[Removed for Content] armor sets [Archive] - EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire

Vooz

07-10-2008, 03:17 AM

Ok so i've not been here for to long but for long nuff to notice that there is no really cool armor for diff clases.The best thing i've seen it the Di'Zok emb. plate set and even that looks pretty... eh eh...So i think it would be cool if we got a special armor for each class, badass looking armor, just for looks if the devs don't want to work with stats to...Here is my ideea, 2 examples, everyone is welcomed to post their own ideea:Paladin:<img src="http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/615/paladinyt4.jpg" alt="" width="512" height="512" border="0" />Shadowknight:<img src="http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4500/skfl4.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="512" border="0" />This sets were made in SL by players(simple ppl like us) so i guess the devs coudl do something like this here for us.Atleast something along this lines...

-Arctura-

07-10-2008, 06:36 AM

(( I like the typo in Xeno Dragon Aromr lol (intentional Sp)The armor in the second one looks cool, but i have to ask, [Removed for Content] is on his face, it looks like a headcrab or something jumped on there...The paladin suit looks okay, but the shoulders look a little too poofy and goofy looking...,But generally, I know what you mean. Armor variety and new appearances. Hopefully once they finish refurbishing the characters and skeletons we shall see all sorts of new designs!

Vooz

07-10-2008, 07:03 AM

well yeah, that's why i said something like that, we could loose some of the stuff on those 2 but generaly... they look good...I'm not going to bash what we already have but we really need some cool looking class armor... And i really think that if simple ppl like us could create those 2 armors above so could the devs make something even better...hope this gets some attention

Drift3r

07-10-2008, 10:23 PM

Trim down the shoulder pads by half the size and it would look very nice. The second one looks good too.

Vooz

07-11-2008, 03:44 AM

Cleric?<img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/shop.onrez/item-436728-1196930836" alt="" width="512" height="512" border="0" />

Vooz

07-11-2008, 03:55 AM

<img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/shop.onrez/item-585645-1207845738" alt="" width="500" height="500" border="0" />Paladin Female ? <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Mysticdraco

07-11-2008, 07:50 PM

Ok I like(Edited: I don't like I love!) the Cleric armor idea, but I think that both the Pally and Shadow knight armor are a little ridiculous looking. I think it might just be the size of the shoulder pads on both and the amount of spikes on the Shadow Knight armor, but I think the concepts behind all the sets are nice.

Vooz

07-11-2008, 08:47 PM

<cite>Mysticdraco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok I like(Edited: I don't like I love!) the Cleric armor idea, but I think that both the Pally and Shadow knight armor are a little ridiculous looking. I think it might just be the size of the shoulder pads on both and the amount of spikes on the Shadow Knight armor, but I think the concepts behind all the sets are nice.</blockquote>Well yeah, like i never really expect those huge shoulderpads to stick or the HUGE right leg on the SK but something along those lines would look very nice.. let's face it... we NEED a set of cool class armor... Most of the stuff we have is out of texture and out of date... Something that can define what we are... Like atleast with the zerker you KNOW! it's a zerker... That stuffed no neck armor <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But i do think that a brand new class armor, with good looks, more prims than textures(let's face it... what we now have is textures and not prims... ) Use more bits and pieces and less textures and make them look good and i think we will have a lot of happy campers out there..I will try to find more SL, player made stuff and try to find something for each class(thou i don't promiss i will find something for everyone)...

Boophead

07-11-2008, 11:23 PM

The Paladin and Shadowknight armor sets look great. The cleric ones look a little to similar to the current design which is the same armor style with just designs and color changes. Seriously, how many shoulder pad shapes does eq2 have? 2? EQ2 with awesome armor..... not gonna happen but it sure would be great.edit, the female cleric set looks nice. The male one is the one I think could use some more bang for the buck.

Vooz

07-14-2008, 03:27 AM

Necromancer maybe?<img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/1/5/6/15650f7a366e06f51f6df9a228b20ba6.jpg" alt="" width="1384" height="600" border="0" />

Vooz

07-14-2008, 03:29 AM

Necromancer maybe? <img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/6/c/2/6c2c4baacd34655bdae74950d51114f8.jpg" alt="" width="1000" height="500" border="0" /><img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/1/5/6/15650f7a366e06f51f6df9a228b20ba6.jpg" alt="" width="1365" height="589" border="0" />

Vooz

07-14-2008, 03:35 AM

Ranger?<img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/e/1/5/e159138dd1271f7b0b428babf1a2b130.jpeg" alt="" width="512" height="512" border="0" />

Vooz

07-14-2008, 03:42 AM

Guardian or Zerker<img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/f/7/4/f74f2ff9172521701b4354762480cb91.jpeg" alt="" width="1560" height="640" border="0" />

Vooz

07-14-2008, 03:45 AM

SK in a diff color so u can see more details<img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/2/1/2/212f86fef84f4a4d78ac48926369162b.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="512" border="0" />

Vooz

07-14-2008, 03:49 AM

Something sexy for all plate wearing girls<img src="http://chaospire.com/images/valhilda_box512.jpg" alt="" width="512" height="512" border="0" />

Vooz

07-14-2008, 03:51 AM

Our friendly fury maybe?<img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/b/2/a/b2a84ec4ea36908c4ae8246f476743d5.jpg" alt="" width="2048" height="1024" border="0" />

Vooz

07-14-2008, 03:52 AM

Another Cleric option<img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/c/9/7/c973c80926fa50792207254592b5fc31.jpg" alt="" width="1656" height="621" border="0" />

Rorasis

07-14-2008, 07:40 AM

Putting in armor like this means they would actually have to do something other than retexture and recolor! The horror!

Katsi

07-14-2008, 10:07 AM

While I can see the draw to armor like this, in my opinion it is a little over decorated.And, while I don't mind the 'battle bikini,' I would, one, like to have a little more rear end coverage, and two, like to see equivalent lack of coverage on the males.~ Cerilynn

Vooz

07-14-2008, 10:39 AM

<cite>Cerilynn@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>While I can see the draw to armor like this, in my opinion it is a little over decorated.</blockquote>Some day this game HAS to get atleast close to the stuff other games already have. I'm sure i'll never see SONY make uber cool stuff or over decorated stuff but wont you agree that we do need a bit of cool in this game? We have no toes, we have no boots with the ... city dresses, we have no cool looking armor(just some bulky barrels with bad textures)... If this game is to survive it needs some cool into it. Check out the awsomness of othet MMO's... Again i'm not asking for that exactly, just something along those lines, something that will make me proud of my class, something i can show with pride and something that looks good.But if you can show me 1 piece of armor that is atleast close to what i posted... i will S T F U <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />

Chefren

07-14-2008, 12:09 PM

This is an obvious assassin: <a href="http://vyrl.deviantart.com/art/Aeila-Darksorrow-26323152" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://vyrl.deviantart.com/art/Aeil...sorrow-26323152</a>

Vooz

07-14-2008, 05:31 PM

<cite>Einina@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is an obvious assassin: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://vyrl.deviantart.com/art/Aeila-Darksorrow-26323152" target="_blank">http://vyrl.deviantart.com/art/Aeil...sorrow-26323152</a></blockquote>i could go for that

Kaalenarc

07-14-2008, 06:41 PM

<cite>Cerilynn@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>While I can see the draw to armor like this, in my opinion it is a little over decorated.And, while I don't mind the 'battle bikini,' I would, one, like to have a little more rear end coverage, and two, like to see equivalent lack of coverage on the males.~ Cerilynn</blockquote>For the love of the gods, please no male ogre thongs! /chuckles

Vooz

07-14-2008, 06:53 PM

<cite>Kaalenarc@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>For the love of the gods, please no male ogre (or troll)thongs! /chuckles</blockquote>If something like that will happen ill go back to playing mario!

Boophead

07-14-2008, 11:17 PM

Awesome posts Deval. I am in total agreement with the "cool" statement. I can't believe some of these people are happy with the very very very limited amount of unique armor items in EQ2. To me it is its only real big drawback and why I go back to WoW.

Argul

07-15-2008, 12:36 AM

I love the ranger one, thats awesome. The fury one is great too, with the 'assassin' hood, but the model farthest to the left with the huge skirt thing.. no way. lol

Xada

07-15-2008, 12:53 AM

I could go for some of these male designs...On my female characters <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Vooz

07-15-2008, 03:00 AM

Thanks for the replies, if anyone has anything to add don't be shy, the more we are the bigger the chance of geting something is.P.S do excuse my bad grammar, it's 8 am, i'm out of coffee and i am bored as a working girl in a gai bar <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />Something for the plate wearing<img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/a/8/e/a8eb39b2eb8ef6c14e674c4af2e1b9eb.jpeg" alt="" width="512" height="512" border="0" />

Vooz

07-15-2008, 03:39 AM

How about some love for our ninjas...<img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/7/d/d/7ddba525ec7070a2845357c89c0b3b85.jpeg" alt="" width="800" height="500" border="0" />

Eddes

07-15-2008, 10:14 AM

<cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Something sexy for all plate wearing girls<img src="http://chaospire.com/images/valhilda_box512.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="512" height="512" /></blockquote>Sure leaves a lot of room to get battle scars! Lol!

