Please make this true.

[G'ville]

<p><img src="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/images/classIcons/wizard_lrg.gif" alt="" width="76" height="79" border="0" /> The Wizard can unleash the purest forms of destruction by harnessing the arcane magic of fire and ice.  Channeling the full force of these elements into deadly focus, <b>no other type of mage is able to match the Wizard's ability to inflict such great devastation upon a single target.</b> </p><p>This is the character description that is given for the wizard.  With all things being equal the wizards are being out damaged by other casters.  Please do not take away the one defining element of this class.</p>

[BiggiEQ2]

good god this forum is full of whine whine whine, other forums have discussions about whats best for this and why and how what equipment how will i enjoy the class very varied, at least half of the posts here are pure whine whine whine god almighty im embarrassed to actually have a wizzy right now /shuts door on way out

[Skwor]

<cite>BiggiEQ2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>good god this forum is full of whine whine whine, other forums have discussions about whats best for this and why and how what equipment how will i enjoy the class very varied, at least half of the posts here are pure whine whine whinegod almighty im embarrassed to actually have a wizzy right now/shuts door on way out</blockquote><p>Says the guy whose wizard was level 25 as of 6/12/08. Please enlighten us on all of your insights and wisdom you have gleaned of our class in your years of raiding and expereince as a wizard? /sarc off.</p><p>Before you go on to say "I have raided and seen enough of them played" Keep in mind I can say the same thing about any other class and as such have as much weight behind my statement as you would about wizards. </p><p>Dude you realize you are whining about whining? Pot meet kettle.</p><p>The op has a great point. SoE has a public position clearly stated on what the wizard class is supposed to be. There is NOTHING WRONG with asking them to live up to it, which atm they are failing to do.</p>

[SacDaddy420]

there is alot of whining.  whatev, maybe there should be.    All I know is I still kick a s s

[BiggiEQ2]

Sorry for the whining counter-whine, bad day at work and all. Just gets on my [Removed for Content] when I read post after post about how underpowered wizzies are. Fair enough they should be #1 in all mages against single targets, as the description says, and i guess they are in strict test conditions (just comign to mind, evencon mob, solo encounter, wizzy solo). i just think that buffs from other players and the correct group setup plays possibly a little too much in determining the outcome in parses, it seems to dwarf player skill and equipment when you can stack up to 5 other players each adding something to make a wizzy do more damage, or just have 6 mages in a group, it will make a huge difference i guess. yea im only 25, loving it so far, mostly for the fact that soloing is just stupidly quick (and deadly, not got Magi's enhanced or any STA line yet), and i like the pretty graphics <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but sitll, one comment in a post here said the wizzy had a hard time equalling the dps output of a dirge?? that just baffles me and winds me up, i know it shouldnt' but it does. i play an 80 assassin, and get frustrated with the jousting in raids and ae encounters of instances, even the easy difficulty of instances that warrants big room pulls, thus slapping my assassin's parse about a bit. rolled a swashy i got that miffed! and then playin with an uncommunicative rogue who would turn mobs to face me wound me up too when i need rear styles! anyway, im enjoying the wizzy so far and against the wisdom from this forum, im hoping to do more dps than my assassin due to said issues. maybe im ignorant, i normally am, but wizzies do tend to outparse me. maybe im just a **** assassin. time will tell. i may even join in with the broken record theme here in a month's time when i cry about not being to outparse a dirge <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[G'ville]

