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Xalmat

06-24-2008, 06:47 PM

Known Languages of NorrathA previous post was my inspiration for this language guide. I didn't see any other reference regarding languages.All this is to the best of my knowledge, so please correct any inconsistencies and mistakes.Geographical differences can create dialects, much like they can in real life. However only a few races have major differences due to geography like this. Many languages likely evolve slowly over time, while others much more rapidly. It's likely that ancient languages, such as Gnomish, Stout, Dwarvish, have changed little over time, but evolving languages like Human (all dialects), Erudian, Gorwish, evolve at a very rapid pace by comparison.Current Player Race LanguagesThese are languages spoken by the player races at creation.CommonMost races of Norrath are taught a common tongue. Most Humans probably adapt this as their primary language.AntonicanA Human language used primarily in the City of Qeynos, and on the current Antonica (Karan) continent. Could be considered a dialect of Human, or a separate language altogether.Origin: City of Qeynos, Antonica (Karan) ContinentAncestor: Ancient Human or Common. Likely emerged after the Age of Cataclysms.(Note: available only on PvP servers)ArgotThe Language of Haven. Possibly a dialect of Common or Human.Origin: HavenAncestors: Unknown, possibly ancient Human, or CommonPossible Theory: Argot (in English) means "a specialized idiomatic vocabulary peculiar to aparticular class or group of people, esp. that of an underworld group,devised for private communication and identification." It could be that Argot is a direct Descendant of Thieves Cant.(Note: available only on PvP servers)Ayr'DalThe language of the Ayr'Dal, or Half Elves.Origin: Unknown, used wherever Half Elves are commonly foundAncestors: Unknown, possibly a mix of all variants of Human and Elvish. Possibly emerged after the Age of Cataclysms.DwarvenThe language of Dwarves. In use since ancient times.Origin: KaladimAncestor: DwarvishErudianThe language of modern Erudites.Origin: Island of Odus, was in use in both Paineel and ErudinAncestor: Erudin (not Old Erudin)FaerlieThe language of the Fae, as well as the Arasai.Origin: KelethinAncestors: Likely a mixture of Elvish and Faerie (not Elder Elvish)Feir'DalThe language of the Feir'Dal, or Wood Elves.Origin: KelethinAncestors: Elvish. Emerged after the Age of Turmoil.GnomishThe language of Gnomes.Origin: Ak'Anon, now named Klak'Anon since clockworks have conquered it.Ancestors: GnomishGorwishThe language of the Sarnak of Gorowyn.Origin: GorowynAncestors: Di'Zok. In use since Gorowyn Sarnaks existed.Author's Theory: Gorowyn Sarnaks are said to be "engineered" (?) versions of the Di'Zok, with their own separate history that doesn't tie into Di'Zok Sarnaks. The language is likely similar to Di'Zok.GuktanThe language of the Frogloks of Gukta.Origin: Gukta or Guk. Gukta fell to the Rallosian Empire.Ancestors: Froglok. Also possibly a dialect of Froak. Didn't emerge until Guktans were blessed by Mithaniel Marr during the Age of Turmoil.HalasianThe language of Barbarians.Origin: HalasAncestors: Barbarian. In use since the emergence of Barbarians.KerranThe language of Kerrans.Origin: Unknown. Modern Kerrans are descendants of ancient Kerrans of Norrath and Vah Shir of Luclin.Ancestors: Vah Shir, possibly an ancient form of Kerran as well.Theory: Ancient Kerrans of Kerran Isle and Vah Shir of Luclin reunited in many ways to form the modern Kerran race. It's likely that modern Kerran is a blend of ancient Kerran language, and Vah Shir language of Luclin.Koada'DalThe language of the Koada'Dal, or High Elves. Also the language of New Tunarians.Origin: Felwithe (now known as New Tunaria).Ancestors: Elvish. Emerged after the Age of Turmoil.(Author's Note: I would expect, unless a reunification between the Koada'Dal and New Tunarians occured, New Tunarians will eventually develop a separate language)LucanicA Human language used primarily in the City of Freeport, and on the current D'Lere continent. Could be considered a dialect of Human, or a separate language altogether. Origin: City of Freeport, D'Lere Continent Ancestors: Ancient Human or Common. Likely emerged after the Age of Cataclysms. (Note: available only on PvP servers)OggishThe language of Ogres.Origin: OggokAncestors: OgreRatonganThe language of Ratonga.Origin: Unknown, possible the Plane of UnderfootAncestors: Unknown. Possibly a variant of Serilian.SebilisianThe language of Iksar. Used by all Iksar descended from the Cabalisian Empire, but not of the Sathirian Empire, it was the language that Iksar brought to Freeport prior to the Age of Cataclysms.Origin: Cabalis, now in ruins.Ancestors: LizardmanTheory: Iksar of Freeport are long removed from the Iksar ofKunark, giving the Cabalisians time to evolve their language separatelyof Sathirian.StoutThe language of Halflings. Though Halflings of Qeynos