Sword graphic for brawlers?!?

[Kram337]

I just saw a 34 monk holding swords. I was extrodinarily excited to see such a site as I've been pretty bored with my bruisers weapons. The weapon was called Dingy Blade of the Shadow Lurker. The weapon is brawler only. Kinda cool.Any chance of getting more bladed type weapons for brawlers?

[Isoloki]

You can get those weapons yourself. by doing the tempest quests. You do the quests, you get cetificates that you can buy them..But I agree it would be nice to see the monks and bruisers get more weapons like that. I don't even have one. All I know is my swashy is jealous. lol

[Terayon]

Then don't complain when you see platers and other classes with Gi's n such, lol. Frankly seems out of place for a bruiser to use a weapon they abhor.. (( hence why their brawlers not Warriors))

[Cusashorn]

<p>First off: no, nobody else but brawlers should ever be allowed to wear a gi. Especially a gi NAMED after a Monk tribe. Gi of the Jarsath SWIFTTAIL. That's a huge insult to brawlers everywhere that this gi, along with 3 others across Kunark, can be worn by everyone.</p><p> 2nd. They're KATANA blades. That's all we've been given, and they're better for decoration than actual combat.</p>

[Armawk]

<p>Wow a monk/brawler player who wants to stay the only class with unique appearance stuff but to have everyone elses stuff as well. WHOdathoughtit.</p>

[Cusashorn]

I never said I wanted everyone else's stuff. I don't want swords. These are Katana blades. Try looking them up and connecting the dots between martial arts and japanese swords. Maybe you'll understand why SoE gave them to us as part of this live event.

[Kitsune286]

My monk likes her swords, and hopes that in the event of weapon appearnce slots, she can use them. Off-topic, but I believe 'true' Gi's don't look anything like the Gi's we have in game. =p Unfortunately, Google keeps thinking 'gi' means G.I , hah.

[Finora]

<p>My monk loves her katanas =). Price in tickets varies by level. 1 ticket for the lower kinds, 4 tickets I think for the highest level.</p><p>And really... I've always thought it ridiculous that ONLY monks/bruisers get to wear what they call gi's in this game (I've never seen a real gi that looked anything like those). I'm thrilled that some other classes get to wear them as of Kunark. I'd probably not use them for any of my girls but it's quite nice to have the option there.</p>

[Coniaric]

<p>And what? Should the monks (and bruisers) roll over and have nearly every other class wear what is brawler's class-defining look?</p><p>I'm sorry if the plate, chain, leather (other than gi), or cloth aren't unique enough for everyone, but enabling gi-style outfit to be class-wide doesn't sit right. The gi style has been part of Everquest and the Monk class since it first started nearly 10 years ago. Other classes should have their class-defining appearance, not "borrowing" some other class's clothing. </p><p>Monk's class hat is not even a class only hat either. Anyone, not just brawlers, can wear one for a long time.</p><p>The katana blade is a nice touch ... that's all. It's not something to use for daily combat very much. </p>

[WeatherMan]

Wearing a gi was (at one time) one of the few incentives to actually <i><b>be</b></i> a brawler.  Brawlers are overlooked for raids and the like, and they are rarely someone's first choice for tanking duties (at least on LDL - I see lots of advertisements for 'looking for plate tank for <dungeon name>' in the open chat channels, and actually get tells asking me to join groups - on my berserker.  Never on my bruiser).I'll agree that the swords are nice - but there's no way to upgrade them after you've outlevelled them.  The're ranked every ten levels on the 5 (at 35, 45, 55, etcetera), so unless you plan to be level 75 regardless of your brawler level at the moment (thus having the finest set of swords available), great - but that just isn't an option for everyone.  A set for a level 35 monk will likely only be used to keep a Slashing skill up on grey mobs, and then swapped out for fistwraps or batons once it becomes impractical to use them as a damage-dealing weapon.  Once this event is over - that's it.  No way to upgrade.  So unless you plan to powerlevel to 75 before they become unavailable, you're SOL.On gis again (and I think I have mentiond this before), they once served a function as a brawler-only item.  They were the defining symbol of the brawler art, much in the same way that a 'belt' defines a great deal of martial artists on Earth today.  A bruiser would accept that a monk was also a practitioner of the brawler's martial tradition (even if they did serve a complete pansy of a Queen), and thus would not complain about monks wearing the distictive battle leathers of the ultimate warrior tradition - but no one else had 'earned' (speaking from a brawler arts perspective) the right to don them, much the same way that I could put on a black karate belt if I wanted to.  I don't know a thing about karate, so while I can buy one at a martial arts surplus store, I haven't actually earned the right to wear it.But now, anyone who is not a strict clothie can wear a gi, and the bruisers and monks of Norrath are left standing in befuddlement as spell-slinging and greatsword-brandishing pretenders ride by in what was once an exclusive tradition of the brawler's art.  And they are left holding a single type of sword in recompense, one that cannot be upgraded after a cosmic event (GU 47) washes over Norrath, mystically denying any of their new bretheren the chance to hold one of these blades for themselves.

