Seriously low FPS since Low memory mode went live.

[-Aonein-]

<p> Ever since that Low Memory Mode thing was implemented my system took a serious kick to the knee cap in FPS. I have no idea if this is related to the low memory mode but implemented a thing like this, was it even needed in the first place? Also, is it possible to add in a check box so we can ethier enable it OR disable it our selves to see if our systems actually make any kind of remote use or change with it please?</p><p> Before this change went in, I was getting a constant 20 - 30 FPS on balanced settings, it isn't something that happens gtradually ethier, I log in with 10-15 FPS, I reboot and still have 10-15 FPS. I have downloaded multiple drivers, updated everything I can possibly think off, done a complete system scan, defrag'd, done a complete scan in preferences on the launch pad. My wife and I both run identical computers and she is also having the exact same issue leading me to believe something is up that has nothing to do with our systems.</p><p> Even when I raid, I used to turn my graphic settings down to the bare minimum and still get 25 - 40 FPS (depending on zone) while raiding, again, down to 7-11 FPS, it is seriously painful watching it dip down to 2 and 3 FPS when there is alot going on the screen adn the raid is all packed up together, like watching a slide show.</p><p> My system resources are sitting nicely at 18, so it is seriously not my systems.</p><p> Please allow us to enable or disable the low memory mode please SoE, I think it does most people more harm then good.</p>

[Makar]

No offense bro, but I dont think you can have anyway of knowing that it does more people harm than good. Its one thing to ask for a toggle to disable low mem mode, but to say things like its hurting most people in hopes that it will lemd your request more gravity isnt needed. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If it hurt that many people this board would be filled with people asking for this. Good luck, I hope your fps issues get solved....I have some as well I need to solve LOL.

[Elorah]

Have you tried a tracert and a pathping?  As suggested in <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=353617" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> *** Read before posting ***</a>I was haviong Low FPS spikes..  Turns out that I have quite a bit of packet loss on the line...

[-Aonein-]

<cite>Elorah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Have you tried a tracert and a pathping?  As suggested in <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=353617" target="_blank">*** Read before posting ***</a>I was haviong Low FPS spikes..  Turns out that I have quite a bit of packet loss on the line...</blockquote><p> FPS is not effected by your PING or packet lose, you will still remain at the same FPS but you will have interuptions to your gameplay while playing, as in everything will pause around you until your packets catch up. Speaking to my brother who runs a very upto date system (3500 dollars worth, AU) was getting 70-80 FPS on balanced settings and has also reported a substantial FPS lose after LU43, his has taken a much bigger decrease and is down to 40 - 50 fps. My entire guild is suffering from the exact same issues, it is alot more apparent to people who group constantly in the new area's like all RoK zones.</p><p> Besides that, I never get packet lose, yes I run with my new F11 window open constantly, I also live in Australia and always have 220 - 350 ping, it is the nature of the beast, but again, this does not effect your FPS.</p><p> There is alot of people posting about this same issue on various other forums which has been happening since LU43, again this might not even be related to the low memory mode, but if it is I would love a toggle switch please</p>

[Elorah]

Hmmm.   The Techies in Yellow seem to think that is what is causing my low FPS spikes...It was just a thought.  I suppose that you werent looking for help, just giving a suggestion then....

[TSR-TrevorG]

Generally speaking a low FPS does not mean a high latency time.  If you stand on one spot and spin around, do you skip about like a slide show, or does it go smoothly around?

[-Aonein-]

