90% of all Bruiser are bad groupmate. Read befour creating 1.

[yzyh]

<p>A well played Bruiser is a nice adition to a group. But sadly, you very rarely meet a good one for a simple reason.</p><p>Don't make a bruiser tinking your a pure DPS class. If you want to melee DPS. Roll a scout.</p><p>Your roll is to either Main tank or off-tank and DPS in groups. If I need  pure melee DPS I will invite a scout. They will get the job done bether.</p><p>It bug me when I have to off-tank on my brigand bcuz the bruiser in my group is too busy trying to out DPS me. Your not EQ1 monk.</p><p> P.S. Don't tell me that crap that a good Bruiser will out DPS a bad scout. Its obvious.  A skilled Inquisitor will out dps a stupid assassin.</p>

[Pnaxx]

Is there a point here somewhere?

[Aull]

<cite>yzyh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A well played Bruiser is a nice adition to a group. But sadly, you very rarely meet a good one for a simple reason.</p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">That would not be the bruiser class fault its the person playing. I have met good/bad players of all classes and that doesn't constitute that the class is screwed up because of bad players. Sadly you could be right in your case. Maybe there are more pitful playing people playing bruisers.</span></p><p>Don't make a bruiser tinking your a pure DPS class. If you want to melee DPS. Roll a scout.</p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Agreed. Bruisers are decent dps but if really needing to see high numbers consistantly the scouts would be the way to go. Other fighters such as zerkers, guardians, and monks can be better dps than a bruiser.</span></p><p>Your roll is to either Main tank or off-tank and DPS in groups. If I need  pure melee DPS I will invite a scout. They will get the job done bether.</p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Some what agreed here. Bruisers can tank all but the epic mobs with good equipment. A scout will get the job done better all things being equal no doubt, but if the scout in a horrible player like 90% of all bruisers then it is gonna suck anyway.<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></span></p><p>It bug me when I have to off-tank on my brigand bcuz the bruiser in my group is too busy trying to out DPS me. Your not EQ1 monk.</p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I can understand this as well. To many tanks are really trying to be a dps class when they need to just be tanks. I see this alot too.</span></p><p> P.S. Don't tell me that crap that a good Bruiser will out DPS a bad scout. Its obvious.  A skilled Inquisitor will out dps a stupid assassin.</p></blockquote><p>In all reality a bruiser is a great everyday norrath tank, but again it is up to the person playing or knowing how to play is what determines the quailty of the class.</p><p>Granted bruisers do not have alot to offer others as far a group buffs and utility are concerned and monks have us bested on that one. Yes bruisers have trouble tanking those epic bosses but brusiers can do alot of things that other classes need two or more other players to do.</p><p>This is just my opinion but since bruisers cannot offer groups the advantages that others give like solid tanking abilities, utility, or group buffs then a bruiser should offer the best fighter dps as part of a bruiser resume for needing a bruiser in a group.</p><p>Disclaimer:  Nothing in this post is/was an official statement made by SOE. The opinion(s) in this post are based entirely by the author's in game experience and are not supported by hard core evidence provided by SOE. This post is not intended to be a cure/treatment for any class that has problems that exsist currently in game. Please use the /feedback options while in game to provide information that could possibly lead to the best possible gaming experience.</p><p>Thank you for your time.</p>

[Aonach]

yzyh got back to your rock. Or better still go back to your own class forms instead of coming on here and talking out of your rear end.

[Tindalos]

90% of all forum posts are bad, dis, or misinformation.Thanks for play, HAND.

[Toliandar]

I'm actually curious, have any of the top guilds with a top equipped brawler (I assume monk/bruiser tank evenly) tried using a brawler to tank a raid?I know next to nothing about raids as of yet. Is being the main tank of a raid solely restricted to guardian? Or can berserker/pally/SK MT as well? Or just off tanks? Can a brawler off tank in a raid setting?

