Gamebreaking Bug Found, Opinions Devs?

[Talathion]

<p>Currently The Guardian Epic lets you use Any Sheild With the buckler line, this is Way Overpowered and Should be Fixed Soon, People on my Server are exploiting this bug and making Content 80+ Useless and Easy and unfun, I encourage anyone using this bug be reported or told to use a buckler, I just hope they fix it soon, it pretty much makes "berserker" useless. </p><p>Now Guardians can have 85% Avoidence while Berserkers are capped at 42% ((Offence stance))</p>

[ChandraVeda]

this isn't new? i thought the shield restriction removal for guardians has been part of the epic since their release now for many months?

[Zhonata]

The avoidance cap is 80% so thus having 85% avoidance is a bit over powered.

[Zhonata]

The avoidance cap is 80% so thus having 85% avoidance is a bit over powered.

[Path]

<p>Berserker useless, Guardian Useless, Berserker Useless...</p><p>It all goes back and forth.  It's not an exploit, or a bug, they've already nerfed our epic once, and the epic is suppose to be the way it is to keep the Guardian #1 tanking class (As it always HAS been).</p><p>It's not a matter of "nerfing" things, as has been said countless times on all these forums.  Learn to play your class.  Do you REALLY think a Guardian is going to listen to a mage when he says to him:"Hey Buddy, you better put that buckler back on!"</p><p>My response to him would be:"I'm not your 'buddy', guy"</p><p>The Guardian epic is a freakin PITA to get, just like the berseker one.  If they got rid of the ability to go Tower shield what use is there for us to have an epic?  oh, 5% phyiscal dmg reduction... I could really care less about that.  I would rather they get rid of that and just let us run TS.  Oh, and Chandra, you're correct.  It's always been that way.FIX SHADOWKNIGHTS IN 08! <3 to ya SK's <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[LygerT]

<cite>Path@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Berserker useless, Guardian Useless, Berserker Useless...</p><p>It all goes back and forth.  It's not an exploit, or a bug, they've already nerfed our epic once, and the epic is suppose to be the way it is to keep the Guardian #1 tanking class (As it always HAS been).</p><p>It's not a matter of "nerfing" things, as has been said countless times on all these forums.  Learn to play your class.  Do you REALLY think a Guardian is going to listen to a mage when he says to him:"Hey Buddy, you better put that buckler back on!"</p><p>My response to him would be:"I'm not your 'buddy', guy"</p><p>The Guardian epic is a freakin PITA to get, just like the berseker one.  If they got rid of the ability to go Tower shield what use is there for us to have an epic?  oh, 5% phyiscal dmg reduction... I could really care less about that.  I would rather they get rid of that and just let us run TS.  Oh, and Chandra, you're correct.  It's always been that way.FIX SHADOWKNIGHTS IN 08! <3 to ya SK's <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></p></blockquote><p>zerks need about 25% increase in damage to compensate then, or nerf guardians due to their end all be all of everything that is to be a tank. they are near the top of the food chain for tank DPS and at the top for survivability. even a guardian could see something wrong with this.</p><p>as for this being a bug, unless its on the fabled version it is not a bug. the mythical removes shield requirements from the stamina tree, allowing them to use any shield they want, now if there is some shields that add 5% uncontested avoidance on top then that may be considered overpowered but its up to the devs to work that out. </p><p>i'm not pro nerf but it's pretty obvious guardians got the cake and pie both while other tanks got the left over crumbs. </p>

[Brook]

Funny how you can tell when a dev plays a certain class ain't it.

[Path]

<cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>zerks need about 25% increase in damage to compensate then, or nerf guardians due to their end all be all of everything that is to be a tank. they are near the top of the food chain for tank DPS and at the top for survivability. even a guardian could see something wrong with this.</p><p>as for this being a bug, unless its on the fabled version it is not a bug. the mythical removes shield requirements from the stamina tree, allowing them to use any shield they want, now if there is some shields that add 5% uncontested avoidance on top then that may be considered overpowered but its up to the devs to work that out. </p><p>i'm not pro nerf but it's pretty obvious guardians got the cake and pie both while other tanks got the left over crumbs. </p></blockquote><p>Yes, but here lies the problem with the veeeeery last part.  "guardians got the cake",  Always been that way, don't know why but it's always been that way.  I sympathasize for the other tanks though, I do.  Zerkers make great tanks though most don't compare them to the Guardian, and I know it's got to suck when you know you play your class well and then get stuck to the role of: Add-Snatcher... Woo..  I worked all this time to get all this gear and AA to be "Add-Snatcher"?</p><p>Frustrating yes, but each class has their specific role, and hell... I've seen some zerkers be better tanks than Guardians for the fact the Guard doesn't know how to play his class well.</p><p>Aerilik however posted somewhere earlier in another tank thread that they are looking into beefing up the tanks though, so we all have something cool in store for us I bet <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[LygerT]

<p>yea he posted in this forum that post coming expansion release they intend to make other tanks more durable.</p><p>my rant is less aimed at our "add snatcher" focus but at how so many of our abilities have gone south. if i knew i could continue to get the most out of my class without 1/4 of my buffs being antiquated i might be less sore about this whole scneario which has been placed before us. </p>

[Bremer]

Funny, people just don't understand subtle irony in the internet without 20 smilies attached to it.

[Path]

<cite>Bremer wrote:</cite><blockquote>Funny, people just don't understand subtle irony in the internet without 20 smilies attached to it.</blockquote>Funny I only count 1 smiley in each post.

[Slayer505]

<cite>InsaneChaosMarine wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Currently The Guardian Epic lets you use Any Sheild With the buckler line, this is Way Overpowered and Should be Fixed Soon, People on my Server are exploiting this bug and making Content 80+ Useless and Easy and unfun, I encourage anyone using this bug be reported or told to use a buckler, I just hope they fix it soon, it pretty much makes "berserker" useless. </p><p><span style="color: #cc0000;"><b>Now Guardians can have 85% Avoidence while Berserkers are capped at 42% ((Offence stance))</b></span></p></blockquote><p>How are we capped at 42% avoidance?  I must be exploiting or something then cause with full raid buffs I'm still at ~65% avoidance in OFFFENSIVE stance before casting temp buffs.  I tank 95% of VP in Offensive Stance.  The only time I go defensive is if I spike or right before an AE goes off that the raid is jousting.</p><p>I won't even go into your original premise about the Guardian Epic being an exploit.  Overpowered?  Sure.  An exploit??  Puh-lease.</p><p>Why is it I only see these pointless whiny posts from you all the time?  Why don't you go clutter up someone else's forums with this trash.</p>