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05-01-2008, 11:09 AM

BANK<ul><li>On all servers:Banks how have four extra slots for a total of twelve bank slots per character.Shared banks now have four extra slots for a total of eight shared bank slots per account.Shared banks now allow you to share coin between characters on the same account.Exiled characters continue to be unable to use shared banks with other characters on the same account. </li><li>On PVE servers:Shared banks are now shared between good and evil characters on the same account.If you have all four slots filled in both good and evil shared banks currently, they will be combined into a new eight slot shared bank.Both coin and items can be shared with characters on the same account regardless of alignment. </li><li>On PVP servers:Shared banks are still alignment based. However we have added four extra slots to each alignment's shared bank (for a total of eight shared bank slots per alignment) and the ability to share coin between characters of the same alignment on one account.</li></ul>FFS just make the banks the same for PVP servers! Why do PVP players have to risk switching items on the blackmarket while PVE people do not?!?!?!!?!

Rashaak

05-01-2008, 11:14 AM

<cite>Took@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>BANK<ul><li>On all servers:Banks how have four extra slots for a total of twelve bank slots per character.Shared banks now have four extra slots for a total of eight shared bank slots per account.Shared banks now allow you to share coin between characters on the same account.Exiled characters continue to be unable to use shared banks with other characters on the same account. </li><li>On PVE servers:Shared banks are now shared between good and evil characters on the same account.If you have all four slots filled in both good and evil shared banks currently, they will be combined into a new eight slot shared bank.Both coin and items can be shared with characters on the same account regardless of alignment. </li><li>On PVP servers:Shared banks are still alignment based. However we have added four extra slots to each alignment's shared bank (for a total of eight shared bank slots per alignment) and the ability to share coin between characters of the same alignment on one account.</li></ul>FFS just make the banks the same for PVP servers! Why do PVP players have to risk switching items on the blackmarket while PVE people do not?!?!?!!?!</blockquote>Um....because your on PvP where alignment ACTUALLY means something?

pikeymoose

05-01-2008, 11:25 AM

On AB server Mail works.

Rashaak

05-01-2008, 11:28 AM

<cite>pikeymoose wrote:</cite><blockquote>On AB server Mail works.</blockquote>AB isn't a Player vs Player so of course mail works. On PvP they can not use mail to send stuff to toons of different alignments

Kitsune286

05-01-2008, 11:35 AM

Easy.Its a PvP server, and the rules are different there. Get used to it. =)

Dasein

05-01-2008, 12:33 PM

Why are PvP players even allowed to have characters of different factions on the same account on the same server?

Troubor

05-01-2008, 01:11 PM

<cite>Took@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>BANK<ul><li>On all servers:Banks how have four extra slots for a total of twelve bank slots per character.Shared banks now have four extra slots for a total of eight shared bank slots per account.Shared banks now allow you to share coin between characters on the same account.Exiled characters continue to be unable to use shared banks with other characters on the same account. </li><li>On PVE servers:Shared banks are now shared between good and evil characters on the same account.If you have all four slots filled in both good and evil shared banks currently, they will be combined into a new eight slot shared bank.Both coin and items can be shared with characters on the same account regardless of alignment. </li><li>On PVP servers:Shared banks are still alignment based. However we have added four extra slots to each alignment's shared bank (for a total of eight shared bank slots per alignment) and the ability to share coin between characters of the same alignment on one account.</li></ul>FFS just make the banks the same for PVP servers! Why do PVP players have to risk switching items on the blackmarket while PVE people do not?!?!?!!?!</blockquote>Well...PvP has always had this artificial division of "allignments", it's just following through on that. I guess I just don't see the complaint really. But then again, without trying to flame PvP, I also have never seen the appeal of it.

koemoejoe

05-01-2008, 02:19 PM

most of you do not seem to play on a pvp server i see that and thats ok but please if you do not play on are servers please stay out of thisi have toons on freeport side qeynos side and my main is exile i have to buy tradeskill fuel and send it over the black market to give my other toons cash witch is vary bogus since claver folks have bots set up to scan the market looking for under priced things i have lost many items to these bots yes this maybe player vs player out side of the cities but why does it have to be player vs player on the broker also?if your not going to give us every class for every city please free up are banker slots so we no longer have to play the is the bot going to screw us gameno one cares other then SoE about the faction dividing and a few RPers take a pvp poll about this and your see most the server has toons on all three sides any way half the folks i kill on a day to day bases i'm friends within short please stop making the only real winners out of no shared bank slots on pvp between factions the bots!!!!!!!

Troubor

05-01-2008, 02:33 PM

<cite>koemoejoe wrote this, I reply within it in red:</cite><blockquote>most of you do not seem to play on a pvp server i see that and thats ok but please if you do not play on are servers please stay out of this(People on both PvP and PvE servers will comment on this, and some of the comments will be ones you don't like, from both PvP and PvE servers. Not trying to start a fight, but there's only one way to get people to "stay out of it". Don't post. When I post, I don't expect everyone to agree with me.)i have toons on freeport side qeynos side and my main is exile i have to buy tradeskill fuel and send it over the black market to give my other toons cash witch is vary bogus since claver folks have bots set up to scan the market looking for under priced things i have lost many items to these bots (So..if I understand this, you're complaining that people have found a way to exploit your exploit of getting around the seperate allignments of PvP. Exile sells fuel, albeit at a higher cost (I think) then Freeport or Qeynos, right? You're just trying to find a way to have your exile character pay for fuel at the Qeynos/Freeport price. Exile on both PvE and PvP servers should have some hinderances...you're someone who's intentionally decided to forsake your home city/homeland. Or to put it another way, you decided to make your character in effect homeless by becoming an exile and moving to "Haven", a big cave. You actually expect services for the same price too?)yes this maybe player vs player out side of the cities but why does it have to be player vs player on the broker also? (You're the one trying to get around the PvP allignment restrictions via black market trading)if your not going to give us every class for every city please free up are banker slots so we no longer have to play the is the bot going to screw us game (Again, you know the risks. You knew them (I presume) when you rolled on a PvP server too)no one cares other then SoE about the faction dividing and a few RPers take a pvp poll about this and your see most the server has toons on all three sides any way half the folks i kill on a day to day bases i'm friends with (Then find a game that doesn't have the odd faction divisions in PvP? I actually think it's pretty artificial and if anything breaks immersion and hurts RP overall. But it's how they set it up, and again you either knew this when you rolled on a PvP server, or figured it out pretty quickly. IMO PvP should have MORE of a price. Make every NPC killable..make no area safe. You want PvP...make it so some Freeport citizen can go straight into Qeynos Harbor, and if he can survive the guards and the Qeynos players trying to kill him to get rid of him, he can kill every NPC, they don't spawn back for 24 hours. Make it so a Qeynos character can do the same in Freeport. You want "war", there's your war. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )in short please stop making the only real winners out of no shared bank slots on pvp between factions the bots!!!!!!!(Then don't use the black market to try to circumvent the restrictions put on PvP..then the "bots" won't win.)</blockquote>

