Discussion: Gu 45 Imbue Vrs Templar Epic (Fabled Version)

[dancemice]

<p>Since apparantly poll's are not allowed. Funny that. And i can make this a poll to. (And hopefully i won't get in trouble for this one)</p><p>Alright. The contenders are</p><p>MC Blessing Imbued weapon - +35 to Str, Wis, Int; +80 Health, Power; 75.4. And an imbue that proc's at 1.8 times a minute Proc effect adds +120 to healing and spell damage. Add on: +45 healing adornment.</p><p>Templar Epic: Fabled Version +24 str, Sta, +40 Wis, +20 int; +180 health, +160 Power, +5 minstration; 93 rating: Proc's - 9% (1.8 times a minute)  on a benificial spell - Makes the cleric cast 10% faster and is immune to stun for 8 seconds. Add on: +45 healing adornment.</p><p>My concern is that with the fabled version you get +110 healing max (and a few other fun bits, like damage and health).</p><p>With the MC Imbue'd You get (on a proc mind you) A minium of +45 healing, And a maxium of +165 healing <b>and </b>+120 spell damage.</p><p>Spell damage is the biggy for me, I've nuked over 4900 points with my + to spell damage and a good critical.</p><p>So lets discuss.</p><p>-B-</p>

[Filroden]

Seriously, what is your issue? They are not even in the same ball park. I'd have thought the answers in the previous thread might have highlighted this to you. And if you are using your epic when DPSing you're seriously harming your output. Use your epic for what its intended for - group and raid level healing. Use a more appropriate weapon to DPS (and you can swap when engaged in combat).

[josie67]

Agree with above poster. Epic hands down DESTROYS the imbued weapon for my purposes. As a raiding templar, i couldn't care lass about + to heal since it was capped long ago... the extra 100 HP/power, and the proc that increases casting speed plus stun resist from the fabled is MUCH more useful to me.

[dancemice]

<p>Alright. Raiders 2. Other templars 0.</p><p>Here is my issue. </p><p>I didn't have guild support when i did my epic. I did it alone. It took me 50+ hours to finish, Because i didn't have groups lining up to help me. I don't want an imbued proc to trivialize the work i did.</p><p>And Dang it jim. That imbue comes precariously close. </p><p>Lets put it this way. I want to hear from all clerics. Just not the raiders who always have far, far better then most other classes and will have it faster if not first. I want to hear from those who are lvl 78 and looking at the epic or the MC and those who have either lots of time to shell out into the game or very little.</p><p>I'm interested in what this will do to up and coming templars. If a weapon is released that makes the epic wanting, then why bother going after the epic, which is supposed to be the pinnicle of our class.</p><p>I believe my comments are valid - However they don't apply to those who have so much fabled loot that their merchant fodder makes people drool.</p><p>-B-</p>

[Enoa]

<p>Not sure what the issue is here...</p><p>After completing 3 epics and helping countless other people with theirs the Templar epic is easy (even before the qeust was nerfed) in comparison.   I'm sorry you couldn't solo the "epic" questline but epic questlines aren't meant to be soloable.   There are alot of classes that don't consider their epic fabled weapons an upgrade </p><p>If you want a conservative healer weapon than the yeb-soth guardian is superior (and /gasp the pure stat and damage rating/delay on it are worse /zomg) .   If you want a dps weapon then carry a two-hander or if you're set on a 1hander because of aa spec's then i'd imagine the dawnfire mace (forgot official name) would probably out dps the new mastercrafted.  </p><p>I'm glad weaponsmiths are finally getting a break and having a weaponsmith might actually be desirable in t8.   Perhaps Domino went too far in improving crafted items but given the fact that you can quest for better weapons (templar fabled epic) or acquire in instances (dawnfire mace or yeb-soth guardian) or in T1 raid zones (Bonecrusher) makes it a mute point.  </p><p>+healing gives us almost no benefit considering reactives cap out at +281.   I'm sure you could get close to +spell damage cap on a templar if you looked hard enough and wanted to wear leather.  </p><p>l8r</p><p>Enoa</p>

[quasigenx]

How many threads are you going to start on this?

[dancemice]

<p>Just this one, Echgar pointed out to me that polls were not allowed <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (And the thread is locked)</p><p>-B-</p>

[bobdbutcherer]

I think I understand where Tbiggs is coming from.  Its not that he is saying the MC hammer is better than the Fabled Epic, its just that it comes fairly close in certain areas.  In most aspects of the weapon the Fabled Epic beats the MC hammer hands down.  But in certain respects the MC hammer comes pretty close to the Epic.<ul><li>+Healing they are comparable</li><li>+ Damage, the MC hammer actually has potential to actually out dps the Epic, what with the majority of our dps coming from spell damage</li><li>148 total stats on Epic 105 on the MC</li><li>Hp/Pwr ratio between the two are about what I would expect</li></ul>With that said it <u>is </u>ridiculous to think that for a weapon this comparable I have to go through three of the least desired locations in the game right now (at least from my experiences), Deep Sebilis, Deep Chardok and Chelsith.  Plus running all over hell's half acre. Compare that to dropping 20g on the broker to buy a raw, and then I guess it is fair to say that it might be difficult to find a WS to craft it for you <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.Another way you could think about is, how would those who hold the mythical feel if they had to go through the entire Fabled/Mythical quest line to get there Mythical and all we had to do to get the Fabled version was go harvest a rock?So I guess what my question would be then, what is it you hope to accomplish by this Tbiggs?  Are you trying to get the Fabled Epic improved to some degree or are you trying to get the MC reduced a bit.  I would opt more for improving the epic as I do think that the epic should provide a bonus to all aspects of the game (not just ours but everyones).  I think that the epic should be viable in raid/group/solo.  The MC does this, but the Fabled epic does not.

[Filroden]

<p>I just want to point out that I am not a raider and I did every stage of my epic either solo or in pick up groups - yet I still do not see your issue. There are much better weapons for both healing and DPSing available from just completing simple quest lines. For example, one of the best choice of weapons comes from a single run through Vaults followed by killing a single mob in Maidens. Both instances are always available to a healer of level 77+ so the rewards are effectively trivial in comparison to the epic. But they are not the same.</p><p>The fabled epic feels far from fabled but there is little available to a non-raiding templar that even comes close for overall benefit in a healing environment. The MC item doesn't even come close. Likewise, there are far better DPS weapons available from quest rewards than both the epic and the MC weapon.</p><p>Everyone can earn their epic with a little effort - everyone can buy a MC weapon with a little effort - everyone can complete a quest to obtain a nice reward...with a little effort. Why should you want others to respect you because you took 50+ hours to complete a quest line? Completing it should be important to YOU because YOU completed it, not because someone else thinks you are better for having done X instead of Y. If you can't respect your own acheivements, why will others?</p>