Interview with the EverScout

[ClawHammr]

<p>Claw: Do you feel your class is challenging to play?</p><p>EverScout: Yeah I do. My goal is to win each fight in under 1.5 seconds and it is challenging to do that. Well, sometimes it is.</p><p>Claw:  Do you feel your class is OverPowered?</p><p>EverScout: Not really , why?</p><p>Claw: Stealth,Evac, Clock,Safehouse,multiple "IWIN" buttons...the list goes on</p><p>EverScout: No comment, next question please.</p><p>Claw: I really need you to answer.</p><p>EverScout: Um, well , have you noticed how OverPowered Swashys and Rangers are? Lets talk about that. They are the real problem in the game, not Brigands.</p><p>*EverScout did not want name given so is anonymous interview</p>

[-Arctura-]

(( If you want an eye opener, Roll a scout, pick Trouby, Dirge or Assassin. Play them to 80 and PvP a while.Then come back and share with us how overpowered those classes are 8-)Until that time, you might as well substitute Everscout with Swashy/Brigand/Ranger =PYou don't see us bashing necros for having manashield and manaburn... just because they are abilities that other mages have...  o.O =P Comparatively, you don't see Bards or Assassins killing people in 1.5 seconds... assassins take atleast 2-7 seconds to kill someone, and bards maybe longer =P---<img src="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g69/Arctura000/Skree-sig2008a.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Natthan]

<cite>-Arctura- wrote:</cite><blockquote><b>(( If you want an eye opener, Roll a scout, pick Trouby, Dirge or Assassin. Play them to 80 and PvP a while.Then come back and share with us how overpowered those classes are 8-)</b>Until that time, you might as well substitute Everscout with Swashy/Brigand/Ranger =PYou don't see us bashing necros for having manashield and manaburn... just because they are abilities that other mages have...  o.O =P Comparatively, you don't see Bards or Assassins killing people in 1.5 seconds... assassins take atleast 2-7 seconds to kill someone, and bards maybe longer =P</blockquote>Your clumping of Assassins with bards makes me laugh, If you have a hard time playing your class I would consult someone in the same class that you know knows what he/she is doing and consult your class forums!

[Shadow_Viper]

<cite>ClawHammr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Claw: Do you feel your class is challenging to play?</p><p>EverScout: Yeah I do. My goal is to win each fight in under 1.5 seconds and it is challenging to do that. Well, sometimes it is.</p><p>Claw:  Do you feel your class is OverPowered?</p><p>EverScout: Not really , why?</p><p>Claw: Stealth,Evac, multiple "IWIN" buttons...the list goes on</p><p>EverScout: No comment, next question please.</p><p>*EverScout did not want name given so is anonymous interview</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/forums/list.m?category_id=41" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...?category_id=41</a></p><p>The class boards are a great resource of information, especially in regards to combating other classes.</p>

[ClawHammr]

I can has LifeBurn AND Manashield?  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Faenril]

<cite>-Arctura- wrote:</cite><blockquote>You don't see us bashing necros for having manashield and manaburn... </blockquote>Maybe because they don't have manashield ?

[-Arctura-]

<cite>Natthan@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Your clumping of Assassins with bards makes me laugh, If you have a hard time playing your class I would consult someone in the same class that you know knows what he/she is doing and consult your class forums!</blockquote>(( had I a hard time about my class in the forums, it would be worded more along the lines of "My class is broken", "I cant play my class", "I need help playing my class" or even "Im having a hard time playing my class".Instead, I was making a comment about how Bards and Assassins have to <i>work harder </i>for their kills rather than let <i>auto-attack</i>+ procs do the damage for them, like other scout classes can do in certain cases =P and in mentioning such, correcting the aforementioned blanket statement that all scouts kill their targets in 1.5 seconds or less. (It's a well known fact that 'sassins actually have to push atleast 6-7 buttons to win... as opposed to 2-5 like other scouts =P) People's failure to interpret sarcasm makes <b><i>ME</i></b> laugh. =P*tries to amuse YOU with Obscure Sarcasm, but misses!* *confounds YOU for 130 points of mental damage!* hehe ^____^<cite>AerieHeart@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><span class="postbody">Maybe because they don't have manashield ?</span></blockquote>(I mentioned that because I <i>know</i> necros dont have manashield and manaburn, in the same way that the OP said ALL scouts kill ALL targets in 1.5seconds or less, when only certain scout classes can do so regularily =p.)---<img src="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g69/Arctura000/Skree-sig2008a.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Faenril]

<cite>-Arctura- wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><cite></cite><blockquote><cite></cite><span class="postbody">Maybe because they don't have manashield ?</span></blockquote>(I mentioned that because I <i>know</i> necros dont have manashield and manaburn, in the same way that the OP said ALL scouts kill ALL targets in 1.5seconds or less, when only certain scout classes can do so regularily =p.)</blockquote>/nodMy doctor told me I should not post so early in the morning before I got at least 3 or 4 coffee and feel well awoken <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[BladeLo]

Well as a 27 Brigand I must be a [Removed for Content].  No I am a [Removed for Content] when it comes to pvp.  I have yet to kill much of anyone in pvp.  I lost to a blue wizard because he was hitting me for 200 and 300 points and when I looked back at the combat log I was hitting him for 58 and 42 points.  I have lost to troubs and dirges.  My overpowered Brigand seems to do very little damage at all.  So perhaps people would share with me how a brigand is so uber.  I know it must be true but I am clueless on my Brigand who is in all adept 1's has mastercrafted leather armor and +5 hex dolls as well as the jewels from Timorous deep at level 27 right now.I get slaughtered by people with titles while my hits are literally insignificant.  Yes I have all my buffs on.  Yes Im using poisons.  Yes Im using warding ebbs.  And yes my Brigand hits like a sissy with non Mastercrafted but player made dual wield weapons.Someone splain to me why everyone else is more uber then my Brigand.  Lets forget Im not a very good pvp'er.  Thats a granted.  But when I do hit the other player my big attacks are for small hits.I once found a qeynos blue hunter on the griffon and I began wailing away on him. Turns out he must have been frozen up or afk as he never fought back so I had a free kill.  However, I Never knocked him down and it took me like 20 to 25 seconds to kill him.  Looking at the log my attacks were laughable.  6 points, 12 points, 25 points.............where are these I win buttons.I WANT THEM.

