Execute vs Sniper Arrow - What the ....!

[RoXx]

<p>I kind of knew about this, but never really thought about it until now. Lets compare the "top" ranger CA (sniper arrow) vs the top assassin CA (execute)</p><p>First lets check the first version of these spells:(Note these numbers are for a level 1 character with no stats. With increased level, differences will increase even more)Assassinate(Execute's lvl 50 version):Damage: 3540 - 5900Recast: 15 minutesCasting time: 0.5 sec</p><p>Sniper's Shot(Sniper Arrow's lvl 55 version)Damage: 3408 - 5680Recast: 15 minutesCasting time: 5 sec</p><p>OK. Damage is comparable. Recast is same.. BUT casting time for snipers = 5 sec?? <b>10 times longer casting time than assassinate!</b> I dont know how many times Ive been interrupted by a mob or stealth has been broken, only because its such a long casting time..</p><p>Yeah, ok so someone can come and say that casting time should be 10 times longer for ranger because sniper shot has the extra stun/kb effect. I will admit it can be handy for soloing (and pvp, which I dont care for), but for raiding its worthless - completely worthless. And it is in raiding we find it hard to keep up with assassins, soloing and grouping is fine like it is.</p><p>Anyways back to the main topic. We have seen the first versions of these CA's.. Let's see the top versions!</p><p>Execute:Damage: 6480 - 10800Recast: 15 minutesCasting time: 0.5 secSniper Arrow:Damage: 4819 - 8032Recast: 15 minutesCasting time: 5 secOK. Recast still same. Casting time, rangers still owned 10 times by assassins.<b>But here is the point of my post (at last):Execute damage increase from T6 to T8 version: 83%Sniper Arrow damage increase from T6 to T8: 41,4%</b></p><p>What gives?!?! Double increase in damage for assassins vs rangers? Why must it be like that?</p><p>Why does assassins get a 41,6% higher boost on their CA than rangers do? Arent these CA's the top arsenal (like the description of the CA's says) of the 2 classes?</p><p>I dont know the assassin class very well and I am not in any way asking for a nerf of their class, but I want you to take our class serious as well. Check our class forums and you will find that we have 2 worthless CA's: Stream of Poo and Coverage (worthless compared to fatal followup), and now this? Why do our counterpart recieve double boost of damage in their "most lethal CA" compared to rangers? Why does the ranger one take 10 times longer to cast? Is there some logic I fail to see? <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Perel]

<cite>RoXxer wrote:</cite><blockquote> Why must it be like that?</blockquote>Why must it be different?  Who ever said that assassins were just "Evil" rangers and everything needs to be even?  I say "grats" to you assassins on your damage... well done.  Classes are not (and should not) be "balanced" or you end up with a <i>vanilla</i> character differential.  Look at what class balancing did to WoW...  Every class board is filled with finger pointing at all the other classes saying "I want that".  I hope SOE never goes down that road... not even a little.

[blackdog1]

I think the point is Perel is that Assassins and Rangers bring the same thing to the table yet Assassins for some reason out dps us two to one in raids.One popular theory for this is our Dev plays an assassin on the pvp servers and we are paying the price for rangers schooling assassins because we can kite them to death.

[Gaige]

<cite>blackdog1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the point is Perel is that Assassins and Rangers bring the same thing to the table yet Assassins for some reason out dps us two to one in raids.One popular theory for this is our Dev plays an assassin on the pvp servers and we are paying the price for rangers schooling assassins because we can kite them to death.</blockquote>Rumors are bad, as the dev you're erroneously referring to plays PvE, not PvP.

[Tofflemire]

My guess (being new and stupid) is that rangers can do it from range and assassins need to be on their target.  Lower the cast time on the ranger CA and let assassin's have bow-range on their CA.

[Gareorn]

<p>The whole premiss for this thread is wrong.  You are comparing apples and oranges.  You should be comparing like items such as</p><p>Execute >> Shower of Arrows -- As these are the two comparable end-line abilities (50/60/70/80)...</p><p>or</p><p>Death Blow >> Sniper Arrow -- As these two were initiated as the lvl 58 ancient teachings.</p>

[HezakiaIsh]

<cite>blackdog1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the point is Perel is that Assassins and Rangers bring the same thing to the table yet Assassins for some reason out dps us two to one in raids.One popular theory for this is our Dev plays an assassin on the pvp servers and we are paying the price for rangers schooling assassins because we can kite them to death.</blockquote>I parse just under or Above equally geared assasins in my guild (and they are [Removed for Content] good) Step your game up its not that bad.