<cite>TSR-TrevorG wrote:</cite><blockquote>Generally speaking a low FPS does not mean a high latency time.  If you stand on one spot and spin around, do you skip about like a slide show, or does it go smoothly around?</blockquote><p> Standing on the docks in BB, looking at the wall I have 20 FPS, jumping from roughly 400 - 900 BP/s with a ping of 290 - 350, no packet lose. Balanced settings.</p><p> Spinning around in a circle drops too 9 - 11 FPS, 1100 - 1300 BP/s consistantly with a ping of 290 - 350, again, no packet lose. Balanced Settings.</p><p> Standing on the docks in Gorowyn above the Griffon Trainer, looking towards Gorowyn getting 10 FPS, averaging 400 - 900 BP/s, 290 - 350 ping. Balanced settings.</p><p> Spinning in a circle getting 7 - 10 FPS, 1200 - 1600 BP/s, 290 - 350 ping, balanced settings.</p><p> System spec's are:</p><p> Pentium 4 3 gigz prescott 800FSB CPU, 2 gig of ram, 7800 GS AGP version. Yes I havent upgraded to a dual core system or a PCI express mobo, but most of my guild has dual cores and 8xxx series video cards and still having same issues, some have even gone out and purchased new ram to see if it is thier systems and some have even reverted back to XP pro from Vista and still have same issues. Like I said, was having no issues getting 20 - 30 FPS before LU43 in all zones consistantly and getting a easy 25 - 30 in a raid, now its just died and after doing a massive amount of trouble shooting for the last month refuse to believe it is my comp or others comps, like I also said, Task Manager > Processors = 18 with EQ2 running.........anyone else run a system this clean?</p><p> Obviously it isn't spinning fluidly because of the low frames per second, had I have above 30 it would spin fluid like, I understand what your talking about too in reguards to what I should be looking for.</p><p> This is a serious issue when raiding, even on the highest performance settings and every scrolled to the left or switched off, my entire guild suffers from the same issue, raiding has seriously been the suck since LU43, SoH and most RoK raiding instances is just a massive lag fest on its own. Even group instances are very laggy.</p><p> Strange thing is I can goto the older zones like Nek forest on the docks with my graphic settings all the way down and get 50 - 60 FPS. If I goto any RoK zones and it drops to 15 - 20. No clue what you guys have done to RoK zones to achieve this, but its becoming very very frustrating. </p><p> Majority of my guild now has ran the same test in RoK zones and out and all having the same issue, seems to be a massive difference between old world zones and new zones in reguards to something using resources.</p><p> The reason I bring this up is because it generates button lag or you miss clicking the button altogether, nothing worse then people relying on you in a group and having extremely low FPS causing you to miss a mezz, taunt or heal and wiping the raid/group because of it.</p>

[Panzzzzer]

I'm experiencing the same exact problem, i used to run at 30 fps even while running my 2 accounts, now i get like 15 at MOST and when fighting it's usually 4-5 fps, it's becoming a real issue...Could we please have the option to desactivate this mode please?And yes i can also confirm this, i experienced this loss of performances just after LU44 went live, and updating drivers changed nothing to this.I'm also not the only one from my guild having those problems, the other day in korsha, half of the raid was complaining about low fps.Edit - I Meant LU 44, the last one, sorry.

[Elorah]

Well, being that you both state that the issue began after GU 43, I can't see how the memory mode change did it as that came with GU 44 a month after you began having difficulties (unless you both are mistaken when this began)....

[fergie]

Well i dont know how old this is but i can say that your Video card looks to be the problem.Your Low FPS is because of rendering issues and isnt generally caused by higher pings. That is called Lag.Im not sure what card you have (video card) you told us your chipset. But it seems with the GS tag on it you have 128bit memory interface. which could be the cause of the low FPS.I have a AMD XP 3200 barton, MSI Geforce FX 5950 ultra and a gig of 3200 ram. I run with Extreme graphics and i just turn off shadows and specular lighting then drop the amount of high quality chars to half of the normal and i run about 35-40 Frames while grouping and soloing. in cities in the 20s

[TSR-DanielH]

I'm going to forward your concerns on to the developers.  Meanwhile, if you'd like to post your DXdiag and MSinfo we can check to see if anything else might be causing the issue.

[-Aonein-]

<cite>Elorah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, being that you both state that the issue began after GU 43, I can't see how the memory mode change did it as that came with GU 44 a month after you began having difficulties (unless you both are mistaken when this began)....</blockquote> Thats my bad I could of swore that the Low memory mode was released in LU43, ethier way, it happen'd in the last month.

[-Aonein-]

<cite>fergie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well i dont know how old this is but i can say that your Video card looks to be the problem.Your Low FPS is because of rendering issues and isnt generally caused by higher pings. That is called Lag.Im not sure what card you have (video card) you told us your chipset. But it seems with the GS tag on it you have 128bit memory interface. which could be the cause of the low FPS.I have a AMD XP 3200 barton, MSI Geforce FX 5950 ultra and a gig of 3200 ram. I run with Extreme graphics and i just turn off shadows and specular lighting then drop the amount of high quality chars to half of the normal and i run about 35-40 Frames while grouping and soloing. in cities in the 20s</blockquote><p> Well considering your still using a FX model and mine is a 7xxx series should speak for itself if you are well versed with GPU technology and how shader effects work etc etc. Also, mine is a BFG version 7800 GS which is actually a dumbed down version of the PCI express version 7800 GT to make it compatable with AGP machines, basically the best AGP card you can get, and has 256bit interface with 512 memory. In any case, your GPU does almost nothing for this game except for shader effects <b><u>IF</u></b> your card supports it, which your FX series does not.</p><p> Like the both of us have stated already, we were getting resonably good FPS before LU44 (25 - 40 in group or raid), now its drop to nothing for some unknown reason.</p>