<p>If you want to think of it as a whine thats ok, I consider it more of a plea.  I don't play a wizard, heck I have never gotten a caster off the newbie island.  But my wife has played her wizard for years.</p><p>She has read the guides, posts, and any other tidbit that may be useful.  Everytime I think I found something new here about icreased resist rates, cast order, respecing, or gear upgrades.  I mention it to her, and the response I get is either "Already tried that" or "That info has been out for awhile".  At this point there is nothing she can do, besides get better gear as we advance through the raid progression.  But that won't really make a diference because the rest of the guild will be getting better too, soo everything will stay the same.  </p><p>Since she is not the top wizard in guild she never gets the perfect group, sometimes even a decent group.  The other night the illusionist in the group felt that TC was better used on the healer in the group than the nuker, even though they weren't really healing.</p><p>Barring the very unusual occurence of getting a good group, she is consistently out DPSed by Swash, Brig, Illusionist, Coercer, Rangers, and the Guardian MT.  It has gotten to the point that she is one of the last people invited to a raid, sometimes I think they would leave her out, except the raid leader knows I won't play without her.  Since I am a healer it holds a little sway.  If this does not make someone feel useless and unessesary I don't know what would.</p><p>This is the only character she truly enjoys playing, if the game continues to treat her this way she will cancer her account, and I will as well.</p><p>My plea is that SOE hurry up and put some effort to this aspect of the wizard class, I may be forced to cancel my account, and I would rather not do that since I am still having fun.</p>

[Burnout]

<cite>G'ville wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> The Wizard can unleash the purest forms of destruction by harnessing the arcane magic of fire and ice.  Channeling the full force of these elements into deadly focus, <b>no other type of mage is able to match the Wizard's ability to inflict such great devastation upon a single target.</b> </p></blockquote>there is no other mage that can reach the wizzi on single targets - if playskill, gear & buffs are equal...

[G'ville]

<cite>Burnout wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>G'ville wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> The Wizard can unleash the purest forms of destruction by harnessing the arcane magic of fire and ice.  Channeling the full force of these elements into deadly focus, <b>no other type of mage is able to match the Wizard's ability to inflict such great devastation upon a single target.</b> </p></blockquote>there is no other mage that can reach the wizzi on single targets - if playskill, gear & buffs are equal...</blockquote><p>After reconsidering, this is not true, I have repeatedly seen Wizards out DPSed by chanters after the last patch.  </p>

[thajo]

Well, then give every single mage crap/jack for buffs and wizards should still come out on top, given equal play advantages - which is the point.  Im with what sac daddy said though, in my guild wizards generally top our parse.  Did a few runs other day through T1 - 3 stuff and also some Trakanon, I believe wizards were on top the every zonewide.  Not to mention lots of fights like avatars or 100% jousted fights wizards excell waaaaaaay over assassins and other melee classes.  Of course thats where rangers can excel pretty well too, range based fights.  We have it alot better than people here think.  Of course maybe if the devs listen to all you people my powerful wizzy will get even more powerful =p  I may just be done disagreeing <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />

[Skwor]