[Effidian]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>I parse just under or Above equally geared assasins in my guild (and they are [I cannot control my vocabulary] good) Step your game up its not that bad. </blockquote><p>In Raids?  What are your zonewide numbers and do you have your Mythical?  </p>

[HezakiaIsh]

<p>In Raids or groups, No i dont have my mythical, and i dont have anything not to hard to obtain (although i am all Leg/fabled) ZW i can hit 4-5k Depending on which zone we are in/group set-up (normally just have a bard + Inqy) Sometimes im above our assas. sometimes im right under them (we have 3 but i only compare myself to two of them as they are higher geared) In SOH on trash me and the other [I cannot control my vocabulary] are usually right around 6 depending on length of the fight. </p>

[TuxDave]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In Raids or groups, No i dont have my mythical, and i dont have anything not to hard to obtain (although i am all Leg/fabled) ZW i can hit 4-5k Depending on which zone we are in/group set-up (normally just have a bard + Inqy) Sometimes im above our assas. sometimes im right under them (we have 3 but i only compare myself to two of them as they are higher geared) In SOH on trash me and the other [I cannot control my vocabulary] are usually right around 6 depending on length of the fight. </p></blockquote>4-5K ZW with no mythical.  I have to say your skills exceed mine greatly.

[Effidian]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In Raids or groups, No i dont have my mythical, and i dont have anything not to hard to obtain (although i am all Leg/fabled) ZW i can hit 4-5k Depending on which zone we are in/group set-up (normally just have a bard + Inqy) Sometimes im above our assas. sometimes im right under them (we have 3 but i only compare myself to two of them as they are higher geared) In SOH on trash me and the other [I cannot control my vocabulary] are usually right around 6 depending on length of the fight. </p></blockquote><p>Could you post your zonewide for SoH trash?  Take a screen capture of your ACT outgoing damage and put that up.  Also, what is your raid's zonewide?  No way can I hit 5k zonewide with an illy and bard, so I'd like to try to figure out what is different.</p><p>Or even better, go do the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=412443" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Parsing the wall</a> thing and post those numbers in that thread.  </p>

[dbmoreland]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In Raids or groups, No i dont have my mythical, and i dont have anything not to hard to obtain (although i am all Leg/fabled) ZW i can hit 4-5k Depending on which zone we are in/group set-up (normally just have a bard + Inqy) Sometimes im above our assas. sometimes im right under them (we have 3 but i only compare myself to two of them as they are higher geared) In SOH on trash me and the other [I cannot control my vocabulary] are usually right around 6 depending on length of the fight. </p></blockquote>Please tell us your secret. My gear is not all that much different than yours and I cannot hit 4-5K on ONE mob, much less come anywhere close to that ZW. As for SOH trash, 6K??? I can't do half of that. What am I doing wrong?

[Thominator]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In Raids or groups, No i dont have my mythical, and i dont have anything not to hard to obtain (although i am all Leg/fabled) ZW i can hit 4-5k Depending on which zone we are in/group set-up (normally just have a bard + Inqy) Sometimes im above our assas. sometimes im right under them (we have 3 but i only compare myself to two of them as they are higher geared) In SOH on trash me and the other [I cannot control my vocabulary] are usually right around 6 depending on length of the fight. </p></blockquote>I call shenanigans

[HezakiaIsh]

Doin SOH on friday will post some numbers /set-up for ya

[HezakiaIsh]