Jeenyous

07-15-2008, 04:47 PM

Some of the visible gear currently in game appeals to me but the vast majority do not. I was hoping that with the appearance slots that a graphics overhaul would soon follow. With many items, I seriously cannot see how they were approved or how someone willingly or purposefully invested their time into making them.Some expansion ideas for visible gear could be player based racial items, deity items, regional items, etc., not just class based items.While this thread primarily addresses armor, I use the term "visible" to also gain some representation for cloaks, weapons, shields and other hand held items as well.An engine overhaul along with a huge promotional EQII re-release push could place EQII squarely among the top tier choices of today's mmorpgs. It is just that good of a game to continue to compete in a real way as is. I can't imagine what an overhaul and re-release could do for it.

Vooz

07-15-2008, 06:30 PM

Imagine EQ2 with graphics like Lineage 2... Who the heck would play anything else?Back to biz... we need some change! not just a few blue cloaks from the tempest quest...Weapons could use a bit of umf to... Shields as well... god i had better looking stuff in eq1... Come on SOE... put some brain into it and give this game the look it deserves.U made the best MMO ever in terms of game play, lore, etc. but u forgot to make it look good...

Mysticdraco

07-15-2008, 09:00 PM

Deval said:How about some love for our ninjas...<img src="http://static.slexchange.com/modules/Marketplace/Images/7/d/d/7ddba525ec7070a2845357c89c0b3b85.jpeg" border="0" alt="" width="800" height="500" />Oh how I wish that were a Berzerker armor option!

Qandor

07-15-2008, 09:52 PM

<cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Imagine EQ2 with graphics like Lineage 2... Who the heck would play anything else?Back to biz... we need some change! not just a few blue cloaks from the tempest quest...Weapons could use a bit of umf to... Shields as well... god i had better looking stuff in eq1... Come on SOE... put some brain into it and give this game the look it deserves.U made the best MMO ever in terms of game play, lore, etc. but u forgot to make it look good...</blockquote>I do not understand it either. They seem to understand what cool gear should look like in their ads for their games but cannot seem to draw the same conclusion for in game gear. Why they opted for the nun look for EQ2 will forever be a mystery. People have been running around in that female formal ensemble for 4 years now. Hello, is there something special about barefoot? I cannot recall a single game that lived on the same armor models for 4 YEARS. It is pathetic.

Vooz

07-16-2008, 02:56 AM

Well let me brake it up for all:In order to actually make cool stuff they need to WORK, like u know, really work! Create stuff, not just change the color... And that means the dev team would prolly want a bigger pay check thus SOE would have to pay up and that would mean that the SOE big shots would suffer a pocket rupture and so they would have to stop spending money on cool cars and other crap they have <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />It is lame and pathetic that SOE team can't make a decent looking armor but all the armors i posted were created by simple people like us in a virtual world and they were created using standard prims (cubes, spheres, etc). Aren't u ashamed SOE? that some simple ppl like us managed to create something that cool without having any sort of programing/design skills and u can't make something close to that when u have a WHOLE team dedicated to that?God, i'd stick my head in the sand and never come out if i were u... Shame on you! Go sit in the corner!

Armawk

07-16-2008, 04:06 AM

Honestly? I dont really see anything I think looks better than or even as good as the stuff in game there. Its all very 'dramatic' in intention but generic, derivative, all over the place stylistically and also not designed taking into account how games work. If I was operating as art lead for an MMO project stuff like that wouldnt even get them an interview. There is a lot of fine material out there, there are better armour designs than everquest, but this stuff is high school sketchbook 'wow I drew a guy with spikes' blah. I was going to keep quiet on the whole 'if you cant say anything nice dont say anything' basis, but seeing as the tone of the posting has got extremelý pushy and quite abusive towards the game team I think its open season. Sorry.

Vooz

07-16-2008, 06:13 AM

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honestly? I dont really see anything I think looks better than or even as good as the stuff in game there. Its all very 'dramatic' in intention but generic, derivative, all over the place stylistically and also not designed taking into account how games work. If I was operating as art lead for an MMO project stuff like that wouldnt even get them an interview. There is a lot of fine material out there, there are better armour designs than everquest, but this stuff is high school sketchbook 'wow I drew a guy with spikes' blah.I was going to keep quiet on the whole 'if you cant say anything nice dont say anything' basis, but seeing as the tone of the posting has got extremelý pushy and quite abusive towards the game team I think its open season.Sorry.</blockquote>I will, again, say it: Something along this lines, not THAT exactly.And hey, if u know something better that already is in this game PLS PLS link it to us causse all i see is a bunch of water pipes with bad pixelated textures...I looked up screenshoots from years ago and it's the same stuff as 2 years ago or 3 years ago! The armor+weapons+shields didn't get attention since they put the servers online.

Armawk

07-16-2008, 07:23 AM

<cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>I will, again, say it: Something along this lines, not THAT exactly.And hey, if u know something better that already is in this game PLS PLS link it to us causse all i see is a bunch of water pipes with bad pixelated textures...I looked up screenshoots from years ago and it's the same stuff as 2 years ago or 3 years ago! The armor+weapons+shields didn't get attention since they put the servers online.</blockquote>Its not just the execution its the concepts I find lacking. That kind of stuff would destroy the look of this game or any serious game."water pipes with bad pixelated textures' is nonsense, the textures in the game are frequently well done, are of the highest resolution and have many complex shaders, and the models are highly competently designed and produced (with the odd exception)What is lacking is variety in underlying meshes.. we ALL agree about that. Weapons have been more than addressed, if you actually LOOK at all the new weapons recently (I suppose you are aware of the complete rebuild of crafted weapons including the introduction of countless new models? and of the dozens of new weapon models in recent months?) or at some (regrettably not enough) of the recent shield models, you would get a big surprise. But there arent enough armour meshes, I agree, I want more, and I want them to be well done and interesting, but I dont want the game to become juvenile, derivative and cheap looking.

Vooz

07-16-2008, 08:11 AM

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>I will, again, say it: Something along this lines, not THAT exactly.And hey, if u know something better that already is in this game PLS PLS link it to us causse all i see is a bunch of water pipes with bad pixelated textures...I looked up screenshoots from years ago and it's the same stuff as 2 years ago or 3 years ago! The armor+weapons+shields didn't get attention since they put the servers online.</blockquote>Its not just the execution its the concepts I find lacking. That kind of stuff would destroy the look of this game or any serious game."water pipes with bad pixelated textures' is nonsense, the textures in the game are frequently well done, are of the highest resolution and have many complex shaders, and the models are highly competently designed and produced (with the odd exception)What is lacking is variety in underlying meshes.. we ALL agree about that. Weapons have been more than addressed, if you actually LOOK at all the new weapons recently (I suppose you are aware of the complete rebuild of crafted weapons including the introduction of countless new models? and of the dozens of new weapon models in recent months?) or at some (regrettably not enough) of the recent shield models, you would get a big surprise. But there arent enough armour meshes, I agree, I want more, and I want them to be well done and interesting, but I dont want the game to become juvenile, derivative and cheap looking.</blockquote>I will say 1 last thing about what you wrote about, it's actually more of a request:Go in-game, find something that looks good(or even close to something like i posted, again along those lines not as "fluffy" as those) (5 armors), link them in chat, copy the linked text and paste it here. Untill then you are just bashing a good ideea.

Armawk

07-16-2008, 09:07 AM

<cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite> <blockquote>I will say 1 last thing about what you wrote about, it's actually more of a request:Go in-game, find something that looks good(or even close to something like i posted, again along those lines not as "fluffy" as those) (5 armors), link them in chat, copy the linked text and paste it here. Untill then you are just bashing a good ideea.</blockquote>No, I am expressing my opinion, which is that the idea is a bad one. Everyone who posts here has an active account and can see the armour in the game anytime. Some of the better chain and leather sets, gis (some of which are awesome), some (a few unfortunately, cloth armour is the weakest area) of the non robe cloth stuff are worth a look, hell the blackened iron vanguard plate set is a better model/texture combo than all the plate sets posted here.

Vooz

07-16-2008, 09:13 AM

Sure shaunfletcher , they are, we are just a bunch of blind idiots <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Armawk

07-16-2008, 09:36 AM

<cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sure shaunfletcher , they are, we are just a bunch of blind idiots <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>No I just disagree with your taste.

