Appearence unfair!!!

[scorpion noir]

I would like to know when mages would be able to wear leather, plate amors FOR APPEARENCE only because i think that it's unfair that a berserker could wear anything he want to in the appearence slots but not the mages ...thanks ..

[Satu]

I believe there is a set of plate armor that is for appearance only that can be warn by mages.  IIRC it's from bloodlines, I could be mistaken on where it's from though.  I thought about getting some for my Assassin, but, she looks better in a robe.

[Lasai]

<p>In addition to the Bloodlines set the chain and plate available at the city faction vendors is cloth and wearable by all.  Dismal Rage officer armor is really pretty too.  Militia Vanguard is the same as Blackened, Militia Chain is what you see on the NPCs in chain and all of it is cloth.  Seafury gear is Leather appearance but also cloth.   For some reason the general city status plate IS plate though.</p><p>We were discussing this last night in group, and Prinscess, a coercer on my server, Nektulos, mentioned this idea.  Don't know if it was her idea originally, but I thought I would credit her anyhow.</p><p>An adornment that would permanently strip any armor of its stats and make it cloth.  Or tinkered.. Gnomish Armor Decombobulator??  I bet Hepplewhite could invent it.</p><p>I thought this was a great solution.</p>

[Vooz]

sorry if i seem a bit of topic but since you mention it i have to ask. I meet a lvl 80 guardian that was wearing very "casual" stuff, he looked like he just came from the tavern. Where do you buy "casual" clothing? My lvl 8 guardian looks like a bucket/boiler  in his newb armor <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Lasai]

<cite>Voozoo wrote:</cite><blockquote>sorry if i seem a bit of topic but since you mention it i have to ask. I meet a lvl 80 guardian that was wearing very "casual" stuff, he looked like he just came from the tavern. Where do you buy "casual" clothing? My lvl 8 guardian looks like a bucket/boiler  in his newb armor <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Shirt, Vest, Pants?  If so those are tailor made items, wearable by anyone.  Best way to find it is to search by chest slot, cloth, as it has some odd names given to the different variations.</p><p>Also, if you find a tailor made dress, examine it in Appearance window.  Ctrl/click.  It will appear as the mans suit both in the window and on your character, no cross dressing allowed here!!</p><p>Half of my Tailors "dresses" she wears are actually mens suits that didnt sell <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Vooz]

so so so ur telling me i can't wear a skirt? <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> or high heels? <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />or one of those lovely long skirts opened on both front sides? <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />/mood cryOk! kidding aside thank you for the reply <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ozymundas]

My mages have the faux plate set from Bloodlines, but I'm really ready for something new to look at.  Sure, you can do faction writs for those armors, but they aren't really that great.  It'd be nice if the player made plate, chain, and leather sets were available to everyone as appearance slot items at least.

[Vooz]

ammm i have yet another question... is there a fast way to change the "look cool"  items with the "i actually use this" items?let's say you're wondering around somewhere with your casual stuff and you encounter something that needs you to be in your battle armor (a mob...) can you change your stuff on a click? or is there a special slot for look cool items? a slot different than your normal armor? i am a bit confusedand again sorry for lurking in your post.

[Errolflynn]

When you get to level 20 you get access to the appearance slots. So you can look how you want without compromising you adventuring gear.

[Vooz]

12 more lvl's to go then <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rijacki]

<cite>Voozoo wrote:</cite><blockquote>sorry if i seem a bit of topic but since you mention it i have to ask. I meet a lvl 80 guardian that was wearing very "casual" stuff, he looked like he just came from the tavern. Where do you buy "casual" clothing? My lvl 8 guardian looks like a bucket/boiler  in his newb armor <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote><a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g93&menustr=065000000000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Crafted "casual" clothes</a><a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g160&menustr=065000000000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">City/Faction "casual" clothes</a> (for some of these you need to be in a guild of a certain level and have status points to buy these from a "City Merchant", for others you need to have the right amount of faction with the particular faction you want to buy from but you don't need to be guilded .. this link does not have all the faction clothes available mainly the ones from the crafting factions)

[Transen]

Personally think that all the usual restrictions for wearing armor should be removed for appearance slots...(including level restrictions).There's no point to it in the appearance slot.  You gain no stats from wearing in those slots.  Just the appearance.Only reason I can think that this hasn't been done to begin with is that it must be very hard from a coding perspective.