and Rivervale were separated for a significant amount of time during the Age of Cataclysms, the two cities continue to have the same language.Origin: RivervaleAncestors: HalflingThexianThe language of modern Teir'Dal and Thexians, otherwise known as Dark Elves.Origin: NeriakAncestors: Teir'Dal, as opposed to Elder Teir'Dal.YkeshanThe language of Trolls.Origin: Grobb, prior to being conquered and renamed to Gukta.Ancestors: TrollNon-Player LanguagesList of languages that players can learn through questing or other means.Chaos TongueThe language of Nightbloods.Origin: UnknownDeath's WhisperThe language of the Undead. Only spoken by the undead of Ro. Said to be the language of the lost elvish city within the Desert of Ro.Ancestors: Possibly Elvish or Elder ElvishDescendants: UnknownPossible Theory: It's possible that the Undead of Ro are the reanimated corpses of ancient Sul'Dae elves who used to live in this region, prior to Solusek Ro's smiting of the land. It's possible that these undead might speak an ancient dialect of Elvish, possibly Elder Elvish itself.Di'ZokianThe language of the Di'Zok Sarnaks of Chardok. Not spoken by Gorowyn Sarnaks. Possibly a combination of ancient Lizardman and Dragon.Ancestors: Possibly Lizardman and DragonDescendants: GorwishTheory: Di'Zok Sarnaks are said to be creations of Iksar, the combination of dragons and iksar bloodline into a superior fighting race. It would not be surprising if the adopted language of the Di'Zok is similar to Dragon and Lizardman (the Iksar language of old).DraconicThe language of Dragons, Droags, and others of dragonkindAncestor: DragonDruzaicThe language of Pure Magic. Spoken by being of pure magic, such as Elementals and Golems. Also spoken by Evil Eyes.Ancestors: UnknownTheory: Words of Pure Magic could be a very ancient language in use since ancient times. No race in EQ1 was known to speak Druzaic; it's possible Druzaic is constructed after the Age of Turmoil, or is a new adaptation of another ancient language.FayefolkThe language of Fay.Ancestors: FaerieGnollishThe language of GnollsAncestor: Gnoll, possibly Serilian.GoblishThe language of Goblins. Yha-Lei also speak Goblish.Ancestor: Goblin.KrombalThe language of GiantsAncestor: Unknown.OrcishThe language of Orcs. Despite geographical differences all Orcs speak roughly the same language. Likely takes largest influence from Rujarkian Orcs.Ancestor: OrcishSathirianThe language of the Sathirian Empire. An offshoot or variant of Lizardman after the Cabalisian Empire turned into the Sathirian Empire.Origin: The Sathirian EmpireAncestor: LizardmanTheory: Iksar of Freeport are long removed from the Iksar of Kunark, giving the Sathirians time to evolve their language separately of Sebilisian.ScreechsongThe language of Harpies.Ancestor: UnknownSerilianThe language of Bugbears and Kobolds. Some Goblins, Ratonga, and Gnolls might understand Serilian as well.Ancestor: UnknownDescendants: UnknownThulianThe language of Lizardmen and Amygdalan across Norrath. Evolved from ancient Lizardman after the Age of Turmoil ended.Ancestors: LizardmanTik-TokThe language of Clockworks.Ancestors: Possibly Gnomish.UruvanianThe language of Djinn.Ancestor: UnknownVolantThe language of birdmen. There are several dialects of Volant, spoken by the owl-like Hoo'luk, the eagle-like Aviak, the vulture-like Vultak, and the parrot-like Spiroc.Ancestors: UnknownWords of ShadeThe language of Shadowed Men.Ancestors: UnknownLanguages of The Age of Turmiol (EQ1)Languages that players could learn during the Age of Turmoil (EQ1)CommonThe common tongue of Norrath during the Age of TurmoilDescendants: Still in useHumanThe language of Humans.Ancestors: Barbarian and/or Combine TongueDescendants: Antonican, Lucanic(Note: only available on the Firiona Vie server) BarbarianThe language of Barbarians during the Age of TurmoilOrigin: HalasAncestors: None knownDescendants: Halasian ErudinThe language of Erudites during the Age of Turmoil. May have had Erudin and Paineel dialects.Origin: ErudinAncestors: Old ErudinDescendants: Erudian ElvishThe language of Elves during the Age of TurmoilOrigin: Unknown (can't remember)Ancestors: Elder Elvish.Descendants: Ayr'Dal, Fier'Dal, Tier'Dal, Koada'Dal, possibly Faerlie Teir`dalThe language of Dark Elves during the Age of TurmoilOrigin: NeriakAncestors: Elder Elvish, possibly ElvishDescendants: Thexian, also possibly Dark SpeechDwarvishThe language of Dwarves during the Age of TurmoilOrigin: KaladimAncestors: None known, possibly predates or is an offshoot of SerilianDescendants: Modern Dwarvish TrollThe language of Trolls during the Age of TurmoilOrigin: Grobb, before the fall to GuktansAncestors: None knownDescendants: Ykeshan, also possibly Dark Speech OgreThe language of Ogres during the Age of TurmoilAncestors: None knownDescendants: Modern Oggish, also possibly Dark Speech GnomishThe language of Gnomes during the Age of TurmoilAncestors: none knownDescendants: Modern Gnomish HalflingThe language of