Vooz

07-16-2008, 09:58 AM

Is this a Fantasy game? yes! because what we do there never hapened and will never happen(like for real <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ), thus it is all fantasy. So why in a fantasy world do we have so crappy armors? weapons? shields?Do you want to tell me shaun that you actually like the armor in this game? and u don't want cooler better looking stuff? Like more pieces(prims) and better textures?

Trynt

07-16-2008, 10:26 AM

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sure shaunfletcher , they are, we are just a bunch of blind idiots <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>No I just disagree with your taste.</blockquote>/cosignThe concepts of "cool" and "crappy" are completely subjective, and vary per person.Like you, shaun, I do look forward to a much greater variety of armor selection and (equally important) an optimization of the graphics system that allows for more people to play on higher settings to enjoy them.

Boophead

07-16-2008, 04:50 PM

Deval is bringing up very valid points. If you don't like his armor ideas that is one thing. But to sit here and blindly say that EQ2 doesnt need a lot of work on new armor is just being well, blind. Like he said, if you or anyone else actually knows of any armor any at all that is something different, something cool, something not rehashed over and over again then link it. Please!!! I wanna see it. This issue is being brought up in a productive manner and you are turning it into something ugly Shaun. Please link and show some of your ideas. Otherwise, do what your instincts said to do and not post.

Vooz

07-16-2008, 06:44 PM

Armawk

07-16-2008, 07:41 PM

<cite>Boophead wrote:</cite><blockquote> Deval is bringing up very valid points. If you don't like his armor ideas that is one thing. But to sit here and blindly say that EQ2 doesnt need a lot of work on new armor is just being well, blind. Like he said, if you or anyone else actually knows of any armor any at all that is something different, something cool, something not rehashed over and over again then link it. Please!!! I wanna see it. This issue is being brought up in a productive manner and you are turning it into something ugly Shaun. Please link and show some of your ideas. Otherwise, do what your instincts said to do and not post.</blockquote>I didnt post as long as the issue was being 'brought up in a productive manner', just as I wouldnt tell a 7 year old his drawings were rubbish, it would be mean and like kicking puppies. however devals post containing the below was unproductive, rude, arrogant and nasty.<cite>deval wrote</cite> <blockquote>Well let me brake it up for all:In order to actually make cool stuff they need to WORK, like u know, really work! Create stuff, not just change the color... And that means the dev team would prolly want a bigger pay check thus SOE would have to pay up and that would mean that the SOE big shots would suffer a pocket rupture and so they would have to stop spending money on cool cars and other crap they haveIt is lame and pathetic that SOE team can't make a decent looking armor but all the armors i posted were created by simple people like us in a virtual world and they were created using standard prims (cubes, spheres, etc).Aren't u ashamed SOE? that some simple ppl like us managed to create something that cool without having any sort of programing/design skills and u can't make something close to that when u have a WHOLE team dedicated to that?God, i'd stick my head in the sand and never come out if i were u...Shame on you! Go sit in the corner!</blockquote>Also, read my posts in full before replying if you dont want to look like a twit when you say 'But to sit here and blindly say that EQ2 doesnt need a lot of work on new armor is just being well, blind.', given that I explicitly said new armour models are needed. New armour models are needed. Most of the existing ones are good, but they are not varied enough and some new sets of underlying meshes are badly needed.Happy?Shaun

Nimeesha

07-16-2008, 09:54 PM

Although "cool" looking armor is nice and all. If I wanted that, I would be playing WoW. Then I could stand around showing off my uberness. I prefer gameplay over looks. IMO EQ2 has many more awesome game features that far outweigh the look of the armor. I guess that shows my age...looking "cool" lost its importance a long time ago.

Katsi

07-16-2008, 10:30 PM

<cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>And hey, if u know something better that already is in this game PLS PLS link it to us causse all i see is a bunch of water pipes with bad pixelated textures...</blockquote>First, I shall respond exactly to this...There ARE some outfits that I do happen to like currently in game.My ranger:<img src="http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/cerilynn/EQ2_000316-2.jpg" alt="" border="0" />A collection of characters who's outfits I happen to like, especially my shiny pally, although she usually goes bare headed, and the fay who is waiting on the brighter pink dress - to be more like a flower:<img src="http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2391/outfitsua3.jpg" alt="" border="0" />Some outfits that ARE in game that I like, but we do not have access to:Male:<img src="http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/386/platemti6.jpg" alt="" border="0" />and <img src="http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9729/clothmbl5.jpg" alt="" border="0" />and female:<img src="http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/848/clothfzw3.jpg" alt="" border="0" />I would include the Maj'Dul male and female outfits, but I do not yet have photos of them.(continued...)

Katsi

07-16-2008, 10:37 PM

However...I do also admit that there are some things lacking in the in game armor.But spikes are NOT my thing.Instead I prefer:<a href="http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_0.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Poofy scouts</a><a href="http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_4.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Swishy ... palladins?</a><a href="http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_5.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Strong beserkers</a><a href="http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_7.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Furry druids</a>and <a href="http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_6.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Scary shadowknights</a>Does that satisfy you that we have different opinions as to what is 'cool'?(And my apologies to the lack of men's outfits, but this was a quick search, and that is what I found.)~ Cerilynn

WeatherMan

07-16-2008, 10:54 PM

Katsi

07-17-2008, 12:51 AM

<cite>WeatherMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Oh HECK yes!!SOE - you must hire Clyde Caldwell to design the armors for Everquest 2! Give up a few thousand from the chairman's Xmas bonus and bring him in! You will not regret it!No - I am not joking. His armors rock the house. Nothing I could post would fully reflect the admiration I have for Caldwell's work. He is one of the fantasy RPG art Masters, in the same vein that Tolkien is one of the Masters of the fantasy genre.As a famous man once said, "I have a dream..."</blockquote>Um actually....They <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.clydecaldwell.com/large_images/everquest.html" target="_blank">did hire him</a>.~ Cerilynnedit: just not for designing the EQ2 in game armor. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Nayawk

07-17-2008, 01:04 AM

I agree that more armour/clothing is needed but I really would start to re-think EQ2 if those new armour types were anything like those at the start of this thread. For me EQ2, while being high magic, has always felt realistic and earthy. Yes its fantasy and yes there is magic, but the armour thankfully has never looked like it would kill you and those nearest to you if you tried to sit down or move through a crowd. EQ2 armour has always had a feel of practicality to it that I would hate to see lost, and yes a million times yes we need more models and skins, but I would hope those would stay true to the thematic sytle that already exists.

sevens777

07-17-2008, 02:48 AM

<cite>Nimeesha@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Although "cool" looking armor is nice and all. If I wanted that, I would be playing WoW. Then I could stand around showing off my uberness. I prefer gameplay over looks. IMO EQ2 has many more awesome game features that far outweigh the look of the armor. I guess that shows my age...looking "cool" lost its importance a long time ago.</blockquote> Why is that you have to sacrifice gameplay if the armor was to have variety? The gameplay would be exactly the same if they added lots more new armor looks instead of the same 3 or 4 styles with different colors. Having really neat looking class identifying armor doesn't mean you have to stand around and show off. It just means more variety. EQ2 is the better game when compared to WoW but that doesn't mean we can't want new things for eq2. I am 36 years old and I like cool looking armor with lots of variety as I level up and as I adventure with a max leveled character. Does that make me immature?

sevens777

07-17-2008, 02:50 AM

Cerilynn, Thanks for posting pics of armor you like. You are the only one who would do so. And that must be very nice that you are satisfied with EQ2's armor selection. I wish I felt the same because then I wouldn't ever need to leave EQ2 for a long long time. Anyways, thanks again for stepping up and expressing your opinion in a dignified way.

Vooz

07-17-2008, 03:07 AM

<cite>Cerilynn@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>However...I do also admit that there are some things lacking in the in game armor.But spikes are NOT my thing.Instead I prefer:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_0.html" target="_blank">Poofy scouts</a><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_4.html" target="_blank">Swishy ... palladins?</a><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_5.html" target="_blank">Strong beserkers</a><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_7.html" target="_blank">Furry druids</a>and <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_6.html" target="_blank">Scary shadowknights</a>Does that satisfy you that we have different opinions as to what is 'cool'?(And my apologies to the lack of men's outfits, but this was a quick search, and that is what I found.)~ Cerilynn</blockquote>No, it does not satisfy me since what u posted i find cool. mine, yours, whatever, just make new sets of stuff that looks good.Katsi... as for the armor you posted... i seen better stuff in eq1... sorry... Nobody unserstands.. they are just textured buckets. They need to be made from more PIECES and BITS, instead of making the bolts and nuts from textures hou about actually making BOLTS to keep your armor in 1 piece?Instead of texturing the chest piece to look as it is bashed how about using some nurbs and give it some depth, instead of making all the decorations on the armor from textures how about u make them from actual pieces so that when u look at it from the side u can see the details and not just a flat textured bucket?Ok, no spikes, FINE, no uber shoulders, FINE, but i can't just shut up and say all is ok when from the side your armor looks like a tube/bucket/pipe with nice drawings on it. U can set your graphics to show shiny armor and whatnot but it is still a shiny textured bucket!That's what i'm yelling about! MORE PRIMS( BITS AND PIECES) IN THE ARMORS! LESS TEXTUTED BUCKETS.More armor types, more models, why at lvl 30/50/70/80/etc we must all look the same? Why can't we have more models so that my SK and your SK can look different? Do you buy them at Walmart? Or who makes them? Who's in charge of that department? He needs to be fired and a new, fresh, creative guy hired.How about adding a few darn dresses like the city clothes? HOW ABOUT WEARING BOOTS OR SOMETHING ON MY FEET WHEN I AM IN THE CITY CLOTHES? I AM SICK OF THE UGLY NO TOES FEET! THEY SUCK AND STINK! UGLY, BULKY, DISGUSTING FEET! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOk, i'm done.