<cite>Danean@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In Raids or groups, No i dont have my mythical, and i dont have anything not to hard to obtain (although i am all Leg/fabled) ZW i can hit 4-5k Depending on which zone we are in/group set-up (normally just have a bard + Inqy) Sometimes im above our assas. sometimes im right under them (we have 3 but i only compare myself to two of them as they are higher geared) In SOH on trash me and the other [I cannot control my vocabulary] are usually right around 6 depending on length of the fight. </p></blockquote>Please tell us your secret. My gear is not all that much different than yours and I cannot hit 4-5K on ONE mob, much less come anywhere close to that ZW. As for SOH trash, 6K??? I can't do half of that. What am I doing wrong? </blockquote>Where are you standing while fighting? I stay pretty much at 5m, unless its a fight that needs to be joust. Are you using all of your CA's? Including melee ones? Are you at least all Adept 3? 6k on Trash in SOH is not hard at all, in Raids im usually around 63% RC 42-46 RDA (with trooper proc) and DPS mod ~90. You should be able to chain 3-5 CA's / RCA's  inbetween auto attacks.  Coverage is pretty much useless unless your trying to spike the hell out of your dmg just to watch yourself die (haha invis ,focus aim +stealth fire + coverage + sniper arrow= one hella dead ranger hahaha) Well i take that back, if you can learn how to use coverage the correct way (time it right before an auto attack) then its golden.

[dbmoreland]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Danean@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In Raids or groups, No i dont have my mythical, and i dont have anything not to hard to obtain (although i am all Leg/fabled) ZW i can hit 4-5k Depending on which zone we are in/group set-up (normally just have a bard + Inqy) Sometimes im above our assas. sometimes im right under them (we have 3 but i only compare myself to two of them as they are higher geared) In SOH on trash me and the other [I cannot control my vocabulary] are usually right around 6 depending on length of the fight. </p></blockquote>Please tell us your secret. My gear is not all that much different than yours and I cannot hit 4-5K on ONE mob, much less come anywhere close to that ZW. As for SOH trash, 6K??? I can't do half of that. What am I doing wrong? </blockquote>Where are you standing while fighting? I stay pretty much at 5m, unless its a fight that needs to be joust. Are you using all of your CA's? Including melee ones? Are you at least all Adept 3? 6k on Trash in SOH is not hard at all, in Raids im usually around 63% RC 42-46 RDA (with trooper proc) and DPS mod ~90. You should be able to chain 3-5 CA's / RCA's  inbetween auto attacks.  Coverage is pretty much useless unless your trying to spike the hell out of your dmg just to watch yourself die (haha invis ,focus aim +stealth fire + coverage + sniper arrow= one hella dead ranger hahaha) Well i take that back, if you can learn how to use coverage the correct way (time it right before an auto attack) then its golden.</blockquote>Same place as you, in the "sweet spot". Yes, I use all (well almost all, no coverage or trap) of my CAs including the melee ones, and yes I have all A3s except for 3 M1s. Otoh your numbers are better than mine: 63% RC vs my 55%, 46% RDA vs my 35%, and 90 DPS vs my 40-65. I chain 3 CA's between each auto attack, and do not use coverage. The fights are lasting about 90 seconds. I get through all of my CAs in about 30 sec so for half of the fight the only ones that are up are the four 10 seconds ones (1 ranged, 3 melee). I'll have to spend some time looking at the numbers again. It just does not seem like there are 6000 points of damage available every second for 90 seconds no matter what I do. Just curious, what is your average auto-attack hit amount? Mine is 4000.

[HezakiaIsh]

<p>Where you will pick up alot of DPS is inbetween your auto attacks, AA is your baseline and anything inbetween that will throw your dps up alot. For me my auto attack does anywhere from 4-9 (depending on debuffs on the mob) When are you tossing focus aim up?  at the start/middle/ or end of a fight? What is your Str at our around on Raids? I usually open up with something big, but i group with the same tank everyday (also our guild MT) and i know how much aggro he can and cant hold. </p><p>Just saw one other thing in your post, you say fights are lasting around 90 seconds? Remember the higher your Raid wide DPS the higher your #'s will be. Fights on trash with us last anywhere from 40-55 seconds (right around 55-60k Raid wide) </p>

