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Seolta

04-25-2008, 05:43 AM

I don't know how I can express our feelings more simply.Every time we try to voice our opinions the thread gets shut down or ignored.Every time we try to give positive feedback on how to manage our class, the thread is shut down or ignored.Everytime something comes up about how SK's are jacked, we get multiple POSITIVE posts from pretty much all classes supporting us and commenting on just how gimped and un-wanted we are, these threads are also shut down or ignored.Just when things couldn't get worse for us, we get the Despoiling Mist broken/nerf situation which SoE UTTERLY IGNORES despite multiple posts in multiple forums with SoE devs responding to multiple other posts adjacent to the SK posts.I've been a super loyal SoE cutomer for 5yrs+ despite being involved in almost every beta of every major MMO to hit market since 2000.For SoE to treat my chosen main class this way is simply insulting. I can't continue to participate with a company who ignores us so completely.We pay you to be entertained, not to be ignored and insulted.This is my last plea to pay attention to our concerns.

cidienboul

04-25-2008, 05:55 AM

Poor shadowknights. Poor tanks in general though really. SoE decided to make guardians the one true tank class, and if you're not a guardian well then F you! At least berserkers can betray their way to eliteness. Shadowknights right now remind me of paladins back in eq1. We were laughably bad, but I stuck with the class. Then they ended up being one of the best classes in the game. Maybe soe will wake up one day and unnerf your class. Hell, it's Fn hard to find tanks for anything nowadays. Fixing the tanks should be at the TOP of soe's to do list. Note, should be.

Wraithcaller

04-25-2008, 09:35 AM

What we need is a petition thread and let everyone sign it may or may not do any good but having everyone that agrees that Sks need fixing post in one thread will give a good idea of how [Removed for Content] the class is. I think I will start one.

Grimlux

04-25-2008, 09:38 AM

<cite>Seolta@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't know how I can express our feelings more simply.Every time we try to voice our opinions the thread gets shut down or ignored.Every time we try to give positive feedback on how to manage our class, the thread is shut down or ignored.Everytime something comes up about how SK's are jacked, we get multiple POSITIVE posts from pretty much all classes supporting us and commenting on just how gimped and un-wanted we are, these threads are also shut down or ignored.Just when things couldn't get worse for us, we get the Despoiling Mist broken/nerf situation which SoE UTTERLY IGNORES despite multiple posts in multiple forums with SoE devs responding to multiple other posts adjacent to the SK posts.I've been a super loyal SoE cutomer for 5yrs+ despite being involved in almost every beta of every major MMO to hit market since 2000.For SoE to treat my chosen main class this way is simply insulting. I can't continue to participate with a company who ignores us so completely.We pay you to be entertained, not to be ignored and insulted.This is my last plea to pay attention to our concerns.</blockquote>It took 3 years to get the coercer review...I wouldnt hold your breath on the Shadowknights, who definately deserve a review as well.

Phank

04-25-2008, 12:13 PM

It's been said before and I'll say it again. Maybe the only fix to our class is the Dark Templar of AoC. Sorry Sony, you had your chance. I've been a EQ player since inception. I'm over it now. Despoiling Mist nerf opened my eyes to exactly how much they care about my class.They have one more LU to keep me as a subscriber. And I'm fairly certain I'm not alone.

ReficulFonwaps

04-25-2008, 01:05 PM

I was lied to when I made my SK, Sony said all tank classes would be equally able to tank anything in the game. Pure, straight up lie. Guardians are the best defensive tanks, AND the best offensive tanks in the game. WHY? CAN YOU NOT SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN YOUR GAME SOE?? We NEVER get any dev response on any SK issues. I'm tired of it and I will be leaving the game if we do not get a response to our issues, and get FIXED.

Zehl_Ice-Fire

04-25-2008, 02:27 PM

I had to give upraiding on my SK (and original main from near launch) after EoF launch, took a raid break, changed to inquisitor a year ago as one was needed. Now they were left behind in RoK and I'm on my 2nd class with waning use in a raid, if not useless there is a choice of at least 4 other classes that do the same and better with far less effort. Inqs still have the raid rep but soon enough it will die out too. I'm pondering leaving game, just feeling so bored with it and frustrated at how easily some classes get to do things and I'm working my butt off to almost be as good and trying to justify my spot in a raid.

