Frog slavery

[Odys]

I m quite upset  to be unable to help the frolog (children of marr allied of the faes)<div>out of the bloody Iksar hands. There is even a quest to capture slave back. </div><div></div><div>I know that western countries consume a lot of products made by modern slaves , either irregular allien or </div><div>asian people. That may be the reason why SOE present us slavery as another way to make money. </div><div></div><div></div><div>SOE morality is to prevent people to have as name a symbol of love and peace </div><div>and to give them incentive to help slavers. </div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>

[Jai1]

I think you are reading too much into it.  Iksar just like their tasty legs.

[Transen]

If you want to free the frogloks, go to Kunzar Jungle. Several quests there to not only help the ones already free but to free some that are still being held captive.

[interstellarmatter]

Yea, I agree.  Frogloks should not be held as slaves but killed outright.

[Soulforged_Unre]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yea, I agree.  Frogloks should not be held as slaves but killed outright.</blockquote>Seconded. If you keep them you're just exposing yourself to needless maintenance costs. Much more efficient to just deal with them when you capture them, and enjoy your meal!

[Jai1]

<p>Ok...ok but put the legs on ice to keep them fresh!</p>

[Jesdyr]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yea, I agree.  Frogloks should not be held as slaves but killed outright.</blockquote>This is not true .. you don't want to kill them until you are ready to cook them. They need to be fresh.

[Rainmare]

The questlines dealing with slavery have nothing to do with morality in the real world. The frogloks are weaker then the Iksar, and the Iksar empire conquered and enslaved them. The iksar empire owns Kunark, save for Veeshaan's Peak.So when in rome, you do as the romans. [Removed for Content] of the iksar means you die, if your lucky. if not, you get to join the frogloks you tried to help as slave labor or worse, since Atrebe is one of the Domini, and apparently still loves to experiment on living things.I like how you bring up the Iksar enslavement of the frogloks, but don't utter a word about the Tier'dal enslavement of pretty much any race that they can get thier hands on. one of thier questlines doesn't have you recapture a slave, but kill a slave that has outlived thier usefulness. I even think the dialog reguard the killing as the 'destruction of property'.Or do you bring it up because you play a froglok?

[Kellin]

Slavery is part and parcel of Kunark.  Every race living there was enslaved at one time or another.The Sarnak are particularly bitter about it.Very sorry that the game lore isn't all fairies, bunnies and rainbows.This sounds very much like the person who was complaining about shark fins.

[stahlej]

There are also Iksar slaves and the entire race were slaves to the Shissar.It's how the cultures on Kunark works.

[Miladi]

If it makes you feel any better about the Frogloks, the Orcs have plenty of races enslaved in their pits in Crushbone. This isn't the real world its a game, and in this game there are slaves and masters. If it offends you, then you're playing the wrong game. You MIGHT be able to convince the developers to end Norrathian slavery, but I don't see that happening any time soon. Its been 9 years since EQ1 came out and there were slaves there too.

[magistar]

<cite>Oustafiak@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>I m quite upset  to be unable to help the frolog (children of marr allied of the faes)<div>out of the bloody Iksar hands. There is even a quest to capture slave back. </div><div></div><div>I know that western countries consume a lot of products made by modern slaves , either irregular allien or </div><div>asian people. That may be the reason why SOE present us slavery as another way to make money. </div><div></div><div></div><div>SOE morality is to prevent people to have as name a symbol of love and peace </div><div>and to give them incentive to help slavers. </div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></blockquote>I know it isn't likely handled on a day to day basis, but the fact is, the people who own SOE are not a Western Country.  Sony is not an American company, even though the staff which runs EQ2 is likely mostly in the US.  Just  something to think about.Other than that many people have said it many times, its a game.  Slavery is a dirty part of a dirty continent and story.  It isn't supposed to be a good thing, but you are role playing, so fit it into the context of your character and simply dont help those  factions who hold slaves.

[Wolphin]

I am against the slavery of the frogloks too! Course I play a froglok and when I got to the quest in Fens and the quest in Kunzar that required the capturing or beating of froglok slaves, I stopped doing that questline, even though the reward was a nice item for my class... I've not done another quest for the Dalnir's Wheel faction since....

[Harvash]

I am hoping the OP meant this is jest.  I won't belabor the same points over and over.  Its a game. They're pixels. Don't play if you don't want.  Etc, Etc.However, for your viewing pleasure:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/Not%20Again" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...&topic_id=67965</a>Edit: Bleh, can't link locked posts?  Anyway, Search = Sharkfin.  Have fun.