[-Aonein-]

<cite>TSR-DanielH wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm going to forward your concerns on to the developers.  Meanwhile, if you'd like to post your DXdiag and MSinfo we can check to see if anything else might be causing the issue.</blockquote><p> Thank you TSR-DanielH, I could go ahead and post those things, but as I said, Task Manager > Processors = 18 total when running EQ2 should speak for itself, your going to see what you would normally see on a fresh installation of XP pro, plus what ever update drivers one has installed which as of Monday this week, I have all upto date drivers for everything in my machine, not that there is many upto date drivers because my system is officially not supported for driver support anymore except the GPU.</p><p> Kind of strange that you guys release SoH and everyone in two peoples guids from different servers are having low FPS because of something don't you think?</p><p> I also use a G15 keyboard and my System monitor shows that my CPU usuage is constantly 50 - 60% and my Ram sits at 74 - 76%. Where before the change in LU44 my ram would sit as low as 30%, CPU usage stayed the same. So what ever has happened has increased my ram usage by 40%..........</p>

[-Aonein-]

<p> Ok, after doing some testing periods, my Ram usuage after LU44 has increased 10 fold, running around Gorowyn my ram usuage is at 94 - 98%. Same can be said about any other zone in RoK, even if I turn my settings all the way down to abosolute bare min and stare at the ground it still uses up 94 - 98% of my ram.</p><p> Again, for people who understand this, Task Manager > Processors = 18, before the LU44 change my ram usuage was roughly 30% with EQ2 running, now it is dipping anywhere between 2 and 3 times the amount.</p>

[-Aonein-]

 Ok, just logging in for the first time today after system has been switched off for the past 12 hours. Cold reboot, logged into Gorowyn, ram usuage went from 7% on Desktop to 87% in game.........not sure what you guys did last patch but its chewing up all my ram.

[fergie]

<cite>-Aonein- wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>fergie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well i dont know how old this is but i can say that your Video card looks to be the problem.Your Low FPS is because of rendering issues and isnt generally caused by higher pings. That is called Lag.Im not sure what card you have (video card) you told us your chipset. But it seems with the GS tag on it you have 128bit memory interface. which could be the cause of the low FPS.I have a AMD XP 3200 barton, MSI Geforce FX 5950 ultra and a gig of 3200 ram. I run with Extreme graphics and i just turn off shadows and specular lighting then drop the amount of high quality chars to half of the normal and i run about 35-40 Frames while grouping and soloing. in cities in the 20s</blockquote><p> Well considering your still using a FX model and mine is a 7xxx series should speak for itself if you are well versed with GPU technology and how shader effects work etc etc. Also, mine is a BFG version 7800 GS which is actually a dumbed down version of the PCI express version 7800 GT to make it compatable with AGP machines, basically the best AGP card you can get, and has 256bit interface with 512 memory. In any case, your GPU does almost nothing for this game except for shader effects <b><u>IF</u></b> your card supports it, which your FX series does not.</p><p> Like the both of us have stated already, we were getting resonably good FPS before LU44 (25 - 40 in group or raid), now its drop to nothing for some unknown reason.</p></blockquote>Actually no your wrong....My card is still one of the best AGP cards on the market. That is one of the reasons it still sells for about 400 dollars. And that would also have alot to do with the fact that i run with the top setting in game and have way more FPS than  you do when you are on balanced or below im sure. The fact that you claim the FX series does not support this game shows how **** you truly are since my card was the top of the line when the game came out. This card came out May of the same year this game was released and was out when this game was going through Beta. you have a bad version of the 7 series. i however have the top of the line of the FX series.Sorry i wont call you dumb like that....