<cite>thajoka wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, then give every single mage crap/jack for buffs and wizards should still come out on top, given equal play advantages - which is the point.  Im with what sac daddy said though, in my guild wizards generally top our parse.  <span style="color: #993300;">Did a few runs other day through T1 - 3</span> stuff and also some Trakanon, <span style="color: #993300;">I believe wizards were on top the every zonewide.</span>  Not to mention lots of fights like avatars or 100% jousted fights wizards excell waaaaaaay over assassins and other melee classes.  Of course thats where rangers can excel pretty well too, range based fights.  We have it alot better than people here think.  Of course maybe if the devs listen to all you people my powerful wizzy will get even more powerful =p  I may just be done disagreeing <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />"></blockquote><p>Off course maybe if the Dev's listen to you what will continue to happen is ONE person who happens to raid with Assassin's who are not that good ( or maybe even no assasins at all) will cuase the rest of the wizards to suffer. In spite of the fact that so many others (more than one person) bring up a valid issue which has been backed by data (See DARAY's many posts on this) gets blown off.</p><p>Your post about wizards always topping the parse for T1 thru T3 really brings this fact out. What you are saying here is for yellow content and below (content nearly ALWAYS less than 30 seconds fighting) your wizards beat everyone. Sorry this speaks volumes about the other classes then. Until now I have never seen a post where anyone has even argued much less contended that cloth could beat melee on yellow cons and below(raid content). This is indeed an unique perspective you have, even the developers have admitted that melee own yellow and below. Aerlik himself has said the very nature of the raid content atm favors melee / short fight specced classes. At the risk of speaking poorly of other classes, if your topping the parse on that content the issue isn't our class is designed well or right, the issue was your other DPS classes were not doing thier jobs well(I am sure they are capable of doing so, probably just blowing of the lower tier content).</p><p>You are not the only one playing and many more on these boards have seen otherwise. Also several who have added significant content, of which most wizards use, (yourself mostlikely as well) have spoken on the oppsite side of what you just posted. SoE has stated from day one and hasn't changed that position that wizards are tier 1 DPS, we should be fighting for the top slot not hardcoded at 3rd place behind 2 of the 4 scout classes everyfight. This isn't happening. Also the current state of the game requires <span style="color: #6633ff;">the perfect raid setup, group setup and gear setup for a wizard to even come close to an assassins </span>( and to a lesser degree scouts in general) who are hugely less dependent on group and raid make up. Take a brigand out of the raid and see what happens to the wizards. You have no chance of getting your good raid numbers, yet those same scouts will see little effect on thiers. Add all they get from poisons and the game is just upside down atm. A wizard for raids is only about DPS, nothing else. We wear cloth have no other raid functionality and depend on the perfect setup to even hope to be a good DPS. A scout class is A LOT less dependent on other classess, all have the functionality of poisons and they have greater survivability. </p><p>No I don't want to be a scout. I want the class I have played for over 9 years ( I have always been a wizard eq1 / eq2), in which I have been a loyal and mostly content customer, to have the ability to fulfill the role SoE has stated for the class and what the general fantasy gamer would understand as the role of a wizard to be. </p><p>This is not the current state of wizards and it needs to be fixed. I have lived thru this before in eq1 and would prefer not to see the days of red headed step wizards come back.</p>

[thajo]

You should have highlighed Trakanon too.  You know that orange con lvl 87 mob.  Anyway You are refering to VP and that is something all mages face.  The only consistency is mages complaining about their classes sucking when its the resist changes that are sucking.  The fact that we do parse amazing in t1 - 3 really makes the fact stand out that the resist changes are what brought us (mages) down if anything.  Chamber of Destiny is all lvl 85's and its not even as bad as VP.  You have no idea about my guild or our setups and classes we've had present in raids and what I have parsed against so I don't see why you brought up assumptions about it (that are incorrect).And your assumption about T1 - 3 parses is wrong.  We have very skilled melee classes, I mean we have a dirge whos done 5k in Chamber of Destiny.  Plenty of scouts were hitting 7k zonewides.  Although that was the same zone I did 8k in - and other wizards in my guild have pulled higher in that zone.  That was a pretty optimal raid setup for everyone.  What you say about short fights just doesn't match my experience, im sorry.  In PR on the first named, it was a 40 second fight and one of our wizard landed a 13k+ parse, pretty sure necro and a couple other broke 10k that fight too.  Mages can parse no matter what you say, I see it everyday so say what you will.  We have alot of mage parse domination but that doesn't mean our scouts don't ever land some high numbers comparable.  Not saying mages win all the time or scouts win all the time.  We all have advantages in certain fights.  Check out assassins vs rangers in an avatar fight.  Check out wizard vs necro in a fight where the mob has a fear/stifle damage shield.  You can make up tons of instances were x class has the edge on the other due to the circumstance.  Wizards are still landing on top pretty much with correct setup.  I've typed enough though and you probably wont change my mind because I'd have to believe something that doesn't quite match what I experience.  I admit theres some buffs that make a huge different for us - base damage and cast speed are good avenues for topping out our dps.  epic resist changes > any specific mage classes problem.  I remember there being nothing wrong with landing the crap out of trash in EH.I also can't even believe you brought up survivability.  Mages are borderline overpowered with all our mage only tagged dispersion gear and displacement gear.  A wizard can obtain up to 6, 10% stoneskin procs (via gear).  3 of them are easily obtainable.  I've tanked drusella with 2 healers, don't tell me we can't aim for survivability.  I mean giving were a wizard one of the least survivability geared classes, we don't do bad at all.

