Brawler have been saved, now save crusader, here is how : [Archive]

Ashdaren

05-06-2008, 06:31 AM

History I remmeber the time when brawler were in the very same situtation as crusader now, not good enough at doing damage to be a dpser, not good enough tank to MT over a plate tank. Sony did solve it on both way, brawler are now on top of the DPS chain and they can actually tank now! they get +25% mitig buff on their armor + their natural round shield and avoidance skills + situational buff.It took a lot of time, enough for me to retire from the game completly whereas I was one of the top bruiser on my server from beta to KOS...Don't think it was always like this, brawler used to be in the middle like crusader are now, though worse at tanking and yet better at dps than crusaders now.Some might point they ain't raid MT still, but they arguably tank really good and if it was not for their taunt being geared for single target they would be the best instance tank.Still they outdps scout, stun ect.The root of the problem as of today So now what crusader really miss? they have pitifull DPS and not enough tank buff.Simply put as we ain't raid MT nor any better than brawler we should get dps as high, they get stun + some heal, we get good heals but interuptable spells...TankingAs for tanking, even our tanking stance is the worst of it all, wisdom instead of parry/deflection? how can that even work. We have great anti death spells, but nothing to actually make us reliable tank. It is like when we were comparng great avoidance to great mitig. Constness always win. We lack intrinsic tanking buff.DamageSk damage used to be ok, but since T8 it is just pitifull. Min/max Warriors outdps us completly it is not because they get dual weild and while we don't, it is actually because they get high DPS skills / self BuffBrawler are doing insanely more damage than SK and while I don't think we should do as much since we might actually get fixed as a tank.I expect crusader do be able to a lot of damage to be desirable in group and raid situation. This is especially true fo SK who don"t heal/buff group members.In one word, raise the SPELL / ART DMG, don't give us special good stuff, it is the class which is in need, not the inventorySK and Pally.On the matter of tanking attribute it is worse for SK since paladin at least have +shield AA and the best "tanking" epic ever.For healing, they get really good heal/ward that can be cast on group members, while our drain heal for 400 at lvl 80??Now I have to say I have faith in that the developer will fix SK and crusader in general as good as they did for brawlers and coercer recently. I just hope I won't have quit the game like many in the meantime...Mortigan 80 SK Nagafen

evilgamer

05-06-2008, 01:05 PM

Brawlers are top tier DPS and out damage scouts?I dont know what kind of scouts you have been playing with (cept bards, but they are really more of a utility class then dps) but my bruiser can do nice burst dps, but outdamage scouts, no.I think you are mistaken if you think people take brawlers on raids for DPS, the 1 raid spot they generally get (almost always a monk too) is more for FD flopping and scouting then DPS.Actually in group encoutners SK dps > brawler dpsI have both a bruiser and SK.The bruiser does better against solo mobs, the sks does better against encounters.The brusier is a bit better solo, the sk tanks better for groups.