[dbmoreland]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Where you will pick up alot of DPS is inbetween your auto attacks, AA is your baseline and anything inbetween that will throw your dps up alot. For me my auto attack does anywhere from 4-9 (depending on debuffs on the mob) When are you tossing focus aim up?  at the start/middle/ or end of a fight? What is your Str at our around on Raids? I usually open up with something big, but i group with the same tank everyday (also our guild MT) and i know how much aggro he can and cant hold. </p><p>Just saw one other thing in your post, you say fights are lasting around 90 seconds? Remember the higher your Raid wide DPS the higher your #'s will be. Fights on trash with us last anywhere from 40-55 seconds (right around 55-60k Raid wide) </p></blockquote>Ok that makes a huge difference then. My average AA is your minimum. I am tossing up focus aim about 20-30 sec into the fight, after I have done baffle twice, the tank has solid agro and dispatch is in. Then I focus aim, and use all of my ranged CAs that are available. By that point all but my 10 sec CAs are down so I am just auto-attacking and watching my avg DPS fall by the second. That would also explain our difference. If the fights were over after 40-60 seconds I would not be waiting in combat for my CAs to recycle. I always thought that the perfect fight length was 45-60 sec with a 30 sec break between fights. Oh and my str is about 900. Thanks for the help, I will try to use this info on my next raid.

[Webin]

/whimperIt occurs to me that I suck as a ranger <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />    Then again, I can hardly be called a raider, so I think I'll survive.

[HezakiaIsh]

<cite>Danean@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Where you will pick up alot of DPS is inbetween your auto attacks, AA is your baseline and anything inbetween that will throw your dps up alot. For me my auto attack does anywhere from 4-9 (depending on debuffs on the mob) When are you tossing focus aim up?  at the start/middle/ or end of a fight? What is your Str at our around on Raids? I usually open up with something big, but i group with the same tank everyday (also our guild MT) and i know how much aggro he can and cant hold. </p><p>Just saw one other thing in your post, you say fights are lasting around 90 seconds? Remember the higher your Raid wide DPS the higher your #'s will be. Fights on trash with us last anywhere from 40-55 seconds (right around 55-60k Raid wide) </p></blockquote>Ok that makes a huge difference then. My average AA is your minimum. I am tossing up focus aim about 20-30 sec into the fight, after I have done baffle twice, the tank has solid agro and dispatch is in. Then I focus aim, and use all of my ranged CAs that are available. By that point all but my 10 sec CAs are down so I am just auto-attacking and watching my avg DPS fall by the second. That would also explain our difference. If the fights were over after 40-60 seconds I would not be waiting in combat for my CAs to recycle. I always thought that the perfect fight length was 45-60 sec with a 30 sec break between fights. Oh and my str is about 900. Thanks for the help, I will try to use this info on my next raid. </blockquote>Aye with higher Raid wide DPS you will see your number's go up(not having to wait on CA's to refresh) Also i focus aim after my initial auto attack round or on the pull, you wont find alot of tanks who can hold off that kind of aggro but when you do it sure is fun=)

[dbmoreland]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Danean@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Where you will pick up alot of DPS is inbetween your auto attacks, AA is your baseline and anything inbetween that will throw your dps up alot. For me my auto attack does anywhere from 4-9 (depending on debuffs on the mob) When are you tossing focus aim up?  at the start/middle/ or end of a fight? What is your Str at our around on Raids? I usually open up with something big, but i group with the same tank everyday (also our guild MT) and i know how much aggro he can and cant hold. </p><p>Just saw one other thing in your post, you say fights are lasting around 90 seconds? Remember the higher your Raid wide DPS the higher your #'s will be. Fights on trash with us last anywhere from 40-55 seconds (right around 55-60k Raid wide) </p></blockquote>Ok that makes a huge difference then. My average AA is your minimum. I am tossing up focus aim about 20-30 sec into the fight, after I have done baffle twice, the tank has solid agro and dispatch is in. Then I focus aim, and use all of my ranged CAs that are available. By that point all but my 10 sec CAs are down so I am just auto-attacking and watching my avg DPS fall by the second. That would also explain our difference. If the fights were over after 40-60 seconds I would not be waiting in combat for my CAs to recycle. I always thought that the perfect fight length was 45-60 sec with a 30 sec break between fights. Oh and my str is about 900. Thanks for the help, I will try to use this info on my next raid. </blockquote>Aye with higher Raid wide DPS you will see your number's go up(not having to wait on CA's to refresh) Also i focus aim after my initial auto attack round or on the pull, you wont find alot of tanks who can hold off that kind of aggro but when you do it sure is fun=)</blockquote>I have a tank friend that I group with that I can do that with. And yes it is fun to watch instance mobs drop in 15 seconds. The only complaint I have then is that he never waits more than 5 sec to pull the next one. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[dbmoreland]