[Kage8]

<cite>thajoka wrote:</cite><blockquote>You should have highlighed Trakanon too.  You know that orange con lvl 87 mob.  Anyway You are refering to VP and that is something all mages face.  The only consistency is mages complaining about their classes sucking when its the resist changes that are sucking.  The fact that we do parse amazing in t1 - 3 really makes the fact stand out that the resist changes are what brought us (mages) down if anything.  Chamber of Destiny is all lvl 85's and its not even as bad as VP.  You have no idea about my guild or our setups and classes we've had present in raids and what I have parsed against so I don't see why you brought up assumptions about it (that are incorrect).And your assumption about T1 - 3 parses is wrong.  We have very skilled melee classes, I mean we have a dirge whos done 5k in Chamber of Destiny.  Plenty of scouts were hitting 7k zonewides.  Although that was the same zone I did 8k in - and other wizards in my guild have pulled higher in that zone.  That was a pretty optimal raid setup for everyone.  What you say about short fights just doesn't match my experience, im sorry.  In PR on the first named, it was a 40 second fight and one of our wizard landed a 13k+ parse, pretty sure necro and a couple other broke 10k that fight too.  Mages can parse no matter what you say, I see it everyday so say what you will.  We have alot of mage parse domination but that doesn't mean our scouts don't ever land some high numbers comparable.  Not saying mages win all the time or scouts win all the time.  We all have advantages in certain fights.  Check out assassins vs rangers in an avatar fight.  Check out wizard vs necro in a fight where the mob has a fear/stifle damage shield.  You can make up tons of instances were x class has the edge on the other due to the circumstance.  Wizards are still landing on top pretty much with correct setup.  I've typed enough though and you probably wont change my mind because I'd have to believe something that doesn't quite match what I experience.  I admit theres some buffs that make a huge different for us - base damage and cast speed are good avenues for topping out our dps.  epic resist changes > any specific mage classes problem.  I remember there being nothing wrong with landing the crap out of trash in EH.I also can't even believe you brought up survivability.  Mages are borderline overpowered with all our mage only tagged dispersion gear and displacement gear.  A wizard can obtain up to 6, 10% stoneskin procs (via gear).  3 of them are easily obtainable.  I've tanked drusella with 2 healers, don't tell me we can't aim for survivability.  I mean giving were a wizard one of the least survivability geared classes, we don't do bad at all.</blockquote><p>Good post. I am not sure about how gimped wiz's really are. Wiz in my raid matches my rangers dps all the time. We are equal. Now i know ranger dps is not the best but i do ok. Maby wiz's need a small boost but i mean come on its not that bad.</p><p>I can think of more than a few classes that need help over you guys. Id think wiz have an easyer time getting into raids than say SK's.  Heck if your main complaint about nerfed wiz dps is about resists then the nec's and conjys both need boosts over you guys. They suffer from the resists too and they are getting screwed by the spell damage, spell crit and such cause there pets, 40% or so of there overall dps, dont get thoes stats where at least you wiz's get the full benfit of them all.</p><p>Take my coments for what you will as i dont play a wiz myself. I also dont play a summoner or sk so i have no agenda here at all.</p>

[simpwrx02]

