Node respawn rate

[WeatherMan]

First, my apologies if this has been brought up previously.  A search did not bring up any threads specifically relating to this, so:I have a tradeskiller approaching 50, but adventure level is just barely past 30.  I like to keep harvesting skills on par with the tradeskill level needed, plus there is the obvious need to actually get the materials needed in order to tradeskill.The reasons for this quickly become apparent.  One, the materials sold on the broker, such as roots and hard metals, are frequently sold at wallet-sodomizing prices.  Two, they are there because someone is trying to make money (which I have no quarrel with). Whether one can afford them or not is irrelevant.  As I am violently opposed to the concept of price controls, that leaves only one option (which I have never had an issue with, either): Get the stuff myself.However, if the nodes are not there to harvest from, you can't harvest from them, as they are not there to harvest from.  With me so far?Certain nodes are out of reach, due to the fact they are surrounded by hostile mobs of rather superior ability, and the easily-accessible ones in these zones have been strip-mined due to the 'make-a-buck' crowd (such as a Master Armorer harvesting all the hard metals in the easy-to-reach zone and pointedly not harvesting in the places where his adventure level renders him immune to aggro).  Harvesting among the superior hostiles would not bother me, save for the irritating occurrence of "How can you think of harvesting at a time like this?"  I have had the sheer bad luck of having my father drop by for a visit just as I utter something like "Because I want the f***ing root, you stupid piece of s***, THAT'S how I can think of it!"Dying doesn't bother me.  Heck, if we had corpse runs, it wouldn't bother me (although I am thankful we don't).  What bothers me is dying for nothing.  If I don't at least get what I want from the harvesting node, its a waste of time and effort.The point is this: I have sat (for example) on top of the Fool's Gold in Rivervale, and watched endless stretches of 'safe-area' node-bare hills.  I may have harvested a few, or it may have already been strip-mined when I got there.  Regardless, it stays bare.  No nodes.  Nothing.  For over an hour.  On several occasions.  I have obstinately sat there, recording the times between spawns - when they even bother to spawn at all, that is.  And I know no one is harvesting them, because you can't harvest while invisible or stealthed (at least, not that I know of), and I deliberately make sure I keep a constant eye on all the spawn points that are accessible.Because after almost 18 years of marraige, I have learned that you need mountains of proof when you're trying to make a point.Thus we come to this: Why is the respawn rate for these nodes so utterly stunted and autistic?  And is there a plan to make this LESS stunted and autistic?  Because this sucks.  A lot.

[Spyderbite]

I have exactly the opposite experience in Rivervale. Weird.I clear out the "safe zone" on my level 39 assassin.. then I zone back in to EL and harvest for 30 minutes, come back to Rivervale and its flourished with fresh nodes. Now, one thing that I do that you may or may not be doing is harvest everything. Bushes, roots, dens, rocks and ores. I even a fish a bit. That's the only thing I can think of that I do differently from most people when harvesting. Otherwise, the spawn rates seem fine to me.

[WeatherMan]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have exactly the opposite experience in Rivervale. Weird.I clear out the "safe zone" on my level 39 assassin.. then I zone back in to EL and harvest for 30 minutes, come back to Rivervale and its flourished with fresh nodes. Now, one thing that I do that you may or may not be doing is harvest everything. Bushes, roots, dens, rocks and ores. I even a fish a bit. That's the only thing I can think of that I do differently from most people when harvesting. Otherwise, the spawn rates seem fine to me.</blockquote>I doubt the experience is due to the fact you're on a PvP server...or maybe it is...I have no idea.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />But yes, I do harvest everything - I'm one of those weird people who sells the stuff that no one else wants...soft ores, foodstuffs, that sort of thing, for a copper per unit.  It may take a long time, but it usually sells - and although it's only a few copper here and there, its a few copper I didn't have previously.  And there's always the chance for a rare - these usually wind up in the guild bank if it's a material I don't use.Plus there's no possible way someone can tell me to drop my prices.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />In addition, 'cherry-pickers' are first cousins to the jackwipes who run up and start harvesting the nodes that another person is working on.  Maybe not the ethical midgets that the latter are and not deserving of a violent and bloody beating, but they're still annoying.  Unless there is absolutely <i><b>no way</b></i> I can get to a certain node, I harvest everything.  If I want to keep harvesting and I run out of room, I'll start deleting things...until I absolutely cannot delete anything else without defeating the purpose.  The only time I shamelessly cherry-pick is in an instanced zone - the Eternal Gorge, Cauldron Hollow, and so on - and even then, I'll do that only if pressed for time.Granted, LDL is one of the more heavily-populated servers, so there might be some coding on the issue that needs addressing, I really don't know.  What I do know is that this has held up my tradeskill progression due to my refusal to pay the usurous prices on the broker.  Mind you, progressing will take as long as it takes, I realize that.  And I fully expect to be held hostage by broker prices.  But I resent being held hostage by the nodes themselves.