Trynt

07-17-2008, 04:05 AM

<cite><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite> </cite><blockquote>But there arent enough armour meshes, I agree, I want more, and I want them to be well done and interesting<cite></cite></blockquote><cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do you want to tell me shaun that you actually like the armor in this game? and u don't want cooler better looking stuff?</blockquote><cite><hr /></cite><cite> <cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite></cite> <blockquote>No I just disagree with your taste.</blockquote><cite><cite></cite></cite><cite><cite><cite><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite> </cite></cite></cite><blockquote>But there arent enough armour meshes, I agree, I want more, and I want them to be well done and interesting</blockquote><cite> </cite><cite>Boophead wrote:</cite> <blockquote> If you don't like his armor ideas that is one thing. But to sit here and blindly say that EQ2 doesnt need a lot of work on new armor is just being well, blind.</blockquote><cite><hr /> <cite><a href="mailto:Deval@Crushbone" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Deval@Crushbone</a> wrote:</cite></cite><blockquote>Aren't u ashamed SOE? that some simple ppl like us managed to create something that cool without having any sort of programing/design skills and u can't make something close to that when u have a WHOLE team dedicated to that? God, i'd stick my head in the sand and never come out if i were u... Shame on you! Go sit in the corner!</blockquote><cite>Boophead wrote:</cite> <blockquote>This issue is being brought up in a productive manner and you are turning it into something ugly Shaun. </blockquote><hr /><cite><cite>Cerilynn@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></cite><blockquote>I do also admit that there are some things lacking in the in game armor.</blockquote><cite>sevens777 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Cerilynn,...And that must be very nice that you are satisfied with EQ2's armor selection.</blockquote><hr /><a href="http://www.rif.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.rif.org/</a>

Vooz

07-17-2008, 06:18 AM

<cite>Trynt wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite> </cite><blockquote>But there arent enough armour meshes, I agree, I want more, and I want them to be well done and interesting<cite></cite></blockquote><cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do you want to tell me shaun that you actually like the armor in this game? and u don't want cooler better looking stuff?</blockquote><cite><hr /></cite><cite> <cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite></cite> <blockquote>No I just disagree with your taste.</blockquote><cite><cite></cite></cite><cite><cite><cite><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite> </cite></cite></cite><blockquote>But there arent enough armour meshes, I agree, I want more, and I want them to be well done and interesting</blockquote><cite> </cite><cite>Boophead wrote:</cite> <blockquote> If you don't like his armor ideas that is one thing. But to sit here and blindly say that EQ2 doesnt need a lot of work on new armor is just being well, blind.</blockquote><cite><hr /> <cite><a rel="nofollow" href="mailto<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />eval@Crushbone" target="_blank">Deval@Crushbone</a> wrote:</cite></cite><blockquote>Aren't u ashamed SOE? that some simple ppl like us managed to create something that cool without having any sort of programing/design skills and u can't make something close to that when u have a WHOLE team dedicated to that? God, i'd stick my head in the sand and never come out if i were u... Shame on you! Go sit in the corner!</blockquote><cite>Boophead wrote:</cite> <blockquote>This issue is being brought up in a productive manner and you are turning it into something ugly Shaun. </blockquote><hr /><cite><cite>Cerilynn@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></cite><blockquote>I do also admit that there are some things lacking in the in game armor.</blockquote><cite>sevens777 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Cerilynn,...And that must be very nice that you are satisfied with EQ2's armor selection.</blockquote><hr /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.rif.org/" target="_blank">http://www.rif.org/</a></blockquote>LIKE... DUDE... Thank you! I've been laughing for the last 10 mins and i still find it hard to stop!Thanks!

WeatherMan

07-17-2008, 10:21 AM

I think what we have here is a failure to agree on the fact that...everyone seems to agree. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Over the past couple of years, I have rarely passed up a chance to gripe about SOE's lackluster attitude on introducing new armors, clothing, robes, and RP items into the game (just take a look at some of the posts I've made if you don't believe me). And the words 'Blissful Awareness' have never ceased to send me off on a diatribe.Deval: I will be equally honest in my assessment of the example armors you posted. They are good, and you are an unquestionably talented artist in that respect ( I say 'in that respect' because it is all I have seen of your work, and am thus not qualified to comment otherwise). But I have to agree with Katsi on appearances - not because I don't like spikes or whatnot (and not because I live with her, and have to sleep sometime), but the fact that even the 'abbeviated' examples of what she posted just seems...I dunno...more 'Norrathian' in flavor, at least to my mind (and Caldwell did do some concept and RPG art for Everquest, after all). That, and the 'fleshier' armors she posted make more sense in such cases.And yes, I am, and have been for many, many years, a huge fan of Caldwell, Parkinson, Elmore, and the other Masters. SOE has continually been trumpeting the tired and worn 'realism' horn (which is why we get nothing but the same old retextured stuff again and again). But even post-Shattering Norrath has a distinctive 'feel' to it. Your work, intentionally or not, has a harder edge to it, that would not be out of place in a Warhammer-style mileu.SOE - you must hire Caldwell, and hire him now. You must unshackle your art teams. You must make good on your promises of a skeletal revamp, and you must do something you have not done since...oh, launch. Give us some actually brand-new arrays of armor for each and every situation.

Katsi

07-17-2008, 10:29 AM

Trynt -Thank you for posting that. However I doubt that the people who aren't reading what others are saying in the first place won't read the real message behind what you are saying.Daval -In response to your comment - "They need to be made from more PIECES and BITS, instead of making the bolts and nuts from textures hou about actually making BOLTS to keep your armor in 1 piece?"Are you aware the the more objects they have to produce, the more rendering that has to be done in game to show the piece? This means slower processing for our systems, which means more lag, especially in larger groups such as raids or gathering places as QH. Any additonal 'objects' such as bolts need to actually be a part of the original piece so as to limit the exessive number of rendered objects. Also, are you aware of how many - buckles - (armor wasn't actually held together with bolts) were involved in one suit of armor? On average, there were at least twice as many buckles as there were pices of armor. Therefore by making each item of the armor a separate piece, such as the buckles, you are tripling the number of items each person's computer has to render in order to view a person. Start throwing in individual plates of the plate armor, individual scales of scale armor, and the rendering process will make game play impossible.The armor in ALL the games are generally made with three things in mind - - The style of the game- The ease of producing more- The ease of individual computers rendering itTake a look at the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HokbrASX-uo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alpha female palladin video</a> that pops up every once in a while. That is a beautiful set that fit with the game and supposedly was easy to make more. BUT it was not released into the actual game because it was believed that multiple outfits of this kind would NOT be easy for individual computers to render.While I do admit that having more (not just recolored) armor styles would be sweet, loosing the ability to move through the game due to my computer's inability to render multiple people in said armor would make me far more furious than the different armor styles would make me happy.~ CerilynnEdit:On a lighter note - I have seen, in the real world, places where the idea of how EQ2 does their armor would fit in beautifully... Have you ever been to a rodeo? They all wear the same shirt and jeans, just recolored. Now, if you were to SAY that to the people there you'd get one of two responses - It's traditional! or No they aren't - see, I've got this difference here from that difference on that guy's... *grins*

ZexisStryfe

07-17-2008, 11:12 AM

<cite>Cerilynn@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>And hey, if u know something better that already is in this game PLS PLS link it to us causse all i see is a bunch of water pipes with bad pixelated textures...</blockquote>Some outfits that ARE in game that I like, but we do not have access to:Male:<img src="http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/386/platemti6.jpg" border="0" alt="" />and <img src="http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9729/clothmbl5.jpg" border="0" alt="" />and female:<img src="http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/848/clothfzw3.jpg" border="0" alt="" />I would include the Maj'Dul male and female outfits, but I do not yet have photos of them.(continued...)</blockquote>Just for clarification, these clothing options are not currently in game. They are part of the character models (in these case the Tunarians) and cannot be separated from them, much like the lamia, vampire, mistmoore, orc, etc. clothing.