Halflings during the Age of TurmoilAncestors: None knownDescendants: Stout Thieves CantThe language of Thieves during the Age of TurmoilAncestors: UnknownDescendants: None known, possibly Argot Old ErudinAn ancient version of Erudin, found in ancient texts during the Age of TurmoilAncestors: possibly Combine Tongue, ancient HumanDescendants: Erudin, Erudian Elder ElvishAn ancient form of Elvish, found in ancient texts during the Age of TurmoilAncestors: Unknown. Possibly the first language learned by Elves.Descendants: All forms of Elvish and their descendants, possibly Death's Whisper too. FroglokThe language of Frogloks during the Age of TurmoilAncestors: UnknownDescendants: Froak, Guktan GoblinThe language of Goblins during the Age of TurmoilAncestors: AnkexfenDescendants: GoblishTheory: After the first Rallosian War, it is said that the Ankexfens were cursed by the gods and became the goblins. Little is known about the Ankhexfens. GnollThe language of Gnolls during the Age of TurmoilAncestors: Unknown, possibly SerilianDescendants: Gnollish Elder Teir`dalAn ancient form of Tier`dal, found in ancient texts during the Age of TurmoilAncestors: Possibly Elder ElvishDescendants: Tier`dalTheory: Dark Elves split off from ancient High Elves early in the race's history. It's likely Elder Tier`dal greatly resembled Elder Elvish initially, but over time evolved much differently than Elder Elvish did. LizardmanThe language of Lizardmen and Iksar during the Age of Turmoil and in the Cabalisian Empire prior to becoming the Sathirian Empire.Ancestors: UnknownDescendants: Thulian, Sebilisian, SathirianCombine TongueThe language of the Combine Empire, largely a human-run empire that predates modern Qeynos and Freeport. Found in ancient texts during the Age of Turmoil.Ancestors: BarbarianDescendants: Human and all of its dialects. OrcishThe language of Orcs during the Age of Turmoil. Despite geographical differences orcs seemed to share a common language.Ancestors: UnknownDescendants: Orcish FaerieThe language of Fae folk during the Age of Turmoil.Ancestors: UnknownDescendants: Faerlie, FayefolkTheory: Fae after the Age of Turmoil, prior to the War of the Fay, likely split off into several separate groups, including the Fairy (Fayefolk), and the Fae. DragonThe language of Dragons during the Age of Turmoil. Found in ancient texts as well as spoken by DragonsAncestors: Elder DragonDescendants: DraconicTheory: There is no explanation as to why Elder Dragon evolved into Dragon. Perhaps Dragon-tongue took influence from newer languages over time. Elder DragonAn ancient form of Dragon, found in ancient texts during the Age of Turmoil, possibly spoken by very elder dragons.Ancestors: Unknown, possibly the first language of NorrathDescendants: Dragon, Draconic Dark SpeechA language of evil folk, largely spoken by Dark Elves, Trolls, Ogres, and any individuals of an evil persuasion, during the Age of Turmoil.Ancestors: Unknown, possibly Tier`Dal, Troll, and OgreDescendants: Extinct, no longer in known usage.Vah ShirThe language of the Vah Shir of Shar Vahl, found on Luclin.Ancestors: Unknown, possibly an ancient form of KerranDescendants: Modern KerranTheory: After Shar Vahl was blasted from Norrath and ended up on Luclin (thanks to the Erudites), the surviving Kerra became the Vah Shir, developing their own language and culture separate of the remaining Norrathian Kerra.Theorized languages and Other languages (EQ1)A list of possible languages of Norrath that should exist, but weren't available to players. Also a list of languages that do exist on Norrath, but were not player learnable, as well as a list of known languages that existed but are now extinct. Consider this the "other" category.Ancient KerranA possible language of Kerran prior to the reunification of the Kerra and the Vah Shir.Ancestors: UnknownDescendants: Vah Shir, Modern KerranTheory: Although Kerran of EQ1 only spoke Common to players, it's fun to imagine that they spoke Kerran in private, away from the ears of would-be adventurers.KedgeThe language of the Kedge, an underwater race, now thought to be extinct.Ancestors: UnknownDescendants: Unknown.Theory: As all known members of the Kedge race are dead, thus making the race extinct, no known speakers of Kedge existed during the Age of Turmoil. Phinigel Autropos was the last member of the race, and he spoke Common to players.AnkexfenA possible language of the Ankexfen, who were smited and became the Goblin race.Ancestors: UnknownDescendants: Goblin, GoblishAkhevanThe language of the Akhevans of Luclin.Ancestors: UnknownDescendants: None known, probably extinct.Theory: Akhevan language is very prevalent on Luclin during the Age of Turmoil, but could never be directly learned by players. Many texts in Akhevan existed. Unfortunately due to the destruction of Luclin, the Akhevans are likely extinct, along with almost all Akhevan texts. It's possible some texts still survive in one of the great libraries, however.