Uggli

04-25-2008, 02:40 PM

<cite>Zehl_Ice-Fire wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm pondering leaving game, just feeling so bored with it and frustrated at how easily some classes get to do things and I'm working my butt off to almost be as good and trying to justify my spot in a raid.</blockquote>This is why my SK is retired. I don't raid much, not that I have much of a choice in the matter being an SK, but am more focused on the group content. Yes SK's can do group content, but I'm god [Removed for Content] tired of having to work 2 to 3 times as hard as ANY OTHER CLASS to do what my core job is supposed to be. Having to rely on skills to do things they were never intended to do to compensate, and to have "fixes" thrown at us through ONE item upgrades and changes. You do not F'in fix a class through itemization, it's a pathetic and lazy band-aid to the core issues.I've rolled a brigand and am in the process of leveling that up, though maybe only to do something until a new MMO catches my attention. I do not see my self ever re-activating my SK, even if my guildies catch up in level. It's just no fun to tank any more.

kickmyd0g

04-26-2008, 08:28 AM

FIX SK's IN 2008You can close this thread just like the other 1 and I'll just start another.You'll then ban me but I'm sure someone else will start another thread and so on and so forth until everyone is banned.Save yourselves the hassle SOE and just let us know that you are are at least looking at the issues with SK'sFIX SK's IN 2008

Jerma

04-26-2008, 04:20 PM

Echgar Wrote,"I am sorry some of you are upset over the state of your class, but if you are unable to discuss your issues constructively and according to the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=411000" target="_blank">forum rules</a>, you are likely to continue to find yourself frustrated."The Problem is we have been frustrated as a community for a long time and nothing is ever done. So if you happen to read this Echgar, what would you suggest we do to get some kind of response from the devs about our class?

Seolta

04-26-2008, 04:40 PM

Thoughtful and contructive didn't get us attention.Begging and pleading didn't get us attention.Seriously, what do you expect us to do?Most of the knowledgeable old school SK's gave up long ago and quit or re-rolled.SoE should be glad to see that there are still a few SK players left who actually CARE ENOUGH ABOUT THE GAME TO TRY TO GET THINGS DONE.

devil_hunter

04-26-2008, 04:41 PM

how can we discuss things if no DEV is responsing on our posts.what a stupid answer from a moderator "lol"

kickmyd0g

04-26-2008, 04:51 PM

All we want is a response from a dev letting us know that SK issues are being investigated, I don't think that's a lot to ask for

kickmyd0g

04-26-2008, 04:57 PM

Response from the Mod:While I understand some of you are frustrated, this kind of behavior not very appropriate. When a moderator locks or removes a thread, it is not an invitation to create a brand new thread to continue it to spite the moderator -- that kind of defeats the point of moderating the first thread. If you have an issue with something a moderator has done, send a private message and we will be happy to discuss it.In your case, your first thread was not deleted, it was merged with an existing thread. See <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=416062" target="_blank">here</a>.I am sorry some of you are upset over the state of your class, but if you are unable to discuss your issues constructively and according to the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=411000" target="_blank">forum rules</a>, you are likely to continue to find yourself frustrated.Mate you just don't get it, this isn't sbout you so please put your ego away. I started a new thread to try to get a response from a SOE dev not to spite you.

DMIstar

04-26-2008, 05:19 PM

"but if you are unable to discuss your issues constructively"Sorry But I disagree with this statement... Mostly All the posts within this forum has been talked on constructivly and with many ideas thrown back and forth... If we where not doing this and did nothing but bicker and complain. there would be nothing in this forum that wouldnt have been locked already... The fact that no other threads are locked pretty much tells me, there has been no real issue with people takeing things unconstructivly at all..The Issue though is not from our side at this point.. theres only so many ways you can beat a dead horse with a stick and we are running out of them... This is the second worst broken class in the game, and its well known as that. Its kinda hard to even miss it.For everything there is a cause and effect... Not just so long ago, one of our spells where either broken or nerfed from an update... This was a huge trigger cause for people to start wondering .. OK whats realy going on.? To further this cause when we asked in several different forms about it there has been no answer or acknowledge ment at all.. Which hence triggered this kind of effect... Realy I mean what else is there to do ? We have been a patient class, Literally there realy hasnt been anything that has errupted in these forums for a very long time. But the question now is ... What are we being patient for ?