Moonbaby

07-17-2008, 12:15 PM

I would go for ANYTHING that breaks the single robe mold or the three armor molds. Every time I get new armor, it's just a spraypainted version of the armor I was just wearing. Pleeeease, just make a couple more molds for armor and robes! I love the class-specific armor; great idea!

Vooz

07-17-2008, 01:00 PM

As the above poster posted by posting a post: Just something that isn't the thing i just dumped but with a color change.Just make SOMETHING!Not to mention that there are now sculpted primitives(nurbs) that u can use in making anything u wish so that would cut the number of bits u must use by a LOT and still make something with a cool look...

mrsma

07-17-2008, 01:40 PM

PLEASE - continue with posting NEW designs as they are VERY good and i actually got EXCITED about the thought of NEW "Designer" in-game gear <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Carry on the good work - they will look at this post one day and hopefully get the same - "hmmm I like that maybe we could" sort of feeling :o)ooooooooo - I have had a new brain wave !!! GUILD should be able to design their OWN "Appearence" set :o) how cool would that be !!!<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Vooz

07-17-2008, 02:21 PM

Keep up the ideeas, someday they will hear us!

Xanrn

07-17-2008, 02:46 PM

Does this game need more variety in its armour, yes.Does this game need to look like some pos Eastern mmorpg with no taste, HELL NO.I hate to break it to you, but Lineage 2 looks like a pile of deranged crap.You cannot throw away the Art Direction of years of Everquest.The First picture in this thread is pure rubbish, with the Helm being the only bit that looks good.The Second Picture is an abomination and has no place is Everquest 2.The Third Picture is just plain rubbish, but might look alright rendered by the eq2 engine.The Fourth Picture is exactly what I don't want to see. That Armour has like every place you would stab someone to kill them, exposed. Thats all right for non-Tanks, but plate Tanks should look like Tanks.The Fifth Picture is just plain stupid lookin.The Sixth Picture is hard to make out, but plastering skulls all over stuff could be doable, especially when the EQ1 Ogre BP was a big skull.The Seventh Picture is atlast something to work with. All it needs is to reduce the ridiculus size of the bracers and boots.The Eight Picture is the same as the Fifth.The Nine Picture is the abomination in a different colour.The Tenth Picture is something from some Fantasy Bondage and bloody hideous.The Eleventh Picture is a perfect example of staying true to EQ2 art direction.The Twelve Picture the shield looks good everything else is nasty.The Thirteenth Picture is nice.The Fourteenth Picture is another good one.The Fifthteenth Picture is just Samurai armour and game could do with that.<img src="http://armstreet.com/image/40/big_img_20071012145056.jpg" alt="" border="0" /><img src="http://armstreet.com/image/40/big_img_20071012145056.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

Vooz

07-17-2008, 03:01 PM

Fine Xanrn, mine are rubbish, post some better, make some better, just somehow convince these ppl to DO SOMETHING instead of recoloring items

Boophead

07-17-2008, 06:43 PM

Trynt, Nice job. You should work for the Star or something. What you did was take snippets of conversation jumbled them up and made it appear to be something its not. You added nothing to the conversation. Your point is fail.

Boophead

07-17-2008, 06:44 PM

<cite>Xanrn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Does this game need more variety in its armour, yes.Does this game need to look like some pos Eastern mmorpg with no taste, HELL NO.I hate to break it to you, but Lineage 2 looks like a pile of deranged crap.You cannot throw away the Art Direction of years of Everquest.The First picture in this thread is pure rubbish, with the Helm being the only bit that looks good.The Second Picture is an abomination and has no place is Everquest 2.The Third Picture is just plain rubbish, but might look alright rendered by the eq2 engine.The Fourth Picture is exactly what I don't want to see. That Armour has like every place you would stab someone to kill them, exposed. Thats all right for non-Tanks, but plate Tanks should look like Tanks.The Fifth Picture is just plain stupid lookin.The Sixth Picture is hard to make out, but plastering skulls all over stuff could be doable, especially when the EQ1 Ogre BP was a big skull.The Seventh Picture is atlast something to work with. All it needs is to reduce the ridiculus size of the bracers and boots.The Eight Picture is the same as the Fifth.The Nine Picture is the abomination in a different colour.The Tenth Picture is something from some Fantasy Bondage and bloody hideous.The Eleventh Picture is a perfect example of staying true to EQ2 art direction.The Twelve Picture the shield looks good everything else is nasty.The Thirteenth Picture is nice.The Fourteenth Picture is another good one.The Fifthteenth Picture is just Samurai armour and game could do with that.<img src="http://armstreet.com/image/40/big_img_20071012145056.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><img src="http://armstreet.com/image/40/big_img_20071012145056.jpg" border="0" alt="" />Your post is disturbing. You are doing nothing about anything. Just a bunch of whining. You play a Ratonga or something?</blockquote>

Qandor

07-17-2008, 09:16 PM

<cite>Xanrn wrote:</cite><blockquote>.You cannot throw away the Art Direction of years of Everquest.</blockquote>Art direction of years of EQ2? There has been no art direction since launch. What they launched with we still have just retextured. I also totaly disagree with you on L2. NCsoft has the best artistic grip in the industry in my opinion. They have displayed a huge variety of armor graphics across all their games. L2 in particular, although a pain to play, was one of the most visually appealing games I have ever seen.

Katsi

07-17-2008, 09:30 PM

This thread touches on a subject that is very sensitive to many of us. This shows quite visibly by how agressively many are responding to any posts that are, even slightly, in disagreement with the original post.At this time, I would like to remind everyone to take a small breather and remember that we are all entitled to our own opinions, and those opinions can vary from absolute agreement to absolute disagreement and everything in between.Please DO NOT attack people for liking a different style of art from what you like.Please DO fully read posts that you are responding to, so that you get the full message and note who is posting it so you can respond to the correct person.I was going to reply to a number of posts that seemed to be attacking people for various reasons. Instead I chose to write this generic one to everyone.I am not a mod, (obviously), but I strongly suspect that if the verbal agression in this thread continues, one will be showing up soon.The IDEA presented in this thread, that there needs to be a greater variation in the armor styles available to the players, is a valid issue. Please don't let it get lost in the background just because you dislike the fact that someone happens to dislike what you like.~ CerilynnEdit:If attacking people for not having the same opinion as you do is your actual goal, then I'd suggest you go restart the thread at EQ2Flames.

Nayawk

07-17-2008, 09:34 PM

<cite>Qandor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xanrn wrote:</cite><blockquote>.You cannot throw away the Art Direction of years of Everquest.</blockquote>Art direction of years of EQ2? There has been no art direction since launch. What they launched with we still have just retextured. I also totaly disagree with you on L2. NCsoft has the best artistic grip in the industry in my opinion. They have displayed a huge variety of armor graphics across all their games. L2 in particular, although a pain to play, was one of the most visually appealing games I have ever seen. </blockquote>Reguardless of whether you think they have continued to develope since launch there is still a very dinstinctive thematic art style. I think the biggest problem here is that taste is so subjective. For me L2 is a nasty mish mash of styles with no consistent theme.<a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/430225394_f1d3a4402e_o.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/...1d3a4402e_o.jpg</a>Looking at this grab those characters just don't look like they belong in the same game space. Its like making a game where one character is walking around in Victorian bustle tea dress and the guy next to her is dressed like a 1990's raver. Its jarring. Again, need new armour, but would hate to have whatever new stuff we do get just not matching whats already here.

Froed20

07-17-2008, 10:49 PM

I like some of your ideas, you got some nice stuff here. I have to say this though, and some people might not agree, but the art team has shown that they are well skilled. Look at what some of the monsters and npcs are wearing, take a look at the character models that aren't player models, the stuff they make is actually very good, much like what you made. The problem is, it has to fit every single race regardless of size, sex, and skeletal structure. Yeah, that thong plate armor would like nice on a female high elf. But what about a troll? Or an ogre? Not only that, but to create one piece they have to resize it to fit each race and gender several times per piece. The reason we have such a small amount of options isn't because of the art teams lack of ideas, not by a long shot. It's because the system they are working with is ridiculously tedious.One thing I thing they should look into is making race or gender specific armor that is for appearances only. Maybe a couple of pieces or outfits each update if time permits. Sure, it's hard to design something that would fit all classes of every race and gender. But if you make something that fits a specific gender, that cuts out half the work. Make it fit races of similar skeletal structures and that's even less to deal with. Just a thought.

therodge

07-18-2008, 12:39 AM

<a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Clint_Gilcrush.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Clint_Gilcrush.jpg</a>that is what i want period