[Brimestar]

<cite>BladeLore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well as a 27 Brigand I must be a [Removed for Content].  No I am a [Removed for Content] when it comes to pvp.  I have yet to kill much of anyone in pvp.  I lost to a blue wizard because he was hitting me for 200 and 300 points and when I looked back at the combat log I was hitting him for 58 and 42 points.  I have lost to troubs and dirges.  My overpowered Brigand seems to do very little damage at all.  So perhaps people would share with me how a brigand is so uber.  I know it must be true but I am clueless on my Brigand who is in all adept 1's has mastercrafted leather armor and +5 hex dolls as well as the jewels from Timorous deep at level 27 right now.I get slaughtered by people with titles while my hits are literally insignificant.  Yes I have all my buffs on.  Yes Im using poisons.  Yes Im using warding ebbs.  And yes my Brigand hits like a sissy with non Mastercrafted but player made dual wield weapons.Someone splain to me why everyone else is more uber then my Brigand.  Lets forget Im not a very good pvp'er.  Thats a granted.  But when I do hit the other player my big attacks are for small hits.I once found a qeynos blue hunter on the griffon and I began wailing away on him. Turns out he must have been frozen up or afk as he never fought back so I had a free kill.  However, I Never knocked him down and it took me like 20 to 25 seconds to kill him.  Looking at the log my attacks were laughable.  6 points, 12 points, 25 points.............where are these I win buttons.I WANT THEM.</blockquote>Try upgrading your armor and perhaps get out of the App 1 area of spells.

[Bloodfa]

<p>Huh.  I guess another Scout class took your coin again, Claw?  If you're going to start another thread every time a Scout beats you, I'd suggest asking for your own personal section, because it's going to have a lot of submissions.  Did he steal many plat again? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </p><p>Bladelore, some insight into what grade CA's you're using would help (App II or Adept III).  And, if you're sincere about wondering what you might need to do, you might think about posting your toon's name so you can get some advice on gear and/or AP's.  Wizards ain't no joke in PvP (sorry about the double negative implying they are, because they aren't).  Single target damage.  Probably Manashield.  And cheap materials to make Adept III's.  Some nice defensive damage.  Throw on some good gear, and yeah, they can dish out some surprise "Huh, how'd I die that fast?" moments.</p>

[BladeLo]

BrimestarWith respects did you read my post?I am in all adept 1's including 2 adept 3's.I am in mastercrafted level 22 armor and have the jewels from TD which are better then MC jewels for level 22.  I use poisons and warding ebbs.What I think makes a brigand uber is tactics.For example they have stuns, knockbacks, interrupts and then they run outta hits....so then you have to run around, waste time until your spells are up again and then start over with your stuns, knockdowns, interrupts and two or three target shifts.  However what I am noticing is that the players that I attack seem totally unaffected by this and my hits which say 150-225 damage do 45 to 50 points on a pvp opponent.

[Izzypop]

<cite>BladeLore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Brimemaster With respects did you read my post?I am in all adept 1's including 2 adept 3's.<span style="color: #ff0000;">Good twinks are all master 1's including 2 adept 3's</span>I am in mastercrafted level 22 armor and have the jewels from TD which are better then MC jewels for level 22.  I use poisons and warding ebbs.What I think makes a brigand uber is tactics.For example they have stuns, knockbacks, interrupts and then they run outta hits....so then you have to run around, waste time until your spells are up again and then start over with your stuns, knockdowns, interrupts and two or three target shifts.  However what I am noticing is that the players that I attack seem totally unaffected by this and my hits which say 150-225 damage do 45 to 50 points on a pvp opponent.</blockquote>It sounds like you're outgeared and fighting more experienced players.  If you are getting killed a lot it also sounds like you have not learned how to hug your evak button.Overpowered classes change at higher tiers.  At low tiers like yours some classes become very powerful at  certain levels such as a fury at 24.  Once a brigand hits 39 the class becomes easymode with 3 steps to their "uber tactics"Step 1  Activate Ruthless Cunning & DeceitStep 2  Smash buttonsStep 3  WinBy tier 8 class the class is utterly broken.Open the fight with a 6 second stunDispatched reduces plate tanks to cloth protection.Safehouse provides a 2nd evak on a 90 second timer.You just can't defend how overpowered brigands are in tier8 with tier 3 input.

[Hummelch]

<cite>Izzypop wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>BladeLore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Brimemaster With respects did you read my post?I am in all adept 1's including 2 adept 3's.<span style="color: #ff0000;">Good twinks are all master 1's including 2 adept 3's</span>I am in mastercrafted level 22 armor and have the jewels from TD which are better then MC jewels for level 22.  I use poisons and warding ebbs.What I think makes a brigand uber is tactics.For example they have stuns, knockbacks, interrupts and then they run outta hits....so then you have to run around, waste time until your spells are up again and then start over with your stuns, knockdowns, interrupts and two or three target shifts.  However what I am noticing is that the players that I attack seem totally unaffected by this and my hits which say 150-225 damage do 45 to 50 points on a pvp opponent.</blockquote>It sounds like you're outgeared and fighting more experienced players.  If you are getting killed a lot it also sounds like you have not learned how to hug your evak button.Overpowered classes change at higher tiers.  At low tiers like yours some classes become very powerful at  certain levels such as a fury at 24.  Once a brigand hits 39 the class becomes easymode with 3 steps to their "uber tactics"Step 1  Activate Ruthless Cunning & DeceitStep 2  Smash buttonsStep 3  WinBy tier 8 class the class is utterly broken.Open the fight with a 6 second stunDispatched reduces plate tanks to cloth protection.Safehouse provides a 2nd evak on a 90 second timer.You just can't defend how overpowered brigands are in tier8 with tier 3 input.</blockquote>6 second stun hahahahah!!!Brigands longest stun is only 2 seconds and can be enhanced by aas for another 0.2 seconds making it a 2.2 second stun, go go 6 second stun lolol.

