Aggro Management

[Rhym]

I peel too much aggro why do I do that ? because 1500 hate x4 per minute is a joke when my auto hits do an average of 3500 dmg my debuffs add a lot of hate can we have the hate position drop again that was attached to our deagro proc , which is a joke since hate changes swashs assassins and rangers have transfers or degain ours is just not good enough adding in the hate position drop again would be much appreciated getting more aggro while doing less dps than the other 3 dps scouts plain sucks

[Anfauglith]

If you have real problems with aggro, go int line to get the position deaggro proc or the 12% dehate buff...They are here for that and Str/Agi/Int is far from a bad combo of aa lines.

[Geothe]

<p>Yes, it definitely sucks that brigands are the only DPSing scout that doesn't have a percentage based deagro  (Assassin/Swash have percentage transfer, Ranger has percentage straight deagro).</p><p>Unfortunately, Lockeye didn't give a [Removed for Content].</p><p>When the threat position drop was removed from brigands deagro proc, I PMed him asking about brigs getting a percentage deagro attached like other scouts.His Responce:  You have the Mercy line.</p><p>So yeah. Our "solution" requires brigs to get hit by the orange con-epic mob to drop a hate position, and according to the great Lockeye, that is perfectly even *rolls eyes*</p>

[Anfauglith]

<cite>Geothe wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yes, it definitely sucks that brigands are the only DPSing scout that doesn't have a percentage based deagro  (Assassin/Swash have percentage transfer, Ranger has percentage straight deagro).</p><p>Unfortunately, Lockeye didn't give a [I cannot control my vocabulary].</p><p>When the threat position drop was removed from brigands deagro proc, I PMed him asking about brigs getting a percentage deagro attached like other scouts.His Responce:  You have the Mercy line.</p><p>So yeah. Our "solution" requires brigs to get hit by the orange con-epic mob to drop a hate position, and according to the great Lockeye, that is perfectly even *rolls eyes*</p></blockquote>That's exactly why the int line is such a good help for us...with my setup I have 12% deaggro all the time aswell as a position deaggro.With the added efficiency of Baffle (which I use to start HOs), the diminished recast of our 2 deaggro CA. You should be able to to lower your aggro generation by quite a lot...and it only requires some spare points from the good stuff.

[lazlo1]

As much as i hate giving up points in rogue tree I also go down the int line, I pick up FD which is nice. ( unless the raid needs TS )I also use the 4% deagro food when i dont have deagro help (amends, peaceful link etc...). The stat gain from food is so small at higher lvl that is a small thing to give up. Its a little pricey so i try and remember to remove it when i dont need it.Deagro poison. I use it, but im not sure how much difference it makes?Even with all of that I cannot go all out in raids without deagro help. I use a different CAs order in those cases. I use a more rear loaded sequence. I think it hurts raid DPS when i cant use dispatch first but as least i dont die. My guild pretty much always helps me with agro if possible. Peace Link can be cast raid wide, so if there is a coercer in the raid i get that. If not they try and put me with a guard or paly. I love playing kill the paly hehe.In groups I just pace myself, it kinda sux but o well ...I would have to say agro control is thing I least like about my brig. I think SOE has there head up their read end on this point. The mercy line is unless in raids as far as im concerned and not much better in groups. Having to use a short buf and then get hit to deagro is a stupid concept, I would love to dispatch the developer who came up with that one.

[Razlath]

<p>I could be way off base here, and would appreciate some brigand feedback if that is the case, but are you proactively using your stealth hate position dropper?</p><p>I tend to try to use it just when I think i am about to cross the cusp and pick up aggro.  I don't wait until the mobs targets me because then I just fall a little bit below the tank.  If I use it before I pick up aggro then I fall below the next person.  It seems to work well, I am often the highest parser in my groups but I rarely steal aggro from a good tank (and some tanks I never steal aggro from).  Will this change significantly at later levels (I am only 62 currently)?</p>

[Jida]

Be nice to your Coercer and make sure they have the Master version of Link. And then Roll in the mage group with a troub.I rarely die anymore due to hate issues and the only difference is I lead with baffle as my first combat art and then Rake, Dispatched, Deblitate, Master Strike (if Applicable) and then Double up. The initial Baffle saves my hiney. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Lyasa]

usually i pop hideaway after my big hate combos, you should know what your high hate skills are by now. don't always work, and appeal? i usually die about 3/4 of the time after taking a single hit. i guess safehouse is the best deagro i have. heh

[Anfauglith]

I also always use it right after I chained all my cas on engage...because by then I'm usualy way high in the list if not firstDepending on the mob I use itright when I aggro or when I think I'll aggro in the next few seconds...

[Kegofbud]

For hate decrease:A) Macro Baffle in to some of your raid macros as part of it, like your Dispatched macro so you don't even have to think about its use.B) Run Ignorant Bliss because using Turgurs in raid is pretty much doing nothing, due to the cap of slows being hit anywayC) Proactively use Appeal for Mercy before AEs or when a mob has a damage shield. Any time you take damage from the mob, you'll drop in hate. Very useful on mages this way same way as well. Appeal isn't just for when someone has already gotten agro.D) Link from a coercer if no one else is having issues. The coercer should be able to hit 2+ people. E) Be in a the Mage group with a Troub.Screw the INT line for the hate decrease. I would never choose the hate decrease over DPS. There are too many combinations to decrease hate already. Make sure your tanks have proper hate increase and tell them to work for some agro. I do very high DPS and I have no problems with agro.