Bloodfa

05-01-2008, 02:34 PM

<cite>Dasein wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why are PvP players even allowed to have characters of different factions on the same account on the same server?</blockquote>To favor the exiles. Sheesh, get with the program, you should know this by now. Does an attempt at amusing sarcasm count as trolling? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

grymmstone

05-01-2008, 03:00 PM

LOL... so you are [Removed for Content] about getting four more shared slots per alignment too I bet /sarcasm off. PVE players are getting 4 shared slots total.

koemoejoe

05-01-2008, 03:14 PM

<cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>koemoejoe wrote this, I reply within it in red:</cite><blockquote>most of you do not seem to play on a pvp server i see that and thats ok but please if you do not play on are servers please stay out of this(People on both PvP and PvE servers will comment on this, and some of the comments will be ones you don't like, from both PvP and PvE servers. Not trying to start a fight, but there's only one way to get people to "stay out of it". Don't post. When I post, I don't expect everyone to agree with me.)thats just fine and dandy but what kind of constructive argument or opinion can any one who don't play on these servers have? i have toons on freeport side qeynos side and my main is exile i have to buy tradeskill fuel and send it over the black market to give my other toons cash witch is vary bogus since claver folks have bots set up to scan the market looking for under priced things i have lost many items to these bots (So..if I understand this, you're complaining that people have found a way to exploit your exploit of getting around the seperate allignments of PvP. Exile sells fuel, albeit at a higher cost (I think) then Freeport or Qeynos, right? You're just trying to find a way to have your exile character pay for fuel at the Qeynos/Freeport price. Exile on both PvE and PvP servers should have some hinderances...you're someone who's intentionally decided to forsake your home city/homeland. Or to put it another way, you decided to make your character in effect homeless by becoming an exile and moving to "Haven", a big cave. You actually expect services for the same price too?)it's not an exploit nothing in the ToS says any thing about being able to sell under priced things on the brokers and then rebuying them on other toons on the other hand there is plenty about the use of bots!!!!you own your argument is week at bestyes this maybe player vs player out side of the cities but why does it have to be player vs player on the broker also? (You're the one trying to get around the PvP allignment restrictions via black market trading)look i would understand if it wear players that just happin to see your warez on the broker and buying them but it's not it's bots thats a ToS agreement and SoE don't seem to want to do any thing about the botsif your not going to give us every class for every city please free up are banker slots so we no longer have to play the is the bot going to screw us game (Again, you know the risks. You knew them (I presume) when you rolled on a PvP server too)those are not risks those are ToS agreement brakers no no one knew that SoE would stand by and watch there servers be trashed by botters and exploited by hackers how could they? what companey would let this type of stuff go on? WoW bans you the min you try this kind of crap on there servers (for the record i hate wow)no one cares other then SoE about the faction dividing and a few RPers take a pvp poll about this and your see most the server has toons on all three sides any way half the folks i kill on a day to day bases i'm friends with (Then find a game that doesn't have the odd faction divisions in PvP? I actually think it's pretty artificial and if anything breaks immersion and hurts RP overall. But it's how they set it up, and again you either knew this when you rolled on a PvP server, or figured it out pretty quickly. IMO PvP should have MORE of a price. Make every NPC killable..make no area safe. You want PvP...make it so some Freeport citizen can go straight into Qeynos Harbor, and if he can survive the guards and the Qeynos players trying to kill him to get rid of him, he can kill every NPC, they don't spawn back for 24 hours. Make it so a Qeynos character can do the same in Freeport. You want "war", there's your war. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> )at lest me and you agee on a few things WAR hear i come 10/08 and yes division of factions is and was a bad idea as far as leaving the game right now it would be impossible there is no other game built in a everquest 2 style with pvp out other then EQ1 but thats a dead horse i enjoy this style of pvp with out all the divisions in short please stop making the only real winners out of no shared bank slots on pvp between factions the bots!!!!!!!(Then don't use the black market to try to circumvent the restrictions put on PvP..then the "bots" won't win.)as far as circumventing the restrictions on pvp goes they should not be present in the first place but the truth of the matter is SoE gave us a black market so we could sell are goods to the other side so what if it happens to be me who buys my own stuff from the other side? BTW other then with a bot it would be nearly impossible to get my stuff before i did since it's only on the broker a max of 3 sec before i already have it just incase your going to make a comment like that</blockquote></blockquote>

Gehn2

05-01-2008, 03:18 PM

Ok I truely hope this is a joke post... What on a pvp server is cross alignment? Absolutely nothing lol... Why would this be any different... PVP is a different rule set... It encompasses the whole server, not just parts of it... PVE != PVP... So I don't see what the arguement is here... Sorry bud, but its not going to happen. As to the person who is complaining about not being able to give money between alignments... easy fix... DON'T PLAY MORE THAN ONE ALIGNMENT =ppppp They have the rules set up this way for a reason, I don't think they care how much you WANT it... it goes against the actual core PVP idea in this game. If you can share banks, why nto be able to talk to one another... Why not open the mailing up to all alignments... Why not make it just like the PVE server, so its exactly the same, just can be killed while questing and doing stuff on one server, and the other not =P lol... This cracks me up GL to you and your beef!