[Izzypop]

<cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Izzypop wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>BladeLore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Brimemaster With respects did you read my post?I am in all adept 1's including 2 adept 3's.<span style="color: #ff0000;">Good twinks are all master 1's including 2 adept 3's</span>I am in mastercrafted level 22 armor and have the jewels from TD which are better then MC jewels for level 22.  I use poisons and warding ebbs.What I think makes a brigand uber is tactics.For example they have stuns, knockbacks, interrupts and then they run outta hits....so then you have to run around, waste time until your spells are up again and then start over with your stuns, knockdowns, interrupts and two or three target shifts.  However what I am noticing is that the players that I attack seem totally unaffected by this and my hits which say 150-225 damage do 45 to 50 points on a pvp opponent.</blockquote>It sounds like you're outgeared and fighting more experienced players.  If you are getting killed a lot it also sounds like you have not learned how to hug your evak button.Overpowered classes change at higher tiers.  At low tiers like yours some classes become very powerful at  certain levels such as a fury at 24.  Once a brigand hits 39 the class becomes easymode with 3 steps to their "uber tactics"Step 1  Activate Ruthless Cunning & DeceitStep 2  Smash buttonsStep 3  WinBy tier 8 class the class is utterly broken.Open the fight with a 6 second stunDispatched reduces plate tanks to cloth protection.Safehouse provides a 2nd evak on a 90 second timer.You just can't defend how overpowered brigands are in tier8 with tier 3 input.</blockquote>6 second stun hahahahah!!!Brigands longest stun is only 2 seconds and can be enhanced by aas for another 0.2 seconds making it a 2.2 second stun, go go 6 second stun lolol.</blockquote>Clock isn't a true "stun" but is just as effective as a true stun against any non healer.  It's still 6 seconds of damage immunity for the brigand to do their business that is not cured by a freedom of mind.

[Hummelch]

I fail to see how you can even TRY to compare a 6 second root to a 6 second stun, do you even have a slight idea how much of a difference that is? And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages and MAYBE priests. Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them. We should truly ignore people like you, who come here and spread lies arround like that. A 6 second stun that made my day.

[Sightless]

<cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I fail to see how you can even TRY to compare a 6 second root to a 6 second stun, do you even have a slight idea how much of a difference that is? And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages and MAYBE priests. Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them. We should truly ignore people like you, who come here and spread lies arround like that. A 6 second stun that made my day.</blockquote><p>You have a 2.5 second stun, I'll let you look for it.</p><p>As for clock not being that great, you're hilarious. No other class in the game can beat on a Brigand as hard as a Brigand can beat on them, WITHOUT CLOCK. Yet with Clock it allows you to stay on their back, so with Clock you're doing twice the damage to your opponent than they're doing to you. And your opponent can't get away. Clock is the BEST ROOT IN THE GAME, which doesn't break on damage. Unlike classes that NEED root, theirs break on the slightest damage.</p><p>Hummelchen you know the Brigand is overpowered, you even said so yourself before you decided you liked playing overpowered classes.</p>

[ClawHammr]

<cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Huh.  I guess another Scout class took your coin again, Claw?  If you're going to start another thread every time a Scout beats you, I'd suggest asking for your own personal section, because it's going to have a lot of submissions.  Did he steal many plat again? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />  </p></blockquote><p>No Ive learned to mail Gold to my Alt whenever I have that much on me. Questing in T8 can build up Gold fast so Im always at the mailbox. </p>

[Izzypop]

<cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I fail to see how you can even TRY to compare a 6 second root to a 6 second stun, do you even have a slight idea how much of a difference that is? <span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages</b> </span>and MAYBE priests. <b><span style="color: #ff0033;">Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them.</span> </b>We should truly ignore people like you, who come here and spread lies arround like that. A 6 second stun that made my day.</blockquote><p>You have a 2.5 second stun, I'll let you look for it.</p><p>As for clock not being that great, you're hilarious. No other class in the game can beat on a Brigand as hard as a Brigand can beat on them, WITHOUT CLOCK. Yet with Clock it allows you to stay on their back, so with Clock you're doing twice the damage to your opponent than they're doing to you. And your opponent can't get away. Clock is the BEST ROOT IN THE GAME, which doesn't break on damage. Unlike classes that NEED root, theirs break on the slightest damage.</p><p>Hummelchen you know the Brigand is overpowered, you even said so yourself before you decided you liked playing overpowered classes.</p></blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages</b> </span>Normal root=stuck in place but able to turn.Clock=Can't turnBrigand at your back and unable to turn=Unable to auto-attack brigand.<b><span style="color: #ff0033;">Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them.</span></b>A crappy brig can parse 2500 against anybody without breaking a sweat.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=851222120" target="_blank">Broncas</a> one of the top geared gaurds of the naggy12,346 unbuffed, less than 15k hp self buffed.  That's less than 6 seconds against a brigand.Brigands are the best burst PvP dps in tier8.  The only real defense they have against people pointing out that brigs are overpowered is to point out how overpowered rangers & swashbucklers are and try to confuse people who is #1.Hummelchen is playing a brig in t3.  We are telling him what brigs are like in t8 and he's calling us noobs.

[ClawHammr]

<cite>Izzypop wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I fail to see how you can even TRY to compare a 6 second root to a 6 second stun, do you even have a slight idea how much of a difference that is? <span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages</b> </span>and MAYBE priests. <b><span style="color: #ff0033;">Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them.</span> </b>We should truly ignore people like you, who come here and spread lies arround like that. A 6 second stun that made my day.</blockquote><p>You have a 2.5 second stun, I'll let you look for it.</p><p>As for clock not being that great, you're hilarious. No other class in the game can beat on a Brigand as hard as a Brigand can beat on them, WITHOUT CLOCK. Yet with Clock it allows you to stay on their back, so with Clock you're doing twice the damage to your opponent than they're doing to you. And your opponent can't get away. Clock is the BEST ROOT IN THE GAME, which doesn't break on damage. Unlike classes that NEED root, theirs break on the slightest damage.</p><p>Hummelchen you know the Brigand is overpowered, you even said so yourself before you decided you liked playing overpowered classes.</p></blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages</b> </span>Normal root=stuck in place but able to turn.Clock=Can't turnBrigand at your back and unable to turn=Unable to auto-attack brigand.<b><span style="color: #ff0033;">Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them.</span></b>A crappy brig can parse 2500 against anybody without breaking a sweat.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=851222120" target="_blank">Broncas</a> one of the top geared gaurds of the naggy12,346 unbuffed, less than 15k hp self buffed.  That's less than 6 seconds against a brigand.Brigands are the best burst PvP dps in tier8.  The only real defense they have against people pointing out that brigs are overpowered is to point out how overpowered rangers & swashbucklers are and try to confuse people who is #1.Hummelchen is playing a brig in t3.  We are telling him what brigs are like in t8 and he's calling us noobs.</blockquote><p>I think my Scout Pet needs Clock too</p><p>Devs can we get Clock added to the Necro AAs for the Scout Pet ?</p><p>Give these OverPowered Brigands a taste of their own medicine</p>