[Rhym]

but hey i dont ant to be forced taking some AA line just because someone thought its cool to remove hate position proc for absolutley no reason how does taking aaway a few percentages on the hate transfer which happened to our counterpart equal making a deagro ability completley useless i mean srly in 2 auto swings i did accrue more hate than i procced away with all procs per minute combined I use appeal for mercy exactly like this its perma running on me , but you could have AR up nothing hits you and in the next moment u get the 16k hit from the orange con mob and rez box ftw on top of that most stuff just doesnt AE or AEs are that badass that I wouldnt survive them if AR aint up its mostly vp trash im dying to im doin very high dps aswell and i dont peel on every fight but I got my 5 to 6 deaths per VP run period due to aggro i die mostly during the initial phase ofa fight Dispatched Enfeeble Rake double up , DEAD imo either gives us the same deagro back or look into debuffs and lower the aggro accrued by it , the debuffing aggro is srsly extreme and no i dont run any secondary poison anymore and i dont want to be fulltime grouped with a troubador all the time especially since they fixed Propagations , i want blessings luck of the dirge etc you for sure wont get ancestry from a mystic as they want it themselves for their proc gear and i want to a dirge to get the 10% base dmg increase for CAs assassins swashs aand rangers aswell can iust fire out of the blue all they want with getting almost no blame or just join a pickup group with joe casual tanking ur tanking pretty much the whole instance because their gear is either complete crap they mostl have no clue what theyre doing but i managed it already to peel from everyone and we dont have to try too hard at all to make it happen and hideaway is used in the moment i see the mob turning around but actually dont want to interrupt my ca chain especially not in rather short fights where every 1/10 second matters i mean come on its just us that have to take care of [Removed for Content] and that cant be

[Kegofbud]

Zaur, my post wasn't really directed specifically to you as much as a general informational and argument against the INT line.Good Swashes have issues with aggro on intense add fights as well though, they don't exactly have a get out of jail free card. And it does sound like your tank could do better.

[Anfauglith]

I think our aggro right now is just as it should be. We have a full line of aa for deaggro...lessening our aggro would make it totaly useless (as it was before). Right now it's usefull while not beeing needed. If you don't WANT to get less aggro that's your problem (without loosing much dps really)...you're not even using all you could to lessen it from poisons so it means your aggro is just as you want it to be.Not wanting to use your class to its fullest is no excuse say it's not working right.EDIT: A way to save yourself after your engage, use hideaway right after double up....while you may still get a hit and die...you also have a higher chance to live if you don't wait to see whether you aggroed or not to use it.

[Kicks]

<p>No offense, but I really laughed hard reading this thread. A brig of one of the ww top guilds complains about drawing aggro because he gets nuts from the very beginning of each fight. I think brigands are fine the way they are. Hell, playing a brigand in a raid situation is so [Removed for Content] easy. Just get yourself at the butt of the mob and click your buttons.Not gaining aggro is the only thing that keeps you alive during those dps fights. It's absolutely unimportant if you "lose" 1/10s of a fight due to clicking a deaggro button. What will happen then? You "lose" 300 DPS? Oh well. This game is all too easy and you think it's not easy enough?</p><p>Sorry guys, flame all you want, I have 8 weeks AoC Boards experience ([Removed for Content] game btw) and I can't stand reading those kind of threads anymore.</p><p>I used to have some aggro issues, too when going all in and this disappeared when one of our Coercers gave me that deaggro buff. Maybe that will work for you, too.</p><p>Peace. Happy Hunting</p>

[Supernaught]

<p>I have major issues with hate, so i've experimented with quite a few combo's to avoid stealing aggro.  I think the best solution is to use your debuffs first.  </p><p>For example, i start with roughen -> jagged blade -> remiss -> baffle.  </p><p>And because i am second on the dispatch order om my raid i follow that starting combo with Enfeeblment -> blood rake-> entrail-> spew-> sidestab-> INT line stealth, Rob.  </p><p>Then i drop my double up combo, clock -> batt assualt -> comp thrust-> Double UP. </p><p>**now in raids i have to be carefull, because after the mob is fully debuffed these two combo's spike huge dps, and tons of hate.**</p><p> So after i drop those two combo's i use trumatic swipe, and torpous strike.</p><p> then i use hideaway and then rob.  to ensure that my aggro is dropped low enough to continue dpsing.</p><p>after i drop my hate, i back out and use double throw, then start casting barroom neg. as i start to run in.  If timed right, you can get in your double throw, and a range auto attack.  then as your moving in, your AE attack will land just as you get back into autoattack range and you will auto attack soon as your CA is over.  This spikes huge dps, and it can make or break your DPS if not timed right.</p><p> with these combo's i am currently parsing 4-5k on a PVP server, and hardly ever pull aggro.  just remember to spam dehates as often as possible, and even cast appeal for mercy on yourself before you launch high dps combo's.  seems to work well for me, being the top dpsing brig in my guild.</p>