Troubor

05-01-2008, 03:36 PM

<cite>koemoejoe wrote, I pick red again to reply. Hope this doesn't confuse things:</cite><blockquote><cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>koemoejoe wrote this, I reply within it in red:</cite><blockquote>most of you do not seem to play on a pvp server i see that and thats ok but please if you do not play on are servers please stay out of this(People on both PvP and PvE servers will comment on this, and some of the comments will be ones you don't like, from both PvP and PvE servers. Not trying to start a fight, but there's only one way to get people to "stay out of it". Don't post. When I post, I don't expect everyone to agree with me.)thats just fine and dandy but what kind of constructive argument or opinion can any one who don't play on these servers have? (My reply to Koemoejoe: Well, the PvP server rules can be viewed by anyone for starters. How can anyone decide if PvP is for them unless they have at least a basic idea of how it works on a PvP server? Again, if you don't want comments, there's only one way to avoid it)i have toons on freeport side qeynos side and my main is exile i have to buy tradeskill fuel and send it over the black market to give my other toons cash witch is vary bogus since claver folks have bots set up to scan the market looking for under priced things i have lost many items to these bots (So..if I understand this, you're complaining that people have found a way to exploit your exploit of getting around the seperate allignments of PvP. Exile sells fuel, albeit at a higher cost (I think) then Freeport or Qeynos, right? You're just trying to find a way to have your exile character pay for fuel at the Qeynos/Freeport price. Exile on both PvE and PvP servers should have some hinderances...you're someone who's intentionally decided to forsake your home city/homeland. Or to put it another way, you decided to make your character in effect homeless by becoming an exile and moving to "Haven", a big cave. You actually expect services for the same price too?)it's not an exploit nothing in the ToS says any thing about being able to sell under priced things on the brokers and then rebuying them on other toons on the other hand there is plenty about the use of bots!!!!you own your argument is week at best(My reply back: Maybe Exploit was the wrong term per-se, but you are possibly going around what was intended IMO. True exploit or not, you're complaining that you can't work around the allignment system. A system you presumably knew about when you picked a PvP server. If not, one you learned about pretty quickly I'd assume.As for the risks, using a BOT to do such is possibly bannable yes. But what if some of them aren't using bots? Even if all of them are, if they stopped using bots and then just watched the broker pages manually, and sometimes bought your underpriced items you're pricing low in an attempt to transfer them, what then? Only thing they seem to be doing wrong is using a bot. You're taking the risk of using this method to transfer items. With that, comes the risk that someone will buy it before you can swap characters or go to your other account and buy your own item. Is what they are doing underhanded, yes. But other then a BOT, they aren't breaking the rules if you're not breaking the rules to use the broker to try to transfer items. SOE should police these bots, sure. But past that how are they breaking the rules?)yes this maybe player vs player out side of the cities but why does it have to be player vs player on the broker also? (You're the one trying to get around the PvP allignment restrictions via black market trading)look i would understand if it wear players that just happin to see your warez on the broker and buying them but it's not it's bots thats a ToS agreement and SoE don't seem to want to do any thing about the bots(So...it's only the bots you have issues with? You almost contradict yourself here. I'll ask this. If SOE made it impossible to use the bots, would it then be okay for them to buy items out from under you when you're trying to use the broker to transfer things? Or would you still consider this bad?)if your not going to give us every class for every city please free up are banker slots so we no longer have to play the is the bot going to screw us game (Again, you know the risks. You knew them (I presume) when you rolled on a PvP server too)those are not risks those are ToS agreement brakers no no one knew that SoE would stand by and watch there servers be trashed by botters and exploited by hackers how could they? what companey would let this type of stuff go on? WoW bans you the min you try this kind of crap on there servers (for the record i hate wow)(Other then BOTS, that ARE the risks. You almost seem to be saying it would be okay if there weren't the BOTS)no one cares other then SoE about the faction dividing and a few RPers take a pvp poll about this and your see most the server has toons on all three sides any way half the folks i kill on a day to day bases i'm friends with (Then find a game that doesn't have the odd faction divisions in PvP? I actually think it's pretty artificial and if anything breaks immersion and hurts RP overall. But it's how they set it up, and again you either knew this when you rolled on a PvP server, or figured it out pretty quickly. IMO PvP should have MORE of a price. Make every NPC killable..make no area safe. You want PvP...make it so some Freeport citizen can go straight into Qeynos Harbor, and if he can survive the guards and the Qeynos players trying to kill him to get rid of him, he can kill every NPC, they don't spawn back for 24 hours. Make it so a Qeynos character can do the same in Freeport. You want "war", there's your war. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />"> )at lest me and you agee on a few things WAR hear i come 10/08 and yes division of factions is and was a bad idea as far as leaving the game right now it would be impossible there is no other game built in a everquest 2 style with pvp out other then EQ1 but thats a dead horse i enjoy this style of pvp with out all the divisions (Well, I only say division of factions is bad since they didn't go all the way. IMO they should have either 1) made it so there were no division of factions, if some Qeynos player wants to murder another Qeynos player, go for it..he might lose a bunch of faction in Qeynos and/or lose some standing on some leader board, but he can do it or 2) Make it so it's pure war, like I said. Not only the divisions like they did, but one can trash the opposing town, and have it trashed back. One can tear down the city walls. If you can get a x4 raid, go trash Lucan or Antonia Bayle's throne room. But regardless, they did what they did. And again, I point out you knew that when you picked a PvP server here.As for liking it..well, not every aspect will please everyone. There's part of the PvE game I don't like. I dont' expect everything to please ME specfically. But then again, a game that would please me specfically would probably be a game a lot of other people would hate.)in short please stop making the only real winners out of no shared bank slots on pvp between factions the bots!!!!!!!(Then don't use the black market to try to circumvent the restrictions put on PvP..then the "bots" won't win.)as far as circumventing the restrictions on pvp goes they should not be present in the first place (Well..again all you can do is live with it, or pick a game that doesn't have said divisions)but the truth of the matter is SoE gave us a black market so we could sell are goods to the other side so what if it happens to be me who buys my own stuff from the other side?(Maybe so, but you also know the risks. Other then BOTS exploiting said risks, I don't see where you have room to complain)BTW other then with a bot it would be nearly impossible to get my stuff before i did since it's only on the broker a max of 3 sec before i already have it just incase your going to make a comment like that(I'm just repeating myself. Only problem I see, and yes it is bad if such is allowed, is these BOTS you keep bringing up. Other then that..well AGAIN you know the risks.)</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>Anyway, not sure what else I can say. If there are BOTS grabbing items, then that is an exploit PvP or PvE. But other then that, like I keep saying..you know the risks if you're using the broker to transfer items. And you signed onto a PvP server knowing the allignment divisions exist. I guess I don't know what else I can say.As for anyone else who says "Oh, you're not on a PvP server, don't comment". How about this: This thread isn't in the PvP specific area, nor is it on a PvP server's forum. If you honestly don't want non PvP players to comment, it's a poor choice to post in a forum that is dedicated to all forms of playstyle. Having said that, it maybe shows they need a specific "In Testing Feedback: PvP specific" subforum too.

koemoejoe

05-01-2008, 04:34 PM

/edit bug or some thing

koemoejoe

05-01-2008, 04:36 PM

/edit i can't get this post to post for some reason i give up

Warr

05-01-2008, 06:41 PM

I think his point is that having non shared banks from different alignments doesn't provide any addition to enhancing the gameplay. If it were impossible to tranfser money accross the factions then that would be one thing, but since it is possible, it just makes for a stupid middle step to have to be made.Kind of like taking the bells to get from town to town or even out of town. You could always do it, but you had to travel through zones to get to QH or WW or elsewhere to do it whereas now you can do it from any zone. It was just one more step wasting people's time.