<p>Our assn hasnt been able to raid as of late, and our brig missed a night in VP.  That night in VP no brig showed exactly how bad the GU43 changes are, I parsed 3750 with about a 88-90% true hit rate with dots and procs it was 95% showed, but that is not a true value.  I base my hit rate off of Bolt of Ice/Ball of Magma/Magma Chamber and Solar flare.  Swashy in MT group outparsed me with around 3900 /shrug no brig = caster suckage.    Last night almost same raid setup but with a brig I parsed 5600 in VP and had about a 97% hit rate.  The swashy who had beaten me the previous time in was now at 4800 dps the brig helped everyone, but only a 1k increase for the swashy compared to my near 2k increase.</p><p> No brig, Bolt averaged maybee 17k-18k and most fights I was only getting like 19-22k for my high Bolt hit, where with a brig it is normally 28k+ and average about 22k.  With over 80% crits this means that  the mob was just entering the realm of where debuffs will increase damage for the nioght with no brig.</p><p>This really only shows how dependant mages are on scout debuffs as the mage debuffs do almost nothing and melee although also affected by no brig are not hit nearly as hard when there is no brig in a raid.  I think a large aspect of this is that all melee types gain from mit type debuffs where mages have thier own specific type fo debuff.  The fact that most melee classes have a debuff that helps then land an attack as well as increase the damage of it compared to mages that only have a debuff that will help with both, but only for thier damage type, hence all melee help each other where mages may or may not benefit from other mage debuffs aka a wizard/warlock debuffs will do nothing to help the other. Where a assn/ranger debuff will help each other max out damage potential.</p><p>However with a brig and the proper debuffs I am top mage ZW, but not top mage every parse which I think is fine but i also have good buffs aka troub/illy with TC.  When the assn is on he normally tops every parse, no assn I top the majority when i dont get aggro which happens more often with the assn not on.</p>

[Skwor]

<p>Allow me to try to be more clear. Should a wizard be on par with an assassin? That has been my point all along. thajoka, I have never said a wizard can't parse and all of my discussion has been about raiding. Please keep the group/solo stuff out of it. This is not a discussion about how we group, how we solo, or survivability when grouping heroics. It is a raid discussion.</p><p>According to SOE wizards and assassins are the opposites of the same side of the coin. Parsing equivalent to rangers is apples and oranges. A wizard brings nothing but DPS to a raid, as such if our DPS is not on par with our melee counterpart the wizard is lacking in thier primary raid function. Nearly all the other wizards posting here have pointed out that we are not on par with assassins and the reason has been the gu 43/44 resist/mit that SOE put in to nerf us as a way to improve melee.</p><p>Appearantly, somehow, you are managing to match your assassin's parses most of the time, unlike nearly all of the other wizards who play. This must mean you are averaging assassin parses routinly. Congrats be a gentlemen and tell all us other wizards how is it you are doing what nearly every other wizard isn't. Since appearantly the game is well balanced and perhaps we are even overpowered according to you. How do the rest of us match an assassin's parse an even percentage of the time. </p><p>My point has always been, we are not on par, and we should be competing with assassins on the parse. My expereince and many others has been that assassins easily own it nearly all of the time. However you seem to know how to parse on average with an assassin an even percentage of the time. I would and will be the first to say thank you and praise you for sharing this knowledge.</p><p>I am not trying to be sarcastic, seriously I don't believe a wizard parses in the same range as an assassin. I am appearntly not the only one and can argue that many others are having similar experiences. I am not implying your other classess are not anything other than excellent. Which means hitting ZW's routinely equivalent to assassins.</p><p>All of this aside it is even more disheartening knowing a wizard is so utterly dependent on having perfection in raid makeup to even hope to parse just below an assassin's numbers whereas the assassin is much less dependent on a perfect raid. This is just broke from my perspective. Let the mage debuffs cross support other mages then maybe we will have better balance. ATM wizards (and DPS cloth in general) are way to dependent on to many other classes in the raid. </p>

[mrsma]

<p>After reading this thread........</p><p>My lvl 25 wizard is awesome solo.</p><p>My lvl 25 wizard is awesome PVP</p><p>My lvl 25 wizard is OK in a group of 6 in an instance. The main problem I have found has been raised already which is if a mob is yellow / green / blue i have to cast a BIG spell at the same time the MT is getting aggro just to get a descent hit (which is not how i would like to play) ! If i wait and buff first or just wait till the MT has aggro the mob is dead before i let off one GOOD spell.</p><p>Ideally i would cast my spike shield on the MT, debuff target, cast Ball of fire  then Chamber of Fire or plasma bolt (i think).</p><p>I suppose an answer would be to attack Orange / Red mobs hehehe</p><p>Just my pennies worth.</p>

