the players when we rush home with our stacks of notes and screenshots and talk up what we saw only to wait.....and wait.....and wait some more....and some more......and......</p><p>You catch my drift.</p><p>Not like communication as clear as Domino's always is on the part of OTHER dev's wouldn't help them immensely, too. Be honest. We're a lot more appreciative of your efforts when we know what it is you're actually doing and where we stand on stuff like this then to hear that you're actually no longer even working on something we've been waiting for for a year, and the vagueness of detail on what IS coming is pretty maddening.  </p>

[Qandor]

<cite>Ashlian@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The model they showed us at LAST frigging year's Fan Faire actually did look a lot better overall, so yes, we did think there would be some improvement on how the actual MODEL looked, not just in armor appearances. And if SOE cops out on the armor and model revamp, after promising it for over a year and giving us nearly no information on its progress, I may well start looking for a new game. </p><p>I guess I'll have to wait to see exactly what they've come up with as far as the changes they ARE making to the models with these "snap ons." So I'll wait to see if I'm going to be disappointed with THIS year's expansion, by which time there should at least be guild halls. I do think they need to show off fewer things at Fan Faire that they won't be releasing for over a year though, unless they clearly state "These things are a LONG TIME IN COMING." It makes for less disappointment on the part of the players when we rush home with our stacks of notes and screenshots and talk up what we saw only to wait.....and wait.....and wait some more....and some more......and......</p><p>You catch my drift.</p><p>Not like communication as clear as Domino's always is on the part of OTHER dev's wouldn't help them immensely, too. Be honest. We're a lot more appreciative of your efforts when we know what it is you're actually doing and where we stand on stuff like this then to hear that you're actually no longer even working on something we've been waiting for for a year, and the vagueness of detail on what IS coming is pretty maddening.  </p></blockquote><p>You might want to check the skeletal revamp thread. It appears that the wait is over. They have abandoned consideration of a skeletal reavmp. Kind of ironic in a way. They couldn't make more armor and robe models because of the current skeletons. It was just too hard to do. Turns out that the skeletal revamp was just too hard to do also.</p><p>So the much anticipated and loosely promissed skeletal revamp now passes into legend. This could actually be somewhat of signature event in the world of MMO's. An MMO which survived on the release armor models for its entire life. Polka dot textures on robes cannot be far off. That is about the only texture they haven't used. </p>

[Llach]

<cite>Qandor wrote:</cite> <blockquote><blockquote> Polka dot textures on robes cannot be far off. That is about the only texture they haven't used. </blockquote></blockquote>But I wouldn't hold your breath.  All those complicated circles are probably beyond them too.

[Arcueid]

<p>I thought using the alternate models made all the current models look much better than they are. (Not going to switch back to normal that's for sure!) Here's how female humans look: <a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/Wabbajack2/EQ2/?action=view&current=altmodel01.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/Wabbajack2/EQ2/altmodel01.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" /></a> <a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/Wabbajack2/EQ2/?action=view&current=arcalt01.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/Wabbajack2/EQ2/arcalt01.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" /></a> <a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/Wabbajack2/EQ2/?action=view&current=altmodel02.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/Wabbajack2/EQ2/altmodel02.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" /></a> </p>

[Valentina]

<cite>Hugh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I thought using the alternate models made all the current models look much better than they are. (Not going to switch back to normal that's for sure!) Here's how female humans look:  </p></blockquote>SOGA vs. regular models is a matter of taste.  The SOGA human females have prettier faces (albeit with much less customization) at the cost of incredibly spindly arms and legs.Neither model choice is particularly great, in my opinion.

[Arcueid]

<p>So far I think the Dark Elves got the best end of the deal, the female models look nice in both versions imo.</p>

[ke'la]

<cite>Ashlian@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The model they showed us at LAST frigging year's Fan Faire actually did look a lot better overall, so yes, we did think there would be some improvement on how the actual MODEL looked, not just in armor appearances. And if SOE cops out on the armor and model revamp, after promising it for over a year and giving us nearly no information on its progress, I may well start looking for a new game. </p><p>I guess I'll have to wait to see exactly what they've come up with as far as the changes they ARE making to the models with these "snap ons." So I'll wait to see if I'm going to be disappointed with THIS year's expansion, by which time there should at least be guild halls. I do think they need to show off fewer things at Fan Faire that they won't be releasing for over a year though, unless they clearly state "These things are a LONG TIME IN COMING." It makes for less disappointment on the part of the players when we rush home with our stacks of notes and screenshots and talk up what we saw only to wait.....and wait.....and wait some more....and some more......and......</p><p>You catch my drift.</p><p>Not like communication as clear as Domino's always is on the part of OTHER dev's wouldn't help them immensely, too. Be honest. We're a lot more appreciative of your efforts when we know what it is you're actually doing and where we stand on stuff like this then to hear that you're actually no longer even working on something we've been waiting for for a year, and the vagueness of detail on what IS coming is pretty maddening. </p></blockquote>You mean like saying something along the lines of "Next we are going to talk about our short-term project list" then having the Sr. Producer at the time, break in and say "by long term we are talking the Geologic Scale" BEFOR showing us either the Guild Halls OR the New Map System... the only things talked about at the Future of EQ2 forum that have not been implemented.The Skeletal revamp thing was at a differant forum, and one in which we where told even then they are a long way off, from beta wich is a long way from being in game.Heck, when I know somewhere in the thread I made about it I guessed that we would not hear anthing more from the devs until this Fan Faire.

[troodon]

<cite>xsikal wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hugh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I thought using the alternate models made all the current models look much better than they are. (Not going to switch back to normal that's for sure!) Here's how female humans look:  </p></blockquote>SOGA vs. regular models is a matter of taste.  The SOGA human females have prettier faces (albeit with much less customization) at the cost of incredibly spindly arms and legs.Neither model choice is particularly great, in my opinion.</blockquote>SOGA human female is the only SOGA I use.  I can't stand the normal human females.

[Cusashorn]

The Monster races were intentionally left alone because the SOGA company thought they fit who they should be.

[Seiden]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Monster races were intentionally left alone because the SOGA company thought they fit who they should be.</blockquote>Good.