[-Aonein-]

<cite>fergie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>-Aonein- wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>fergie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well i dont know how old this is but i can say that your Video card looks to be the problem.Your Low FPS is because of rendering issues and isnt generally caused by higher pings. That is called Lag.Im not sure what card you have (video card) you told us your chipset. But it seems with the GS tag on it you have 128bit memory interface. which could be the cause of the low FPS.I have a AMD XP 3200 barton, MSI Geforce FX 5950 ultra and a gig of 3200 ram. I run with Extreme graphics and i just turn off shadows and specular lighting then drop the amount of high quality chars to half of the normal and i run about 35-40 Frames while grouping and soloing. in cities in the 20s</blockquote><p> Well considering your still using a FX model and mine is a 7xxx series should speak for itself if you are well versed with GPU technology and how shader effects work etc etc. Also, mine is a BFG version 7800 GS which is actually a dumbed down version of the PCI express version 7800 GT to make it compatable with AGP machines, basically the best AGP card you can get, and has 256bit interface with 512 memory. In any case, your GPU does almost nothing for this game except for shader effects <b><u>IF</u></b> your card supports it, which your FX series does not.</p><p> Like the both of us have stated already, we were getting resonably good FPS before LU44 (25 - 40 in group or raid), now its drop to nothing for some unknown reason.</p></blockquote>Actually no your wrong....My card is still one of the best AGP cards on the market. That is one of the reasons it still sells for about 400 dollars. And that would also have alot to do with the fact that i run with the top setting in game and have way more FPS than  you do when you are on balanced or below im sure. The fact that you claim the FX series does not support this game shows how **** you truly are since my card was the top of the line when the game came out. This card came out May of the same year this game was released and was out when this game was going through Beta. you have a bad version of the 7 series. i however have the top of the line of the FX series.Sorry i wont call you dumb like that....</blockquote><p> I seriously do not know how to take this post, is it a joke? Or are you that clueless about how old the FX series is? It doesn't even compaire to a 7800 GS just in <b><u>architexture</u></b> alone.........and 400 dollars???????????????? You sir are smoking crack, you can't even do a search for these cards and find them on <a href="http://www.newegg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.newegg.com</a> or <a href="http://www.tigerdirect.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.tigerdirect.com</a>, do you know what this means? obsulete my friend. Sorry to tell you this, but you do not run with max'd out graphics in the game with this card OR that CPU, your lack of knowledge in the GPU architexture department pretty much calls you a liar. Also, The 6 series was released the year this game went live also, so whats your point? the only reason they released a 5950 model was because people were still upgrading and like most Nvidia updates, the FX series was thier previous series and they capped it out with the 5950 model.</p><p> You realize you can buy a 9800 GTX for 299 bux right? Why would anyone in thier god given right mind, pay 400 bux for a obsulete technology that is 5 years old?????</p><p> Here these might help:</p><p><a href="http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=4&l4=0&model=258&modelmenu=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l...258&modelmenu=2</a></p><p><a href="http://www.msicomputer.com/pressrelease/fx5950_pressrelease.asp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.msicomputer.com/pressrel...ressrelease.asp</a></p><p><a href="http://www.bfgtech.com/aslm5950u.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.bfgtech.com/aslm5950u.aspx</a></p><p><a href="http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr78256gsoc.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr78256gsoc.aspx</a></p><p> Hate to tell you this, but I used to use the FX 5700 ultra series card like 5 years ago, MSI do not even show what cards they had for this or even support it any more........., thats how far behind in GPU technology you are.........I also hate to tell you this, but you realise that your CPU does most of the graphical work for EQ2 right? Which is why you are not running top settings in game with that CPU.....</p><p> Anyway, I am not here for a [Removed for Content] contest, you think FX series is great, more power to you. Now back to the issues at hand.</p>

[TaleraRis]

What's running in your Startup? I was having 2 and 3 FPS in North Qeynos tonight just trying to do the new Blight stuff. I took a peek at my Startup. My computer hasn't lagged any starting up, but there was a lot going on there. Some things I hadn't realized were in there, like some iPod junk that I found out installed with my Quicktime update, some old residual services for things I no longer need, etc. Now that I've cleaned it out, I'm getting 30 FPS on Balanced in NQ, which is good for me on a GeForce 6200 card and a massive improvement over the framerate I was getting before I disabled those things from running at bootup and restarted my computer.