[gehlbg07]

<p>Ah, I meander into this forum out of pure boredom to find drama following the "whiney" posts. I am not one to sit here and complain, but it IS true that wizard DPS has becom inferior to assassins. Give me a troub and an illy, then give an assassin a dirge and coercer(the ideal setup for each class), and with the best instance gear you can get, the assassin will outparse the wiz roughly 4.8k - 3.4k in raids. I know how to play my class, and have been playing it for quite some time now, but assassin DPS is just uber right now. And here's the gear I have on(almost all adorned with the best adornments)...Fuschia FineryJarsath Robe of RoyaltySymbol of the EatenWoven Silk UnderlayFish Embroidered GlovesDeath Bringer's CordPristine Imbued Tranquil Swiftcloth PantaloonsBoots of the Waste HunterStaff of the ImpalerPraetor's GuardDanak WishboneScale of the LeviathanWill Bender of the Drudi-KhaTormented Bracelet of DoomCoil of Vile SpawnsBurdened SignetBangle of ThuugaForce HoopBloodthirsty ChokerThat is almost every single piece of the best non-raid gear on the game. And I am getting out-parsed by over 1.5k by an assassin, also with some of the best non-raid gear. Assassins are just sick right now, but what can you do? /roll an Assassin. The phases come and go, before you know it wizzy DPS will be uber l337 again and melee DPS will be second rate. I'm just waiting for that day to come <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p>

[thajo]

All this can be summed up by saying roll-back the epic resist sillyness.  We are pretty dependent on a brig.  I mean there are plenty of pulls where I don't get any resists - and theres pulls where its nasty and I resist some good stuff.  The ones where I don't get resists the parses are fine.  Our wizzy class is okay and if it wasn't I wouldn't still parse well when landing everything.  If they fix resists so its not so tough for us to land - or being dependent on brig debuffs being in, we'd parse just like all those pulls where stuff goes our way, imo.An assassin can drop execute in a short fight, a wizard can drop fission, bolt of ice and a 100k manaburn.  I mean we certainly have what it takes to blow up our numbers on a short fight parse.  Even manaburn is on a waaaay shorter timer than some of assassins highest hits.  Ill admit though its possible assassins are offered more dps via heroic/lower teir gained gear.  Wizard do find their upgrades pretty high up the gear list as far as the zones/mobs you get them from.  I don't have as much experience with those conditions and last time I did, it was way before those changes.

[orchard54]

All I know is since about level 25 i've been soloing yellow triple up heroics with ease. Never been able to do that with my other toons no matter how decked out they are. If that isn't power I don't know what is.

[G'ville]

For clarification I am asking for DPS improvements on 80 raiding wizards.

[SacDaddy420]

for clarification, you need to understand that we neither need, nor is there a chance in hell, that we are gonna get a bump in base damage.If you really know what youre doing you'd realize this.what WE DO NEED, however, is the lame uber epic resists lowered.thx

[Skwor]

<cite>SacDaddy420 wrote:</cite><blockquote>for clarification, you need to understand that we neither need, nor is there a chance in hell, that we are gonna get a bump in base damage.If you really know what youre doing you'd realize this.what WE DO NEED, however, is the lame uber epic resists lowered.thx</blockquote><p>This is about the same as having a bump in base damage in regards to those epics. </p><p>Yes I agree a bump in overall base damage is silly. Removing gu 43/44's assinine res/mit crap is a must!</p>

[BiggiEQ2]

yea so the discussion follows an aid to raiding wizzies as people mention groups and soloing isnt an issue (well the issue is heroic content dies too quick?) anyway my wizzy is on hold whilst i [Removed for Content] out my assassin, im still not confident playing the little ratonga, i swear having a sluggish pc effects my auto attack rate and CA spammage wizzy is pretty colours though <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[thajo]