[Pnaxx]

<cite>Toliandar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm actually curious, have any of the top guilds with a top equipped brawler (I assume monk/bruiser tank evenly) tried using a brawler to tank a raid?I know next to nothing about raids as of yet. Is being the main tank of a raid solely restricted to guardian? Or can berserker/pally/SK MT as well? Or just off tanks? Can a brawler off tank in a raid setting?</blockquote><p>Greavous seems to be in a raiding guild and he seems to be MA for these high end raids. But I will let him claify this himslf. here are his own words from a post....</p><p><b><u>Haha omg what a bunch of moaning old ninnys.</u></b></p><p><b><u>What raid wouldn't benefit greatly by having a well played bruiser in their ranks.</u></b></p><p><b><u>We out dps all the other fighters and a lot of the scouts.</u></b></p><p><b><u>No one can pick up a mob like a bruiser. Even if a monk has thrown peel on em a bruiser just takes it with divide n conquer like its nothing</u></b></p><p><b><u>Not sure why your getting destroyed when u do pick up the mob. Maybe your healers don't like to heal through the mob or something.</u></b></p><p><b><u>Now with our 10 second superman buff from our mythical we just take the mob and hold till the less dps minded meat shield gets sorted enough to grab it back.</u></b></p><p><b><u>If the mobs not behaving, a simple dragging of his [I cannot control my vocabulary] fixes the most disobedient.</u></b></p><p><b></b></p><p><b><u>To be honest I think that most raid leaders make their decisions on Bruisers by the few they have had to put up with. Most of them moan about how hard done by they are as a class and just try and dps in raid. </u></b></p><p><b><u>If that's all you bring then yes you don't belong in raid.</u></b></p><p><b></b></p><p><b><u>A bruiser must be played with speed. Good decision making and educated tactics are a must. As a Bruiser you never get to cruise in a raid. U can't just sit back and throw a few CA's. A Bruiser is watching the MT all the time. Watching the buffs that is gonna be effecting the tank and planning for the ah [I cannot control my vocabulary] situation miles before it happens. </u></b></p><p><b><u>If your not intercepting on the pull, making sure Altruism is always on the MT, keeping your avoidance on him, and switching back and forwards from dps to tank stance continually when ever the situation changes then playing a raiding Bruiser isn't for you. </u></b></p><p><b></b></p><p><b><u>IF YOU ARN'T A PROACTIVE PLAYER, DON'T ROLL A BRUISER TO RAID </u></b></p>

[Couching]

<cite>Toliandar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm actually curious, have any of the top guilds with a top equipped brawler (I assume monk/bruiser tank evenly) tried using a brawler to tank a raid?I know next to nothing about raids as of yet. Is being the main tank of a raid solely restricted to guardian? Or can berserker/pally/SK MT as well? Or just off tanks? Can a brawler off tank in a raid setting?</blockquote>Brawler can tank raid targets with right gear and right group set up. The only issue is that plate tank can do it better. That's why it's pointless to ask brawler tank in raid when there are plate tanks around.Though, sometimes, when you don't have plate tank(s) in raid, brawler can step up rather than call it a day. For example, one day in vp, we have only 2 fighters online, me and another guardian. The guardian went LD. We waited him for few minutes then I stepped up and kept raiding. I have no problem to tank VP named till he was back. In that raid, I have also tanked Silverwing when the guardian got purple vision. Also, I have tanked shade and phara dar alternatively with him without any problem. We first pulled every named in vp in that raid.So, can brawler tank raid target? Yes. Are we going to replace plate tank to be MT in raid? No. They are better tank than brawler.

[Aonach]

What couching said. Raids don't need us too tank but we can tank if required, if the MT dies for example. We are pretty leet off tanks too. However, like i said, no serious raid guild is going to ask a bruiser to tank when there are plate tanks available to do it.

[Junaru]

I'm just wondering how you manage to group with 100% of all Bruisers to know that 90% of them suck. You must play a lot.