Ahlana

05-02-2008, 10:50 AM

<cite>Warren@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think his point is that having non shared banks from different alignments doesn't provide any addition to enhancing the gameplay. If it were impossible to tranfser money accross the factions then that would be one thing, but since it is possible, it just makes for a stupid middle step to have to be made.Kind of like taking the bells to get from town to town or even out of town. You could always do it, but you had to travel through zones to get to QH or WW or elsewhere to do it whereas now you can do it from any zone. It was just one more step wasting people's time.</blockquote>Sadly it is post like this (even though it supports him) that proves that PVE players do not understand the whole PVP aspect.Allowing him or any PVP player to share bank slots lets them completely circumvent the divide. They can easily log on to the opposing side buy whatever they want (thus circumventing the blackmarket fees and such) and merely pop it into their bank. Regardless if the toon is on the same account it is still FP v Q v Exile and it should stay that way.What would be the point of the blackmarket if you could share your bank both ways? There would be no point. None at all. For that matter SOE needs to fix the Gorowyn broker to not be a non-partison selling point. But that is another matter.Simply put, no. You allow shared banks to work like they do on PVE and you lose all divide that the PVP server has. Your two toons are on opposing factions and thus are enemies they do not share things amoungst each other.

Bozidar

05-02-2008, 12:26 PM

Who cares?Wow, it's SOOOO hard to move gold over between sides *rolls eyes*give it a rest, this change is awesome and somehow someone found a way to [Removed for Content]/moan

Warr

05-02-2008, 01:24 PM

lol I only play on a PvP server, never played PvE, so of course I know how it works.The only divide in this game is that of the language and classes. There is no market divide if you're not lazy. Shall I explain?Level 80 pally creates an assasin, assassin gets to level 22 and wants to get twinked out but only has 20g. Person logs back to pally and buy 20 pristine repair materials. Repair material gets put onto the broker for a few copper each. Assassin then buys the repair material off of the TD Broker and turns around and sells it to the merchant thus assassin now has 20p to do what he wants.Maybe said Assassin see's a pally master that he needs. He buys this master then puts it back up for sale for a few copper, logs onto the pally and then buys it from the broker in TG.If an item is for sale on the opposing faction, that person can get the item with the cost of a few copper on top of the item cost if they want to do the extra steps. These said steps do not provide anything to enhance the gameplay, only makes it a risky thing to do unless you have two accts or a friend helping you and wastes a bit of time.

Bozidar

05-02-2008, 01:54 PM

<cite>Warren@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>makes it a risky thing to do </blockquote>BINGO, that's what these servers are all about.can we /close this one now? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Warr

05-02-2008, 05:16 PM

Obviously you spend way too much time on these forums if a post from someone voicing their opinion about a bank issue bothers you, Mr. 4.5k posts. Go troll on another board since you have nothing to offer to this subject other than sarcasm.I for one could careless about it changing on PvP servers. I have 2 accounts so I can get any item to or from any faction within a matter of seconds. Just trying to help put things into perspective for those that do.

Rashaak

05-02-2008, 06:32 PM

<cite>koemoejoe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>koemoejoe wrote this, I reply within it in red:</cite><blockquote>i have toons on freeport side qeynos side and my main is exile i have to buy tradeskill fuel and send it over the black market to give my other toons cash witch is vary bogus since claver folks have bots set up to scan the market looking for under priced things i have lost many items to these bots (So..if I understand this, you're complaining that people have found a way to exploit your exploit of getting around the seperate allignments of PvP. Exile sells fuel, albeit at a higher cost (I think) then Freeport or Qeynos, right? You're just trying to find a way to have your exile character pay for fuel at the Qeynos/Freeport price. Exile on both PvE and PvP servers should have some hinderances...you're someone who's intentionally decided to forsake your home city/homeland. Or to put it another way, you decided to make your character in effect homeless by becoming an exile and moving to "Haven", a big cave. You actually expect services for the same price too?)it's not an exploit nothing in the ToS says any thing about being able to sell under priced things on the brokers and then rebuying them on other toons on the other hand there is plenty about the use of bots!!!!you own your argument is week at best</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>Hrm, actually the rule set for PvP states this little blurb here:Characters from opposing factions will not be able to do any of the following actions: Trade items or coin, send/receive mail (with or without attachments), /duel or /duelbet, purchase items via the broker, or be friends (They are the enemy for a good reason you know).Now...granted the <a href="http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=16271" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ruleset</a> hasn't been updated since Apr 2007, which I believe the Blackmarket was enabled AFTER this...But...yah...using the blackmarket broker to exchange funds, items, etc to your other toons is...well...an exploit until they change the ruleset that is...