Gehemnishthex

04-27-2008, 02:17 AM

Please fix SK'sPlease just read the first page of posts on the forum, they'll tell you lots of stuff. or just ask. The tradeskill Dev posting about what kind of crafted weapons we liked was just the sort of simple Q&A that can yield results.

Benk

04-27-2008, 08:06 PM

Hi Kirgen hereThey banned my sk account and deleted my last post so here is the reply from the mod again; The text in the boxes is me<blockquote>Nice to see that SOE customer service is of the same pathetic level as always.</blockquote>Insulting me is not a great way to start off. I understand you are frustrated, but come on now. A little civility goes a long way. I am just a forum moderator enforcing the forum rules you agreed to abide by in order to gain the privilege to post here.<blockquote>I will continue to post until I get a reply from the company I PAY to entertain me has the decency to reply to their customers on the concerns that they have. Concerns which have been ongoing and posted about for some time, concerns that SOE has chosen to ignore</blockquote>Please do not make assumptions like this. Developers read far more than they post. I personally brought several threads on the Shadowknight forum to Gnobrin's attention on Friday as I do with any forum I see issues that need to be raised.<blockquote>If and when you revoke my privilages I will use one of my other accounts to create a thread and when you finally ban them I will use my wifes accounts to post so instead of deleting the threads REPLY to the many posts in the forum ans show some respect to your customers.</blockquote>*sigh*I really wish you wouldn't do this. I hate seeing people do this. They get soooooo frustrated that they seem to go out of their way to get themselves banned from the forums, then move onto their wives, friends, and other accounts to do the same.I have an alternative proposal. Follow the forum rules and don't get yourself banned! <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Seriously -- the moderators are not out to get you, and you creating thread after thread to spite us may make you feel better, but it isn't going to get your issues fixed any faster. You will just find yourself without the ability to post and you'll just continue being frustrated.<blockquote>If you would care to give me the name of whoever is in charge of character development then I will wright to them expressing my concerns again.</blockquote>What I suggest rather than petitions, ultimatums, or threats is to work constructively with your fellow players to put together a summary issues list minus the venom. The developers are busy people and when they see a forum filled with vague "fix us", "the devs are ignoring us", and similar things it just amounts to noise. Help them by showing real issues, data, and suggestions for improvement.I can't promise that the results you want will happen, but I do know that it has a better chance at success than fighting with the forum moderation staff.As you can see it's obvious that none of the threads we have made regarding the issues with SK's have been read, if they had then we wouldn't have the suggestion above. This mod is more about his ego than the SK community.Again all it takes is for SOE to show us some respect and respond.

RanmaBoyType

04-27-2008, 08:17 PM

ibtl

ReficulFonwaps

04-27-2008, 09:22 PM

Benk, nice post! From that final reply you are being told that we need to compile data, some up with the fixes, etc.. Last i checked we didn't work for them, they should compile their own data to fix this game, or lose customers. I cancelled earlier today, if you keep paying them to treat you like this it's your own fault.

Jevius

04-27-2008, 11:06 PM

<cite>Kirgen@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>All we want is a response from a dev letting us know that SK issues are being investigated, I don't think that's a lot to ask for</blockquote><a href="http://www.eq2flames.com/shadowknights/24813-crusader-question-asked-devs.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.eq2flames.com/shadowknig...asked-devs.html</a>There we go.

forge32

04-28-2008, 02:49 AM

<cite>Kirgen@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>All we want is a response from a dev letting us know that SK issues are being investigated, I don't think that's a lot to ask for</blockquote>Dude you are going at it the wrong way.Truthfully what you really want is for the employess of soe to drop everything there doing ,and put a patch in RIGHT NOW.We pay $ to play this game yep we do.But we do not own this game or the employees of soe.We do not sign there checks soe does.You need to relax as well as the rest of you.We do not own soe , eq2 ,or soe employees. Stop thinking becuase we pay 14.99 a month we do.