Vooz

07-18-2008, 03:15 AM

<cite>Fayle@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I like some of your ideas, you got some nice stuff here. I have to say this though, and some people might not agree, but the art team has shown that they are well skilled. Look at what some of the monsters and npcs are wearing, take a look at the character models that aren't player models, the stuff they make is actually very good, much like what you made. The problem is, it has to fit every single race regardless of size, sex, and skeletal structure. Yeah, that thong plate armor would like nice on a female high elf. But what about a troll? Or an ogre? Not only that, but to create one piece they have to resize it to fit each race and gender several times per piece. The reason we have such a small amount of options isn't because of the art teams lack of ideas, not by a long shot. It's because the system they are working with is ridiculously tedious.One thing I thing they should look into is making race or gender specific armor that is for appearances only. Maybe a couple of pieces or outfits each update if time permits. Sure, it's hard to design something that would fit all classes of every race and gender. But if you make something that fits a specific gender, that cuts out half the work. Make it fit races of similar skeletal structures and that's even less to deal with. Just a thought.</blockquote>If the sys sux then change the sys, if the art team sux change the art team, the ideea is that if someone would put some brain it would work. Someone sais that if the armor was made form more pieces it would create lag.... well it would probably do just that BUT how about changing the graphic engine? Make it in such a way that more bits and pieces WON'T create lag... there are numerous online games where armor is made from 300+ pieces and the las is low if there is any...I quit eq1 causse i hoped eq2 was way better... it isn't... it's the same thing with a bit of fluff and umf... I am totally convinced that they used the same graphic engine with a bit of mods to it... otherwise i simply can't understand why this fairly new game has such a bad bad bad graphic engine and general graphics...I know that if a texture is to big(for good quality) it will load harder, i also know that more pieces load harder... BUT with a well made gr engine that problem would be gone in 60 seconds...Of course they wuld have to work on it... But it would be worth it because as a whole this game kicks ars...With graphics as good as Lienage2(no, not saying to make it look like Lineage2, jsut those kinda good graphics) this game would be Nr.1 game in this frikin world. No more empty servers, new ppl coming, a resurection of a game that will die in the not so far future simply because other games already have more to offer... When someone NEW to MMO's is looking for a game to play and sees Lineage2 and EQ2 where do u think he/she will go? ROFL! Lineage... LOOKS BETTER... they don't know how it is to actually play it... they just see it looks way better... Same with WoW... they look at some screenies and INSTANTLY they pick the better looking one simply because, again, it looks better. And as always it's the packaging that sells a product... By the time you "taste" it it's to late to not have it...So is it that hard to work bit to keep your game alive and well? Seems it is... Now really, ask yourselfs, when is hte last time someone NEW came to this game? Someone NEW NEW, not some alt or returning player...On my server, Crushbone, one of the best servers as population i haven't seen any new players since i made my account... All the ppl i meet in the lvl 1-35 zones were alts of old players...And i lvl'd 8 toons... So i spent a LOT of time in those zones... NOT 1 NEW player there...Again, this on one of the most populated servers...6 months of work, some good advertising to relaunch EQ2 and WoW servers would soon be empty(the kids wouldn't stay so no problems with stupid kids making trouble), Lineage2 servers the same and the same goes for the other games...I can't understand how can u let your game slowly die when for a bit of work you could make it the BEST game on the market...

Vooz

07-18-2008, 03:16 AM

<cite>therodge wrote:</cite><blockquote><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Clint_Gilcrush.jpg" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Clint_Gilcrush.jpg</a>that is what i want period</blockquote>I agree, that looks badass

Armawk

07-18-2008, 04:05 AM

Just to clear up a couple of your misperceptions..1: EQ2 models are unusually HIGH polygon for a game of its generation not low. There is no comparable contemporary game using higher poly meshes to my knowledge.2: Modern approaches to detail, primarily normal mapping but also other shaders, which eq2 was one of the first mainstream examples of, make adding those kind of details in mesh form a pointless waste of time, and noone is doing so or will do so. While polycounts are higher in next gen games and those do look better (think conan or assassins creed) that is solely the result of brute application of cpu/gpu power, the real advancements are in textures not meshes.3: WoW does the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you are asking for, using very low pol models and flat colour textures. It is a whole generation behind other games graphically, it sells itself on other factors (and very well too)4. There isnt some miracle coding change that will make things more detailed but faster. The more detailed games in existence require very expensive hardware to run well.What I THINK you actually want is just a stylistic change to a more extreme and improbable thematic look, and more variety in designs. All of us agree with the latter (and most of us really want them to get the damned skeletal revamp done and get new meshes in), but a lot of us dont agree with the former at all and inf act would be appalled if it came to pass.(oh and lineage 2 looks awful)

Vooz

07-18-2008, 04:15 AM

Lineage2 looks awful? you must have played it on a pentium 2 with no graphic card.Again, for the 340294943543543543543574354375432543 time, i don't give a finger what they do as long as they make this game look better.For all i care they can ask God to help, just have something done to this game to make it look like a 15$/month game!

Katsi

07-18-2008, 10:45 AM

I'd like to toss in a questionWhy DO you play EQ2?Most people I know choose MMOs because their friends play it, because they like the genre, or because they like the art.Since you don't like the art, why do you play it?I personally don't play Lineage, WoW, or Guild Wars because I do not like the art.I admit that I wasn't happy with EQ2's art, but I have grown to like it. And unlike the styles of the other games, the art of the gear does match the art of the world.For someone who just recently registered on the forums, you don't seem to understand that this game has been in existance, with the art that it has, for as long as WoW has. And most of the long timers who play would NOT make the change from EQ2 to WoW style, EVER. That points out to me that there are quite a few players who DO like the art styles as they are currently in EQ2.~ Cerilynn

Rissu

07-18-2008, 12:37 PM

<cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well let me brake it up for all:In order to actually make cool stuff they need to WORK, like u know, really work! Create stuff, not just change the color... And that means the dev team would prolly want a bigger pay check thus SOE would have to pay up and that would mean that the SOE big shots would suffer a pocket rupture and so they would have to stop spending money on cool cars and other crap they have <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />It is lame and pathetic that SOE team can't make a decent looking armor but all the armors i posted were created by simple people like us in a virtual world and they were created using standard prims (cubes, spheres, etc). Aren't u ashamed SOE? that some simple ppl like us managed to create something that cool without having any sort of programing/design skills and u can't make something close to that when u have a WHOLE team dedicated to that?God, i'd stick my head in the sand and never come out if i were u... Shame on you! Go sit in the corner!</blockquote>As was said before, why do YOU play if it's so lame and pathetic?!? My suggestion, why don't you apply to the art/dev team at Sony and push these changes?!? All snarkiness aside, you come across as a whining child stomping around and condescending in your posts.I've played WOW, EQ1, Lineage2, CoH, AO, DAoC, etc. and have no "real" complaints with the armor sets in EQ2 except for the standard gripes about robes, etc. -- but hey, I play a Fury, so I am happy with my armor /shrug. Each types of armor you see in each of the games I listed, are fitting for the games they are in. I cannot see WOW or L2 armor in EQ2, nor EQ2 armor in WOW, L2, etc./shrug -- many, many people play this game and you cannot please everyone...

Aurumn

07-18-2008, 01:28 PM

A couple of points for the OP:I have indeed met quite a few new players on unrest in the past few months. Some had played EQ1, some were totatlly new to Norrath. Folks DO come to this game. If anything I'd say the most common turn offs are performance (CPU issues), complexity and friends. Many folks will just go to whatever game most of their friends want to go to, even if they prefer another.I learned of EQ2 through my cousin who wanted me to join and play with him and his family. I looked at several MMO's before I made my choice. L2 is pretty, I'll give you that. I love anime and Final Fantasy will always have a special place in my gamer's heart, but since the gameplay/community I was looking for wasn't there, I passed. WoW didn't appeal to me either. I disliked the disproportionate anatomy and the blacklight poster colorschemes. The community was way more raid focused and below the maturity level I was hoping for... so another pass. I didn't want to return to AC. EQ1 was just too time consuming for me to buy into and I preferred the EQ2 UI and look. Not interested in Sci-Fi MMOs... so here I am. I don't play things that look pretty but are not enjoyable to play. To me I'd be better off with a poster on the wall. With the settings turned up EQ2 is actually quite stunning, even if the armor models are recycled. I'm all for EQ2 getting some variety in equipment options. I sincerely hope that this can be accomplished without plugging in stuff that simply screams "this was copied from [insert mmo name here]". However, telling SoE to effectively fire the art staff, toss the engine and start from scratch means you effectively want EQ3, not EQ2. To keep EQ2 they work with the foundation they built, for better or for worse. Hopefully they can be creative and come up with ways to pull off some great stuff even with those limitations, but don't equate what could theoretically be done if we were creating a brand new game with what can be done from within an existing architecture.