koemoejoe

05-03-2008, 06:12 AM

<cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>koemoejoe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>koemoejoe wrote this, I reply within it in red:</cite><blockquote>i have toons on freeport side qeynos side and my main is exile i have to buy tradeskill fuel and send it over the black market to give my other toons cash witch is vary bogus since claver folks have bots set up to scan the market looking for under priced things i have lost many items to these bots (So..if I understand this, you're complaining that people have found a way to exploit your exploit of getting around the seperate allignments of PvP. Exile sells fuel, albeit at a higher cost (I think) then Freeport or Qeynos, right? You're just trying to find a way to have your exile character pay for fuel at the Qeynos/Freeport price. Exile on both PvE and PvP servers should have some hinderances...you're someone who's intentionally decided to forsake your home city/homeland. Or to put it another way, you decided to make your character in effect homeless by becoming an exile and moving to "Haven", a big cave. You actually expect services for the same price too?)it's not an exploit nothing in the ToS says any thing about being able to sell under priced things on the brokers and then rebuying them on other toons on the other hand there is plenty about the use of bots!!!!you own your argument is week at best</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>Hrm, actually the rule set for PvP states this little blurb here:Characters from opposing factions will not be able to do any of the following actions: Trade items or coin, send/receive mail (with or without attachments), /duel or /duelbet, purchase items via the broker, or be friends (They are the enemy for a good reason you know).Now...granted the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=16271" target="_blank">Ruleset</a> hasn't been updated since Apr 2007, which I believe the Blackmarket was enabled AFTER this...But...yah...using the blackmarket broker to exchange funds, items, etc to your other toons is...well...an exploit until they change the ruleset that is... </blockquote>those rules also state How Rewards are Determined Rewards for engaging in and triumphantly winning a PvP conflict vary depending on how the kill took place. Rewards and definitions for kill types follow. Honorable Kills: Any kill of the opposing alignment that was engaged while the target had greater then 50% health. All players that generate at least one point of hate with the victim while the victim’s health is above the honorable kill threshold will be eligible to receive rewards, including experience, status, faction, and the ability to loot item or coin dropped by the other player. Neutral Kills: Any kill of the opposing alignment that was engaged while the target had greater then 20% health. Neutral kills result in moderate faction gain. Dishonorable Kills: Any kill of the opposing alignment that was first engaged while the target had less than 20% health. Dishonorable kills result in a loss of faction with both your alignment and the opposing city’s. Losing enough faction will cause you to fall out of favor with your alignment, and will restrict or remove any access to the rewards system. Note: Dishonorable/Neutral status will be removed if the victim’s health goes above the specified thresholds during the course of the fight. The Kill List: Honorably killing another player will place them on a list tied to your character, designed to reduce friend farming and griefing. Any Honorable subsequent kill of the same player will result in a Neutral kill until you have killed 10 other players. <ul><li>Players will be removed from your list of recent kills after 30 minutes of real time. </li><li>Killing a player already on your recent kills list will move them to the top of the list and reset their timer.</li></ul>hmmmm unless i'm mistaken thats not how it works at all o yea never mind the rules your talking about are no longer vailedas of the black market and RoK you can sell trade and other wise make money off players of other sides the issues with your way of thinking is that your coming from a place of a RPer and the RP aspects of this game have went out the window and have been replaced by half baked ideas like a class like an assassin can't be good many a good guy assassin in the world some are called snipers or how about this there just is no way a coercer can be in this game are just way to evil to be in this game omgnowayzor some one who convinces others to help them out they must be evil so swashie use charm to gain an advantage then they stick the other guy in the back that makes them a good guy? and a brig is a bad guy since he just walks up to the person and pokes them in the back?or how about this one warlocks the spreader of disease and poison among other vile acts are good guys 50% of the time monks are good guys since they do not use brute force and only use marital arts that makes them good?the only case that can be made as far as evil or good goes i would say necros and SKs on the others side pallys and maybe Templars this is over i've rambled on far to long on the final note we the players deside what a mmo game should be as soon as SoE takes that away from us SWG's NGE should be all you need to heartruely there should be 20 neutral classes and two good two evil that is all /edited messed one lill thing up

Path

05-03-2008, 06:36 AM

I find it pretty funny that PvP servers are the only ones who actually do the BIGGEST thing about lore.Qeynos and Freeport at war!lol... They should care about us a little bit more, we are at least carrying out what they say in lores for crying out loud. All other servers could honestly gives 2cp less what Qeynos is doing. And to keep it within the thread limits, I'd like to have a shared bank with the opposite side because some things are cheaper over there, and I don't feel like slapping fuels on my character, running over to Qeynos, and trying to make it back..

nj6030

05-03-2008, 08:44 AM

After seeing this post I am starting to think some people might want to change it so you can talk to others on the other sides. LOL get real should not beable to share between sides it would make it to easy for more scams.

Arphenion

05-03-2008, 03:12 PM

I currently play on both PvE and PvP servers. I understand and accept the mechanics on both servers. I am glad this change was made AS IS for both servers. If you are rolling a Paly and an Assassin on PvP then you need to view them as separate entities until the time comes when you decide to betray one or both of them. Unlike PvE your characters are not linked via your account, they are linked via your alignment. Yes you can play both, but both toons need to be viewed as their own entities. You can risk getting around the alignment restrictions by using the black market, but what is the point? If you want to be able to trade freely between your paly and your assassin, betray both to exile. You still have a mechanism to improve both toons without dealing with the risk of selling an 80 Paly master on the black market for 2 cp. If the issue is wanting to maintain a sense of RP or Lore, then what would make a high level Qeynosian want to sell high level gear that a Freeport Citizen can wear for 2 cp? I just fail to see the argument for why this is a bad idea on a PvP server (which has different rules than PvE for a reason) other than someone not being able to twink out an evil player with a good player's resources or the other way around. Simple fix, if you want to twink your toons, make them the same alignment. If you want to improve both toons, actually play both toons. Keep their resources independent. Occasionally a master, or something that one of your alts of the opposing faction can use, will drop. If you really want to use it, you need to weigh the consequences of either placing it on the broker or betraying to exile.

OutcastBlade

05-03-2008, 03:14 PM

It's funny how the people in this thread that are on the Blue servers seem to have a better idea on why these restrictions are in place than the people on the pvp servers. If I were a dev I'd totally go all DAoC on your [Removed for Content] and make it so you had to pick a side before you could even make a character. Or go all SWG on your [Removed for Content] and make it so you could only have ONE char per server...Think before you post a whi... UHM... constructive... er... criticism. It makes you look clueless otherwise.

Dacies18

05-03-2008, 06:46 PM

the fact that you can go around the rules and manage to do it is not something that SoE should make easier for you. be happy with the more spots in the bank.