[Finora]

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And what? Should the monks (and bruisers) roll over and have nearly every other class wear what is brawler's class-defining look?</p><p>I'm sorry if the plate, chain, leather (other than gi), or cloth aren't unique enough for everyone, but enabling gi-style outfit to be class-wide doesn't sit right. The gi style has been part of Everquest and the Monk class since it first started nearly 10 years ago. Other classes should have their class-defining appearance, not "borrowing" some other class's clothing. </p><p>Monk's class hat is not even a class only hat either. Anyone, not just brawlers, can wear one for a long time.</p><p>The katana blade is a nice touch ... that's all. It's not something to use for daily combat very much. </p></blockquote><p>Roll over? No. Get real about it? Yes. What reason really is there that people couldn't figure out after all this time how to put on a pair of pants and a sports bra? And being 'unique enough' doesn't even begin to cover it. Try not even the teensiest bit unique at all for every thing other than this game's  'gis'. No class other than brawlers have had a unique look in eq2 ever.  What makes brawlers so very special that they are the only classes that get to have something other than the faction clothing that shows some skin (which is one reason so many others love to wear the gis). And as for being the brawler thing since eq1. Why don't dark elves show their butt cheeks in leather then? Why doesn't my human female wear a corset? Where's the half elf thong? Why aren't all bards bright blue, all cleric's purple and rangers dressed in green? Why aren't bards the fastest things going? Why aren't their instruments that make bards work better...I can go on but I think people can get the drift. Eq2 isn't Eq1 and the old rules just don't apply here.   </p><p>The monk class hat, now that should be corrected. Class hat looks should really be just that. Unique class hats.  I was pretty annoyed that so many classes shared hats when they first came out and I still see druids & defilers running around with the mystic bear hats. If they ever give real class armor, that should be unique.  We've not seen any that really was yet though. Most has just be recolors of old skins (often look nice, but certainly far from unique).</p><p>I personally think a quest more like the belt quests in Eq1 would be far more of a brawler icon than some breeches & a bra or man [Removed for Content] but I guess that's just me. So many of the board brawlers frequently get up in arms about some new item dropping that has the gi appearance. </p>

[Armawk]

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And what? Should the monks (and bruisers) roll over and have nearly every other class wear what is brawler's class-defining look?</p><p>I'm sorry if the plate, chain, leather (other than gi), or cloth aren't unique enough for everyone</p></blockquote><p>Other classes dont GET class defining looks. </p><p>Plate, chain, leather, cloth, everyone can wear almost everything dependent only on weight class. If magically imbued robes were mage only and healer leathers were druid only you would have a point.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And what? Should the monks (and bruisers) roll over and have nearly every other class wear what is brawler's class-defining look?</p><p>I'm sorry if the plate, chain, leather (other than gi), or cloth aren't unique enough for everyone</p></blockquote><p>Other classes dont GET class defining looks. </p><p>Plate, chain, leather, cloth, everyone can wear almost everything dependent only on weight class. If magically imbued robes were mage only and healer leathers were druid only you would have a point.</p></blockquote>All the more reason why monks across the game want everyone else to have thier own look. You won't hear us complaining if everyone else gets thier own unique armor appearance. Just give us back ours. Monks have always had a Gi look ever since EQ started in 1999. Nobody ever complained about wanting to look like a monk, mostly because the armor appearances were hard-coded into the race and class you played. It's tradition. Period.