Cynziel

07-18-2008, 01:53 PM

ZOMFG, if modders can create completely different looking armors based on existing game meshes by simply morphing them a bit, widening a point here, adding some there, taking some over here... You would think the EQ2 art team could do it too. But it's probable that it's not the first thing on their plate. This whole talk of changing the engine, try to make the game look like Lineage or WoW is simply beating around the bush and not actually understanding what the OP is asking for. I like the game too, I like the art style of the ENVIRONMENT. But the character models make me cry, besides the fae/arasai and beast races. Same goes with the armor models, yes there's some nice ones, but they are all retextures, adding some interesting pauldrons, or just a few small details on those existing meshes would go a long way to appease some of us aesthetic fanatics. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It doesn't have to mean you have to refit every single piece of armor, it just means a few splashes of ingenuity would be nice.

Maergoth

07-18-2008, 02:36 PM

I'm sure it's been said already, but the concepts are very nice.IF they were put into the game looking like that though.. Lolz, I'd go elsewhere. Armor in EQ2 has always looked realistic. Lets take a look at some comics here.<a href="http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20070919" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20070919</a>And.. this is a little more PG13, but emphesises the point.<a href="http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060208.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060208.jpg</a>EQ2 armor doesn't need to be "[Removed for Content]". They are capable and working on new looks for armor, and with the appearance slots, I've seen a lot of amazingly done custom sets.Lets keep these as ideas, and maybe see them implimented with some serious changes <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Nice design though <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Aurumn

07-18-2008, 02:51 PM

/picks self off floorHahaha! I forgot all about that old CAD comic. A very apt depiction of the form follows function mentality a lot of us have and the drabness that sometimes results. Sorta makes me think of old westerns. Some had the "rhinestone cowboy" look like the main character was a refugee from a Mardis Gras parade, and others had the more down-to-earth realistic atmosphere where the guys actually looked like they'd been on a horse. Taste is subjective, but everybody likes to watch (or play) something fun. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />I'm all for new gear in whatever way the devs can get it to us. If that fabled Skeletal Revamp thing were to ever come to fruition there probably wouldn't be much left to debate. Just please don't let us get something outta right field. I don't think my poor heart could take it if I logged in one day to see an iksar in East Freeport sporting a purple zoot suit with matching fedora and cane. (looks at the "[Removed for Content]" in the thread title).

Ahlana

07-18-2008, 03:39 PM

<cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lineage2 looks awful? you must have played it on a pentium 2 with no graphic card.</blockquote>Well everyone has their opinions. Like Lineage 2 does look awful on my E8400 System with 4gigs of Ram and 8800 GT video card on max details.Let me break it down. The world itself has graphics similiar to EQ1 (later expansions like the last few). The engine is not designed for the way it is used and as such it limits what they can do. What they put the work into was the Characters which do not fit the game world at all. They are over the top fantasy that appeals in both sexually and styling nature. The stand out from the world which makes them look like they come from another game but at the same time draws attention to the only thing Lineage has.. which is the characters.Those kind of armor styles would not fit into the EQ2 world which though it is indeed a fantasy tries to be somewhat realistic in the looks of the game. Some of us love the look of EQ2 and while we would like to see new armor we still want it to look more realistic than the stuff being thrown around in here. Or Lineage 2 and WoW for that matter.So to end people disagree but when it gets down to it Lineage 2 is in fact designed on an outdated engine that could not produce what EQ2 offers w/o them upgrading to a different engine. All they save on the world they spend on the Characters which can create a very laggy experience in their cities. /shrug

Xanrn

07-18-2008, 05:14 PM

Yes Everquest 1 and 2 have an Art Direction its Western High Fantasy.I was going to post pictures but I ran out of time.So lets try.But I will start with NPC models that need to be made into PC clothes.The Uniform of the Court Guards in Maj'dul, especially the turban which loops down under the chin and on the shoulders.The plainer turban worn by Effreeti's and Djiin'sPretty much all the clothes worn by the NPCs on Isle of Mara.Admitelly most of them come back to the multiple races thing again.Headwear can be better devloped.Helms with more than just horns such as stag antlers or icons <a href="http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/damon1085/deathonthetrident.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Prime Example of Helms</a> @ <a href="http://www.medievalrepro.com/Images/TournHelm.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Another One</a> @ <a href="http://www.medievalrepro.com/Images/arthur1.JPG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A Third One</a><a href="http://en.amokanet.ru/gallery/martin/martin_1168.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Animal looking helms</a><a href="http://site-images.ws/cust/35422310461050620516457477648055232552/Roman%20Centurion%20Helmet%20Red%20Feather$58.95co st.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Helms with Plumes</a> @ <a href="http://www.raisonsbrassband.com/images/images_big/Armour-Pictures%20525_1.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Another Example</a> @ <a href="http://www.evenlodestudio.com/images/helmets/helmet_boar_crest_01.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Boar Hair Plume</a> (really want that one for my Monk) @ <a href="http://www.medievalrepro.com/Images/HorseHelm.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Horse Plume</a> <a href="http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_14.25.611.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ottoman Helm</a> @ <a href="http://img275.echo.cx/img275/7264/ottoman20sipahy20armour2015304.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Full Illustration of Ottoman Style</a><a href="http://www.swordsandarmor.com/images/Skull_Helm.JPG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Skull Helm</a> @ <a href="http://www.thak.ca/images/customarmour/skullhelm_01.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Skull Helm 2</a> @ <a href="http://www.knightsedge.com/armor/skull-helm-8128.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Skull Helm 3</a><a href="http://www.shumiswords.com/store/images/uploads/AH2314.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Samurai Dragon Helm</a> @ <a href="http://www.drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/082b.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Another One</a><a href="http://www.captjackspiratehats.com/images/hats/capt_jack_01.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tricorne Hat</a> @ <a href="http://www.espejosdelarueda.org/espejos/images/RPG_Mat-lg.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wide Brimmed Hat</a>Hat Legends of Norrath Art <a href="http://images.wikia.com/lon/images//e/ed/Headband_of_Vigor.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Headband of Vigor</a> @ a couple of good designs from that Card Art, but its hard to find pictures online.Various Armour Designs<a href="http://en.amokanet.ru/gallery/martin/martin_1132.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ironborn Lord</a> @ <a href="http://en.amokanet.ru/gallery/martin/martin_1161.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">War Cleric</a> @ <a href="http://en.amokanet.ru/gallery/martin/martin_1172.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bone Armour</a> @ <a href="http://en.amokanet.ru/gallery/martin/martin_1154.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Knight of Flowers</a><a href="http://www.globaleffects.com/C_pages/Rental/Wardrobe/Armor/Period/CompleteSuit/Oriental/ArmorSamurai736_hi.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Early Period Japanese</a> @ <a href="http://www.oriental-weaponry.co.uk/acatalog/HW2193Close.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Samurai Armour</a> @ <a href="http://fixitnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/samurai_with_weapons_-_kusakabe_kimbei_1841-1934.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">More Samurai Armour</a><a href="http://www.medievalrepro.com/Images/Cliford%20Armour%20Finished%2002.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Funky Plate Armour</a> @ <a href="http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Costume/armorhussar4.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">More Plate Armour</a> @ <a href="http://www.longshank.com/images/gothic%20plate.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gothic Plate</a> @ <a href="http://medieval2.heavengames.com/m2tw/history/miscellaneous_history_folder/medieval_armour/justafterarmour.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Plate with Interesting Helm</a> @ <a href="http://mysite.verizon.net/tulkaz/16thCenturyFull.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Half-Plate </a>@ <a href="http://www.stirlingbrown.co.uk/images/milanese.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Milanese Plate</a> <a href="http://carlosrocha.art.br/images/assassin-s_creed-color.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Assassin's Greed Look</a> @ <a href="http://www.betawatcher.com/resources/screenshots/74-1.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Aiel from Wheel of Time</a> @ <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph35_gallery/PHB35_PG41_WEB.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nice Monk Look</a>

Aurumn

07-18-2008, 05:27 PM

Here's one I'd like to see for our monks. It's always burned my biscuits that brawlers wear leather in this game. /shrug <img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a356/The_Daemon/GordonLiu0001.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="300" height="380" /><img src="http://web.tiscali.it/giovaneforesta/Grafica/shaolin%20monk.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="285" height="380" />