[Hamervelder]

My performance decreased after the low-memory usage went live as well.  I run Vista 32-bit, Athlon 64 4800, 2 gigs of ram, and an X1550 512mb video card.  I used to be able to walk around West Freeport in Very High detail, at about 35 FPS.  Now I'm lucky to average 15 doing the same thing.

[TSR-TrevorG]

I'll be running some tests and post my home system specs later on this week.  I do not think I have any raids lined up myself this week, as I am heading out of town this weekend.  We normally raid T1 zones, and SoH weekly.I am not noticing any big hits myself currently.

[-Aonein-]

<cite>Uros@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>My performance decreased after the low-memory usage went live as well.  I run Vista 32-bit, Athlon 64 4800, 2 gigs of ram, and an X1550 512mb video card.  I used to be able to walk around West Freeport in Very High detail, at about 35 FPS.  Now I'm lucky to average 15 doing the same thing.</blockquote><p> It is doing something to people who have 2 gig of ram, majority of my guild has 2 gig with a very select few having 4, the people with 4 gig are not having this issue, while everyone with 2 gig after LU44 is having this same issue.</p><p> I did some asking around on my server in reguards to this just in general ooc channels 70 - 79 and 80 channels and almost everyone with 2 gig is having the exact same issue, why there isn't a post about this here is beyond me, but I did find some posts reguarding this same issue on the gameplay section.</p><p> In reguards to what is running in my startup, nothing, 18 processors running with EQ2 being one, 17 if I switch of ventrilo, which does nothing for my performance. This comp I use for EQ2, only plays EQ2, it doesn't go near the internet in any other form what so ever, if I need to update a driver, I have a seperate system that I download it onto, copy it to a disk and upload it that way, I keep this system mickey mouse.</p>

[Cassea]

FYIThe Nvidia "FX" cards are "technically" defective in DX9 games.A quick history:Years ago Nvidia "guessed" that the up and coming DX9 requirements would need 32bit precision calculations. DX8 only needed 16bit. Nvidia and ATI were at the table with Microsoft and they were all developing the up and coming DX9 specs. For some reason Nvidia walked from the table and thinking the specs were done they committed their "FX" cards (5200,5600,5800) before the DX9 spec was released.Turns out that ATI convinced Microsoft that 32bit was still too slow with the present tech and got Microsoft to change the spec to 24bit calculations so the final specs are:DX8 = 16bit calculationsDX9 = 24bit calculationsNvidia's FX cards only support 16 or 32bit and since 32bit alot slower than 24bit this is why ATI (with the 9600,9700 and 9800 cards) wiped the floor with the FX cards. The Nvidia FX cards were so slow in fact that the ATI 9600's, costing half as much, often were faster in DX9 over the much more expensive Nvidia 5800 cards.Nvidia tried to fix some of this by adding some features to the 5700 and 5900 cards but they could never overcome the 32-bit limitations.So no matter what you do a FX card will always be slow in DX9 games.... in DX8 they are actually nice cards.This is all pretty silly talk considering that the FX cards are from 2003!For less than the cost of a video game you can have a card that is 3x+ faster so why run an old, slow FX card?-JBP.S. Look at these old VGA charts:<a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/vga-charts-vii,1070-4.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...vii,1070-4.html</a>The "top of the line" $400 (5+ years ago) Nvidia 5950 "FX" runs slower than the then priced $150ish ATI 9600 Pro!Yes those FX cards are that bad in DX9

[Brook]

Dont mean to be rude but really this post isn't about who's card does what and when.It IS about very low performance since the low mem application was put in game. I am another one who was affected by this bug and would love the option to disable it.My system is kind of old. Xp2600, 2gig ram, ATI 1650pro with 512ram..... I would say its my systems fault but I havent changed anything on my end until my performance took a major hit. I have been running with custom game settings that worked before and I have switched things down to play dough toons tried removing extra sounds, no particle effects etc... NOTHING has made any difference whatsoever in improving performance. It runs just as bad with everything turned low as it does with stuff turned up.What I have noticed is that it seems to be utilizing ram tons more and hitting the hardrive quite excessively every 5-6 secs when moving or turning and any new graphics have to be drawn or anything is going on that changes, even when the music starts playing in a zone I notice.Also have noticed getting double sounds for some things once in a while and have had 2 crashes in TD around green overlook about 15 minutes apart. First one rebooted system and second locked up the computer and I noticed a screech sound durring both crashes. My system has never liked green overlook for some reason but with the poor performance now I keep my fingers crossed moving around there.