[Armawk]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite> <blockquote>All the more reason why monks across the game want everyone else to have thier own look. You won't hear us complaining if everyone else gets thier own unique armor appearance. Just give us back ours. Monks have always had a Gi look ever since EQ started in 1999. Nobody ever complained about wanting to look like a monk, mostly because the armor appearances were hard-coded into the race and class you played. It's tradition. Period.</blockquote><p>Ive never heard anyone who played a monk say they want that, but Ill take your word for it.</p><p>The tradition got biffed for everyone else, so it just seems unsurprising to me that its not considered a rule by sony anymore.</p>

[Moonbaby]

Am I the only one that read the OP? This thread isn't even about Gi's lol

[Coniaric]

<p>Yes. Then it was brought that the brawlers shouldn't complain about the gi becoming a general wear, just because of the katanas that came with the live update.</p><p>And so it went on from there.</p>

[WeatherMan]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite> <blockquote>All the more reason why monks across the game want everyone else to have thier own look. You won't hear us complaining if everyone else gets thier own unique armor appearance. Just give us back ours. Monks have always had a Gi look ever since EQ started in 1999. Nobody ever complained about wanting to look like a monk, mostly because the armor appearances were hard-coded into the race and class you played. It's tradition. Period.</blockquote><p>Ive never heard anyone who played a monk say they want that, but Ill take your word for it.</p><p>The tradition got biffed for everyone else, so it just seems unsurprising to me that its not considered a rule by sony anymore.</p></blockquote>I play a monk.I want that.@Moonbaby: No, you aren't the only one who read what the OP said.  Coniaric's latest response demonstrates how we have arrived at this point in the discussion, but it <i><b>is</b></i> all germaine to the topic.  Throwing brawlers some swords that, while not bad weapons, are not as good as some easily obtainable ones that are much better.   Saying "oh look, brawlers can use swords now" is far from being realistic about it.  If they spontaneously upgraded to the next level when you reached it, that might be a logical argument - but once this event is over, so is getting the upgraded versions of the sword.  Period.I used the swords from the Tempest quests to boost my Slashing skill...and then re-equipped my MC batons because, frankly, they're much better.I don't blame non-brawlers for wearing the gis.  I blame Sony for doing a cop-out instead of addressing the sartorial uniqueness that every class should have in their own right.  <i><b>That</b></i> is what brawlers are annoyed about.

[Squallaby]

1) Cusa's been beating that horse for a  long time, he jsut gets offended by non monks wearing gi's. Its his thing..2) as for the real topic, back when I played a monk (release through DoF) I woulda LOVED those things.. I think it looks great. Very nice. <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> As others have pointed out its katanas, and hardly even worth using for the most part, but the look is top notch.

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">They are pretty fast weapons and with fast monk CA's the speed isn't really an issue, sure for heavy stuff (Instance/Dungeons/Raids/Heroics) I'll swap back to my mains, but for traveling it they are actually pretty decent.</span>

[Valentina]

Didn't you realize? -EVERY- thread is an opportunity for the brawler-gi agenda. I have a monk and a bruiser, and I could not care less if other classes get to wear these pseudo gis, personally.

[Ahlana]

Here is a REAL Gi... Sony code it up and put it in game for monks and brawlers only <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="http://www.tecomputing.com/downloads/gi.jpg" border="0" alt="" />

[Valentina]

<cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here is a REAL Gi... Sony code it up and put it in game for monks and brawlers only <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Depends on the art, really.  I know our dojo doesn't go with a full hakama/kimono combo, except in formal occasions or for swordplay.  A lot of the arts use something more like this:  (image courtesy of wikipedia)<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Kata1.jpg/399px-Kata1.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Coniaric]

<p>I'm wondering ... why the term "real"? Real to Earth? Or to Norrath?</p>

[WeatherMan]

Real to Earth...IMO, there is no cultural or historical precedent behind 'real world' monk clothing for Norrathian brawlers.  And at a <i><b>huge</b></i> stretch, while an odd monk <i><b>might</b></i> dress like that, no bruiser (or bruiser-turned-monk) worth their fistwraps would consider hanging up their battle leathers for something like that, not without a huge dare promising lots of money and still sober.  There is simply nothing in the Norrathian tradition that mandates it.That is, however, a good reason for giving brawlers a 'katana'...but if you read the name of the weapon, it is <i><b>not</b></i> a katana.  It is something else entirely - and is likely an ancient 'monk weapon' only recently re-introduced to brawlers across Norrath.  But, someone will likely flibble about that, too, and brawlers will lose it along with the gi and class hat as unique features.  Simply appears to be the way the wind is blowing.