Beldin_

04-28-2008, 09:13 AM

For me (as non-raider) there are 2 big problems at the moment :1. Missing AoE content. 2. The game/damage relies more and more on autoattackMy SKs for me was always first an AoE-caster in Plate, i never cared much about auto-attack.Often i did zonewide more damage with tap-veins than with auto-attack.Possible fixes :1. Not before a new Expansion comes out that hopefully has again some AoE-encounters, but to be honesti don't really count on that <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />2. This is a general design and itemisation problem. Domino wants to make new mastercrafted weaponsthat proc on Melee AND casting. This has to happen with all items, or at least a lot of itemssince else Hybrid-classes always only have a 50% benefit from procs.Also i think the total direction the game goes is wrong when some classes now do 60%+ of their damagevia auto-attack. However i don't see how the game could again be turned back into something that reliesmore on CAs/spells without massive nerfing most melee classes.

docpaulp

04-28-2008, 02:59 PM

<cite>forge32 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kirgen@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>All we want is a response from a dev letting us know that SK issues are being investigated, I don't think that's a lot to ask for</blockquote>Dude you are going at it the wrong way.Truthfully what you really want is for the employess of soe to drop everything there doing ,and put a patch in RIGHT NOW.We pay $ to play this game yep we do.But we do not own this game or the employees of soe.We do not sign there checks soe does.You need to relax as well as the rest of you.We do not own soe , eq2 ,or soe employees. Stop thinking becuase we pay 14.99 a month we do.</blockquote>Nice try. Sadly, the "right way" has been tried, to no benefit. Truthfully, what you really want, is that we pay our remaining subscription until 2012 and we stop playing the class RIGHT NOW and be quiet from now on.See how easy it is stop by and twist some words? It took me even less effort than 2 years of combined workdays to type "your class is getting looked at".

ReficulFonwaps

04-28-2008, 07:18 PM

For real, if the dev's were actually reading these forums, it would only take an extra like 30 seconds to a minute out of their insanely busy day to type a response on here. Let's see this one took about 20 seconds, from clicking reply, to submit.

Beldin_

04-28-2008, 07:39 PM

<cite>ReficulFonwaps wrote:</cite><blockquote>For real, if the dev's were actually reading these forums, it would only take an extra like 30 seconds to a minute out of their insanely busy day to type a response on here. Let's see this one took about 20 seconds, from clicking reply, to submit.</blockquote>An your really think they are done with that 30 seconds ? Whatever they write, there will be the next question about WHAT EXACTLY they plan to do, and if they answer about that, there will next be hundred of complaints why they do that and not something else, or why they do it that way and not another way.Believe me .. its not done in 30 seconds, it will only start a landslide .. and thats the main reason that they don't write anything as long as they are not 100% clear about what to to. And even if they are clear about that, maybe they still don't write anything because they know what will happen next.Whoever has a ranger can simply take the discussions pre LU#44 as example to imagine what i mean.

forge32

04-29-2008, 03:16 AM

<cite>docpaulpur wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>forge32 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kirgen@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>All we want is a response from a dev letting us know that SK issues are being investigated, I don't think that's a lot to ask for</blockquote>Dude you are going at it the wrong way.Truthfully what you really want is for the employess of soe to drop everything there doing ,and put a patch in RIGHT NOW.We pay $ to play this game yep we do.But we do not own this game or the employees of soe.We do not sign there checks soe does.You need to relax as well as the rest of you.We do not own soe , eq2 ,or soe employees. Stop thinking becuase we pay 14.99 a month we do.</blockquote>Nice try. Sadly, the "right way" has been tried, to no benefit. Truthfully, what you really want, is that we pay our remaining subscription until 2012 and we stop playing the class RIGHT NOW and be quiet from now on.See how easy it is stop by and twist some words? It took me even less effort than 2 years of combined workdays to type "your class is getting looked at". The reason i posted what i did is simple.The op has done nothing but spam thread after new thread after new thread on same topic. He is looking for emediate answers.Pouting like a 5 year old and being way to inmature.Expecting soe to jump right in and respond to a thread 30 secounds after made and give answers is ridiculous.Takes time to develope, and resolve problems its not done over night .The fact that many people assume that becuase they pay 14.99 a month. They are boss or have control of mechanics or game functions ,and soe works for us.This is just plain foolish.We have a right to speak up on bugs and game issues that we may dislike.However in no way does that mean our ideas, or wants will be done.This is not a fast food buisness like burger king we do things your way.Stop kidding your selfs.Dude honestly as far as you paying subscription until 2012. I could care less if any of you sks/crusaders quit right now.Honestly ill be happyier to see less wineing 5 year olds on these forumns throwing tantrums and in game.Forge32=red</blockquote>