[Dreadpatch]

Why would you want you mage class wearing chain or plate? I'm against it, they shouldn't be wearing it anyways. I'm far from an RP person, but the whole concept of a wizzie wearing plate, is well stupid. It breaks down to classic RP games, a wizzie doesn't have the str to wear plate, or it encumbers them too much to cast spells. Whereas someone can always have the str to wear cloth and a fighter archetype does not need cast spells. What am I missing here?

[thephantomposter]

Q on the appearance slot, do items atune to you the same as the equipping slots?

[Seidhkona]

<cite>scorpion noir wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would like to know when mages would be able to wear leather, plate amors FOR APPEARENCE only because i think that it's unfair that a berserker could wear anything he want to in the appearence slots but not the mages ...</blockquote>Honestly, you should get more creative with how you search for gear.  Here's one plate-appearance set anyone can wear:<a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Ceremonial_Armor_of_Marr_%28Armor_Set%29" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/c/c6/Ceremonial_Armor_of_Marr.png" alt="" border="0" /></a>This particular set requires you to do the Bloodlines Chronicles quests, which are level 35-50.  There are other pieces of cloth gear that come from mob drops and quests that have varying appearance.  I recommend browsing at the broker and using the Dressing Room functionality (CTRL-click an item to see how it will look on you).  With some patience you can get a lot of different looks!You may also be interested in the very handy reference, <a href="http://www.eq2alchemy.com/closet/index.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rijacki's Closet</a>. Also don't miss <a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g99&menustr=065000000000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">EQ2 Trader's Corner Fashion page</a>, which has crafted and status armors shown.<cite>Dreadpatch wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why would you want you mage class wearing chain or plate? I'm against it, they shouldn't be wearing it anyways. I'm far from an RP person, but the whole concept of a wizzie wearing plate, is well stupid.It breaks down to classic RP games, a wizzie doesn't have the str to wear plate, or it encumbers them too much to cast spells. Whereas someone can always have the str to wear cloth and a fighter archetype does not need cast spells. What am I missing here?</blockquote>I'm guessing you are limited to a D&D worldview then. In some world mythologies, being a  tough warrior and a powerful wizard went hand-in-hand. Consider the Norse hero Egil Skallagrimsson, who was skilled in runic magic but was also a vicious, tough warrior. Or the Viking god Odinn, god of battle and magic. /shrugAnd, by the way, Shadowknights and Paladins have BOTH spells and combat arts.  SKs in particular are "mages in tin cans".

[Lasai]

<cite>Dreadpatch wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why would you want you mage class wearing chain or plate? I'm against it, they shouldn't be wearing it anyways. I'm far from an RP person, but the whole concept of a wizzie wearing plate, is well stupid.It breaks down to classic RP games, a wizzie doesn't have the str to wear plate, or it encumbers them too much to cast spells. Whereas someone can always have the str to wear cloth and a fighter archetype does not need cast spells. What am I missing here?</blockquote><p>Because EQ is a persistant virtual world, and not just a game session.  Its not mind boggling to imagine costume and ceremonial armors created just for looks, just as they actually were way back when, and today in the real world.</p><p>Royalty actually commissioned light Plate sets for children..  It doesnt have to be Combat Plate... just LOOK like plate.</p><p>And the str argument flies out the window regarding Leather anyway.</p><p>Game mechanics should not dictate looks, str stats are a function of game mechanics, nothing else.  There is no way you can convince me that an huge Ogre Mage is somehow not strong enough to wear a set of chain or plate.</p><p>Appearance should be allowed to go beyond mechanics.  So should weapons.. I should be able to equip a Mace on my 80 scout... just not be able to kill a commonlands beetle with it.  I would have zero issues with a Claymore swinging Wizard or dagger using Druid. </p><p>More choice, More options is always good to me.  </p>

[Naubeta]

I don't think appearance is intended to let anyone look like anything.It's there so you can have the visual apperance of other items you can already wear. So, for example, you can keep the apperance of a matching armour set when you are wearing some other better pieces. And it also gives status etc clothing more use.