[Khandor]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And what? Should the monks (and bruisers) roll over and have nearly every other class wear what is brawler's class-defining look?</p><p>I'm sorry if the plate, chain, leather (other than gi), or cloth aren't unique enough for everyone</p></blockquote><p>Other classes dont GET class defining looks. </p><p>Plate, chain, leather, cloth, everyone can wear almost everything dependent only on weight class. If magically imbued robes were mage only and healer leathers were druid only you would have a point.</p></blockquote>All the more reason why monks across the game want everyone else to have thier own look. You won't hear us complaining if everyone else gets thier own unique armor appearance. Just give us back ours. Monks have always had a Gi look ever since EQ started in 1999. Nobody ever complained about wanting to look like a monk, mostly because the armor appearances were hard-coded into the race and class you played. It's tradition. Period.</blockquote>Cusashorn, for the longest time I have monitored your post for monks and their looks and I gotta say I 100% agree with EVERYTHING you have ever said. No matter how many times people whine and complain about it. And Cusa, keep whining about it, as much as possible. That's the only way anything will get done. That's why they have gi's for everyone, cuz everyone else whined, griped and QQ'd about it until SOE came down and said 'OKAY OKAY SHUT THE HELL UP, HERE TAKE IT.' Yes, GI's should be monk/bruiser ONLY. The weapons are KATANA'S, I do not want to wield a broadsword, or claymore, or anything, but I do use the katana's for appearance, and it is NOT uncommon to see pictures of monks wielding swords, in fact I recall in another thread there were pictures of real life monks WIELDING SWORDS, and on top of that, the swords were scimitars, which imo is out of place, katana's feel just right.As for the whole everyone wanting a GI deal, I have an assassin.. I have a zerker, I have something from every archetype in the game, and after seeing level 80 assassins running around in a GI, it looks ridiculous, seriously. They don't even look good on other classes. And for everyone who's gonna whine about what I just said, I fully think each class should have it's own armor style and look. I even wear a mage robe from time to time that I got WHEN NO ONE WANTED IT. I have lost the roll to the swifttail gi to 2 assassins and a zerker who thought it 'looked good' and even then it's LEATHER PEOPLE, hello? Get it, who wears leather armor aside from priests? oh, brawlers.. who wear GI's. Holy crap, it's amazing. The stats are good, but it's ridiculous. But I have never taken something like a mage robe from a needy player. I think scouts should have something for their class, I think all the priests should have a type of armor, and as far as I know, plate wearing fighters do have their own look and I think it's awesome, I like the bulky looking armor, and the vanguard armor looks really good on my zerker. Though now the skin tight plate armor that they have out is pretty pathetic *aka Qeynos guard wear* But the other stuff is fine, I'd like to see a LOT more variation in the model but that won't ever happen. But I have seen way too many zerkers running around with a gi on their appearance and tanking and such with a claymore or sword and board and that just looks dumb. And also remember this too, there is a monk hat out there that anyone can wear, there is now a bruiser bandana that anyone can wear, and everyone cept mages can wear a type of gi now. I don't see any assassin/ranger hoods out for anyone, or wizard hats, or any other class design being whored out to the masses. Closes thing brawlers can wear that looks like plate is that hideous plastic looking cloth armor sold in nek from the bloodlines questline. So if anyone has the right to complain, it's brawlers and perhaps mages for people wearing robes, but even then that's pretty iffy, but I rarely hear that. It's usually the scouts whining about the GI's. Seriously, people need to actually use their head. And yes, I am completely ashamed at the lack of variety in clothing types in EQ2 for plate/leather/chain/cloth, it's mostly the same crap with the same ugly designs on it. There is no excuse why a level 80 player needs to have equipment that looks like it was a level 10 crafted set. I saw a bruiser the other day, and his armor at level 77 looked like the same padded armor crap you can get off the vendor at level 10. Armor models are extremly limited in the game and that's SOE's fault. Supposedly that'll all change when the skeleton revamp happens, but I don't think that'll ever occur. Now, for the katana's, we should have more sword weapons for brawlers, true it doesn't fit the 'bruiser' type class, but they need lovin too. I hate the fist weapons we have, because we don't actually HOLD the stupid things, they kinda float off our hands when using a fist weapon as a monk. Though I think claw based weapons that would be attached to the back of the hand would look far better than the katars and other weapons we have now that just hover. Bruisers, I dunno, I honestly feel sorry for em, because I think the looks of a brawler class seem to fit a monk more than a bruiser, but I dunno what to say for them, but hey, if they're a brawler, want swords, go for the katana's, I won't say anything about it. They should just take monk/bruiser combine it into one class, call it swifttail monk, and make it iksar only. :b And yes, at level 80, the katana's are not even worth using aside from appearance once you've done a few runs. The epic fist weapon and the knuckledusters are far superior to the katana's, so it's not like people are using them as a norm anyways. And I know, everyone's gonna whine about what I said, thing is, don't care, never will. I've said my piece and I won't change it. Bottom line, SoE needs more unique armor for all classes that are class specific only, katana's should be a monk weapon. And again, this is not real life, this is a game, if they wanted to give rangers bazookas, and attached it to the lore of the class, then that's fine with me.