-Arctura-

06-25-2008, 03:40 AM

(( totally awesome <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I love it.BTW re: Argot, i believe one of the Lore and Legend trophies features a quote from someone named 'Argot'...might be a clue to the origins of the language? *shrugs*Ill have to go back and check which one...---

KniteShayd

06-25-2008, 07:42 AM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Death's WhisperThe language of the Undead. Only spoken by the undead of Ro. Said to be the language of the lost elvish city within the Desert of Ro.Ancestors: Possibly Elvish or Elder ElvishDescendants: Unknown</blockquote>Possibly derived from the Sul'Dal or a form of the elvish remnants of Takish'Hiz.

Miladi

06-25-2008, 03:41 PM

<cite>Accidental double post</cite>

Miladi

06-25-2008, 03:46 PM

<cite>-Arctura- wrote:</cite><blockquote>(( totally awesome <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> I love it.BTW re: Argot, i believe one of the Lore and Legend trophies features a quote from someone named 'Argot'...might be a clue to the origins of the language? *shrugs*Ill have to go back and check which one...---</blockquote>Argot: /ˈɑr<img src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png" border="0" alt="" />goʊ, -gət/ <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Pronunciation Key</a> - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Show Spelled Pronunciation</a>[ahr-goh, -guht] 1.a specialized idiomatic vocabulary peculiar to a particular class or group of people, esp. that of an underworld group, devised for private communication and identification: a Restoration play rich in thieves' argot.A fitting language name for Haven's den of turncoats and murderers on the PvP servers.