[Ozymundas]

<cite>Naubitzi@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think appearance is intended to let anyone look like anything.It's there so you can have the visual apperance of other items you can already wear. So, for example, you can keep the apperance of a matching armour set when you are wearing some other better pieces. And it also gives status etc clothing more use.</blockquote><p>Of course that's how it's intended to be.  The topic is how it should be.  I think if someone is really upset about a mage wearing plate armor, it's too late because we have fake-plate.  The suggestion is that we get the rest of the armor sets to wear as fake-plate instead of just the bloodlines set and the really old and plain faction sets.</p><p>P.S. Robes are ugly.</p>

[Snowdonia]

<cite>Naubitzi@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think appearance is intended to let anyone look like anything.It's there so you can have the visual apperance of other items you can already wear. So, for example, you can keep the apperance of a matching armour set when you are wearing some other better pieces. And it also gives status etc clothing more use.</blockquote>That's exactly right and there was a VERY lengthy debate in the Testing forums when this was first being implemented about who should be allowed to wear what. It was finally decided that the appearance slots should mirror the requirements if the usable slots instead of some of the half-baked ideas that were being thrown around. Even when posters and devs tried to come up with more "fair" ways of allowing armor to be worn in appearance, it would always fall dreadfully short (including its original implementation).The devs didn't want a FFA for the appearance slots, and the players didn't want any sort of restrictions that were going to be a kick in the teeth to how current wearable restrictions are laid out. An example of one of the proposed restrictions was that you you could wear your armor and any one armor type below yours. This meant Chain got to wear Chain and Leather (but not cloth), Leather got to wear Cloth and Leather, Plate got to wear Chain and Plate, and Cloth got to wear, you guessed it, Cloth. While it seemed a more "fair" proposal, the fact that Cloth didn't have an armor set they could go back to and the two metal armor types were restricted from wearing armor in a <i>fluff</i> slot that they can wear just fine in their normal slots just defied the fairness of the proposal. Cloth still gained no boon from the proposal and two other armor types became restricted for no real reason and it made little sense to restrict them as such.So to avoid any bigger messes this or any other proposal besides FFA (which the devs were <i>definitely</i><b> not</b> going to give us) they simply set the appearance slot restrictions to mirror regular armor restrictions.Here's a quote from Rothgar in <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=379858" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">one of the hugest issues thread this board has seen</a> concerning the appearance slots original implementation (I bolded the relevant bit)....<cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey guys.  I know that many of you are disappointed over the current restrictions on appearance items.  I just wanted to pop in and let you know that we're reading this feedback.<b>Keep in mind that the original intent of this feature was to allow people to customize their appearance to make up for having mismatched pieces of armor.  So for example, if you're wearing crafted leggings, but a dropped breastplate with 2 different appearances, you can equip appearance items to even out your appearance.  Our original goal with this feature was not to allow people to wear anything they wanted to.</b>Our first implementation only had one restriction, and that was your class had to be allowed to wear the item.  This had the unfortunate side effect of letting certain classes have more appearance options.  Cloth wearers could only wear cloth and plate wearers could wear anything they wanted to.  A co-worker of mine refers to this as the relative 'shaft-factor'. We are aware that in some cases, people wear armor lighter than their class would normally wear, like plate wearers wearing a chain piece, or leather wearers wearing a cloth piece.  So we now allow you to wear heavier items in order to fix this problem.  So a plate tank can appear to be in full plate even if they have a chain BP.  A chain wearer can now look uniform even if they have a cloth or leather piece on.I know a few people have suggested an option to enable/disable the appearance items, but this just isn't viable at the moment.  The server is doing most of the work to determine what you should look like.  The client doesn't have all of the information to make that determination, and this would require a pretty big change.I'm sure everyone has different opinions on the best way for this feature to work, but I wanted to at least explain our thought processes because there is a lot of mixed information out there.Please keep sending the feedback because we are listening.Thanks!Rothgar</blockquote><cite></cite>If you clicked the link you can see how much debate went into this subject. I doubt (although it's never ruled out of course, they have been known to change their mind) after this much debate on the subject, they are going to change it now since they were pretty adamant about not allowing FFA appearance armor.

[Naubeta]

I'd rather they removed the option for me (I'm a paladin) to have cloth/leather/chain appearance than for everyone to wear anything.Status and tradeskilled dresses etc can be exempted because that's what they're for.