[Hummelch]

<cite>Izzypop wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I fail to see how you can even TRY to compare a 6 second root to a 6 second stun, do you even have a slight idea how much of a difference that is? <span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages</b> </span>and MAYBE priests. <b><span style="color: #ff0033;">Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them.</span> </b>We should truly ignore people like you, who come here and spread lies arround like that. A 6 second stun that made my day.</blockquote><p>You have a 2.5 second stun, I'll let you look for it.</p><p>As for clock not being that great, you're hilarious. No other class in the game can beat on a Brigand as hard as a Brigand can beat on them, WITHOUT CLOCK. Yet with Clock it allows you to stay on their back, so with Clock you're doing twice the damage to your opponent than they're doing to you. And your opponent can't get away. Clock is the BEST ROOT IN THE GAME, which doesn't break on damage. Unlike classes that NEED root, theirs break on the slightest damage.</p><p>Hummelchen you know the Brigand is overpowered, you even said so yourself before you decided you liked playing overpowered classes.</p></blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages</b> </span>Normal root=stuck in place but able to turn.Clock=Can't turnBrigand at your back and unable to turn=Unable to auto-attack brigand.<b><span style="color: #ff0033;">Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them.</span></b>A crappy brig can parse 2500 against anybody without breaking a sweat.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=851222120" target="_blank">Broncas</a> one of the top geared gaurds of the naggy12,346 unbuffed, less than 15k hp self buffed.  That's less than 6 seconds against a brigand.Brigands are the best burst PvP dps in tier8.  The only real defense they have against people pointing out that brigs are overpowered is to point out how overpowered rangers & swashbucklers are and try to confuse people who is #1.Hummelchen is playing a brig in t3.  We are telling him what brigs are like in t8 and he's calling us noobs.</blockquote><p>So a lvl 80 brigand parsed 2.5k dps on a green cloth wearing mage and now you are trying to tell us any brigand can kill a 12.3k guardian in 6 seconds? Sorry man, i cant take you any serious at all. You are not considering mitigation, you are not considering avoidance and most important you are not considering player skills. Anyone who gets rooted by a brigand can counter their attacks. You can use any combat arts, you can use any potion, you can use detaunts and stuns. Would you explain me, how i went and attacked a warden and a brigand who clocked, stunned and dispatched me and i still killed both 1 vs 2 ? Im sure you can explain that. And dont even try to deny it, as you can cleary see that fight in my pvp video.</p><p>I will forgive you calling me a T3 brigand</p>

[ClawHammr]

<cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Izzypop wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I fail to see how you can even TRY to compare a 6 second root to a 6 second stun, do you even have a slight idea how much of a difference that is? <span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages</b> </span>and MAYBE priests. <b><span style="color: #ff0033;">Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them.</span> </b>We should truly ignore people like you, who come here and spread lies arround like that. A 6 second stun that made my day.</blockquote><p>You have a 2.5 second stun, I'll let you look for it.</p><p>As for clock not being that great, you're hilarious. No other class in the game can beat on a Brigand as hard as a Brigand can beat on them, WITHOUT CLOCK. Yet with Clock it allows you to stay on their back, so with Clock you're doing twice the damage to your opponent than they're doing to you. And your opponent can't get away. Clock is the BEST ROOT IN THE GAME, which doesn't break on damage. Unlike classes that NEED root, theirs break on the slightest damage.</p><p>Hummelchen you know the Brigand is overpowered, you even said so yourself before you decided you liked playing overpowered classes.</p></blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages</b> </span>Normal root=stuck in place but able to turn.Clock=Can't turnBrigand at your back and unable to turn=Unable to auto-attack brigand.<b><span style="color: #ff0033;">Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them.</span></b>A crappy brig can parse 2500 against anybody without breaking a sweat.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=851222120" target="_blank">Broncas</a> one of the top geared gaurds of the naggy12,346 unbuffed, less than 15k hp self buffed.  That's less than 6 seconds against a brigand.Brigands are the best burst PvP dps in tier8.  The only real defense they have against people pointing out that brigs are overpowered is to point out how overpowered rangers & swashbucklers are and try to confuse people who is #1.Hummelchen is playing a brig in t3.  We are telling him what brigs are like in t8 and he's calling us noobs.</blockquote><p>So a lvl 80 brigand parsed 2.5k dps on a green cloth wearing mage and now you are trying to tell us any brigand can kill a 12.3k guardian in 6 seconds? Sorry man, i cant take you any serious at all. You are not considering mitigation, you are not considering avoidance and most important you are not considering player skills. Anyone who gets rooted by a brigand can counter their attacks. You can use any combat arts, you can use any potion, you can use detaunts and stuns. Would you explain me, how i went and attacked a warden and a brigand who clocked, stunned and dispatched me and i still killed both 1 vs 2 ? Im sure you can explain that. And dont even try to deny it, as you can cleary see that fight in my pvp video.</p><p>I will forgive you calling me a T3 brigand</p></blockquote><p>Hummelchen,</p><p>  Clearly you are a GrandMaster Brigand so can you advise me how as a Necro I can counter a Brigands root ? A Potion you say ?  I will see if I can find that potion within the 2 seconds I am still alive.</p>

[Spyderbite]

<cite>ClawHammr wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Give these OverPowered Brigands a taste of their own medicine</p></blockquote>Or you could just make friends. 3 of my 7 toons are rogues. My assassin and dirge don't really count since they hardly have the firepower of my brigand.However, I rarely.. <b>very rarely</b> win any of my fights because its usually 3-6 vs. Me. Solo PvP dictates that you simply avoid the classes you can't beat or haven't yet figured out how to beat. Sounds like you need to steer clear of brigands much like I avoid rangers. Its not that rangers are overpowered. Its that I haven't yet figured out a way to keep them from bouncing all over my screen and landing a hit.Don't mean this to sound like a L2P.. but.. well.. yah. And, I do realize you're talking about T7/T8 and I'm comparing T3, T4 & T6.. but calling "Nerf!" may make you happy at End Game.. but try to keep in mind the impact it will have on us folks who are in no hurry to get there yet.