Cusashorn

06-25-2008, 09:03 PM

Despite that Thieve's Can't was only a form of Sign Language, judging by that description of Argot in the post above, it's not unreasonable to think that Argot evolved from TC.

Xalmat

06-25-2008, 10:44 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Despite that Thieve's Can't was only a form of Sign Language, judging by that description of Argot in the post above, it's not unreasonable to think that Argot evolved from TC.</blockquote>Given the definition of Argot, that does seem pretty logical to me.I couldn't remember Sul'Dal, thanks for the reminder! Perhaps Elder Elvish and Sul'Dal are the same language? (Takish'Hiz is the ancestral home of Elves, before they founded Felwithe, I believe)

Cusashorn

06-25-2008, 11:02 PM

Possible, but it's never been stated if the Sul'Dae lived in Takish'Hiz or not. All we know is they lived in Akhet Aken.

Mr. Dawki

06-26-2008, 12:35 AM

From the age of destiny timeline<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=359009" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=359009</a>**2ND RALLOSIAN ARMY** 300-400 years ago When Rallos Zek's creations had almost taken complete control of Norrath in the early ages of the 1st Rallosian Army, the other Gods had punished them to ensure that it could never happen again. The orcs were split into divided warring clans, the giants that couldn't escape into the frozen lands of Velious were killed, the Ankhexfens were cursed and became the lowly goblins, and the Ogres were stripped of their intelligence and became walking dumb-[Removed for Content]. I would say Goblin was derived from Orcish

Xalmat

06-26-2008, 12:41 AM

The only problem from that is that goblins existed long before the Age of Destiny timeline. Goblins have been present in almost every corner of Norrath for a very, very long time, long before the events of EQ1 and long before the events leading up to EQ2.

PsiaMeese

06-26-2008, 05:17 AM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>KerranThe language of Kerrans.Origin: Unknown. Modern Kerrans are descendants of ancient Kerrans of Norrath and Vah Shir of Luclin.Ancestors: Vah Shir, possibly an ancient form of Kerran as well.Vah ShirThe language of the Vah Shir of Shar Vahl, found on Luclin.Ancestors: Unknown, possibly an ancient form of KerranDescendants: Modern Kerran</blockquote>For my own information, is there actually a Vah Shir language primer within EQ2?Also, it has been my understanding that the Kerran Language is spoken by the Kerra. As that is the modern name after many years of physical and social evolution (Kerran of old Norrath + Vah Shir of Luclin = Modern Kerra). Is there evidence in the game contrary to this?

Cusashorn

06-26-2008, 09:53 AM

Technically, both Kerran and Vah Shir were seperate languages. It's just that the fact that the Vah Shir mixed themselves into Kerran society, both figuratively and genetically, the Vah Shir language has further evolved the Kerran language into what it is today.It's the same sense as how English has evolved from Old English to Middle English to Modern English since it's irst conception.

Fae

06-26-2008, 11:18 AM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>AntonicanA Human language used primarily in the City of Qeynos, and on the current Antonica continent. Could be considered a dialect of Human, or a separate language altogether.Origin: City of Qeynos, Antonica ContinentAncestor: Ancient Human or Common. Likely emerged after the Age of Cataclysms.(Note: available only on PvP servers)</blockquote>Thought i'd point out that the continent is Karan, not Antonica.Just a minor error <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Lodrelhai

06-26-2008, 12:26 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only problem from that is that goblins existed long before the Age of Destiny timeline. Goblins have been present in almost every corner of Norrath for a very, very long time, long before the events of EQ1 and long before the events leading up to EQ2.</blockquote>I know the quote from the timeline starts with the header for the 2nd Rallosian War, but the content itself talks about the results of the 1st Rallosian War, which does predate EQ1 significantly. If you follow the link, that first paragraph is basically backstory for events of the 2nd Rallosian war.

Meirril

06-26-2008, 02:48 PM

<cite>Faenn@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>AntonicanA Human language used primarily in the City of Qeynos, and on the current Antonica continent. Could be considered a dialect of Human, or a separate language altogether.Origin: City of Qeynos, Antonica ContinentAncestor: Ancient Human or Common. Likely emerged after the Age of Cataclysms.(Note: available only on PvP servers)</blockquote>Thought i'd point out that the continent is Karan, not Antonica.Just a minor error <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>The continent has been known by quite a few different names. The Elves have a name for it, the Combine had a name for it, I bet the dragons have a name for it too. Currently, Qeynos renamed the continent Antonica after the rending and that is the one in common usage.So ya know, there isn't an error just a different point of view.