[Lolah]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Because EQ is a persistant virtual world, and not just a game session.  Its not mind boggling to imagine costume and ceremonial armors created just for looks, just as they actually were way back when, and today in the real world.</p><p>Royalty actually commissioned light Plate sets for children..  It doesnt have to be Combat Plate... just LOOK like plate.</p></blockquote>And in that day and age, there also existed sumptuary laws which dictated which classes and ranks of individuals were permitted to wear different items. These were often even more restrictive than the appearance rules here in EQ2. For instance, it might be specified that the toes of your shoes could be no more than a certain length, your hat could only be so tall, and you might be permitted a fur trim on your cloak, but not ermine, and none of your clothes could be purple. (These are theoretical examples pulled from my own head, not necessarily historical ones.)That's how I view the restrictions - fairly gentle sumptuary laws. We still have plenty of choices for what to wear, even if we can't wear <i>anything and everything.</i>

[Erithe]

<cite>Dreadpatch wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why would you want you mage class wearing chain or plate? I'm against it, they shouldn't be wearing it anyways. I'm far from an RP person, but the whole concept of a wizzie wearing plate, is well stupid. It breaks down to classic RP games, a wizzie doesn't have the str to wear plate, or it encumbers them too much to cast spells. Whereas someone can always have the str to wear cloth and a fighter archetype does not need cast spells. What am I missing here?</blockquote>The question really isn't that the mages want to wear chain or plate.  It is that the mages want some variety.  Right now we're stuck with really ugly pants, a few pieces of legs that look like some of the leather and chain, a few vests, but ... mostly ... robes.  The same robe.  Over and over and over again. It isn't that any of them want to wear chain or plate, it's that they want variety. Seriously?  Since we already get some of the chain and leather looks and some of the chain and leather doesn't look particularly different from cloth anyway, it makes no sense not to open some more of those up or make them open to appearance slots for mages.  Some new textures, etc, would work wonders.Added:Also, with mages, the complete armor set purpose of the Appearance tab is ruined b/c they didn't make chest pieces to complete non-robe looks.  So half the sets are incomplete unless you're wearing a robe, and if you don't want to wear a robe, you're pretty well screwed.  The newer tailored sets are a step forward, but ... it's still very restricted.  This is a GAME, not the real world.  The restrictions make it LESS fun.

[TaleraRis]

<cite>Voozoo wrote:</cite><blockquote>so so so ur telling me i can't wear a skirt? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /> or high heels? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" />or one of those lovely long skirts opened on both front sides? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" />/mood cryOk! kidding aside thank you for the reply <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></blockquote>That's one of the bummer things with male characters in EQ2. WoW had a, I think it was the Valentine's quest, and the final rewards was choice of a dress. So there were male characters in game wearing a dress that actually was a dress, doing the /dance emote and being silly. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. As to mages wearing the plate look, even IF you stuck to the D&D world view, there are materials in D&D that are lighter and can specifically be manipulated for characters who are magic users to be able to use, which are designed not to interfere with their spell-casting abilities.

[thephantomposter]

<p>totally agree with this,</p><p> "The question really isn't that the mages want to wear chain or plate.  It is that the mages want some variety.  Right now we're stuck with really ugly pants, a few pieces of legs that look like some of the leather and chain, a few vests, but ... mostly ... robes.  The same robe.  Over and over and over again. It isn't that any of them want to wear chain or plate, it's that they want variety. Seriously?  Since we already get some of the chain and leather looks and some of the chain and leather doesn't look particularly different from cloth anyway, it makes no sense not to open some more of those up or make them open to appearance slots for mages.  Some new textures, etc, would work wonders."</p><p>I have played a few different classes now and the one thing I would enjoy is having a unique look. Something that seperates me from everyone else. When everyone looks the same or you end up wearing the same thing over and over, it gets kind of blah and people wonder if you actually doing your laundry. So I am for spicing things up a bit.</p>