[goldfeesh641]

<cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I fail to see how you can even TRY to compare a 6 second root to a 6 second stun, do you even have a slight idea how much of a difference that is? And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages and MAYBE priests. Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them. We should truly ignore people like you, who come here and spread lies arround like that. A 6 second stun that made my day.</blockquote>Just to point out that Walk the Plank + Clock is pretty much a very long stun, considering you get no raised chance of avoiding a stun following it...On my 80 brig (PvE, I can't stand playing baddies PvP, it makes me feel bad about myself whenever I kill someone) (and yes, I know PvE doesn't quite equal PvP for timers and whatnot) I can keep a solo mob not hitting me for about the first 15 seconds of a fight with Walk the Plank + Battery and Assault + Clock + Dispatch + Enfeeblement + Double Up + Cheap Shot + Jagged Blade + Roughen + Stunning Blow...  Great order to do it in, though I fear I'm going to get ganked with it now...

[Sightless]

<cite>goldfeesh641 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I fail to see how you can even TRY to compare a 6 second root to a 6 second stun, do you even have a slight idea how much of a difference that is? And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages and MAYBE priests. Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them. We should truly ignore people like you, who come here and spread lies arround like that. A 6 second stun that made my day.</blockquote>Just to point out that Walk the Plank + Clock is pretty much a very long stun, considering you get no raised chance of avoiding a stun following it...On my 80 brig (PvE, I can't stand playing baddies PvP, it makes me feel bad about myself whenever I kill someone) (and yes, I know PvE doesn't quite equal PvP for timers and whatnot) I can keep a solo mob not hitting me for about the first 15 seconds of a fight with Walk the Plank + Battery and Assault + Clock + Dispatch + Enfeeblement + Double Up + Cheap Shot + Jagged Blade + Roughen + Stunning Blow...  Great order to do it in, though I fear I'm going to get ganked with it now...</blockquote><p>Hummelchen is the only Brigand who will not admit he has an edge, and that the class is easy to play.</p><p>He tells you to cure Clock, but Cure Trauma doesn't always remove Clock because it removes some of the other trauma effects, and if you use Freedom of Action to remove Clock, you die before the stun wears off because you didn't use Freedom of Mind. He's just being foolish to suggest Clock is easy to remove. He points out ONE FIGHT where he fought against a Brigand and used both a Freedom of Mind potion, and a root immunity from faction merchants, or vice versa, I don't know which he used. BUT NO OTHER CLASS IN THE GAME SHOULD BE REQURIED TO USE FACTION CLICKABLES TO COMPETE!!!</p>

[Izzypop]

<cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Izzypop wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I fail to see how you can even TRY to compare a 6 second root to a 6 second stun, do you even have a slight idea how much of a difference that is? <span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages</b> </span>and MAYBE priests. <b><span style="color: #ff0033;">Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them.</span> </b>We should truly ignore people like you, who come here and spread lies arround like that. A 6 second stun that made my day.</blockquote><p>You have a 2.5 second stun, I'll let you look for it.</p><p>As for clock not being that great, you're hilarious. No other class in the game can beat on a Brigand as hard as a Brigand can beat on them, WITHOUT CLOCK. Yet with Clock it allows you to stay on their back, so with Clock you're doing twice the damage to your opponent than they're doing to you. And your opponent can't get away. Clock is the BEST ROOT IN THE GAME, which doesn't break on damage. Unlike classes that NEED root, theirs break on the slightest damage.</p><p>Hummelchen you know the Brigand is overpowered, you even said so yourself before you decided you liked playing overpowered classes.</p></blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>And i fail to see how clock is gonna help against any non mages</b> </span>Normal root=stuck in place but able to turn.Clock=Can't turnBrigand at your back and unable to turn=Unable to auto-attack brigand.<b><span style="color: #ff0033;">Any other class can beat on the brigand like the brigand can beat on them.</span></b>A crappy brig can parse 2500 against anybody without breaking a sweat.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=851222120" target="_blank">Broncas</a> one of the top geared gaurds of the naggy12,346 unbuffed, less than 15k hp self buffed.  That's less than 6 seconds against a brigand.Brigands are the best burst PvP dps in tier8.  The only real defense they have against people pointing out that brigs are overpowered is to point out how overpowered rangers & swashbucklers are and try to confuse people who is #1.Hummelchen is playing a brig in t3.  We are telling him what brigs are like in t8 and he's calling us noobs.</blockquote><p>So a lvl 80 brigand parsed 2.5k dps on a green cloth wearing mage and now you are trying to tell us any brigand can kill a 12.3k guardian in 6 seconds? <span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color: #ffff00;">No level 80 brigands parse 2.5k on level 80 plate tanks after they are dispatched.  A green mage will drop in about 2 seconds from a level 80 brig with short terms up, but it's not even worth turning them on against a green</span> <span style="color: #ffff00;">clothie.</span> </span> Sorry man, i cant take you any serious at all. You are not considering mitigation <span style="color: #ffff00;">What mitigation?  After dispatched plate tanks don't have any mitigation to speak of</span>, you are not considering avoidance and most important you are not considering player skills <span style="color: #ffff00;">Turn on short terms and open with a combination of clock,stun,doubleup, and dispatched.  If the fight doesn't look good from the start safehouse instead.  What skills are you talking about?</span>. Anyone who gets rooted by a brigand can counter their attacks. You can use any combat arts, you can use any potion <span style="color: #ffff00;">Any decent brig should be able to parse 2.5k against another player so there is hardly time to pop 2 potions in a fight.</span>, you can use detaunts and stuns. Would you explain me, how i went and attacked a warden and a brigand who clocked, stunned and dispatched me and i still killed both 1 vs 2 ?<span style="color: #ff3300;"> <span style="color: #ffff00;">What class are you talking about that can do this at level 80 against 2 other level 80s without catching them completely off guard or dropping some kind of cheap miracle?</span> </span> Im sure you can explain that. And dont even try to deny it, as you can cleary see that fight in my pvp video. <span style="color: #ff6600;"> <span style="color: #ffff00;">Ummm no.  </span></span><span style="color: #ffff00;">Seeing as how I already mixed you up with a tier 3 brig it should be obvious I have no idea who you are and have never seen your pvp video but by all means provide a link to show how easy it is to take down an 80 brig and warden while solo.  There are a few cases where I can seen events like this happen, but they are rare occasions that usually involve gross player errors on the part of the duo.</span></p><p>I will forgive you calling me a T3 brigand  <span style="color: #ffff00;">My bad I got you mixed up with a different poster, but it really doesn't sound like you are even talking about tier 8.   I don't know any brigand warden duos that are terrible enough players to consistently loose fights against a solo at level 80.</span></p></blockquote>