Chay

07-18-2008, 06:27 PM

<cite>Cerilynn@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd like to toss in a questionWhy DO you play EQ2?Most people I know choose MMOs because their friends play it, because they like the genre, or because they like the art.Since you don't like the art, why do you play it?I personally don't play Lineage, WoW, or Guild Wars because I do not like the art.I admit that I wasn't happy with EQ2's art, but I have grown to like it. And unlike the styles of the other games, the art of the gear does match the art of the world.For someone who just recently registered on the forums, you don't seem to understand that this game has been in existance, with the art that it has, for as long as WoW has. And most of the long timers who play would NOT make the change from EQ2 to WoW style, EVER. That points out to me that there are quite a few players who DO like the art styles as they are currently in EQ2.~ Cerilynn</blockquote>I play it because I like to escape from the real world for a bit. One of the reasons I don't like raiding is brings too much real world back in. So as part of the escape I'm all about the art... the eye candy. The ability to immerse myself in a world and forget about my day job, the economy, and so forth. Its like reading a book for me but living in it through my characters. Anything that jars me from that immersion takes away from the fun. Thus redundant uninspired art kind of destroys the world. Everyone looking the same destroys the world. So here I am having played EQ from start up till EQ2 launch. Then EQ since start up with a 9 month lay off when they made everything attunable. The art is tired and doesn't match the pitch (the artwork on the advertising and so forth). The armor, clothing, and weapon art are disappointing. The are recycled and haphazard. Even in its redundancy there is no cohesive vision its just ok use this and this and color it this way and name it this... Yawn. The art and gear don't match the world... I'm going to disagree with you: Most of the long time players I know are fed up with the way things look in the game. Its stagnant and might as well be Everquest Lego. Sorry, I think your assumptions are inaccurate. I think the majority of people would welcome more variety and more art along the line of the intro movie and the marketing. There are some things I don't want to change as far as character appearance but more variety and individuality are a must.There will always be a market for the type of art they have to offer (I don't know how many people are still playing EQ so surely some people will remain satisfied) but their are competitors around every corner offering something shiny and new (personally I'd love to find a game that incoporated all the favorite features from each that I've played: EQ, Earth and Beyond (ok not much there), COH, SWG (oh the great emptiness), EQ2, Perfect World, and AOC. And more are coming out and I'm sure I've missed some I would like. If a game doesn't imerse you in its world it will struggle.

Cynziel

07-18-2008, 11:04 PM

<cite>Chayna wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I play it because I like to escape from the real world for a bit. One of the reasons I don't like raiding is brings too much real world back in. So as part of the escape I'm all about the art... the eye candy. The ability to immerse myself in a world and forget about my day job, the economy, and so forth. Its like reading a book for me but living in it through my characters. Anything that jars me from that immersion takes away from the fun. Thus redundant uninspired art kind of destroys the world. Everyone looking the same destroys the world. So here I am having played EQ from start up till EQ2 launch. Then EQ since start up with a 9 month lay off when they made everything attunable. The art is tired and doesn't match the pitch (the artwork on the advertising and so forth). The armor, clothing, and weapon art are disappointing. The are recycled and haphazard. Even in its redundancy there is no cohesive vision its just ok use this and this and color it this way and name it this... Yawn. The art and gear don't match the world... I'm going to disagree with you: Most of the long time players I know are fed up with the way things look in the game. Its stagnant and might as well be Everquest Lego. Sorry, I think your assumptions are inaccurate. I think the majority of people would welcome more variety and more art along the line of the intro movie and the marketing. There are some things I don't want to change as far as character appearance but more variety and individuality are a must. </blockquote>Wow that's beautifully said. I'm not really an old time player, because I've only played here and there. But I have been a member since 2006, not sure why it says 2007, maybe it was after the second time I resubbed and the forums had changed around.... Anyway, the game has come a long way and I guess that's why I'm here now and loving it. But when it comes to armor sets and *cough* the characters, they could use a bit more originality and different sets. Even the texturing sometimes seems uninspired. I've seen some amazing work done by fans, see the Elderscrolls community, just with texturing and it can make two identical meshes look different and not simply recolored. I don't think asking for more choices and somewhat more diverse and dare I say it cooler looking armor has to immediately equal gigantic pauldrons or armor that would serve better as dental floss.... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Xanrn and Mendou, those are some really nice example, would love to see something like those.

Xada

07-20-2008, 03:39 AM

inshiningarmor

07-20-2008, 10:59 AM

<cite>Deval@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Imagine EQ2 with graphics like Lineage 2... Who the heck would play anything else?Back to biz... we need some change! not just a few blue cloaks from the tempest quest...Weapons could use a bit of umf to... Shields as well... god i had better looking stuff in eq1... Come on SOE... put some brain into it and give this game the look it deserves.U made the best MMO ever in terms of game play, lore, etc. but u forgot to make it look good...</blockquote>For some reason the people at SoE do not see that. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel when all they have to do is add more fantasy. My girlfriend woke me up 3 hours before work to show me this post. I would never be able to tear her or her sister away from this game if the implemented some of the fasion listed here. I would venture to guess they would attract a HUGE portion of the female WOW audience with better graphics and the vastly supirior EQ playstyle. EQ already has the playstyle down and the crafting is great... now they need to add some more fun. Fashion and style do not have to be cartoonish like WOW. Look at how many are running around in the faction clothes...

ZullalaTheRoekillik

07-22-2008, 05:16 PM

*drools huffs puffs* I want... I want (O_O). I want hot armor and cloth. Did you all see the stupid robes they had in the tempist quest?... well yeah you all did. I was so excited when the tempist quest came out cuz I was thinking they might have some lightning armor *sure they have a cloak but still (=_=)...* or a pretty dress!... but no they have lame stupid robes.

WeatherMan

07-22-2008, 09:07 PM

<cite>Mezzmyrelda@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here's one I'd like to see for our monks. It's always burned my biscuits that brawlers wear leather in this game. /shrug <img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a356/The_Daemon/GordonLiu0001.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="300" height="380" /><img src="http://web.tiscali.it/giovaneforesta/Grafica/shaolin%20monk.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="285" height="380" /></blockquote>This might be appropriate for monks, but there is no way any respectable (to their way of thinking) bruiser would be caught dead in a Hare Krishna airport robe. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />In all seriousness, bruisers should be given leather chest strapping/harnesses (even the females - you can strategically place such things, something akin to Blissful Awareness), leather breeches, and footwear that reflects their quasi-gangland/streetpunk philosophy - steel-toed hobnail boots. They are brutal, straightforward fighters with an uncompromising fighting style, and their clothing should reflect that. Their clothing, even their starter gis, look a bit too...well, monk-ish (if we use what's there as a baseline, of course).I know some will disagree, but that image makes sense to me.

Mysticdraco

07-22-2008, 11:13 PM

<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Chinese_Armor_3.JPG" alt="" border="0" />Want's helms like dis!

KniteShayd

08-01-2008, 06:47 AM

I want to see the return of the high collard robes with bell sleeves, for the mages.I would also like to see a way to layer 2 different pieces on one toon or a graphic for something like that. Like if i were to equip a robe on my wizzy and then the chestplate from bloodlines (he is a battlemage...), that way it looks like he has a tabard underneath it. Would loko nice for pallies and clerics too.I have always wanted zerks to have the gladiator kilt things too. like the art on the eqlive GoD expansion box.I want the cloaks to have a hood option like the robes, so that we can actially be cloaked.

tikasa

08-03-2008, 07:12 AM

No rework no new armor models. The software they were trying does not work so it is back to the drawing board. Wonder how many peeps will get suckered into believing them when they tell us it is coming soon...

Armawk

08-03-2008, 10:57 AM

<cite>tikasa wrote:</cite><blockquote> No rework no new armor models. The software they were trying does not work so it is back to the drawing board. Wonder how many peeps will get suckered into believing them when they tell us it is coming soon...</blockquote>And I wonder how many threads you will spam with over-aggressive comments about this, certainly dissapointing, news.

Noaani

08-03-2008, 11:35 AM

<cite>Trynt wrote:</cite> <blockquote>The concepts of "cool" and "crappy" are completely subjective, and vary per person.</blockquote>While I would love to see more variety added to the game, even if it is stuff I do not personally like (we have apperance tabs to show the apperance we want...), there are a 2 facts that need to be realised.First, with the current in game character model skeleton/system, it takes a single artist about 2 - 3 months of full time work (40 hours per week) to create the appearance of a single full set of armour. For this reason, it is un-economical to create a different set for each class (24 classes * 3 months each = 6 years of work for a single artist, or the equivlent spread over multiple artists).It would presumably be easier to make a unique appearance for each race than it would for each class, but that is speculation.Second, the skeletal revamp is not happening, so we are stuck with what we have.

Chips

08-05-2008, 09:28 PM

LOL [Removed for Content] huh?..the paladin looks like he should be on a logo for combsnever saw white armor before, what i would do: make the armor a metallic color, lose the shoulder pads , lose the overall anime look , westernize the equipment and char. and we have a winner. the sk armor looks like it would be impossible to fight in , the armor would be more a hinderance to the wearer in combat than protective, less obtrusive spikes , more minimalistic look, some sort of glowing symbol or emblem on the hauberk , no strange face mask, remember in essence the evil is in the wearer not so much the armor.more realism in game = a win anime, over sized junk = a sure loser what i am starting to dislike about this game is the road travelled by the design teams , going the road of WoW as opposed to the original concept of realistic looking weaps and armorlose the garbage guys and stick with the more real-life looking armor and weapons , its goofy anime crap thats gonna make me finally cancel my 4 year run with this game if art continues going in that direction.