[Rainmare]

yes but spice up things doesn't have to mean giving the pure casters leather and plate appearance outfits. and honestly, even in D&D, and in almost any story known, how many pure casters don't wear robes alone?Raistlin was famous for his black robes and gold skin look.Merlin is almost always depicited in a robe. Morgana usually in a dress.Fizban, robe and floppy hate.Saruman, white robe, later a robe that was made up of hundred of invividual colored strands that gave the illison of his robe changing color when he called himself 'Saruman of many colors'Gandalf, grey robe, and then a white robe.in D&D there was material that wasn't robe based that mage could wear without interference in their spell casting. but for the most part it was so exceedingly rare or expensive it's EQ2 counterpart would be considered Mythical at the least.They gave you the options with faction armor, and the bloodlines armor, considered 'ceremonial' IE this stuff was never made, or intended to be actually worn in combat, which was how they explained it away that you could wear it. the idea of yes, that looks like a nice plate outfit, but the barbarian warrior standing next to you could put his fist through it with little effort.very, very rarely is a pure caster, in any fantasy setting since Tolkien, not dressed in robes. Now if you'd like more cloth appearance, then say so. but don't come asking for plate/chain/leather looks. You picked a pure caster. defined for the longest time by wearing robes, and using wands and staves/staffs.

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

<cite>scorpion noir wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would like to know when mages would be able to wear leather, plate amors FOR APPEARENCE only because i think that it's unfair that a berserker could wear anything he want to in the appearence slots but not the mages ...thanks ..</blockquote>Never. Because no one can wear things in appearance slots they can't actually wear.

[Sylaz]

I have to agree with the fact that this comes more from a need for variety rather than wanting to simply wear plate.As an Iksar Necromancer I would LOVE to have robes like Venril Sathir's:<img src="http://www.defiant-eq2.com/images/deadven.jpg" alt="" border="0" />Open and very "primal" looking.I have a feeling however, that whenever they get the skeletal revamp worked out, we should see more things like this, as being able to easily adapt new armor to everyone is the main goal of the revamp.

[Rhak]

<cite>Sylaz wrote:</cite><blockquote>As an Iksar Necromancer I would LOVE to have robes like Venril Sathir's:</blockquote>Frankly, coming from somebody who has an Iksar character - I'd love to have my character model look as cool as Venril Sathir's is. And I'd love to have my Kerra look like the Vah Shir did in EQ1.But that's a whole different argument. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Transen]

First off, why is it that whenever someone brings up this topic, they show the exact same cloth-equipable plate armor from bloodlines and then make a blanketed statement like they just didn't look long enough?  Yes, there are a few cloth items that you can find that have a particular plate look.  But what if that isn't what you're going for?  What if you're going for a look that was only introduced recently in the RoK or even EoF expansion that doesn't have a "cloth" counterpart? This would be my argument for letting any class equip any type armor in appearance:What if (just for the sake of argument) you want to wear a particular plate arms and everything else in chain but...your character can only wear up to chain armor (everything but plate)?  The over-all look is still chain armor but because you could use the look of a particular plate piece, you were able to come up with a somewhat more unique look.  With the current mechanics of appearance slots, this is currently not possible for anyone but plate-wearers.Let's throw this the other way:Let's say you're a plate wearer and decide to have a robe in appearance slot.  There's nothing to stop ya from looking like a mage class character with the current system (in fact, I've seen lots of plate-wearers running around in robes).  How is this by any means any more logical than a cloth class wearing leather, chain, and/or plate?All in all, the only adverse effect I can see a change like this having would be on PvP servers where you can not tell by a glance what a enemy player's archetype is (fighter, priest, scout, mage) and this already exists in the form of plate wearers' wearing chain, leather, and cloth in appearance slots.Aesthetically speaking, it would mean that stereotypical fantasy looks matching their archetypes would be null and void and it's this more than anything that I think the whole disagreement is actually all about.But that's just my point of view...

[Armawk]

What IS I think unfair is that there arent more mage-only robes. the really fancy ones are highly magical and mage specific and should really be locked to mages only.. there are more reasons than weight for things to be linked to a class, but almost nothing is ever mage-only.

[scorpion noir]

the problem is that a female berseker can wear plate , leather and clothe appareance armor and not a wizard one!! Why should i wear only robes when a berserk one can wear robes GI and plate armor ?