Troubor

05-05-2008, 06:49 AM

<cite>koemoejoe wrote, I reply in the post in red:</cite><blockquote>as of the black market and RoK you can sell trade and other wise make money off players of other sides the issues with your way of thinking is that your coming from a place of a RPer and the RP aspects of this game have went out the window (Okay, going to read the rest of this, but no idea how you claim the RP aspects have "went out the window&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and have been replaced by half baked ideas like a class like an assassin can't be good many a good guy assassin in the world some are called snipers (A sniper is NOT an assassin. A sniper is a soldier trained to shoot people from a long distance, usually from concealment. An assassin is a hired murderer. A ranger, using EQ2 game stats, would probably make a better sniper then an EQ2 Assassin. But the ranger, if playing pure good allignment wouldn't take money to murder an important figure, and more likely then not wouldn't play sniper just to be a terrorist. An assassin in EQ2 might. Few if any rangers are contract killers. Few if any snipers in the IRL military are for hire as contract killers. An assassin is.) or how about this there just is no way a coercer can be in this game are just way to evil to be in this game omgnowayzor some one who convinces others to help them out they must be evil (You misunderstand the concept of a coercer. A coercer isn't just "convincing others to help them". A coercer is mentally forcing someone to help them for the coercer's own personal gain. The evil act is the act of mind control, most likely without the victim's permission. THAT is the difference)so swashie use charm to gain an advantage then they stick the other guy in the back that makes them a good guy? (You're mistaking how one CAN use the class abilities with RP again. A swashy might only do this in battle, he won't just be randomly charming/mezzing people the backstabbing them in a back alley. At least some brigands have no problem with this.) and a brig is a bad guy since he just walks up to the person and pokes them in the back?or how about this one warlocks the spreader of disease and poison among other vile acts are good guys 50% of the time (A good alligned warlock wouldn't just "spread disease and poison". His spells might be from such spheres, but a good alligned warlock might use his knowledge of disease to help stop a plague, not help spread it. Then again, even an evil Warlock, unless he's just insane won't suddenly start some plague in the middle of Freeport just for giggles. He might be the next victim of the disease he spreads, the chaos of starting a plague might anger Overlord Lucan himself, a lynch mob may show up if they figure out that the lunatic warlock has been infecting every harbor rat and stray alley cat with some horrid virus so that a third of the population are dying, etc. Again, you have very narrow concepts of the classes, and in some cases don't understand their roles well IMO.</blockquote><blockquote>As an aside, this is all commentary, not flaming. Please remember that) monks are good guys since they do not use brute force and only use marital arts that makes them good?(The philsophy of most monks would probalby be to only use their martial arts when needed. A good alligned monk may really only study martial arts as part of some philsophical course to better oneself, and only use his martial arts as he needs to. A bruiser fights because he likes to hurt people. A monk won't use dirty tricks, a bruiser..not all would, but some might. Consider this: Qeynos has a monk dojo, Freeport has the Dreadnoughts gang to represent their bruisers.&nbsp<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the only case that can be made as far as evil or good goes i would say necros and SKs on the others side pallys and maybe Templars (No, again only as commentary you've only shown you have a narrow concept of the classes and/or don't quite understand how they are SEEN in game (different on how to play them well from a game mechanics standpoint).this is over i've rambled on far to long on the final note we the players deside what a mmo game should be as soon as SoE takes that away from us SWG's NGE should be all you need to hear(Having player input is nice. But there does need to be some groundwork. And I hardly see this being like the change that they did to SWG when NGE came out. That is an apples to oranges comparsion at best)truely there should be 20 neutral classes and two good two evil (Truly I totally disagree. We already have a third of the classes neutral, a third good, a third evil. To change it how you want would be a change LIKE what you don't want, one so large that it's almost the magnitude of "SWG's NGE" as you put it)that is all (Done here too. Again please don't take my posts as flames, but I do think we're going to continue to strongly disagree, I may lurk here, may comment again but I'll wait to see if/when others comment before I decide. May just drop this thread too, I did do that for a few days)/edited messed one lill thing up </blockquote>

Noaani

05-05-2008, 07:42 AM

<cite>koemoejoe wrote in blue, Troubor in red, and koemoejoe replyed in blue:</cite><blockquote>i have toons on freeport side qeynos side and my main is exile i have to buy tradeskill fuel and send it over the black market to give my other toons cash witch is vary bogus since claver folks have bots set up to scan the market looking for under priced things i have lost many items to these bots (So..if I understand this, you're complaining that people have found a way to exploit your exploit of getting around the seperate allignments of PvP. Exile sells fuel, albeit at a higher cost (I think) then Freeport or Qeynos, right? You're just trying to find a way to have your exile character pay for fuel at the Qeynos/Freeport price. Exile on both PvE and PvP servers should have some hinderances...you're someone who's intentionally decided to forsake your home city/homeland. Or to put it another way, you decided to make your character in effect homeless by becoming an exile and moving to "Haven", a big cave. You actually expect services for the same price too?)it's not an exploit nothing in the ToS says any thing about being able to sell under priced things on the brokers and then rebuying them on other toons on the other hand there is plenty about the use of bots!!!!</blockquote>Actually, according to the defination of exploit given by a member of the development team on EQ2flames, back in the origonal Guage vs Disso thread, this would be an exploit.The defination, as put forward then (at the time it involved yelling off The Rumbler in EH in order to not have to kill it, so the guild could progress further in EH) was anything that uses in game mechanics to avoid completing something or avoidingsomething altogether the way it was intended to be is an exploit.You are using the broker to work around the seperation that is supposed to exist on PvP servers. This is an exploit. It may be a minor one (yes, there is a differance), but it is an exploit none the less. You are using a game mechanic (the broker/black market) to work an in game system (seperation of alignments).Grats on being an exploiter?Edit: just had 2 ideas that would solve this whole issue... either of them would be fine!First, simply remove the black market from PvP servers.Second, simply remove the PvP servers.

Ahlana

05-05-2008, 08:30 AM

<cite>koemoejoe wrote:</cite><blockquote>it's not an exploit nothing in the ToS says any thing about being able to sell under priced things on the brokers and then rebuying them on other toons on the other hand there is plenty about the use of bots!!!!BTW other then with a bot it would be nearly impossible to get my stuff before i did since it's only on the broker a max of 3 sec before i already have it just incase your going to make a comment like that</blockquote>Well I would have to disagree and say it is not all "Bots". Ever since someone came here whining that they were doing this and "bots" were buying there stuff on the cheap I guarantee that people started paying more attention to the broker. Some days I will sit there for a while just looking up cheap anything really. Masters, Fabled, Legendary, ect... just hitting refreash til some sucker tries to pull this cross faction swap meet. And if I am doing I can bet that others are, more so than before even now that everyone knows that people actually do this.Then I when I find someone that appears to be doing this over and over, I like to add them to my friends list so I can see when they get on and I just check their items for sales exclusively. Man playing the market is fun isn't it?And the only way you are doing it yourself in 3 Seconds is either with a friend or a second account sitting at the broker. And if it is a friend are you really buying it yourself (nope not in the game sense you are supplying the enemy, hell even with a second account or camping to another character, all you are doing is supplying the enemy on the cheap no less).