To further back what I've said about resists not being that bad with a Brig present, I examined our parse after what was left of wing 1 and all of wing 2.  I merged all the trash zonewide (was just bout same with names added too) to check out the hit-rates.  The results were pleasing and I was only ahead of a kick [I cannot control my vocabulary] assassin by ~250dps.  If I include all the names the margin is even smaller.  Not too bad a hit rate for Bolt of Ice in VP.ugh, i dunno how to get images in here!  A direct link is best I can do - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.eq2flames.com/attachments/wizards/1130d1213851968-new-parse-thread-vp1and2trash.jpg" target="_blank">PARSE IMAGE</a>ps. I still agree without a brig it is a pretty brutal task to land spells though.  The difference is way too huge.

[G'ville]

<p>After getting out parsed by a Coercer in maidens we have ditched the wiz out of frustration and started leveling up a assassin.  Which at 72 consistently out parsed a 79 wiz.</p><p> I do hope they give this class a little more attention.</p>

[ailees]

VP fight some days ago.Guild is casual, we killed Druushk but not Nexona and our raid dps is around 55K.Last time we had 3 assassins and 3 casters (wizard, warlock and another one, I don't remember which)2 assassin where at 5.5 K1 at 5 the 3 casters at 4 or a little bit more (4.2 ?)  - no singer btw -

[thajo]

You're just all off base.You are comparing heroic instances where mobs die soooo fast to people talking about wizards raid DPS.  I do RE2 with our coerc all the time and hes right next to me.  Stuff dies way too fast in instances for wizards to get dps rolling while an enchanter is firing everything off at .5 - 1s spell casts most the time.  Half the instance stuff I hit debuff and the mob is dead before or just after 1 bolt of ice lol.  Don't try to justify dps in a heroic instance as to where wizards dps are in the overall big picture of the game, becaues its apples and oranges.You're lvl 72 assassin won't come close to my 80 wizard so the one you were with must have sucked.  Its meaningless but, I leave my parse on for instances.  My dps comes out anywhere between 3000 - 5000 in VoES/MC/CoA.  Perhaps wizard class isn't for you though and you will excel more at another class, GL.I just did a VP run of trash on wing 2 & 3 and did 6200.  Look mah no TC! <3 

[ailees]

<cite>thajoka wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just did a VP run of trash on wing 2 & 3 and did 6200. Look mah no TC! <3 </blockquote>Of course, now how MANY people are in VP2/3 ? 5% ? I was also speaking about raid, but from a <u>semi casual point of view</u>. You ain't.In casual guilds, even raiding VP 1st wing, I never saw a wizard able to parse like an assassin. This last one is always 30% or more better.

[DerFunkBlaster]

We did vp this weekend... split it into 2 days because we all hate the zone... but anyways... the second day which consisted of half of the 2nd area and the 3rd area, I ended up parsing around 6500 on the trash. The ranger was at 7900, and brigand at 7k. We lost our assasin but im sure he would have been at 8k easily..

[thajo]

<cite>ailees wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>thajoka wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just did a VP run of trash on wing 2 & 3 and did 6200. Look mah no TC! <3 </blockquote>Of course, now how MANY people are in VP2/3 ? 5% ? I was also speaking about raid, but from a <u>semi casual point of view</u>. You ain't.In casual guilds, even raiding VP 1st wing, I never saw a wizard able to parse like an assassin. This last one is always 30% or more better.</blockquote>We were smoking Kor-sha and I actually ended up just barley beating the assassin with a zonewide at 8800.  Assassins are powerful but, I just don't see them as this insanely overpowered force that people say they are.  Assassins should be ranting at wizards dropping their 120k manaburns.  Assassins are certainly arguely one of the best parsing classes in game though, as in many fights wizards could be too.  I joined a pickup raid in PR and was 2700dps over 2nd zonewide, granted it was a pre-VP guild hosting it, I was at about 5.8k in a 38k dps raid with a templar being the best buffer in my group.  Wizards certainly smash assassins with less quality gear than us, and equally geared ones seem to be with us or above depending how whos style the fight seems to learn towards.  Yes also in this pickup raid I saw wizards and warlocks getting zonewides of 1.5 - 2.5k.  I parsed 3k in EoF so I really think the problem lies elsewhere beyond the class.....