<cite>Webin@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>/whimperIt occurs to me that I suck as a ranger <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />    Then again, I can hardly be called a raider, so I think I'll survive.</blockquote><p>You don't suck Webin. We all just need to work a little harder. It is nice to have a standard like Hezakia or Millerz to work toward. It is even nicer when they take the time to share their knowledge with us so that we can all get better. </p><p>I just find it very interesting that the difference between two rangers can be so huge. We have some that can't do 1K DPS or solo a yellow mob, we have others doing 6K and soloing orange heroics. The rest of us are spread out from one end to the other, somewhere in between. No wonder Sony can't figure us out. There is no such thing as an "average" or "standard" ranger. Perhaps that is why I like being a ranger so much. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[HezakiaIsh]

<cite>Danean@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Webin@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>/whimperIt occurs to me that I suck as a ranger <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />    Then again, I can hardly be called a raider, so I think I'll survive.</blockquote><p>You don't suck Webin. We all just need to work a little harder. It is nice to have a standard like Hezakia or Millerz to work toward. It is even nicer when they take the time to share their knowledge with us so that we can all get better. </p><p>I just find it very interesting that the difference between two rangers can be so huge. We have some that can't do 1K DPS or solo a yellow mob, we have others doing 6K and soloing orange heroics. The rest of us are spread out from one end to the other, somewhere in between. No wonder Sony can't figure us out. There is no such thing as an "average" or "standard" ranger. Perhaps that is why I like being a ranger so much. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>Aye thats why playing a ranger is so hard, most people think its just click ranged auto attack...dazzle here and there.... mob dead. Playing one optimaly takes alot of practice because of the timings involved to keep your numbers up. I hear so many Ranger's complaining about how bad it is over equally geared assasins, it really isnt that bad like i said. When you have two equally skilled and geared classes (Ranger/Assas)your gonna have times where one parses over the other and vise versa.  And in groups you really have to be on it to keep your number up because of how short fights are, Rangers really need about a good 10-15 sec,s to put up some nasty  parses, but that is no indication of what your capable of in a raid.

[Ranja]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Danean@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Webin@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>/whimperIt occurs to me that I suck as a ranger <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />    Then again, I can hardly be called a raider, so I think I'll survive.</blockquote><p>You don't suck Webin. We all just need to work a little harder. It is nice to have a standard like Hezakia or Millerz to work toward. It is even nicer when they take the time to share their knowledge with us so that we can all get better. </p><p>I just find it very interesting that the difference between two rangers can be so huge. We have some that can't do 1K DPS or solo a yellow mob, we have others doing 6K and soloing orange heroics. The rest of us are spread out from one end to the other, somewhere in between. No wonder Sony can't figure us out. There is no such thing as an "average" or "standard" ranger. Perhaps that is why I like being a ranger so much. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>Aye thats why playing a ranger is so hard, most people think its just click ranged auto attack...dazzle here and there.... mob dead. Playing one optimaly takes alot of practice because of the timings involved to keep your numbers up. I hear so many Ranger's complaining about how bad it is over equally geared assasins, it really isnt that bad like i said. When you have two equally skilled and geared classes (Ranger/Assas)your gonna have times where one parses over the other and vise versa.  And in groups you really have to be on it to keep your number up because of how short fights are, Rangers really need about a good 10-15 sec,s to put up some nasty  parses, but that is no indication of what your capable of in a raid. </blockquote>The main differece for Hez is that their mobs are dead faster than most everybody elses. So this will increase his DPS. Hez can you post your raw damage numbers. I bet they are not that much different than the rest of us but since your fights last half the time, your DPS is higher as a result.And, I can easily parse 4-5k on SoH trash. Those fights are over in 30 secs. My assassin is parsing 6-7k on those fights <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Also, I agree with focus at the beginning. The minute our MT pulls the mob,  dispatch is in, focus is up and I rip all my ranged CAs. It is nice when your MT can parse 4k as well<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[HezakiaIsh]