Seolta

04-29-2008, 05:28 AM

The OP hasn't been spamming, thread after thread.The OP doesn't troll the Guardian boards <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />The OP has been playing EQ2 since Beta1, some of these issues have been around since Beta1.The OP like many other involved and attentive main SK's has been giving constructive suggestions the entire release life of EQ2.The OP has become increasingly concerned since DoF, as the SK situation has gone from bad to worse, to nearly unplayable at the end game.The OP realises as many others do, that most SK's in existence are alts, and fun alts at that...so the "majority" of SK's are happy and SoE takes this as an indication that the class is fine as is This makes it difficult for end-game main SK's to be aknowledged as anything more than just a cranky minority....this requires us to work extra hard to get any legit attention at all. The OP simply wants aknowledgement for his class. An indication that SoE realises we have some major issues at the SK end-game and are willing to look into fixing these issues. That's it.The OP has been playing SoE games since '99 with multiple accounts. The OP has spent more money with SoE than 90% of the people on these forums. The OP is considering bringing an end to this financial relationship because he doesn't want to pay to play a game where his main avatar(which he has invested countless hours in) is nearly worthless.The OP just wanted to make an attempt to jumpstart the process before giving up entirely. The OP is delighted that at least the Moderators are aware of the situation now, and have possibly made this aware to the Devs.The OP is preparing another big constructive suggestion post that will hopefully help get the ball rolling.

Tiberuis

04-29-2008, 09:30 AM

Well said OP.The primary issue with the SK class is raid effectiveness. The mechanics of this are well documented and detailed throughout these forums, hundreds of times.There is a perception in the game that SK's are not effective on raids, therefore they are the least wanted raid class of all. If you need to qualify this perception, send a tell to almost any raid leader on any server at any time.Since the ROK expansion, Guardians have higher mitigation, and have higher avoidance, and have more hit points than an SK. So do we assume a dps role in the raid? Guardians do more damage than an SK since ROK.The SK is not balanced vs. the other plate classes in a raid. This is the core message we are trying to get across in all of these posts.Please pass along our message to the Devs. Please research the mechanics listed in all of these repetative forum posts, and fix the SK class.Thanks! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Tiberuis

04-29-2008, 12:40 PM

Hi All,Some great ideas and feedback on this thread, thanks for asking the questions Slag.Please fell free to support DarkC's thread, titled "What Do Raiding SK's Need," and post up your specific SK raiding issues and mechanics there as well. I think it is important to separate the group MT mechanics and raiding mechanics, for the benefit of the mods and devs, at this point.Keep up the grreat feedback SK's!

MicheleMyBell

04-29-2008, 12:53 PM

Lots of emotion here. Try to think of it on business terms. Is the man hours spent on fixing SK issues more profitable vs. working on the next expansion or update? What percentage of paying customers does this affect?SOE is not entitled to provide you anything other than what is on the agreement check box. If you are that unhappy, roll a guardian or change games. I am sure SOE can make up your $14 faster with 7 new accounts they get with each minute they spend on an expansion. See where I am going?Combine that buisiness decision with your trolls, rants, bold fonts, and multiple postings looks like it is not going to get you any where.The previous poster to me has the right attitude. I suggest Gorbin shut down the threads, create a nice sticky to garner some great ideas to feed to the delopment team and Devs, if it affects enough subscribers.ps....Just a game

evilgamer

04-29-2008, 01:10 PM

<cite>MicheleMyBell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lots of emotion here. Try to think of it on business terms. Is the man hours spent on fixing SK issues more profitable vs. working on the next expansion or update? What percentage of paying customers does this affect?SOE is not entitled to provide you anything other than what is on the agreement check box. If you are that unhappy, roll a guardian or change games. I am sure SOE can make up your $14 faster with 7 new accounts they get with each minute they spend on an expansion. See where I am going?</blockquote>Basically, this is entirely true, businesses only care about profit, and the next expansion will most likely bring in more $ then fixing SK would.If fixing SK's was profitable, it would have been done along time ago.The true fact is that the majority of the player base only thinks of guardians as the "true tanks" and is perfectly happly as long as a few of them are around to tank on raids, what happens to the rest of the tanks is meaningless and irrelevant to them, if not down right contradictory as if the other tank classes got a buff it may cost them a raid spot.The truth is that actual SK mains are just a small minority that will most likely never be fixed, there is no money in it.