[Tommara]

<cite>Jablambo@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>All I know is since about level 25 i've been soloing yellow triple up heroics with ease. Never been able to do that with my other toons no matter how decked out they are. If that isn't power I don't know what is.</blockquote><p>All I know is that my ranger is uber at level 56.</p><p>Doesn't mean squat at level 80, which is a different game than what I'm playing now.  Not one I have any interest in playing either.  Because it <b><u>is</u></b> a lot different.</p>

[thajo]

<cite>Tommara wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jablambo@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>All I know is since about level 25 i've been soloing yellow triple up heroics with ease. Never been able to do that with my other toons no matter how decked out they are. If that isn't power I don't know what is.</blockquote><p>All I know is that my ranger is uber at level 56.</p><p>Doesn't mean squat at level 80, which is a different game than what I'm playing now.  Not one I have any interest in playing either.  Because it <b><u>is</u></b> a lot different.</p></blockquote>You're right.  Their wizard will only get more powerful because by 80 they will have 2 roots with longer durations and actually be capable of locking down 2 - 4 heroics and solo'ing them all at once.  Wizards rock norrath, just the way it is.

[Fendaria]

<cite>thajoka wrote:</cite><blockquote>You are comparing heroic instances where mobs die soooo fast to people talking about wizards raid DPS.  I do RE2 with our coerc all the time and hes right next to me.  Stuff dies way too fast in instances for wizards to get dps rolling while an enchanter is firing everything off at .5 - 1s spell casts most the time.  Half the instance stuff I hit debuff and the mob is dead before or just after 1 bolt of ice lol.  Don't try to justify dps in a heroic instance as to where wizards dps are in the overall big picture of the game, becaues its apples and oranges.</blockquote>This is very true.  However....I have to ask why?Predators/Rogues can front load damage and still do very well for long duration fights.  Enchanters do pretty decently with short duration fights and well with the longer duration fights.Even on raids, most trash dies to quickly for sorcerers do realy get 'rolling'.These fights may be 'quick', but they are the majority of the fights that players do.  I'll be generous and guess 75% of the fights fall into this category.I have to as myself why?  The devs cant figure out how to let us to quick damage?Lets fix this situation....Give us an AA or spell that causes our next spell to be insta-cast.Change the 'force your next spell to crit' AA to be a 'force your next spell to double' AA.Create a new spell, castable only out of combat, that procs once on the tank's next attack, and casts ice comet or something on it.  And like the ice shield, they tank gets the hate, we get the damage.Give us a buff where if we get the killing blow, we proc a temporary +25% base damage buff (non-stacking).Give us a buff where if our last spell landed, our next spell is 5% harder to resist, and let it be cumulative.  So after 10 spells we'd be up around 50% harder to resist.  (Not sure what the % should be).Give us a buff that quadruples the amout of +spell damage we have for the next spell cast (basically maxes it out).All of these should help us do more quick damage in the short duration fights.Fendaria

[Rocc]

<p>I agree with the OP. No other class should be able to out dps the garbage bag wearing wizards and warlocks. After that the other casters should be out dpsing any scout because they wear garbage bags for a reason. Secondly, no tank should out dps a scout. This game got all screwy and that was one of the reasons I left in the first place. Just back on the Living Legacy thing but this thread is a reminder of one of my biggest gripes in EQ2 and the reason I left in the first place.</p><p>Casters in garbage bags - HIGH DPS</p><p>Scouts in medium armor - MEDIUM DPS</p><p>Tanks in heavy armor - LOW DPS</p><p>!!!!!!!</p>