<p>Thats exactly my point Ranja, The more movin your Raid wide DPs is the higher you will parse due to shorter encounters (Rofl let me catch a 30 sec. encounter in SOH and you will see 7=) Im doing SOH on friday and will gladly put up some numbers. The only dif. i could see in our Raw dmg numbers is when you factor in Ranged Double attack (i sit kinda high on that side so i see more of it, Put a Illy and dirge in my group and ill be around 71-73) and i sit around 1050 for Str(well that was last SOH raid). </p><p>also remember while assas. only have to really worry about melee crit/Str/int, Rangers have to worry about Ranged crit/Ranged DA/Str/int/Melee Crit/(thanks to LU44) Hence why i call Assasins lazy rangers<<<<=) </p>

[Giliad]

<p>I have found that concentrating my achievemtns in the Str (end line), AGI (End Line), and INT helps increas DPS.  Also useing Tactics increases crit damage by 12% for a t8 version.  Crits running during raid are about 68% ranged, 40% melee.  I usually stand about 5 meters away from the mob, or just in from when the melee CAs go out of range.  I cast start with hiddeen shot, and rear shot.  Baffle once and the mob is debuffed by then.  I cast Honed, Primal instincts, I think it is called and then focus aim.  I run out all of my ranged CAs then start with the dps of bleeding cut and should have the int AA-line poison dps.  Then I hit with the bigger melees.  If I do this with my str about 700 I parse 3.5k -4k.  It is generally between me and the [Removed for Content] that puts first.  Also I have the auto attack macro that lets me use my epic for auto attacks instead of my Melee weapons.  I also use Rillisian strike, or Dizok mental breach w/ tugor, and ignorant bliss.  I use Focus Aim when it is up all the time.  Also can use the STR potions, with chicken foot and hex dolls boost my str over 700 to massive damage.</p><p>Also I find that the different arrows give different damage.  Try buying on of each and putting it in the first slot in your quiver to see which one maximizes damage.  I know some like broadhead and some like bodkin or field point.</p>

[ChodeNode1]

You run all 3 yellow buffs together? Would that be wise in longer fights or just short ones? For short fights, I use just Focus or Primal and Honed together. I'm assuming using Primal and Honed first is the best way to go because it'll refresh sooner, yes?Good stuff in a thread I didn't expect to see too much in. Lets keep it coming. Perhaps we should establish a "How To DPS The Ranger Way" guide.

[Ranja]

<cite>Locklear@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have found that concentrating my achievemtns in the Str (end line), AGI (End Line), and INT helps increas DPS.  Also useing Tactics increases crit damage by 12% for a t8 version.  Crits running during raid are about 68% ranged, 40% melee.  I usually stand about 5 meters away from the mob, or just in from when the melee CAs go out of range.  I cast start with hiddeen shot, and rear shot.  Baffle once and the mob is debuffed by then.  I cast Honed, Primal instincts, I think it is called and then focus aim.  I run out all of my ranged CAs then start with the dps of bleeding cut and should have the int AA-line poison dps.  Then I hit with the bigger melees.  If I do this with my str about 700 I parse 3.5k -4k.  It is generally between me and the [I cannot control my vocabulary] that puts first.  Also I have the auto attack macro that lets me use my epic for auto attacks instead of my Melee weapons.  I also use Rillisian strike, or Dizok mental breach w/ tugor, and ignorant bliss.  I use Focus Aim when it is up all the time.  Also can use the STR potions, with chicken foot and hex dolls boost my str over 700 to massive damage.</p><p>Also I find that the different arrows give different damage.  Try buying on of each and putting it in the first slot in your quiver to see which one maximizes damage.  I know some like broadhead and some like bodkin or field point.</p></blockquote>Just to correct a mistake you made on an earlier thread too. Tactics are +8 crit not +12.Field points are the best. The increased damage does not make up for the loss of hit rate.Honestly, Lock you could change your order a bit and improve your DPS. Don't use Focus, brutal and honed all at the same time it is a waste nad puts you way over the cap. Use focus. When that runs out use honed and brutal together. You should start your fight with Mortal as well applying intox with it. Keep mortal on the mob at all times. By starting with mortal you are getting the DoT ticking immediately. Free DPS!<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Also, as has been researched over on eq2 flames, the end line Int ability is better than the end line Str ability for DPS. Intox contributed more to my ZW than rain and sniper.