Xalmat

06-26-2008, 10:52 PM

<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>For my own information, is there actually a Vah Shir language primer within EQ2?Also, it has been my understanding that the Kerran Language is spoken by the Kerra. As that is the modern name after many years of physical and social evolution (Kerran of old Norrath + Vah Shir of Luclin = Modern Kerra). Is there evidence in the game contrary to this?</blockquote>Not in EQ2 no, but in EQ1 you could learn Vah Shir language. Also in EQ1 there was no Kerra language, they simply spoke Common. But it's more fun to imagine there was a primitive Kerra language which, when merged with Vah Shir language of Luclin, eventually became modern Kerran.As for Antonica vs Karan, I've always called it Antonica, hehe.

Xalmat

06-27-2008, 12:44 AM

Added a few more things to the list, including a new section on "other" languages; namely languages that could have existed, but without direct evidence that they did. Also includes languages that once existed, but are now extinct (like Akhevan).

Lodrelhai

06-27-2008, 05:05 AM

Actually, the zone immediately outside of Qeynos is Antonica. But the Thundering Steppes are part of the continent too.I thought the whole continent, pre-Rending, was Antonica. Post-Rending, the Qeynos Hills/West Karana became known as Antonica, rest of the Karanas became Thundering Steppes, and the whole of the new, smaller continent was Karan (reflecting that it is what remains of the Karanas).Of course, I could be wrong.

Miladi

06-29-2008, 12:08 AM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, the zone immediately outside of Qeynos is Antonica. But the Thundering Steppes are part of the continent too.I thought the whole continent, pre-Rending, was Antonica. Post-Rending, the Qeynos Hills/West Karana became known as Antonica, rest of the Karanas became Thundering Steppes, and the whole of the new, smaller continent was Karan (reflecting that it is what remains of the Karanas).Of course, I could be wrong.</blockquote>You're correct about that. Antonica was originally the name of the entire continent where Qeynos and FP are. QH and I guess W. Karana are now called Antonica. Thundering Steppes is part of the original North and South Karana. The rest of the land of the Karanas were lost in the Rending as far as I've found out.Also where Everfrost is, Enchanted lands (Misty Thicket), and probably other lands I've forgotten at this time of night were also part of the old Antonica; pre-rending.

Cusashorn

06-29-2008, 12:57 AM

Actually, Antonica is entirely just the Qeynos Hills. West, East, North, and South Karana have been mostly destroyed, and what remains is the Thundering Steppes after the meteors really tore it up.

Miladi

06-30-2008, 12:33 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, Antonica is entirely just the Qeynos Hills. West, East, North, and South Karana have been mostly destroyed, and what remains is the Thundering Steppes after the meteors really tore it up.</blockquote>I thought the Rending tore up the Karanas and that the meteors just finished the job about 150 years later during the Shattering.

Xalmat

06-30-2008, 12:51 AM

New lore out of Runnyeye 2 confirms the link between the Ankexfens and the Goblins. As such, it's pretty safe to say that Goblin and Goblish evolved directly from Ankexfen.

Cusashorn

06-30-2008, 01:36 AM

<cite>Miladian wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, Antonica is entirely just the Qeynos Hills. West, East, North, and South Karana have been mostly destroyed, and what remains is the Thundering Steppes after the meteors really tore it up.</blockquote>I thought the Rending tore up the Karanas and that the meteors just finished the job about 150 years later during the Shattering.</blockquote>Meh. Details.

Daryx

06-30-2008, 07:10 PM

Nice to see this consolidated in one area. Since I don't PVP I was unaware of the PVP-only languages. (Too bad they don't have those on PvE.)Some corrections though. The spelling has typos for Feir'Dal and Teir'Dal. (Unfortunately I found Tier'Dal in-game once recently as well.) And the Kerra get their fur ruffled a little when you call the race Kerran. The language yes, but they prefer being called Kerra. Usually they ignore you if you do that.