[Oh]

<p>I've never had a problem with nodes respawning. In the lower tier's I've had to clear cut nodes because that is just the way it works. You clean out everything and HOPE that what you want will spawn and then HOPE that it will give you want you want instead of silly loams. </p><p>My main suggestions are a) try different times of the day/night/week/weekend. you might be butting heads against a higher level adventureer that is clearing it out before you. (not sure just a thought), b) try someplace else, c) level your adventure to go farming. d) some combination of all of the above.</p><p>I will make one comment thou, you stated that there was a "high level adventureer" harvesting in one of the easier areas, I hate to burst your bubble but there is nothing wrong with it. Frankly folks harvest where it is easy to get the sheer volume of parts needed to level a tradeskiller. I have multiple level 80 ts'ers, and it took a bunch of farming cause like you I didn't want to pay the high broker prices. The main difference thou is I have the extra benifit of levels so I can cut down my harvest times to some degree. </p>

[Calthine]

<cite>WeatherMan wrote:</cite><blockquote>The point is this: I have sat (for example) on top of the Fool's Gold in Rivervale, and watched endless stretches of 'safe-area' node-bare hills. I may have harvested a few, or it may have already been strip-mined when I got there. Regardless, it stays bare. No nodes. Nothing. For over an hour. On several occasions. I have obstinately sat there, recording the times between spawns - when they even bother to spawn at all, that is. And I know no one is harvesting them, because you can't harvest while invisible or stealthed (at least, not that I know of), and I deliberately make sure I keep a constant eye on all the spawn points that are accessible.</blockquote>I know exactly what you're talking about, and I think it's this:  You know how in the olde-worlde there are harvesting "regions" that share a respawn?  Like the Oracle Tower-to-Arden Needle area in Antonia? I think that the area that includes the safe harvesting spot is much bigger than just what's safe, so the respawns are happening somewhere else.  For example, after the zone greyed out for me, I discovered that the farm just over ther north bridge will be loaded.

[WeatherMan]

<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I will make one comment thou, you stated that there was a "high level adventureer" harvesting in one of the easier areas, I hate to burst your bubble but there is nothing wrong with it. Frankly folks harvest where it is easy to get the sheer volume of parts needed to level a tradeskiller. I have multiple level 80 ts'ers, and it took a bunch of farming cause like you I didn't want to pay the high broker prices. The main difference thou is I have the extra benifit of levels so I can cut down my harvest times to some degree. </p></blockquote>I think you misunderstood what I said.This individual was not harvesting everything in sight.  If he'd been harvesting every single mother-lovin' god-blessed node in the vicinity and within eyesight and reach, well fine and dandy.  True, I might not get in any harvesting, but the respawn rate might not have been so off-kilter, or, as Calthine points out, the nodes reappearing elsewhere.  And I would have no cause to be annoyed. No, this schmuck was making a point of taking <i><b>only those nodes that were not in the vicinity of a hostile mob</b></i>, even though he was easily 20+ levels higher than they were.  Not moving on to harvest other nodes in obvious reach/view, even hard metals or roots.  This is an indication that the player is a certain something, a compound word comprised of the casual form of the name 'Richard', and the layman's term for 'cranium'.  People like this should be sterilized so they don't reproduce and continue to further degrade the collective intellect of humanity.Regardless, I am a patient person - I will wait until September when the kiddies are back in school, and can hopefully obtain what I need with a much-reduced competition rate.

[Oakleafe]

Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't all out to get you! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Sadly, there are people who get a kick out of doing stuff just like that.  If he wasn't doing that I'm sure he'd be parking his mount in front of a banker or broker somewhere!In my opinion, there is no issue with the respawn rate for areas where all the nodes are cleared.  You mentioned that you were perched on the Fool's Gold, so I just thought I'd add that for PvE the "safe zone" is larger than that but not all PvE's know it.On PvE you have the area to the left of the Fool's Gold, which is no go because of the sting-tailed rats.  The "island" straight ahead is no go for the same reason.  The hills up to the right are no go because of the aggro-halfings and pups (there are no nodes there anyway).  BUT the area beyond the "island" has a good stretch of mostly aggro-free harvesting (don't stray over the hill by the river) - where the "good" dryads hang out (quite litterally!).  In PvE, with a bit of care, you can pick off some of the nodes in the aggro areas as well.Just posting this in case it is also true for PvP but that you were not aware of it; you certainly could not have kept an eye on the whole area from the Fool's Gold, which is what made me post.If this helps, I'm glad. If it doesn't, then it's just my time I wasted. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Just on a side note, you might want to start thinking about alternate methods of sourcing raws as it's not going to get any easier and, apart from roots & fish, I think you'll be fairly stumped when you get to the KoS levels.  So, maybe bite the bullet and level up, or, as you seem to be a "good guildie" (and well done you for that, not enough around IMO) maybe see if you can do some deals with guild friends to help you out with raws.