[thephantomposter]

I read up on sharkfin, now that was funny! thanks for the smile!!!

[LordPazuzu]

<cite>Oustafiak@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>I m quite upset  to be unable to help the frolog (children of marr allied of the faes)<div>out of the bloody Iksar hands. There is even a quest to capture slave back. </div><div></div><div>I know that western countries consume a lot of products made by modern slaves , either irregular allien or </div><div>asian people. That may be the reason why SOE present us slavery as another way to make money. </div><div></div><div></div><div>SOE morality is to prevent people to have as name a symbol of love and peace </div><div>and to give them incentive to help slavers. </div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></blockquote>You're reading way too much into this.  It's a fantasy world with societies based on arch typical societies from human history, much like the Forgotten Realms Fantasy Setting for Dungeons and Dragons.  The slavery is appropriate to the setting.  It serves to add depth and realism to the world and establish the character of the Sathirian Empire.  It's one thing to say that the Iksar empire is evil and oppressive, it's another to actually let you witness and experience it first hand.  Isn't that ultimately the purpose of a fantasy world like this?  If the evil enemies aren't actually allowed to behave in an evil manner, then the game is ultimately a hollow and empty experience and they simply become "generic evil enemy #4" and it becomes a case of: <i><span style="color: #ffff00;">"Why are we fighting them? " </span><span style="color: #ff0000;">"Because thy are evil."</span><span style="color: #ffff00;">"How are they evil?"</span><span style="color: #ff0000;">"They just are."</span></i>

[Odys]

I agree that slavery may be appropriate for Iksar society, whay i dislike is the lack of quest line<div>allowing players to choose the frog side.</div><div></div><div>I would gladly take their side against rhiss, i have been looking everywhere</div><div>to find a spartacus frog without success. </div><div></div><div>I m quite glad to learn that in the jungle i will be able to take the frog side. </div>

[Amphibia]

<cite>thephantomposter wrote:</cite><blockquote>I read up on sharkfin, now that was funny! thanks for the smile!!!</blockquote>That thread is legendary! Best laugh I ever had on this forum. There should be a "Hall of Fame"-section here for threads like that.

[erin]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>thephantomposter wrote:</cite><blockquote>I read up on sharkfin, now that was funny! thanks for the smile!!!</blockquote>That thread is legendary! Best laugh I ever had on this forum. There should be a "Hall of Fame"-section here for threads like that. </blockquote>Yup, sharkfin was one of the best threads ever.

[Kiara-]

<p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Frogs are GREAT!  I love frogs.  They're the best!</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">With butter and garlic * nod *  lightly fried...  mmmmm</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">oh... wait...</span></p>

[Jesdyr]

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>one of thier questlines doesn't have you recapture a slave, but kill a slave that has outlived thier usefulness. I even think the dialog reguard the killing as the 'destruction of property'.</blockquote>Well, do you know of a better way to be rid of useless slaves? You can just let them go into the city streets or they will breed and overrun the place. Think of the mess that would create. We would have to enslave more people just to keep Neriak clean !

[Amphibia]

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Frogs are GREAT!  I love frogs.  They're the best!</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">With butter and garlic * nod *  lightly fried...  mmmmm</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">oh... wait...</span></p></blockquote>Oh, shaddap! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Gilasil]

<p>My Iksar bruiser is eagerly waiting for when she can hunt in  Kunark.</p><p>My fondest hope is that I can kill lots of frogloks and get a  ", hunter of frogloks" title.  I don't know if that's possible but that's what I'm hoping.  My other Iksar is a monk (she betrayed to Qeynos).  During the last month's event, once she got to heal folks of the blight she was very careful to never heal a froglok.  (sorry I just have this thing about frogs, especially when they insult my Iksar, as one in Qeynos would)</p><p>But for RP they both like frogloks.  Especially their brains.  Poached.  In the interest of getting along the monk is trying to kick the habit though.</p><p>I don't have it in front of my but my favorite NPC in EQ1 was a vendor in Cabalis (he's still there, I checked thanks to the free playing).  His pitch goes something like this:  "Frogloks!  Alive they provide so much trouble.  Dead they provide so much pleasure.  They provide everything from fine mats to fine meats."</p><p>I love that guy.</p><p>In reality this is just a game and the frogloks in question are just models and a few lines of code. I think the op was a bit over the top.   Maybe more then a bit.</p><p>It would be nice to have a quest line to free the frogloks.  Likewise, it would be nice to have a quest line to help the Iksar.  In the Feerott there are some Iksar refugees (families including very small Iksar) who say they just want to worship who they want and be left alone.  I hope I can help them someday.</p>