Cusashorn

06-30-2008, 08:07 PM

Yeah thats right. The race is just the Kerra. Both Single and Plural. It was other races, specifically Humans, who eveloped the word "Kerran" as an adjective.

Xalmat

06-30-2008, 08:19 PM

In-game, in the Persona window, it is called "Kerran"

Cusashorn

06-30-2008, 08:21 PM

Well I'm surprised that has gone on that long. The devs said it was the humans who created that adjective and stuck it on them.On the other hand, calling a Kerra "Kerran" is no different from calling a human a "Teran", based off of Terra, the original given name for Earth.

Xalmat

06-30-2008, 08:23 PM

Terran, not Teran <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And if you are talking sci-fi, it's not all that uncommon for alien races to call us humans Terrans. But I digress.

Jindrack

06-30-2008, 10:19 PM

Kerran = singularKerra = pluralThe character creation screen wrongly uses "Kerra" for both. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Cusashorn

06-30-2008, 11:10 PM

Ahh but Jindrack, we lore boarders remember Moorgard or Vhalen... or one of the other devs way back during Beta, saying that the Kerra prefer to be called Kerra, and that it was the humans who insulted them by creating the name "Kerran".

Nocturnal Aby

07-01-2008, 01:29 AM

Quoted (with the exception of some spelling errors) from the original blurb about the kerra back before the game had gone live:Kerra is proper name of this race, but other races often refer to them as Kerrans. Kerra at first took this as extreme disrespect, and many faces were scarred by the claws of the Kerra. But in today's age the Kerra are far less prone to such rage over this mistake. Kerra now look take it as a nuisance when other races call them Kerrans, and easily shrug it off, although they make no bones about their disgust for the word when used in such a fashion. The word Kerran, as a noun, is so common that a greater reaction often occurs when you call them by their proper name, Kerra. Kerra are always delighted and often take great favor to those that know their proper name.And I was wondering if the Combine had their own language? If not a spoken one, I'm pretty sure they had a written language that differed from the others.

Cusashorn

07-01-2008, 01:48 AM

^ ahh there we go. Yeah that's where I heard that from. I thought it was from a dev, but that works too. I got the noun and adjective things mixed up though.

Xalmat

07-01-2008, 03:07 AM

<cite>Nocturnal Abyss wrote:</cite><blockquote>And I was wondering if the Combine had their own language? If not a spoken one, I'm pretty sure they had a written language that differed from the others.</blockquote>Yes, where was a Combine Tongue, which was used during the Age of Turmoil (EQ1). More specifically, it wasn't in active use, but many ancient texts available during that era (many of them magical in nature) were written in Combine Tongue. I personally believe the citizens of Shadowhaven, Katta Castellum, and Sanctus Seru on Luclin spoke Combine Tongue natively, even if they spoke Common to players.However, few said texts are known to still exist outside the Great Libraries. They have either been lost to the sands of time, or were destroyed along with Luclin. For those that don't know, the original non-native inhabitants of Luclin (besides the Akhevans and the Vah Shir) were ex-citizens of the Combine Empire looking to leave Norrath and settle Luclin (initially Humans, but eventually many other races soon followed). They eventually split into three factions: Shadowhaven, the residents at the central core of Luclin (adjacent to The Nexus and The Bazaar), Sanctus Seru on the sunny side of Luclin, and Katta Castellum on the twilight side of Luclin.

Squallaby

07-02-2008, 11:07 AM

I wish there WAS a way to learn Tik-Tok, that's always annoyed me a great deal.

Necrotherian

07-31-2008, 05:45 PM

<cite>Barstile@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I wish there WAS a way to learn Tik-Tok, that's always annoyed me a great deal.</blockquote>Me too. I was just getting ready to ask about that. The first post has it listed as a language that can be learned by players.

Cusashorn

07-31-2008, 06:12 PM

<cite>Rathorius wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Barstile@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I wish there WAS a way to learn Tik-Tok, that's always annoyed me a great deal.</blockquote>Me too. I was just getting ready to ask about that. The first post has it listed as a language that can be learned by players.</blockquote>The topic post mentions nothing about which languages can be learned and which ones cannot.