[Xanrn]

Yes other Classes do have unique looks.The Class hats from KoS both the dropped and quested ones, all except Brawlers who both had their class hat whored out to the general public.

[Khandor]

I'm more talking about the armor set in general than the actual hats. The rice bowl being whored I was able to deal with, it was a little thing, but the GI's were definitive. Though I'm still wondering where my generic can be used by anyone assassin/ranger hood is. hmmm.

[Beldin_]

The reason everyone wants a GI is not because its a GI .. its just the lack of any "sexy" armor in the game.

[Kitsune286]

<cite>Xanrn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes other Classes do have unique looks.The Class hats from KoS both the dropped and quested ones, all except Brawlers who both had their class hat whored out to the general public.</blockquote>Known (from the top of my head) shared class graphics:Ranger Hood - Cowl of the TricksterWizard Pointy-Hat - Halls of Fate (Dunno name, is fabled)Bruiser 'Band' - RE2 (Dunno name)Monk Rice-Hat - KJ Quest Reward (Dunno name)Paladin Wings - Templar specific-hat from Labs - Uncaged guyAll I can think of atm. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Crymsyn]

<cite>Kendara@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote>The reason everyone wants a GI is not because its a GI .. its just the lack of any "sexy" armor in the game.</blockquote><p>EXACTLY!!! My defiler would never wear that gi out side of 1) walking around the city or her home during RP of casual times or 2) a social occasion like attending a tavern where she wants to look sexy. </p><p> If they gave us NON monk/bruiser types a specific graphic based off the gi or even something similar we wouldn't want a gi. As it is now.. I have my dressy sexy look I've mixed and matched so I want casual sexy and I with something like that available.. I am happy. Men can now use the invis armor to create a similar kind of look thanks to appearance slots but we females are woefully without anything close.</p>

[Katsi]

*giggles*Cannot resist....<img src="http://www.realmcollections.com/images/p/Medieval_Child_Costumes_Museum_MUR-100794_5986.jpg" alt="" border="0" />~ Cerilynn

[Ner`Zhul]

<cite>Kittsune@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>My monk likes her swords, and hopes that in the event of weapon appearnce slots, she can use them.Off-topic, but I believe 'true' Gi's don't look anything like the Gi's we have in game. =pUnfortunately, Google keeps thinking 'gi' means G.I , hah. </blockquote><p>ok I think I've found the answer just now about "gi" from wiki...</p><p>"Gi (ぎ, 着)" is Japanese:...  (maybe you can't see Japanese character but I still leave it there :p)</p><p>"gi" is a kind of uniform used in Japan for martial arts</p><p>just some information <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Finora]

<cite>Xanrn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes other Classes do have unique looks.The Class hats from KoS both the dropped and quested ones, all except Brawlers who both had their class hat whored out to the general public.</blockquote><p>Don't forget that when the hats were released many classes shared a graphic. ALL 6 mage classes had exactly the same hat at one point. 4 of the 6 priests had the same hat. The graphics weren't changed retroactively, you had to actually go hand the hat back in to get the new look. Many people didn't like the new look over the old one for their class so never traded them in. </p><p>True you don't see rangers running around in wizard hats nor berserkers wearing the mystic bear head, but you do still see coercers (for example) with the wizard hat look &  druids running around with dead bears on their heads.</p><p>I personally can count on one hand the number of people that weren't brawlers wearing either of the brawler class hats and the people I know who wear the gi's wear them specifically because they are revealing & not a dress. </p><p>I stand in the corner with no class hats for anyone outside of that particular class. For the gis, I think if the devs put more effort in the other armors/casual clothing with more variety, you wouldn't see many people wearing them that weren't brawlers. </p>