Masoma

05-06-2008, 04:37 PM

I feel compelled to add my dollop of frustration turning slowly but surely into anger as the SK class continues to be ignored. I am an 80/140 SK in endgame raiding. That is about all that is left for me. Casual raid guild currently working on finishing t2 raids in Kunark. I have become the standing raid drop if more than 24 sign up for a raid. "I know how to play my toon" and it goes beyond that. The SK has no true essential use in high end raids. It has been this way for years and it is still the same. Unless you are politically connected in the guild organization, your chances of being a raiding regular are not good. I sympathize with those who are unloading on SOE. The issues have been brought up time and again over several YEARS. Ignored basically. SOE, you are reaping what you sow. I have noticed several of the respected class leading SK's abandoning their toons, either to reroll or leave the game and since rerolling just hasn't given me a class I can identify with strongly, guess I had better check out Age of Conan to see what it offers in their Dark Templar. So much I like about EQ2, but there comes a point when one actually begins to feel insulted.Woeman80 SK, 140AA, Level 80 weaponsmith, on Everfrost

Tiberuis

05-06-2008, 07:06 PM

Thanks for your post Woeman. We all feel your frustration. Most raid leaders have a perception that SK's are the most raid gimped class in the game. This is a perception that has been alive and well on EQ2's servers for years.Be sure to check out DarkC's thread, titled "What do Raiding SK's need", and add your constructive suggestions to improve our raid utility. Your raid spot (or lack thereof) testimony is important as well, as it provides further evidence (as if any were needed! Talk about common knowledge!) of our raid troubles.We know the Dev's are aware of how raid gimped our class is. We are all waiting (some more patiently than others <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) for a solution in an upcoming LU.

Krogoxx

05-07-2008, 04:18 AM

bye sony, i have waited 2 years to fix the SK class. i will be playing a dark templar in AoC i bought 2 CE of the game and 3 regular copies as bribes to my EQ2 guild officers.about 8 members are leaving EQ2 for AoC on may 20.

Beldin_

05-07-2008, 10:55 AM

OMG .. we finally get our fix :GU-45 Preview : Crusader The Paladin and Shadowknight squires should no longer look differently after zoning. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Pimmy

05-08-2008, 10:43 AM

Yes fix our friggiin squire (like anyone ever casts that junk spell?)... thats what devs must think about us.

Aull

05-08-2008, 11:11 AM

Well I just found out the other night that many of my hardcore raiding friends that play guardians, brigands/swashies, dirges/troubs, defiler/mystics (soild eq2 classes), are leaving eq2 for the AoC when it comes out. These friends of mine are totally happy with their classes and are in a very nice hard core raiding guild that supplies their toons with the greatest gear that eq2 is offering now.Now if my friends have all of this and are leaving the game makes me wonder what will happen with those who are not satisfied with their mains (that have raiding issues) are going to do. I personally do not want to start another MMO but I will be at a loss with all my friends (who are on aoc beta now) leaving this game.In our guild the attendance has been dropping off so I think with the new games arriving soon and with summer around the corner that eq2 game attendance will be very low.I am not sure but may not see much improvements in eq2 in the days ahead. That is just my thoughts.

Tiberuis

05-08-2008, 01:31 PM

ROK is already 6 months old. And SOE has done absolutely nothing so far to balance the SK vs. the other plate tanks. I'm going to roll a toon, proly a Dark Templar, in AOC, and see how that game looks after launch. Mabey that will distract me from how unhappy I am with the sad state of the end-game Shadowknight in EQ2.