koemoejoe

05-06-2008, 10:31 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>koemoejoe wrote in blue, Troubor in red, and koemoejoe replyed in blue:</cite><blockquote>i have toons on freeport side qeynos side and my main is exile i have to buy tradeskill fuel and send it over the black market to give my other toons cash witch is vary bogus since claver folks have bots set up to scan the market looking for under priced things i have lost many items to these bots (So..if I understand this, you're complaining that people have found a way to exploit your exploit of getting around the seperate allignments of PvP. Exile sells fuel, albeit at a higher cost (I think) then Freeport or Qeynos, right? You're just trying to find a way to have your exile character pay for fuel at the Qeynos/Freeport price. Exile on both PvE and PvP servers should have some hinderances...you're someone who's intentionally decided to forsake your home city/homeland. Or to put it another way, you decided to make your character in effect homeless by becoming an exile and moving to "Haven", a big cave. You actually expect services for the same price too?)it's not an exploit nothing in the ToS says any thing about being able to sell under priced things on the brokers and then rebuying them on other toons on the other hand there is plenty about the use of bots!!!!</blockquote>Actually, according to the defination of exploit given by a member of the development team on EQ2flames, back in the origonal Guage vs Disso thread, this would be an exploit.The defination, as put forward then (at the time it involved yelling off The Rumbler in EH in order to not have to kill it, so the guild could progress further in EH) was anything that uses in game mechanics to avoid completing something or avoidingsomething altogether the way it was intended to be is an exploit.You are using the broker to work around the seperation that is supposed to exist on PvP servers. This is an exploit. It may be a minor one (yes, there is a differance), but it is an exploit none the less. You are using a game mechanic (the broker/black market) to work an in game system (seperation of alignments).Grats on being an exploiter?Edit: just had 2 ideas that would solve this whole issue... either of them would be fine!First, simply remove the black market from PvP servers.Second, simply remove the PvP servers.</blockquote>so every one who uses the black market on a pvp server is an exploiter? or is it just the folks who use the black-market to transfer founds from fac to fac? in your above statement it almost sounds like every one who uses the black market on a pvp server is an exploiter. if your just talking about transferring funds from fac to fac then why is that an exploit and selling items to the other side is not? is it not the same thing and yes i have friends put the stuff up with my finger on the trigger rdy to buy i'm thinking 99.9% of the eq2 pvp server needs to be banned since wear all just exploiters this is all silly really since bluebies know whats best for are server we should all just shut up and take it better yet since they are all so into the lore of this game i think maybe they should follow the lore also maybe prevent evil toons from grouping with good toons no bank sharing over other factions don't even let them talk whats the point? i mean they are so into the lore of this game or maybe they really are only into the lore of this game wen it comes to are server?no really the only lore left in this game is in the citys on pvp servers you all group together you all guild together so do we in exile i been to bluebie servers and watch SKs and pallys holding eatch others hands skipping along there marry path there is no lore left not on your servers so don't come to ares preaching your bs bluebies are ummm annoying you all preach about lore this lore that and none of you are willing to put up or shut up your all talk

05-06-2008, 11:50 PM

SOE decided they wanted to seporate out the good and the evil as far as PvP was concerned. Not having a shared bank between them is just a natrual extension to this basic premis. If you don't like this well you could always just not pvp and play on another server. OOH interesting point I haven't seen the exiles whine about ooh they don't have access to those 8 slots cause they are exile and on a pvp server. At least the city folks have access to 8 more slots (4 per char and 4 more shared slots).

Troubor

05-08-2008, 12:15 AM

<cite>koemoejoe wrote, I reply in red:</cite><blockquote>so every one who uses the black market on a pvp server is an exploiter? (No, but someone did point out that something is technically an exploit. NOW if SOE decides to do anything about it, that is another matter) or is it just the folks who use the black-market to transfer founds from fac to fac? in your above statement it almost sounds like every one who uses the black market on a pvp server is an exploiter. if your just talking about transferring funds from fac to fac then why is that an exploit and selling items to the other side is not? is it not the same thing and yes i have friends put the stuff up with my finger on the trigger rdy to buy (I think you're taking this too personally to be honest. I still don't intend to flame, but it honestly seems like that anyone who DARES to disagree, who isn't a sycophant you just get upset at)i'm thinking 99.9% of the eq2 pvp server needs to be banned since wear all just exploiters (Now you're deciding to get upset again, and to misunderstand the previous points)this is all silly really since bluebies know whats best for are server we should all just shut up and take it (LOL, "bluebies"..I do love the slang that comes from some of the PvP servers. And you ignore that this was posted in an open forum, not one dedicated to PvP only. I'll concede that maybe they need an "Intesting feedback: PVP specific" subforum, but even so..AGAIN if you don't want comments, "Bluebie" or not, don't post. I expect comments that may disagree with me, may flame me if I post in any forum) better yet since they are all so into the lore of this game i think maybe they should follow the lore also maybe prevent evil toons from grouping with good toons(You ignored some of my posts about RP/Lore. Well, the one I made here. As an aside, you also ignore that at least IMO the Freeport/Qeynos divide on a PvE server is more of a "cold war", albeit one that could break into full war. PvP is IMO a slightly alternate universe, it has broken into all out war, or at least continual hostile skirmishing between adventurers. So, I don't find it bizarre that a good and group with an evil. Consider this, not all in Freeport are EVIL on a PvE, not all are GOOD in Qeynos. That is where RP comes in. Not every peasant in Freeport would be evil either..opressed by an Overlord doesn't mean every citizen there is evil, only the ones that follow him willingly in most cases. So again, you're now dismissing the "lore" simply because you don't like the coutner arguements IMO) no bank sharing over other factions don't even let them talk whats the point? (Yes..how it exists now. How it's always existed. You knew this when you picked a PvP server, or at least found it out fast I assume. Your choice to play on a server with such a restriction)i mean they are so into the lore of this game or maybe they really are only into the lore of this game wen it comes to are server?(Not to pick on your English, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say in this line. If you're saying "people are only into the lore of the game when it comes to their own server", from what I understand the situation on the PvE and the PvP servers is slightly different in Lore too. Even if I am wrong on that...well how does the PvP changes change lore?)no really the only lore left in this game is in the citys on pvp servers you all group together you all guild together (Okay, this line makes no sense at all. But then again you also claimed in an earlier post that there should be 20 neutral classes, 2 good, 2 evil if I recall right)so do we in exile i been to bluebie servers and watch SKs and pallys holding eatch others hands skipping along there marry path there is no lore left not on your servers so don't come to ares preaching your bs (Uh-huh. It's only BS because you don't like the replies. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sorry, but I refuse to be a sycophant just to make you happy. Not everyone is agreeing with your gripe, so you're now lashing out. It's that simple. But then again, I already pointed out in an earlier thread you have a simplistic concept of the RP/lore behind a lot of the classes anyway.)bluebies are ummm annoying you all preach about lore this lore that and none of you are willing to put up or shut up your all talk (Translation. "Bluebies are umm...refusing to agree so you're all now annoying to me because you won't mindlessly agree". <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />That is what you are REALLY saying.</blockquote><blockquote>Well, your decision to not listen.As an aside, at least a few of the posts from people ALSO disagreeing with you are not from "bluebies", they are from others on PvP servers if I recall right. So...is "bluebie" just anyone who refuses to agree with you now. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Okay, I'm probably done here. Feel free to have your last word and show you didn't listen.)</blockquote>