[Kiara-]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Frogs are GREAT!  I love frogs.  They're the best!</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">With butter and garlic * nod *  lightly fried...  mmmmm</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">oh... wait...</span></p></blockquote>Oh, shaddap! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><span style="color: #cc99ff;">* blows kisses *  Sorry, couldn't resist <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span>

[LordPazuzu]

<cite>Oustafiak@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>I agree that slavery may be appropriate for Iksar society, whay i dislike is the lack of quest line <div>allowing players to choose the frog side.</div></blockquote><p>There is.  The Synod Reet questlines in Kunzar Jungle located across the south end of the zone from Outer Sebilis by Ganak's old tomb.  They have their own faction merchant and vendors and everything.  In fact their faction is required for at least one epic line I think.</p>

[Pnaxx]

<cite>Sulan@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Oustafiak@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>I agree that slavery may be appropriate for Iksar society, whay i dislike is the lack of quest line <div>allowing players to choose the frog side.</div></blockquote><p>There is.  The Synod Reet questlines in Kunzar Jungle located across the south end of the zone from Outer Sebilis by Ganak's old tomb.  They have their own faction merchant and vendors and everything.  In fact their faction is required for at least one epic line I think.</p></blockquote><p>You go Sulan!</p><p>Psok <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Yimway]

Completely OT...But everytime I see this thread I think..FROG BASEBALL!!!

[Soulforged_Unre]

<cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Completely OT...But everytime I see this thread I think..FROG BASEBALL!!!</blockquote>Frogs would work so much better than the usual gnomes, frogs don't have any hair creating a slight drag to screw over their flight.

[WeatherMan]

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but.......slavery is the norm in Norrath, not the exception.*Someone pointed out that the Crushbone orcs had slaves.*In Kunark, slavery is rampant.*Slavery is a long-standing tradition in Neriak*Ithelz in Scale Yard is one of Freeport's most prestigious slavers, dealing in 'exotic wares' - like high elves.*It could be argued that the Renda'Dal are slaves of a sort (to the will of Mayong Mistmoore).Frog slaves?  Pffft...boring.  I'd like a strapping barbarian lass - one heck of a luggage-toter, and serious eye candy to boot.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[AodhanChalai]

Frankly I think there is far too much of MMO's taking a social responsibility angle when it comes to their games.Slavery should not be a taboo subject, this is Fantasy, not reality.  And in Fantasy things should not be clean.  Real opportunity to commit heroic acts requires real vile and evil acts being committed.  RP'ing an evil character should allow you to participate in behaviours (in game of course) that are considered vile and reprehensible in real life.Making games politically correct dilutes the world in which we play.  And I just wish they'd knock it off.

[ke'la]

<cite>Gilasil wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My Iksar bruiser is eagerly waiting for when she can hunt in  Kunark.</p><p>My fondest hope is that I can kill lots of frogloks and get a  ",<span style="color: #66ffff;"> hunter of frogloks" title.</span>  I don't know if that's possible but that's what I'm hoping.  My other Iksar is a monk (she betrayed to Qeynos).  During the last month's event, once she got to heal folks of the blight she was very careful to never heal a froglok.  (sorry I just have this thing about frogs, especially when they insult my Iksar, as one in Qeynos would)</p><p>But for RP they both like frogloks.  Especially their brains.  Poached.  In the interest of getting along the monk is trying to kick the habit though.</p><p>I don't have it in front of my but my favorite NPC in EQ1 was a vendor in Cabalis (he's still there, I checked thanks to the free playing).  His pitch goes something like this:  "Frogloks!  Alive they provide so much trouble.  Dead they provide so much pleasure.  They provide everything from fine mats to fine meats."</p><p>I love that guy.</p><p>In reality this is just a game and the frogloks in question are just models and a few lines of code. I think the op was a bit over the top.   Maybe more then a bit.</p><p>It would be nice to have a quest line to free the frogloks.  Likewise, it would be nice to have a quest line to help the Iksar.  In the Feerott there are some Iksar refugees (families including very small Iksar) who say they just want to worship who they want and be left alone.  I hope I can help them someday.</p></blockquote>I know there is a Huner of Fae Title(or something close to that)... and I keep meaning to get it too... and yes I still live in Kel.

[wullailhuit]

<cite>Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yea, I agree.  Frogloks should not be held as slaves but killed outright.</blockquote>This is not true .. you don't want to kill them until you are ready to cook them. They need to be fresh. </blockquote>Cut off one , freeze it and they grow another...you can then defrost and eat the frozen one and cut it off again - freeze.....Constant supply...