[ClawHammr]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ClawHammr wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Give these OverPowered Brigands a taste of their own medicine</p></blockquote>Or you could just make friends. 3 of my 7 toons are rogues. My assassin and dirge don't really count since they hardly have the firepower of my brigand.However, I rarely.. <b>very rarely</b> win any of my fights because its usually 3-6 vs. Me. Solo PvP dictates that you simply avoid the classes you can't beat or haven't yet figured out how to beat. Sounds like you need to steer clear of brigands much like I avoid rangers. Its not that rangers are overpowered. Its that I haven't yet figured out a way to keep them from bouncing all over my screen and landing a hit.Don't mean this to sound like a L2P.. but.. well.. yah. And, I do realize you're talking about T7/T8 and I'm comparing T3, T4 & T6.. but calling "Nerf!" may make you happy at End Game.. but try to keep in mind the impact it will have on us folks who are in no hurry to get there yet.</blockquote><p>Not much you can do to "avoid " the classes you cannot beat when they are camped at the Sokokar waiting for you to land, and you are dead before you know what happened.</p><p>The Sokokars are different from the Griffons too. Even if you realize you are being ambushed and attempt to fly away, it takes time because there is a delay unlike the Griffon Posts. You have to "Use Post" which takes about 2 seconds and THEN you can select your destination. Much faster to jump on a Griffon and take off. This delay on the Sokokars will results in  your death many times as you will learn once you reach T8.</p><p>Have fun <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Sightless]

<p>Izzypop</p><p>Hummelchen, aka Darkor/Ajjantis was saying in our good chat (on his low level alt, on another account) earlier that a Guardian has an easier time getting off the AA belly smash, than a Brigand does getting off dispatch. He also said Belly Smash was better than Dispatch.</p>

[-Arctura-]

(( I thought Hummelchan was Ajjantis aka Darkor (t8 overseer brig on Venekor)... ?   Someone mentioned he was T3?  (or am I hallucinating again >&lt<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  ---<img src="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g69/Arctura000/Skree-sig2008a.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Izzypop]

That was me, he jumped in after a response to the tier 3 guy and I mistook it for a response from the tier 3 guy.Furthermore I have been schooled by him and I stand corrected.  If a t8 brig can beat a t8 brig then obviously that there is no class imbalance as he can beat brigs.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>ClawHammr wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>This delay on the Sokokars will results in  your death many times as you will learn once you reach T8.</p><p>Have fun <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></p></blockquote>Well luckily then, I didn't race to "End Game" and don't have to worry about such things. But, on that note.. stop making demands and requests that effect us negatively in the lower tiers. Especially, since you could care less about anything other than your class, your level, your tier and your issues.Other people play this game too. Something to keep in mind when you hit that Submit button with your latest Pulizer Prize winning idea to fix EQ2.

[-Arctura-]

<cite>Izzypop wrote:</cite><blockquote>  If a t8 brig can beat a t8 brig then obviously that there is no class imbalance as he can beat brigs.</blockquote>(( hehe /agree. classes that can only be destroyed by raids or other same-classes is totally fine 8-)---<img src="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g69/Arctura000/Skree-sig2008a.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[zorbdan]

Scouts aren't overpowered as long as you are grouped with one? I think I might have to try out this solution.

[Kurindor_Mythecnea]

<cite>ClawHammr wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ClawHammr wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Give these OverPowered Brigands a taste of their own medicine</p></blockquote>Or you could just make friends. 3 of my 7 toons are rogues. My assassin and dirge don't really count since they hardly have the firepower of my brigand.However, I rarely.. <b>very rarely</b> win any of my fights because its usually 3-6 vs. Me. Solo PvP dictates that you simply avoid the classes you can't beat or haven't yet figured out how to beat. Sounds like you need to steer clear of brigands much like I avoid rangers. Its not that rangers are overpowered. Its that I haven't yet figured out a way to keep them from bouncing all over my screen and landing a hit.Don't mean this to sound like a L2P.. but.. well.. yah. And, I do realize you're talking about T7/T8 and I'm comparing T3, T4 & T6.. but calling "Nerf!" may make you happy at End Game.. but try to keep in mind the impact it will have on us folks who are in no hurry to get there yet.</blockquote><p>Not much you can do to "avoid " the classes you cannot beat when they are camped at the Sokokar waiting for you to land, and you are dead before you know what happened.</p><p>The Sokokars are different from the Griffons too. Even if you realize you are being ambushed and attempt to fly away, it takes time because there is a delay unlike the Griffon Posts. You have to "Use Post" which takes about 2 seconds and THEN you can select your destination. Much faster to jump on a Griffon and take off. This delay on the Sokokars will results in  your death many times as you will learn once you reach T8.</p><p>Have fun <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote><span style="color: #ffff00;">Good insight on a tad of top tier. lol. Frsrs!</span>

[Guld_Ulrish]

As a necro Clawhammer I sugest that you dont alow your char to be hit by clock. And if you get hit, use taunt and then a pot, or taunt and stun.