Soefje

05-08-2008, 02:44 PM

<cite>Tiberuis wrote:</cite><blockquote>ROK is already 6 months old. And SOE has done absolutely nothing so far to balance the SK vs. the other plate tanks. I'm going to roll a toon, proly a Dark Templar, in AOC, and see how that game looks after launch. Mabey that will distract me from how unhappy I am with the sad state of the end-game Shadowknight in EQ2</blockquote>I think I will be joining you. Wish I could get into open beta for AOC to see how it is.Several times in the past 3 weeks, I have been the only person or 1 of 2 on from my guild. Can't seem to find a group that will stay together long enough to get anything done. No one will help with epic weapon quest. Just not fun playing this game anymore.Maybe I will be back in a few months, but if AOC turns out as good as it looks, then maybe not. (Of course I remember the Vanguard experience also).

Tiberuis

05-08-2008, 11:59 PM

<cite>Kraace@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tiberuis wrote:</cite><blockquote>ROK is already 6 months old. And SOE has done absolutely nothing so far to balance the SK vs. the other plate tanks. I'm going to roll a toon, proly a Dark Templar, in AOC, and see how that game looks after launch. Mabey that will distract me from how unhappy I am with the sad state of the end-game Shadowknight in EQ2</blockquote>I think I will be joining you. Wish I could get into open beta for AOC to see how it is.Several times in the past 3 weeks, I have been the only person or 1 of 2 on from my guild. Can't seem to find a group that will stay together long enough to get anything done. No one will help with epic weapon quest. Just not fun playing this game anymore.Maybe I will be back in a few months, but if AOC turns out as good as it looks, then maybe not. (Of course I remember the Vanguard experience also).</blockquote>All these posts. All these threads. All these SK's voicing thier concerns, thier issues, thier frustrations. All these SK's quitting the game, re-rolling, and just plain giving up.All those frustrated Berzerkers in the zerker forums, complaining about snap aggro...and then admitting in at least 12 different recent posts that they really feel sorry for the SK...The good, the bad and the ugly.And not one direct resonse from a Dev. Not one. Deaf ears.And then, the Alakazam Dev interview tonight...with the good news...that they are not going to do a class revamp for us in the forseeable future.Unbelievable.

Pimmy

05-09-2008, 01:47 AM

Unbelievable bull....Well I think EQ2 is the last MMO for me. When I get bored of being a gimped class, I'll just quit. Its just sad how stupid the developers can be. Outright brainless morons.

Soefje

05-09-2008, 10:05 AM

Rolled up a guardian last night. Want to see what it is like to be truely wanted as a tank <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

seamus

05-09-2008, 10:58 AM

<cite>Kraace@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tiberuis wrote:</cite><blockquote>ROK is already 6 months old. And SOE has done absolutely nothing so far to balance the SK vs. the other plate tanks. I'm going to roll a toon, proly a Dark Templar, in AOC, and see how that game looks after launch. Mabey that will distract me from how unhappy I am with the sad state of the end-game Shadowknight in EQ2</blockquote>I think I will be joining you. Wish I could get into open beta for AOC to see how it is.Several times in the past 3 weeks, I have been the only person or 1 of 2 on from my guild. Can't seem to find a group that will stay together long enough to get anything done. No one will help with epic weapon quest. Just not fun playing this game anymore.Maybe I will be back in a few months, but if AOC turns out as good as it looks, then maybe not. (Of course I remember the Vanguard experience also).</blockquote>AOC does have very high hardware requirements and a lot of folks have problems in the Open Beta, I did not, but AOC is not the epic fail that Vanguard is. It is a very different type of gameplay though, no auto-attack, and some folks are gonna love it and some folks aren't. I think it is an interesting combat system and definitely gets you more involved but it wasn't for me.For me its going to be the Death Knight, which makes my wife happy as she's much more of a WOW fan. Lots of new info out about the DK.

Melodar

06-28-2008, 06:57 PM

My question is this why do the devs not post on the official Sony forums and instead post over on the immature eqflames where tossing out foul language makes you "cool". (Yes through the language you can get some information) Anyway why not posts here? The majority of the SK posts are constructive and posts are killed, moved or closed on what seems a whim because what makes it happen if posted by X wont if posted by Z. And if it is a different day that seems to factor in too. Claiming that the threads related to SK's aren't constructive is ludicrus but what you may be seeing is people becoming irritated with absolutely NO communication from anyone except a mod. Taking the time to simply make a single post even if it says we don't have a clue how to fix SK's or stating SK's will not be worked on anytime soon at least the community will know someone gives a ratogna's behind about them.Come on devs (no mod) give us some sort of reply and you just may silence many with that tiny effort.