[Kellin]

If you're having that much trouble in Rivervale, you might want to check out Feerrott. Yes, it's crawling with mobs, but there are places where they're spaced pretty well, and if you've got a runspeed buff, you can usually keep out of trouble. There's also an area in Everfrost (the canyon with all the adventurers and wolves), but it's very difficult to reach initially, so I don't usually recommend it. Harvesting zones that are agro to you is an adventure! Get naked and run with it!

[denmom]

I've also seen the same thing in Rivervale.When my Paladin was in her upper 30's (brought her out of retirement July last year, she was crafter only for a long time), I was leveling her harvesting in the area of the Fool's Gold then the dryads' area (harvesting levels were high due to high level crafter). I would take everything, dodging around the aggro green dryads (nymphs I think). I knew I was the only one in there, I would /who before I started.I could clear, one or two would repop, then nothing for a long time. I'd even go out and back in again several times and there'd be nothing. I'd head to Feerrott with my healer duo partner, then head back to Rivervale, still barren.I've taken my L80 Warden into the back area of Rivervale where all the Nightbloods are, harvested it bare, moved across all nodes that I could find to the front then made my way back to the Nightbloods. The safe areas around the dryads would remain bare but the back area would respawn like clockwork.I've used the safe area of Rivervale with my alts (I've seven that I adventure on) and I've seen this same thing with the ones I've brought up thru there./shrugs Dunno what's up either...just wanted to say that WeatherMan isn't the only one to see this sort of oddness.

[Oh]

<cite>WeatherMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I will make one comment thou, you stated that there was a "high level adventureer" harvesting in one of the easier areas, I hate to burst your bubble but there is nothing wrong with it. Frankly folks harvest where it is easy to get the sheer volume of parts needed to level a tradeskiller. I have multiple level 80 ts'ers, and it took a bunch of farming cause like you I didn't want to pay the high broker prices. The main difference thou is I have the extra benifit of levels so I can cut down my harvest times to some degree. </p></blockquote>I think you misunderstood what I said.This individual was not harvesting everything in sight.  If he'd been harvesting every single mother-lovin' god-blessed node in the vicinity and within eyesight and reach, well fine and dandy.  True, I might not get in any harvesting, but the respawn rate might not have been so off-kilter, or, as Calthine points out, the nodes reappearing elsewhere.  And I would have no cause to be annoyed. No, this schmuck was making a point of taking <i><b>only those nodes that were not in the vicinity of a hostile mob</b></i>, even though he was easily 20+ levels higher than they were.  Not moving on to harvest other nodes in obvious reach/view, even hard metals or roots.  This is an indication that the player is a certain something, a compound word comprised of the casual form of the name 'Richard', and the layman's term for 'cranium'.  People like this should be sterilized so they don't reproduce and continue to further degrade the collective intellect of humanity.Regardless, I am a patient person - I will wait until September when the kiddies are back in school, and can hopefully obtain what I need with a much-reduced competition rate.</blockquote>OK I did misunderstand what you said, yea that person is really a lowlife. Unfortunatly I hate to burst your bubble but it's not always "kiddies" that do this. Some folks just love to anoying/harass/bug/whatever other folks. Although odds are you are right it mostlikely is a "kiddies" cause most adults (note not all) have better things to do with their life then to sit in a video game and basically harass other folks.

[GrunEQ]

<span style="font-size: x-small;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">I have to say that when I was harvesting that area in Rivervale, I had a route I would follow, and I noticed that that area was a slow respawn compared to others.  But that might just be my perception, but it does agree with yours.</span>

[Lodrelhai]

While it doesn't help with the respawn timers, they did make it so you can harvest while under attack a few months back.  Only problem is the harvest is interruptable, so it can take a lot of attempts to get the node while under fire.

[Ragnaphore]

<p>I leveled harvest with a few tradeskillers in Rivervale (as low as lvl 9 adv.) I've never had problem with node respawn (well, except the raw I wanted - whatever it was - was almost never up  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />&nbsp<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p>Just a few "tricks" for when everything can one shot you there : </p><p>1. Don't bother if 2 ppl or more are already harvesting, there's just not enough nodes.  </p><p>2. It's a hilly ground, you can't just stand there and look for nodes, run around. You can't semi-AFK harvest there unless you're alone in zone.  </p><p>3. Rather than only  the "safe areas" try the "mostly safe areas" too. You can go as far as the farm and find 2 or 3 "safe" nodes there for exemple. If you're lucky with the spawn (some KoS and non-KoS mobs share the spawn point in RV) you can harvest parts of the rats or bandits hills too. </p><p>That said, if you're lvl 30+ with invis/stealth, Feerott is the way to go.</p>

[feldon30]

Wait until Kunark (70-80). There are zones where the mobs actually camp the harvesting nodes.

[Whilhelmina]

My husband told me that he tried harvesting in rivervale yesterday and had to wait near an hour for a respawn of the nodes. As I wasn't there I can't say if he harvested everything in the zone and was checking all the spawn points but he seemed to think so.

[feldon30]

Considering how large Rivervale is, I find it unlikely that he was checking every node, but I wasn't there. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Was he completely clearing all the nodes including ones he didn't want? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />