Rare Dusts for pots and poisons - Supply problems.

[wullailhuit]

I have noticed that the number of rare dusts available on the broker is becoming less and less and due to the reducing number of people wanting AD3s for alts the source of T7 and T8 rare dusts has been drying up for some time.On Splitpaw there are now only 100 T8 dusts on the broker ranging from 30g each to 1pp+ each and only 25 T7 ranging from 15g to 2pp each.With all the different AE's on T8 raids that need fast curing,  people have to use pots to be 100% sure they are cured if a healer sometimes cannot do it.We could really do with either another source of of dusts or an increase to the number of dusts received from making AD3's from 2 to perhaps 10.The price of rares hasn't reduced at all below the price where it's possible to buy them just to make the dusts needed unlike previous expansions.It's getting really difficult to find the dusts needed to make potions for raids right now .

[Vicenzo]

<cite>wullailhuit wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have noticed that the number of rare dusts available on the broker is becoming less and less and due to the reducing number of people wanting AD3s for alts the source of T7 and T8 rare dusts has been drying up for some time.On Splitpaw there are now only 100 T8 dusts on the broker ranging from 30g each to 1pp+ each and only 25 T7 ranging from 15g to 2pp each.With all the different AE's on T8 raids that need fast curing,  people have to use pots to be 100% sure they are cured if a healer sometimes cannot do it.We could really do with either another source of of dusts or an increase to the number of dusts received from making AD3's from 2 to perhaps 10.The price of rares hasn't reduced at all below the price where it's possible to buy them just to make the dusts needed unlike previous expansions.It's getting really difficult to find the dusts needed to make potions for raids right now .</blockquote><p>Yep, I noticed that too.  Same on Nagafen.   What T8 dusts are available are being thrown up on the broker for huge prices.</p><p>I can accept they are valuable and not to be dismissed because us alchemists want them, but I think the Dust Distillation process from the Mara quest could be less costly in terms of fuel.   That would help immensely.</p><p>A few weeks back I snapped up a ton of flickering dusts, and distilled up and up and up and up.  Took me a couple of hours each night to make about 50 T8 dusts - but it cost a fortune to do it.  Still better than buying the T8 dusts direct from the broker though.</p>

[Miwyen]

<p>Maybe a way to solve this.. coul be to increase the droprate of the loams, and why loams is becurse ahts used for 2 classes adept 3, not 1 as the other, and the high price for loam due to this... low ate of drop, causes fewer to buy loams, thats fewer works for jewelers, and that is less dust... </p><p>my idea of solving it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> probebly not the best one tho <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

Happens every tier. Dust conversion is the solution they put in game.

[Rijacki]

We can hope the Living Legacy promotion is very successful and brings in a new crop of characters needing T8 adept III.

[GrunEQ]

<span style="font-size: x-small;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">I must have missed something....distill dusts?  How do you do that?</span>

[Duluvian]

When you have an appropiate level Alchemist you will do it via the quest in Rivervale.

[Qandor]

<cite>wullailhuit wrote:</cite><blockquote>IWe could really do with either another source of of dusts or an increase to the number of dusts received from making AD3's from 2 to perhaps 10..</blockquote><p>10? Not 3 dusts or 4 but 10? Seems rather drastic. Just wondering why the number 10 always seems to pop up. Last request I saw was that all rares, even roots yield dusts and that fellow wanted 10 also. Why not ask that they increase the rare drop rate a modest amount, say 500%, lol. </p><p>I have personally made and sold about 800 adept 3's. Most of those were sold pretty close to cost, rare plus fuel, in order to get dusts to make rare potions and poisons. I am far from the largest supplier of adept 3's on my server but just in my case alone your proposal would have resulted in an additional introduction into the market place of 64,000 rare potions and poisons. As it is now, everyone seems loathe to use common versions of any of these items, so with a 500% increase in dust supply they may as well just remove the common recipes from the alchemist recipe book altogether. I doubt they ever intended for rare potions and poisons to be the defacto standard for everyday use but they have become that even now with the rather limited supply of dusts and the huge supply of platinum in the economy.</p><p>One other  thing to note is that available dusts on the broker are not an indication of the supply of dusts within the economy. Most potion/poison suppliers obviously do not list their dusts for sale. If you want dusts you have to go out and hawk adept 3's. You cannot just sit back and wait for cheap dusts to hit the broker. If you think, in todays economy you can make 2pp on an adept 3 and have the rare dusts to boot, you are sadly mistaken. </p>