[Giliad]

As stated on another post I will post pics of the tactics used, I think they are +12% for T8, but I will double check.  I will do the research on the int vs str line.  and see.  I had thought that it meant all timers longer than 2 minutes would be sped up, but haven't really paid too much attention to it.  Again I wil repost at a later date.

[dbmoreland]

<cite>Locklear@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>As stated on another post I will post pics of the tactics used, I think they are +12% for T8, but I will double check.  I will do the research on the int vs str line.  and see.  I had thought that it meant all timers longer than 2 minutes would be sped up, but haven't really paid too much attention to it.  Again I wil repost at a later date.</blockquote>You are correct, all reuse timers longer than 2 min are speed up by 50%. There are only two, Sniper at 15 min which becomes 10, and Shower of Arrows at 3 min which becomes 2. We have no other [damage CA] reuse timer longer than 90 seconds.

[Kage8]

<p>How in god name do you get your DA, Crit and Str so high? Ill admit my ranger still needs a few more pieces of Leg gear. But my Crit is 37%, DA is 18% and Str is around 650ish....Now thats with no pots or temp adornments. But still. 55+% crit and 40+% DA AND 1k str? HOW? I mean is it all fabled gear? My raid does T1 so far and only crit stuff i saw has ZERO str on it. Oh and i do have my epic.</p><p>Please post some of your gear so i can be uber too lol. Well maby not if its like VP drops.</p><p>Thanks for info.</p>

[jarlaxle8]

<cite>Kage848 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How in god name do you get your DA, Crit and Str so high? Ill admit my ranger still needs a few more pieces of Leg gear. But my Crit is 37%, DA is 18% and Str is around 650ish....Now thats with no pots or temp adornments. But still. 55+% crit and 40+% DA AND 1k str? HOW? I mean is it all fabled gear? My raid does T1 so far and only crit stuff i saw has ZERO str on it. Oh and i do have my epic.</p><p>Please post some of your gear so i can be uber too lol. Well maby not if its like VP drops.</p><p>Thanks for info.</p></blockquote><p>It's probably mostly fabled or a mix of fabled + best legendary gear there is to get. Gear is also one of the reasons that there can be big dps differences. I was in a group yesterday with an assassin and she parsed more or less double then me. Then I noticed she is from a high end raiding guild, had mythical epic, high fabled off-hand, and an assortment of other nice stuff. I asked her about crit, double attack and such. Well, she had most much higher or even double then me. I didn't wonder about the dps difference anymore after that... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>As for how high tier 8 crit potions are: The poison end line ability makes potions more effective, which may be why some see a higher numbers then others.</p>

[dbmoreland]

<cite>Kage848 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How in god name do you get your DA, Crit and Str so high? Ill admit my ranger still needs a few more pieces of Leg gear. But my Crit is 37%, DA is 18% and Str is around 650ish....Now thats with no pots or temp adornments. But still. 55+% crit and 40+% DA AND 1k str? HOW? I mean is it all fabled gear? My raid does T1 so far and only crit stuff i saw has ZERO str on it. Oh and i do have my epic.</p><p>Please post some of your gear so i can be uber too lol. Well maby not if its like VP drops.</p><p>Thanks for info.</p></blockquote><p>Well my RDA is only 14%: 8% from the Ranger AA, 2% from the Desecration Bracelet and 4% from the ET bow. Now in a group or raid I am almost always paired with my RL wife's Illy so I get another 25% for a total of 39%. </p><p>I get 55% Ranged crit from a combination of racial ability (2),  Preditor Agil AA (22), my equipment (26), adornments (2) and wetstone (3). </p><p>My base str is 633. With food, drink and potion I am at 750. With group/raid buffs I am usually somewhere in the 900s. </p><p>As for my gear, just look up my character (Danean) on eq2players. The only piece I have from a raid is my helm. All the rest is from the T8 equipment list sticky post at the top of this forum. </p>