[Rashnic]

<cite>yzyh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A well played Bruiser is a nice adition to a group. But sadly, you very rarely meet a good one for a simple reason.</p><p>Don't make a bruiser tinking your a pure DPS class. If you want to melee DPS. Roll a scout.</p><p>Your roll is to either Main tank or off-tank and DPS in groups. If I need pure melee DPS I will invite a scout. They will get the job done bether.</p><p>It bug me when I have to off-tank on my brigand bcuz the bruiser in my group is too busy trying to out DPS me. Your not EQ1 monk.</p><p> P.S. Don't tell me that crap that a good Bruiser will out DPS a bad scout. Its obvious. A skilled Inquisitor will out dps a stupid assassin.</p></blockquote>Monks are not DPS in EQ1.

[evilgamer]

<cite>Rashnic@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Monks are not DPS in EQ1.</blockquote><p>Yes they were, monk received no taunt skills period in EQ 1.</p><p>Monks could tank very well for a while there, but that was nerfed. </p><p>Basically only the plate classes were tanks in EQ 1</p>

[Rashnic]

Right. Were. Not anymore though. I hope EQ2 doesnt slaughter the "monk" class like they did in EQ1.

[evilgamer]

<cite>Rashnic@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Right. Were. Not anymore though. I hope EQ2 doesnt slaughter the "monk" class like they did in EQ1.</blockquote><p>Monks got "slaughtered" in eq 1 because they were tanking raid content as well or better then the plate classes and doing vastly superior dps to them.</p><p>This was never intentional monk were never intended to tank in EQ 1, but be a dps class.</p><p>I still remember those rediculous 60 AC monk pants that dropped off the AoW in Kael.</p>

[ganjookie]

<cite>yzyh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A well played Bruiser is a nice adition to a group. But sadly, you very rarely meet a good one for a simple reason.</p><p>Don't make a bruiser tinking your a pure DPS class. If you want to melee DPS. Roll a scout.</p><p>Your roll is to either Main tank or off-tank and DPS in groups. If I need  pure melee DPS I will invite a scout. They will get the job done bether.</p><p>It bug me when I have to off-tank on my brigand bcuz the bruiser in my group is too busy trying to out DPS me. Your not EQ1 monk.</p><p> P.S. Don't tell me that crap that a good Bruiser will out DPS a bad scout. Its obvious.  A skilled Inquisitor will out dps a stupid assassin.</p></blockquote>Its truth,  this guy transfered to my server and grouped with me. I was doing 110dps with my app1s and died on every pull cause I forgot to use buffs. Thanks or the tips yzyh.

[conscript]

I'm a returning EQ2 player and about 3 days ago I rolled a Bruiser on the AB server.I rolled him for OT and DPS, I don't think they are bad groupmates.But what about pulling, do Bruisers have a roll in pulling like Monks did in EQ1?

[Aull]

<p>Bruisers are excellent pullers. In the 50's will get a combat art called close mind that makes you immune to all control effects like charm, root, stifles, fear, ect. Just use it before the pull and lead the mob back to the group 3 min reuse timer. Also with aa's can get drag that literally make a mob face you and you drag it where ever you go for four seconds! </p><p>With close mind it really helps for the mobs that fear, root, and stun immediately on the pull. </p>

[Tago]

<cite>Aull wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Bruisers are excellent pullers. In the 50's will get a combat art called close mind that makes you immune to all control effects like charm, root, stifles, fear, ect. Just use it before the pull and lead the mob back to the group 3 min reuse timer. Also with aa's can get drag that literally make a mob face you and you drag it where ever you go for four seconds! </p><p>With close mind it really helps for the mobs that fear, root, and stun immediately on the pull. </p></blockquote>All very true, except the part about charm. Unfortunately nothing stops a mob from taking you over and forcing you to pummel your poor healer.