Miladi

07-31-2008, 08:52 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rathorius wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Barstile@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I wish there WAS a way to learn Tik-Tok, that's always annoyed me a great deal.</blockquote>Me too. I was just getting ready to ask about that. The first post has it listed as a language that can be learned by players.</blockquote>The topic post mentions nothing about which languages can be learned and which ones cannot.</blockquote><cite>Xalmat</cite> <blockquote>Non-Player LanguagesList of languages that players can learn through questing or other means.</blockquote>He did list Tik-Tok as learnable in the first post FYI.

Cusashorn

07-31-2008, 10:44 PM

Ahh I didn't catch that line... Well in any case, the developers said we'll never be able to learn it. Maybe the topic poster just forgot that little detail as he was writing up the list. I know I've forgotten a thing or two while writing lists before.

Xalmat

08-04-2008, 02:19 AM

My bad about Tik-Tok. I will correct that entry.

Xalmat

08-04-2008, 02:48 AM

I need to retire this thread because of forum limitations. It only allows 20,480 characters per post, and the original post greatly exceeds that limit, with little way to shrink it. As a result I'm going to start a new thread, and separate the details to allow more editing flexibility.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=425800" target="_blank">Please continue discussions in this thread.</a>Sorry for the inconvenience.*EDIT* Corrected link.

goldfeesh641

08-04-2008, 08:04 AM

<cite>Mr. Dawkins wrote:</cite><blockquote>From the age of destiny timeline<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=359009" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=359009</a>**2ND RALLOSIAN ARMY** 300-400 years ago When Rallos Zek's creations had almost taken complete control of Norrath in the early ages of the 1st Rallosian Army, the other Gods had punished them to ensure that it could never happen again. The orcs were split into divided warring clans, the giants that couldn't escape into the frozen lands of Velious were killed, the Ankhexfens were cursed and became the lowly goblins, and the Ogres were stripped of their intelligence and became walking dumb-[Removed for Content]. I would say Goblin was derived from Orcish</blockquote>Could the Ankhexfens be the goblins found in the Desert of Flames? That is, the sandscrawlers? They seem to be a fairly different type of goblin to me, dissimilar to Rujarkian slaves found in LDoN of eq1, Runnyeye, and Gigglegibbers. Also, the name seems to fit, for me, anyways, to be placed in a desert region...

goldfeesh641

08-04-2008, 08:06 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ahh I didn't catch that line... Well in any case, the developers said we'll never be able to learn it. Maybe the topic poster just forgot that little detail as he was writing up the list. I know I've forgotten a thing or two while writing lists before.</blockquote>Sorry for double post, but just to point out, there is a dwarf in game who claims to know Tik-tok (though claiming it and actually knowing it are two different things). He's gone now, but the old dwarf during the Erollisi Day celebration claimed to know Tik-Tok whenever you used that pick-up line on him, and he didn't seem to be joking (he was a bit dense to your advances). Though it is most likely just a joke, it is something to consider: there is precident for an organic to learn Tik-Tok.

Mynervia

08-04-2008, 12:50 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>I need to retire this thread because of forum limitations. It only allows 20,480 characters per post, and the original post greatly exceeds that limit, with little way to shrink it. As a result I'm going to start a new thread, and separate the details to allow more editing flexibility.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=421762" target="_blank">Please continue discussions in this thread.</a>Sorry for the inconvenience.</blockquote>You linked back to this thread <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The correct link is<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=425800" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=425800</a>

Golu

08-06-2008, 04:16 AM

<cite></cite>KerranThe language of Kerrans.Origin: Unknown. Modern Kerrans are descendants of ancient Kerrans of Norrath and Vah Shir of Luclin.Ancestors: Vah Shir, possibly an ancient form of Kerran as well.Theory: Ancient Kerrans of Kerran Isle and Vah Shir of Luclin reunited in many ways to form the modern Kerran race. It's likely that modern Kerran is a blend of ancient Kerran language, and Vah Shir language of Luclin.Technically, the kerra arnt decendants of the Vah shir, The vah shir are decendants of the kerra.One of the races (The nagging in my head says erudites) sent them to luclin much before everyone else had access to and from luclin and the breed of kerrans that are vahshir are thought to be dead with the "end" of luclin.So, with that in mind, most likley the vah shir language is a form of kerran, and kerran is from odus somewhere most likley