[Elephanton]

<p>Sure may be it is not entirely true that brigand has 6 sec stun, but it is true that it can keep any class "stunned" for first 6 seconds of fight.</p><p>Also I am not sure why no one mentions their overpowered 10sec taunt which strips down most of the buffs right away.Shaman's scourge can remove most buffs from one cast in T2, but in T8 it can remove 2-3 buffs max if you are very lucky - and it has 1 minute recast. Brig's taunt goes in the opposite direction and becomes insanely overpowered in T8, removing half of the buffs in one cast - and hey it has only 10 sec recast.</p><p>P.S. All swashys I know are betraying to brigs as I write this. Anyone needs any other proofs that brigs are completely overpowered in their current state?</p>

[Darkor]

<cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sure may be it is not entirely true that brigand has 6 sec stun, but it is true that it can keep any class "stunned" for first 6 seconds of fight.</p><p>Also I am not sure why no one mentions their overpowered 10sec taunt which strips down most of the buffs right away.Shaman's scourge can remove most buffs from one cast in T2, but in T8 it can remove 2-3 buffs max if you are very lucky - and it has 1 minute recast. Brig's taunt goes in the opposite direction and becomes insanely overpowered in T8, removing half of the buffs in one cast - and hey it has only 10 sec recast.</p><p>P.S. All swashys I know are betraying to brigs as I write this. Anyone needs any other proofs that brigs are completely overpowered in their current state?</p></blockquote>No brigand can keep anyone stunned for the first 6 second of the fight. The longest stun is about 2.2 seconds, you gain immunity immeaditly after that.The taunt doesnt strip "most" of the buffs. It gets resisted alot and if it doesnt get resisted, it usually removes 1-2 buffs.I know atleast 2 general brigands on my friend list that went swashbuckler but have yet to see a Q brigand.We had a 5 vs 5 yesterday, and our swashbuckler pulled more than 1k dps in a 3-4 minut fight, he was above our warlock.Your post couldnt have more false statements <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bloodfa]

<p>Maybe that's on Venekor.  Nagafen has more than a few Brigs in Qeynos now.  Why a Brig would switch to Swash, after Reach was removed from PvP, I just don't understand (strictly looking at it PvP-wise).  Me, I'm stubborn, I've always liked being a Swashy.  The upside is I made a killing on Silicate loams. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </p><p>Also just want to point out, the number of people that are going to make the switch may change, depending on how many tokens or replacement gear they get, due to not wanting to sacrifice PvP gear.</p>

[Faenril]

<cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>No brigand can keep anyone stunned for the first 6 second of the fight. The longest stun is about 2.2 seconds, you gain immunity immeaditly after that....We had a 5 vs 5 yesterday, and our swashbuckler pulled more than 1k dps in a 3-4 minut fight, he was above our warlock.</blockquote>Technically a brig can not stun lock...But the brig will stun you, then probably root you (or the other way around), and somewhere in the process a stiffle will proc, keeping you shutdown for much longer than the initial stun duration. If you are unlucky when stun wears off some detaunt procced and left you unable to retarget before you are allowed to.So while brigs can't stun lock, if you don't come up with some sort of CC immunity your efficient time window against a brig is pretty short.But you know it I wonder why I bother actually...

[Faenril]

And get another warlock too.

[Paikis]

If you have a swashbuckler o utDPSing a warlock in a 5v5, you need to get a better warlock, or keep him alive longer. Only class that should out-DPS a warlock in group v group fights is a coercer.

[Azekah1]

<cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>No brigand can keep anyone stunned for the first 6 second of the fight.</blockquote>Not sure how it happened, but a lvl 36 brig did it to me on my swashy before.We were in a 1v1 and he engaged first and had me locked down the whole fight (which was only about 6 seconds). I finally broke and got in 1 or 2 ca's before I was dead.That was before I knew about Freedom potions <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Elephanton]

<cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sure may be it is not entirely true that brigand has 6 sec stun, but it is true that it can keep any class "stunned" for first 6 seconds of fight.</p><p>Also I am not sure why no one mentions their overpowered 10sec taunt which strips down most of the buffs right away.Shaman's scourge can remove most buffs from one cast in T2, but in T8 it can remove 2-3 buffs max if you are very lucky - and it has 1 minute recast. Brig's taunt goes in the opposite direction and becomes insanely overpowered in T8, removing half of the buffs in one cast - and hey it has only 10 sec recast.</p><p>P.S. All swashys I know are betraying to brigs as I write this. Anyone needs any other proofs that brigs are completely overpowered in their current state?</p></blockquote>No brigand can keep anyone stunned for the first 6 second of the fight. The longest stun is about 2.2 seconds, you gain immunity immeaditly after that.The taunt doesnt strip "most" of the buffs. It gets resisted alot and if it doesnt get resisted, it usually removes 1-2 buffs.I know atleast 2 general brigands on my friend list that went swashbuckler but have yet to see a Q brigand.We had a 5 vs 5 yesterday, and our swashbuckler pulled more than 1k dps in a 3-4 minut fight, he was above our warlock.Your post couldnt have more false statements <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>Are you the same Ajjantis who initially played with Fury and whined BS about rangers all over the forum? If yes, then you are not the one who should be talking about false statements really heh.BTW I am not surpised that you rolled brig and is now defending this class. People like you are always looking for easy mode - either by attempting to nerf other classes, or by eventually rolling the OP one.Good luck attempting to prevent SOE from fixing clearly OP class - you'll need it.</p><p>Now, on the topic:- On the 6 sec stun - learn to read what you are quoting, I did not talk about actual stun that's why I put quotation marks. You can find more information explaining the 6 sec thing above and below my post.- On resists - surprise-surprise, welcome to the casters world. Yes, spells and taunts do resist. As for quantity of buffs removed at 80, don't try to BS a mystic with your "1-2 buffs" thing.- The rest of your points are already answered by someone else above.</p>

[Darkor]

<cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sure may be it is not entirely true that brigand has 6 sec stun, but it is true that it can keep any class "stunned" for first 6 seconds of fight.</p><p>Also I am not sure why no one mentions their overpowered 10sec taunt which strips down most of the buffs right away.Shaman's scourge can remove most buffs from one cast in T2, but in T8 it can remove 2-3 buffs max if you are very lucky - and it has 1 minute recast. Brig's taunt goes in the opposite direction and becomes insanely overpowered in T8, removing half of the buffs in one cast - and hey it has only 10 sec recast.</p><p>P.S. All swashys I know are betraying to brigs as I write this. Anyone needs any other proofs that brigs are completely overpowered in their current state?</p></blockquote>No brigand can keep anyone stunned for the first 6 second of the fight. The longest stun is about 2.2 seconds, you gain immunity immeaditly after that.The taunt doesnt strip "most" of the buffs. It gets resisted alot and if it doesnt get resisted, it usually removes 1-2 buffs.I know atleast 2 general brigands on my friend list that went swashbuckler but have yet to see a Q brigand.We had a 5 vs 5 yesterday, and our swashbuckler pulled more than 1k dps in a 3-4 minut fight, he was above our warlock.Your post couldnt have more false statements <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>Are you the same Ajjantis who initially played with Fury and whined BS about rangers all over the forum? If yes, then you are not the one who should be talking about false statements really heh.BTW I am not surpised that you rolled brig and is now defending this class. People like you are always looking for easy mode - either by attempting to nerf other classes, or by eventually rolling the OP one.Good luck attempting to prevent SOE from fixing clearly OP class - you'll need it.</p><p>Now, on the topic:- On the 6 sec stun - learn to read what you are quoting, I did not talk about actual stun that's why I put quotation marks. You can find more information explaining the 6 sec thing above and below my post.- On resists - surprise-surprise, welcome to the casters world. Yes, spells and taunts do resist. As for quantity of buffs removed at 80, don't try to BS a mystic with your "1-2 buffs" thing.- The rest of your points are already answered by someone else above.</p></blockquote>Not brigands fault that the spells of casters get resisted heavilty, try blaming sony for that. If you say a brigand can keep someone STUNNED for 6 second its a blatant lie, no matter how you meant that. Glad you let other people answer your points. The warlock and swashbuckler dps thing. Maybe you need to get better swashbuckler. I hardly see Warlocks scratching that high dps on Venekor - not even the best ones in VA atm <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />BTW i might add that my warden has yet to loose a fight in a 1 vs 1 against a Brigand.

[Darkor]

<cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Maybe that's on Venekor.  Nagafen has more than a few Brigs in Qeynos now.  Why a Brig would switch to Swash, after Reach was removed from PvP, I just don't understand (strictly looking at it PvP-wise).  Me, I'm stubborn, I've always liked being a Swashy.  The upside is I made a killing on Silicate loams. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </p><p>Also just want to point out, the number of people that are going to make the switch may change, depending on how many tokens or replacement gear they get, due to not wanting to sacrifice PvP gear.</p></blockquote>Only noobs did rely on reach. A good swashbuckler doesnt need Reach to own faces in pvp. When i die to a swashbuckler, its surely NOT because of reach.Like i said, 2 brigs ( 1 general, 1 master who dropped to general shortly before class change) went swashbuckler first day, i have yet to see a Q brig.

[Bloodfa]

Like I said, more Brigs here?  Brigs ... still waiting on them being addressed, but I'm not exactly holding my breath on you being a champion for balance on that one, know what I mean?   Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more ... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 

[Elephanton]

<blockquote><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sure may be it is not entirely true that brigand has 6 sec stun, but it is true that it can keep any class "stunned" for first 6 seconds of fight.</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>No brigand can keep anyone stunned for the first 6 second of the fight.The longest stun is about 2.2 seconds, you gain immunity immeaditly after that.</p><p>If you say a brigand can keep someone STUNNED for 6 second its a blatant lie, no matter how you meant that. </p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #ffffff;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">I do not know a better word to explain when a character cannot move or cast anything, which is why I used "stunned" word and put it in the quotation marks to distinguish it from the in-game stun term. I also specifically said in the sentence before this that it is <span style="color: #ffff00;">not true</span> that brigand can stun for 6 sec.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #ffffff;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">Why do you keep posting pointless denials for something I never claimed (that brig has 6 sec stun), and moreover accuse me in lying by saying this?To me, it looks like you are simply trolling, trying to de-rail the conversation from the "6 sec problem" (is it better this way?) that indeed exists. Which is why I will be ignoring your further posts on this subject.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #ffffff;"><span style="color: #ffff00;">6 sec is eternity for T8 PVP, especially in case of brigs with tons of mitigation debuffs which could bring make clothy even from plate tanks. Which is why I strongly believe that this problem must be fixed.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #ffffff;"><span style="color: #ffff00;">Also, to reduce the insane autoattack damage, I believe that brigand's temp DPS buffs should be disabled in PVP, similarly to rangers who have their best Focus Aim buff completely disabled in PVP. I know this will be very unpopular among brigs (like it was in case of rangers), because it is one of their "I WIN" buttons they have, but it will definitely help to make T8 PVP more enjoyable and balanced for the rest of classes.</span></span></span></p>

[Faenril]

<cite>Paikis wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you have a swashbuckler o utDPSing a warlock in a 5v5, you need to get a better warlock, or keep him alive longer. Only class that should out-DPS a warlock in group v group fights is a coercer.</blockquote>Ah I got it ! The warlock poped manashield at inc so after 10 seconds he was OOM from the other group AOEs.Then he spent 4 minutes auto attacking and got outparsed by the swashy, god forbid that <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Faenril]

<cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Only noobs did rely on reach. A good swashbuckler doesnt need Reach to own faces in pvp. </blockquote>Pretty ironical from somebody who wrote that going swashy was not attractive anymore now that reach was gone <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Shadow_Viper]

<cite>Shadow_Viper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ClawHammr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Claw: Do you feel your class is challenging to play?</p><p>EverScout: Yeah I do. My goal is to win each fight in under 1.5 seconds and it is challenging to do that. Well, sometimes it is.</p><p>Claw:  Do you feel your class is OverPowered?</p><p>EverScout: Not really , why?</p><p>Claw: Stealth,Evac, multiple "IWIN" buttons...the list goes on</p><p>EverScout: No comment, next question please.</p><p>*EverScout did not want name given so is anonymous interview</p></blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/forums/list.m?category_id=41" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...?category_id=41</a></p><p>The class boards are a great resource of information, especially in regards to combating other classes.</p></blockquote>QFE

[sokil]

Brigs = repleacement for the swashi target for the loud and vocal.

[Tsunai]

OMGz0rz! What an unholy thread necroing Batman!