Finding Countersong in the raid logs

[Kreylin]

<p>During last night's PR raid, I used Countersong on the guy with the nasty harm touch.</p><p>It appeared to work.  The timer was called.  I landed Countersong.  I saw the icon in my maintained window counting the duration down.  Then, time came up for the harm touch.  My icon went away and no noticeable damage was done.  I was pretty happy about it.</p><p>However, a friend of mine who was also on the raid brought his log to work, and we took a few minutes to look through it.  We can't find any mention of Countersong anywhere in the log.  We can't find where I cast it or where it reduced the damage.  In fact, we can't even find where the mob performed that last harm touch.  The only thing we found is an entry that says he tried to hit our tank but failed to do any damage.  But that's not right.  I've got the Master I for Countersong, but that still just reduces the damage by 90%.  He still should have done some kind of damage.</p><p> Anyone have any ideas?</p>

[RanmaBoyType]

<p>that is one of my biggest complaints about countersong, is that you just don't know what it actually did.  I also love it when i try to time it on an aoe, or big hit, and the little [Removed for Content] does some small [Removed for Content] spell or ca right before the big one. boom 10 minute level 80 special ability totally wasted.</p>

[Banditman]

<cite>Kreylin@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>During last night's PR raid, I used Countersong on the guy with the nasty harm touch.</p><p>It appeared to work.  The timer was called.  I landed Countersong.  I saw the icon in my maintained window counting the duration down.  Then, time came up for the harm touch.  My icon went away and no noticeable damage was done.  I was pretty happy about it.</p><p>However, a friend of mine who was also on the raid brought his log to work, and we took a few minutes to look through it.  We can't find any mention of Countersong anywhere in the log.  We can't find where I cast it or where it reduced the damage.  In fact, we can't even find where the mob performed that last harm touch.  The only thing we found is an entry that says he tried to hit our tank but failed to do any damage.  But that's not right.  I've got the Master I for Countersong, but that still just reduces the damage by 90%.  He still should have done some kind of damage.</p><p> Anyone have any ideas?</p></blockquote>You found your answer already.It's not a Harm Touch, it's a Death Touch.  Unless altered, it will kill your tank.  If you saw an absorb message, I'd say you got it.  Failed to inflict damage is what you get when the tank is Warded or Stoneskin'ed.If the DT had not been modified by "something" you would most certainly have seen it in your logs.  By reducing damage by 90%, you made it small enough that a Ward was able to absorb it all.Personally, I wouldn't want to count on that method to keep my MT alive, but I suppose if for some reason we ran out of saves and had nothing left to try, Countersong might be the ticket.Hint:  A better method for dealing with that is to have your MT group healers set up a death prevent rotation and have your Mages ready to power feed.

[Kreylin]

<cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kreylin@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>During last night's PR raid, I used Countersong on the guy with the nasty harm touch.</p><p>It appeared to work.  The timer was called.  I landed Countersong.  I saw the icon in my maintained window counting the duration down.  Then, time came up for the harm touch.  My icon went away and no noticeable damage was done.  I was pretty happy about it.</p><p>However, a friend of mine who was also on the raid brought his log to work, and we took a few minutes to look through it.  We can't find any mention of Countersong anywhere in the log.  We can't find where I cast it or where it reduced the damage.  In fact, we can't even find where the mob performed that last harm touch.  The only thing we found is an entry that says he tried to hit our tank but failed to do any damage.  But that's not right.  I've got the Master I for Countersong, but that still just reduces the damage by 90%.  He still should have done some kind of damage.</p><p> Anyone have any ideas?</p></blockquote>You found your answer already.It's not a Harm Touch, it's a Death Touch.  Unless altered, it will kill your tank.  If you saw an absorb message, I'd say you got it.  Failed to inflict damage is what you get when the tank is Warded or Stoneskin'ed.If the DT had not been modified by "something" you would most certainly have seen it in your logs.  By reducing damage by 90%, you made it small enough that a Ward was able to absorb it all.Personally, I wouldn't want to count on that method to keep my MT alive, but I suppose if for some reason we ran out of saves and had nothing left to try, Countersong might be the ticket.Hint:  A better method for dealing with that is to have your MT group healers set up a death prevent rotation and have your Mages ready to power feed.</blockquote><p>Wasn't really looking for a critique of raiding methods.  I was just wondering why I couldn't find any information in the logs about Countersong.  Regardless, we found instances in the log when he did the other DT's during the fight (he did 3 total including the one I Countersong'ed), and both the others did around 18,500 points of disease damage.  That's how they showed up in the log.  However, with the one I Countersong'ed, there was just nothing except the odd message I noted.  And since wards do show up in the log, had it been a ward that took the damage my Countersong didn't reduce, I would have excepted that to show up.</p><p>As for raiding method, Countersong has a 10 minute reuse time and gives the mob immunity.  So, as a raiding technique to keep the tank alive, it's completely useless because it's a one shot deal.  I just use it because A) I have it...so why not use it and B) It's just another safeguard in case something goes wrong at the very end of the fight.  I always use it on the last big spell of every fight, because at the very end is where you definitely don't want to lose it.</p>

[Kreylin]

Ok...we did find Stoneskin in the log.  So, per Banditman, my Countersong reduced the damage to an amount that Stoneskin sucked it up (I assume it doesn't report in the log how much stoneskin blocks because we don't see that in the log...just that Stoneskin was cast) and resulted in the failed to do damage message.  Is that correct?

[Pogopuschel]

Stoneskin-type abilities (whether physical and magic) generally absorb the entire damage of that damage type.This goes for the Templar's stone skin ability as well as our Requiem of Reflection (lvl 52 Ancient Teachings).Nevertheless you could be right, Countersong might have lessened the hit, but the Stoneskin would have absorbed it regardlessly.

[Banditman]

Stoneskin reports an amount to the person who has the stoneskin.  So, if you want to see the block as clearly as possible, you need the MT logs.  Keep in mind that these logs will report unmitigated numbers on stoneskin absorbs.  It's not at all uncommon against tough raid mobs to see stoneskin blocks of 20k+

[RanmaBoyType]

<p>i think the issue the OP is trying to reflect is that there is no log at all for what countersong does.  ie there is nothing that says "your countersong absorbs/blocks/lowers in damage" anywhere in the logs.</p><p>If mob 001 does an aoe spell for [Removed for Content] and giggles say 10k to the raid normally, then you see mob001 hits player 1, 2, 3... for 10k points of poison damage.</p><p>now if you had countersong on (M1 at 90%) then you will see mob001 hits plaer 1,2,3... for 1k points of poison damage.  but no where is it logged this reason is because of countersong.  It is obvious for the most part that is what hit it, but i think the OP was looking for the "your countersong absorbs 9k of damage being done to player 1, 2, 3...."</p>

[Banditman]

It'd be nice, but I won't hold my breath.

[Kreylin]

<p>Thanks for all the replies.  Think that pretty well covers my question.</p>

[Crimson Dragon]

it'd be fantastic, because i've used countersong and had an AE do full damage right through it. that's always fun to watch. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />i'd settle for a fix to that with no log text.