Shield of the Green Dragon "change"

[Cyrdemac]

Just for those, that didn't found this hidden topic. The shield is going to be reduced on its protection value and loosing therefore around 3,2% block.Here is the link <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=423929" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=423929</a>

[Niou]

It sucks...I'm using the shield and will lose avoidance, but it was a needed change. A shield with the most protection in the game next to the trak shield, shouldn't come from some low lvl x2 dragon.

[Tames]

<p>Well it took me weeks of camping to get it to drop and to beat others to Sev. So its not an easy thing to get. </p><p>I have turned down other sheilds because I have it, I cant get those sheilds back.</p><p>I would think that only nerfing non attuned sheilds and making new drops Crusader only rather than reducing the mit would have been better.</p>

[Valphine]

They (SoE) realy want to kill us. One items that gives us pallys a + in tanking and they just wipe it out.

[Vain]

<p>The SotGD isn't crusader specific so I'm not sure how it gives pallies a "+ in tanking". </p><p>I do agree with the idea to "grandfather" in the SotGDs equipped prior to the nerf as many tanks with that sheild have turned down what will be superior shields.</p><p>If they'd put some block and +defense on Truth, that would really address the hopes and dreams of many pallies.</p>

[Cyrdemac]

<cite>Vain wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The SotGD isn't crusader specific so I'm not sure how it gives pallies a "+ in tanking". </p><p>I do agree with the idea to "grandfather" in the SotGDs equipped prior to the nerf as many tanks with that sheild have turned down what will be superior shields.</p><p>If they'd put some block and +defense on Truth, that would really address the hopes and dreams of many pallies.</p></blockquote>Well, the shield has at the moment 1728 protection. Normal legendary tend around 1400 and the fabled ones tend around 1500 protection. Paladin tanking andability (hero line, EoF) gives +24% shield protection. So we effectly increasing the base protection af any shield we use. therefore the SotGD was something extremly special, as we have pretty much block due to our AA line and die shield itself and adding the raw +3% block on it, it was the best Shield for Paladins ingame. Actually, you felt the difference in tanking, as your survivabilty got closer towards guardians, once you got this shield.

[Vain]

<p>I wasn't implying that it wasn't a fantabulous shield - of course it is. But a global nerf on it will effect everyone using it - warriors or crusaders. So a pally will lose 3.2% on block, while all others lose 2.2%, because of our blocking mastery. The 1% difference is not trivial I will admit, but it does, in no way, shape or form "wipe us out" as tanks.</p><p>That sort of "Harbinger of Doom" stuff is over the top and ineffective.</p>

[Cyrdemac]

Well, it might not making us obselete, but it makes everything we are trying to achieve - competing with an extremly OP guardian class and equip- even harder. It is already hard enough without elite equip from VP, but it will be even harder after the patch.And its a crusader problem, as I dont think that warriors are that dependant one that one shield as we crusader do.

[Ep]

<cite>Tamesan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well it took me weeks of camping to get it to drop and to beat others to Sev. So its not an easy thing to get. </p><p>I have turned down other sheilds because I have it, I cant get those sheilds back.</p><p>I would think that only nerfing non attuned sheilds and making new drops Crusader only rather than reducing the mit would have been better.</p></blockquote>lol, i highly doubt you would even have equipped those other shields you turned down even with the dragon shield nerf.

[Meirril]

<cite>Vain wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I wasn't implying that it wasn't a fantabulous shield - of course it is. But a global nerf on it will effect everyone using it - warriors or crusaders. So a pally will lose 3.2% on block, while all others lose 2.2%, because of our blocking mastery. The 1% difference is not trivial I will admit, but it does, in no way, shape or form "wipe us out" as tanks.</p><p>That sort of "Harbinger of Doom" stuff is over the top and ineffective.</p></blockquote><p>Strangely, most warriors won't equip a kite shield because their shield abilities require either bucklers or tower shields. Yes, they can use kite shields but their abilities key off of two other shield types.</p><p>Kite shields were origionally the best shields crusaders could equip. Thus it follows that we don't loose any benifit switching from a tower shield to a better kite shield.</p>

[Eifer]

It's best just to accept it was overpowered based on where it drops, accept a nerf and move on...

[Cyrdemac]

<cite>Dorland@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's best just to accept it was overpowered based on where it drops, accept a nerf and move on...</blockquote><p>Sure..but with what? There is absolutly nothing like that shield. After the change it has jus 1 or maybe 2% more block than other shields and I got hit harder on raids. </p><p>Don`t like the fact getting nerfed constantly (or my equip) instead of getting fixed on abilitys or tools for t4 raid survival.</p>

[Tharinor Degaulle]

<p>Riddle me this:  why was it when the Ancient Dreadscale Greaves got nerfed, Guards, Zerkers, whatever that already had them got to keep them.  However, we don't get to keep the Green Dragon Shield that we spent weeks or longer, or lots of plat, obtaining?  It took me weeks of camping this mob, and 6 kills before I could get the shield to drop.  Others have spent over 100 plat for it.</p>

[Valphine]

<cite>Vain wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I wasn't implying that it wasn't a fantabulous shield - of course it is. But a global nerf on it will effect everyone using it - warriors or crusaders. So a pally will lose 3.2% on block, while all others lose 2.2%, because of our blocking mastery. The 1% difference is not trivial I will admit, but it does,<u><b> in no way, shape or form "wipe us out" as tanks.</b></u></p><p>That sort of "Harbinger of Doom" stuff is over the top and ineffective.</p></blockquote>No, but wipe out that awsome protection the green dragon shield had/has. Stuipid as I was I bought it for alot of plats, But didnt realy expecteda nerf, not on a item that been in game for 9 month.

[Vain]

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>Strangely, most warriors won't equip a kite shield because their shield abilities require either bucklers or tower shields. Yes, they can use kite shields but their abilities key off of two other shield types.</p><p>Kite shields were origionally the best shields crusaders could equip. Thus it follows that we don't loose any benifit switching from a tower shield to a better kite shield.</p></blockquote><p>Plenty of guardians equipped the SotGD (pre-mythical, at least). Many will not be equipping it any longer. I think having kites as crusader-only would be fantastic... it allows for our class(es) to be more unique and it allows for some variabilty in itemization (a blue bonus on a kite that might be OP for a warrior, might not be so bad for a crusader and vice versa).</p><p>It is/was terribly over-powered (hence the demand for it) - overpowered enough that people would camp it for weeks or spend a few hundred plat on it. Everything in the game comes with some risk as it can be nerfed, arbitrarily and at any point, despite how much people had to work to get it. </p><p>So the nerf sucks, the previous version does not get grand-fathered in and we are left with a decent shield that can be upgraded.</p>