WeatherMan

05-08-2008, 02:07 AM

There is also one very real truth:PvP players get eight slots in their shared bank regardless of alignment - that means Q's get eight, and Freeps also get eight. That's a net total of eight slots per alignment, not overall like on the blue servers. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.Having played on a PvP server, I understand your complaint...I even sympathize, to a degree. But the conflict between cities, which on a blue server is a low-grade Cold War, actually means something on a PvP server. The rules are there for a reason, you accept them when you create a character on a red server, and try to work within the framework presented. Playing 'broker roulette' falls into that category, and the rules are probably not going to be changed in any event, at least not in that regard.

Noaani

05-08-2008, 08:22 AM

<cite>koemoejoe wrote:</cite><blockquote>i'm thinking 99.9% of the eq2 pvp server needs to be banned since wear all just exploiters </blockquote>Your half right with this.99.9% of PvP players should be banned because they are exploiters, cheaters, hackers, flamers or griefers.The other 0.01% is the devs giving PvP a go.

Liral

05-08-2008, 11:56 AM

Gorkk00

05-14-2008, 05:49 PM

<cite>koemoejoe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>koemoejoe wrote this, I reply within it in red:</cite><blockquote>in short please stop making the only real winners out of no shared bank slots on pvp between factions the bots!!!!!!!(Then don't use the black market to try to circumvent the restrictions put on PvP..then the "bots" won't win.)as far as circumventing the restrictions on pvp goes they should not be present in the first place but the truth of the matter is SoE gave us a black market so we could sell are goods to the other side so what if it happens to be me who buys my own stuff from the other side? BTW other then with a bot it would be nearly impossible to get my stuff before i did since it's only on the broker a max of 3 sec before i already have it just incase your going to make a comment like that</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>Here's a suggestion for you: instead of buying fuels with your rich toon and selling them underpriced to your poor toon, do the opposite: buy fuels with your poor toon (the 1c fuels), and sell them overpriced to your rich toon. If someone gets around in the middle and buy those before you log your other toon, then it's even more a benefit for you.Of course doing so incurs extra costs with the higher broker fees, but hey, circumventing the alignment restrictions put on PVP must have a cost, don't you think?As for your "it's only on the broker a max of 3 sec", well... impossible for you to let them so few time, as you need at least 25s to camp, + the time to log back your other toon and load the area, and then open the broker and search for your wares. That stays at least 1mn. And considering you're most likely not the only one on your PVP server to use such a trick, it's likely it's quite common to have people sale underpriced fuels on broker. Then, anyone dedicated enough can make loads of gold of that, without using a bot. Of course, some of your "thieves" probably use bots to do so, but there's nothing in what you say that prove that (not even hint at it, mind you).But hey, as you consider those are bots, I'm sure you reported them all at SoE (explaining them of course that you were selling underpriced toon on one toon and buying them with another toon to transfer money from one to another and circumvent a game mechanic - and considering that [b]circumventing a game mechanic is by definition an exploit, unless explicitly stated otherwise by SoE, which they did I think for the "kill part of an encounter then feign death / break to have the encounter respawn exactly as it were to get to some rare spawn mobs&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, haven't you? If so, any answer from SoE? Because I'm sure it would be interesting to see that (and if you didn't report them, how do you expect SoE to find and disable them? It's not like they are blatantly botting, finding them would require some profiling of their actions, timing of the refreshes on broker for example, to notice a constant or periodic pause between two refresh, and adding some check by sending them a tell while they seem to be botting on broker to see if there is a real person behind the computer of if it's a bot, etc.)As for the rest of your post, well, I think Troubor said it all, not much to add there.PS: I'm sure you don't like the fact that now, each of your "teams" get 4 more shared bank slots? Which means that you get more new bank slots than people on PVE servers (because they just have a merge of current shared banks, so no increased overall storage room from the shared bank), so there you get some benefit to balance the difference of the PVP servers (more storage overall).

Sightless

05-16-2008, 02:26 AM

<cite>Dasein wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why are PvP players even allowed to have characters of different factions on the same account on the same server?</blockquote>This is one of the biggest faults of EQ2 PvP. Because people can have characters in both factions there tends to be more "kill your friend" for status, faction, and insignia's when it could easily be lessened if you could have only make characters in one faction.

Lodrelhai

05-16-2008, 03:09 AM

<cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dasein wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why are PvP players even allowed to have characters of different factions on the same account on the same server?</blockquote>This is one of the biggest faults of EQ2 PvP. Because people can have characters in both factions there tends to be more "kill your friend" for status, faction, and insignia's when it could easily be lessened if you could have only make characters in one faction.</blockquote>Seems to me there'd be a fairly large problem with locking people into having all their characters on a PVP server on the same faction. PVP has 3 factions, and a character cannot be on Exile faction to start. So if the alignment of your current PVP character is Exile, you can't make a second PVP character on that server, because you're locked into a faction you can't start with.Also, how would you prevent people from making a character on the same faction as their current one, then betraying them to the other city?The only thing I can figure is they'd have to either make Exile a starting faction of its own, or eliminate betrayal entirely on PVP. With the latter, it has to be decided what will happen to the people currently in exile, and whole guilds could end up split if it's decided everyone goes back to the last city they were a citizen of. I could perhaps see the former by putting Gorowyn on Exile faction, but character creation in Gorowyn would then have to be opened to all races and all classes. Either solution would require massive recoding for the PVP server, probably a month of daily server announcements about the upcoming changes plus emails to players plus prominent posts on these boards, and there'd still be people who'd log in one day to find their lvl 80 exile paladin is locked onto a faction that separates them from their guild or friends.

Illine

05-16-2008, 05:55 AM

I tried pvp and didn't like it, I suck at it and people choose to pvp so there are advantages surely and drawbacks.I mean, pvp is FP against Qeynos, Good vs bad. So if you fight each other why could you send things to others. Even if it's your toon, if you have a good and an evil toon, they are anemies in the game. When you play pvp, you accept the rules or you play pve where the rules are a lot lighter.