[Oh]

<p>OK I am confused (not hard to do at this time in the morning) WHY would you use a dust for a curing potion? I mean seriously is the normal curing potion that inneffective to warrent wasting a dust on it? I can understand power pots, and posions just cure pots seems well a waste.</p><p>Anyways yea I can see that this might become an issue. I have suggested it before although it will still get costly, is just simply buy rares and make wasted spells and then mute the resultant ad3. Granted not an ideal situation then again your talking about a non ideal situation too. The other option is go out lfw to make ad3 spells at cost for folks just so you can keep the dusts. </p>

[wullailhuit]

For those of you bemoaning the use or wondering about the use of a rare dust for curing...Common cure potions do not remove enough counters from the damage types of most T8 raid bosses to actually remove the effect.

[Meirril]

<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK I am confused (not hard to do at this time in the morning) WHY would you use a dust for a curing potion? I mean seriously is the normal curing potion that inneffective to warrent wasting a dust on it? I can understand power pots, and posions just cure pots seems well a waste.</p><p>Anyways yea I can see that this might become an issue. I have suggested it before although it will still get costly, is just simply buy rares and make wasted spells and then mute the resultant ad3. Granted not an ideal situation then again your talking about a non ideal situation too. The other option is go out lfw to make ad3 spells at cost for folks just so you can keep the dusts. </p></blockquote><p>I have steady sells of the handcrafted t8 remedies. Mostly noxious and elemental cures. I figure I sell about 300 of each per week to a very small market. </p><p>Since this is handcrafted the proffit margin isn't huge but its interesting enough for me to keep supplying it. I'm kinda curious what the people who buy them use them for since they generally buy 60-80 at a time.</p><p>There was a glut of cheap dust when everybody was scrounging for adept 3s. Now that the boomtown demand has passed the supply of dust is dwindling rapidly. Honestly, who didn't see this comming? The poison market is sick because dust was so cheap and plentiful when t8 started. I'm sure its correcting now and the scouts will start to complain bitterly.</p><p>You know, there is this huge supply of smouldering reflective shards on the broker. Last I checked they are down in the silver range. Maybe a use could be found for them other than mirrors?</p>

[EQTTEQ]

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK I am confused (not hard to do at this time in the morning) WHY would you use a dust for a curing potion? I mean seriously is the normal curing potion that inneffective to warrent wasting a dust on it? I can understand power pots, and posions just cure pots seems well a waste.</p><p>Anyways yea I can see that this might become an issue. I have suggested it before although it will still get costly, is just simply buy rares and make wasted spells and then mute the resultant ad3. Granted not an ideal situation then again your talking about a non ideal situation too. The other option is go out lfw to make ad3 spells at cost for folks just so you can keep the dusts. </p></blockquote><p>I have steady sells of the handcrafted t8 remedies. Mostly noxious and elemental cures. I figure I sell about 300 of each per week to a very small market. </p><p>Since this is handcrafted the proffit margin isn't huge but its interesting enough for me to keep supplying it. I'm kinda curious what the people who buy them use them for since they generally buy 60-80 at a time.</p><p>There was a glut of cheap dust when everybody was scrounging for adept 3s. Now that the boomtown demand has passed the supply of dust is dwindling rapidly. Honestly, who didn't see this comming? The poison market is sick because dust was so cheap and plentiful when t8 started. I'm sure its correcting now and the scouts will start to complain bitterly.</p><p>You know, there is this huge supply of smouldering reflective shards on the broker. Last I checked they are down in the silver range. Maybe a use could be found for them other than mirrors?</p></blockquote><p>It is not only the scouts that are complaining and using the rare potions. All classes use them in a raid. If the AE is not cured, you die. Quickly. Healers group cure have a refresh time, so every raider needs to cure themselves. Using a common potion is like putting a bandaid on a gushing artery.</p>

[Caethre]

<p><span style="color: #ff6600;">OOC.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">This was clearly predictable a long time ago. Now I am going to give away a market secret. I will do so in the knowledge that by the time it comes around to being relevant again, 99.9% of people will have forgotten this. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">When the level cap rises, the demand for AD3 spells in the new top tier is huge. I mean, really really *huge*. This means a lot of dust is produced. However, the demand for dusts in that tier is, at that point, basically non-existent. Hence, the price of dust is very low.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">However, six months after a level-cap rise, most fast-advancing characters have hit the new level cap. In many cases with multiple characters. The need for AD3 spells from those individuals goes down, and overall, the demand drops significantly. There is always some, but a lot less. This means, that the rate of dust production also falls. However, due to raiding ramping up, the demand for the products made from dusts rises steeply, and therefore so dust the demand for dust. Hence the price of dust rises fast. This is simple supply-and-demand economics.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Now here is where the "secret" comes in. As a production Sage, I hoarded my dusts. For six months, I didn't sell one. I packed my banks with thousands upon thousands of them. Only now, as the price is rising, am I releasing them, cashing in for the profit. Actually, I released some of my cache a little too early this time, and sold 4000 at under 10g each, and now they are going for 18g each, but nevertheless it has been a tidy profit.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">There are more to be sold of course, but this is a lesson for alchemists, jewelers and sages who SELL dusts, for expansions in the future. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">It is all part of the usual cycle. The market will find its own price. There is no need for action from SOE, because this is all just normal player economics.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Realistiically, simply expect the prices for dusts (and the products thereof) to rise to the point where demand is matching supply, as it does in every other consumable market. But when the next level cap hits, expect a huge collpase in the market again, for a few months. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p>

[Oh]

<cite>EQTTEQ wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It is not only the scouts that are complaining and using the rare potions. All classes use them in a raid. If the AE is not cured, you die. Quickly. Healers group cure have a refresh time, so every raider needs to cure themselves. Using a common potion is like putting a bandaid on a gushing artery.</p></blockquote><p>So then maybe the problem isn't so much how one get's the dusts, but more a function of the raids shouldn't be tuned to expect to have mastercrafted potions to begin with. Possibly they aren't tuned that way and folks are going overboard on using the mastercrafted potions. /shrug food for thought, if it costs too much to get whatever potion your trying to get then try downgrading to normal potions where it makes sense and see if that works.</p><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have steady sells of the handcrafted t8 remedies. Mostly noxious and elemental cures. I figure I sell about 300 of each per week to a very small market. </p><p>Since this is handcrafted the proffit margin isn't huge but its interesting enough for me to keep supplying it. I'm kinda curious what the people who buy them use them for since they generally buy 60-80 at a time.</p></blockquote><p>Odds are they are raiders that realize they only need a mild bandaid to keep them going till the group priest can remove the junk from them. In my groups I don't have a problem clearing the junk off folks as long as I'm not hindered from doing that, but unfortunatly there are a bunch of encounters that like to put folks out of commision. >.<</p>

[Gorhauth]

<cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Now here is where the "secret" comes in. As a production Sage, I hoarded my dusts. For six months, I didn't sell one. I packed my banks with thousands upon thousands of them. Only now, as the price is rising, am I releasing them, cashing in for the profit. Actually, I released some of my cache a little too early this time, and sold 4000 at under 10g each, and now they are going for 18g each, but nevertheless it has been a tidy profit.</span> </p></blockquote>Only 18G each?  Incoming RMT opportunity!On my server, the cheapest the dusts have been for the last 6 days or so has been 51G, and that is going to the house of the seller.So now, the trick is to make an Alt on AB and check the broker.  As soon as enough dusts are for sale under a certain threshold, say 20G, to make it worthwhile, transfer to AB, snap up all the cheap dusts, then transfer back to the original server.  You just paid $100 for whatever profit you made.Even better would be combining this with a transfer to get a character's name changed.On a more serious note, like I said before, the problem isn't have a ton of dusts on the broker *right now*.  The problem is that those of us who did hoard them are using them for our poisons/cures and not being able to replenish them.  The negative flow isn't just a trickle, it is a gushing wound.Adding 10 dusts as the by-product to an Adept 3 is faaaaaar too many.  Even adding dusts as the product that consumes the rare is far too many.  I would be more than happy getting a recipe that took my rare that could be used to produce a spell (tynnonium, fire emerald or silicate loam) and made five dusts INSTEAD of a spell/CA.  That would give people the choice of making either a spell and two dusts and hope somebody needs the spell or just five dusts.The problem isn't just that people are getting outfit with Adept 3s, but now we actually have masters that are dropping.  Why waste coin on a spell that is a marginal upgrade over your T7 master when you can just run an instance and be guaranteed to get that master over time?  That decreases the need for Adept 3s, and in turn puts an even tighter constriction on the flow of dusts into the wild.

[Gorhauth]

<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Odds are they are raiders that realize they only need a mild bandaid to keep them going till the group priest can remove the junk from them. In my groups I don't have a problem clearing the junk off folks as long as I'm not hindered from doing that, but unfortunatly there are a bunch of encounters that like to put folks out of commision. >.<</p></blockquote>You don't seem to understand how the cures work.  If the cure isn't a high enough level, it isn't even a bandaid on the sucking chest wound.  It is completely ineffectual.  As in, you just spent the 0.5secs not moving and not doing crap except wasting coin.  The cure needs to be at least the level of the mob the AE came from (general sense) or you drink it, you get a recast on it, and the effect is still on you and not diminished at all.

[Oh]

<cite>Gorhauth wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Odds are they are raiders that realize they only need a mild bandaid to keep them going till the group priest can remove the junk from them. In my groups I don't have a problem clearing the junk off folks as long as I'm not hindered from doing that, but unfortunatly there are a bunch of encounters that like to put folks out of commision. >.<</p></blockquote>You don't seem to understand how the cures work.  If the cure isn't a high enough level, it isn't even a bandaid on the sucking chest wound.  It is completely ineffectual.  As in, you just spent the 0.5secs not moving and not doing crap except wasting coin.  The cure needs to be at least the level of the mob the AE came from (general sense) or you drink it, you get a recast on it, and the effect is still on you and not diminished at all.</blockquote><p>You know you might be right considering I'm a priest and I have a cure button I just don't buy cure potions. I just checked the broker on normal cure potions and it appears they are only level 83 removal which well is kind of ... you know and the mastercrafted ones being 111. SOO i guess I can see the point. Even my cure button does 88 levels.</p>

[Spender]

<p>I believe the title of this thread answers its own issue.  These dusts were designed to be rare, so don't expect or demand that they be available on demand or at low prices.  </p><p>Everquest II would be a lot more interesting if there was a lot more scarcity.</p>

[Gorhauth]

<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gorhauth wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Odds are they are raiders that realize they only need a mild bandaid to keep them going till the group priest can remove the junk from them. In my groups I don't have a problem clearing the junk off folks as long as I'm not hindered from doing that, but unfortunatly there are a bunch of encounters that like to put folks out of commision. >.<</p></blockquote>You don't seem to understand how the cures work.  If the cure isn't a high enough level, it isn't even a bandaid on the sucking chest wound.  It is completely ineffectual.  As in, you just spent the 0.5secs not moving and not doing crap except wasting coin.  The cure needs to be at least the level of the mob the AE came from (general sense) or you drink it, you get a recast on it, and the effect is still on you and not diminished at all.</blockquote><p>You know you might be right considering I'm a priest and I have a cure button I just don't buy cure potions. I just checked the broker on normal cure potions and it appears they are only level 83 removal which well is kind of ... you know and the mastercrafted ones being 111. SOO i guess I can see the point. Even my cure button does 88 levels.</p></blockquote>Even the trash mobs in VP are level 85.  You can see how the named mobs won't be able to take a common cure potion already.