[Erithe]

There are a TON of fantasy settings that do not have mage-types wearing robes.  My character is not an ancient man who has a dire need to keep his bones warm.  She's a high elf wizard who specializes in fire.  That said, I think there are PLENTY of robes already in game ... and they pretty much cover the full gamut of colors.  Granted, could use some different texturing here and there. What I would like is to see some of the models from the leather and chain lines refurbished (retextured) for cloth wearers.  As it is, some of the items I can wear are exactly the same as the leather or chain already in game, I just can't get the BP from the set, or it's missing the legs, or there are arms missing ... so, while I can wear a pants set, I can't complete it.  If the goal of the Appearance slot is to give people a nice completed look ... complete the look.  I think, for me, robes are just ... not going to happen.  Since the appearance slot, I never have my character wear one.  They make her butt look fat.  I do not want a fat butt in a game.  I go into the game world to escape that, tyvm. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />

[ClawHammr]

<cite>Erithe wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are a TON of fantasy settings that do not have mage-types wearing robes.  My character is not an ancient man who has a dire need to keep his bones warm.  She's a high elf wizard who specializes in fire.  That said, I think there are PLENTY of robes already in game ... and they pretty much cover the full gamut of colors.  Granted, could use some different texturing here and there. What I would like is to see some of the models from the leather and chain lines refurbished (retextured) for cloth wearers.  As it is, some of the items I can wear are exactly the same as the leather or chain already in game, I just can't get the BP from the set, or it's missing the legs, or there are arms missing ... so, while I can wear a pants set, I can't complete it.  If the goal of the Appearance slot is to give people a nice completed look ... complete the look.  I think, for me, robes are just ... not going to happen.  Since the appearance slot, I never have my character wear one.  They make her butt look fat.  I do not want a fat butt in a game.  I go into the game world to escape that, tyvm. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />"></blockquote><p>For what its worth you can get some pretty cool looking cloth armor in T8 from Kunzar Jungle Quests</p>

[ke'la]

<cite>Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>scorpion noir wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would like to know when mages would be able to wear leather, plate amors FOR APPEARENCE only because i think that it's unfair that a berserker could wear anything he want to in the appearence slots but not the mages ...</blockquote>Honestly, you should get more creative with how you search for gear.  Here's one plate-appearance set anyone can wear:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Ceremonial_Armor_of_Marr_%28Armor_Set%29" target="_blank"><img src="http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/c/c6/Ceremonial_Armor_of_Marr.png" border="0" alt="" /></a>This particular set requires you to do the Bloodlines Chronicles quests, which are level 35-50.  There are other pieces of cloth gear that come from mob drops and quests that have varying appearance.  I recommend browsing at the broker and using the Dressing Room functionality (CTRL-click an item to see how it will look on you).  With some patience you can get a lot of different looks!You may also be interested in the very handy reference, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.eq2alchemy.com/closet/index.html" target="_blank">Rijacki's Closet</a>. Also don't miss <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g99&menustr=065000000000" target="_blank">EQ2 Trader's Corner Fashion page</a>, which has crafted and status armors shown.<cite>Dreadpatch wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why would you want you mage class wearing chain or plate? I'm against it, they shouldn't be wearing it anyways. I'm far from an RP person, but the whole concept of a wizzie wearing plate, is well stupid.It breaks down to classic RP games, a wizzie doesn't have the str to wear plate, or it encumbers them too much to cast spells. Whereas someone can always have the str to wear cloth and a fighter archetype does not need cast spells. What am I missing here?</blockquote>I'm guessing you are limited to a D&D worldview then. In some world mythologies, being a  tough warrior and a powerful wizard went hand-in-hand. Consider the Norse hero Egil Skallagrimsson, who was skilled in runic magic but was also a vicious, tough warrior. Or the Viking god Odinn, god of battle and magic. /shrugAnd, by the way, Shadowknights and Paladins have BOTH spells and combat arts.  SKs in particular are "mages in tin cans".</blockquote>And to really be realistic Berzerkers should be next to nude (too keep the game Teen rated) consitering thats how they entered battle.

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<cite>scorpion noir wrote:</cite><blockquote>the problem is that a female berseker can wear plate , leather and clothe appareance armor and not a wizard one!! Why should i wear only robes when a berserk one can wear robes GI and plate armor ? </blockquote>Because they can wear Robes, one or two Gis(most are Brawler only as they should be), leather and plate in their normal slots. It a simple cut and paste of the restrictions on the normal slots. They tried restricting it so that you could only wear the highest armor that your capable of wearing in your aperance slot but a) the 3/4s that would have been nerfed screamed bloody murder, and b) by far Cloth as the most verity in styles, available to all, with leather a close second.