Old Topic: What is Game Devs Obsession with Big [Removed for Content]?

[Zwildstar]

<p>I appauded SOE when EQ2 came out that they made TWO races (actually the same model, most likely) with "normal" bust sizes: the gnomes and the ratangos.  The rest were the same old gravity defying busts that most computer games have, but TWO were normal...kudos.</p><p>Awhile Later... SOGO</p><p>Gnomes/Ratangos now have the same gravity defying busts.</p><p>Needless to say those are the only 2 models I still have set for old graphics instead of SOGA.</p>

[Keno]

i'd like you to show me the big boobies of iksar, sarnak and froglok females please, i also would like to see a picture of the soga ratonga model.kthxbye

[Cusashorn]

<p>1. Ratonga don't have SOGA models.</p><p>2. SOGA is the name of the company in Korea who designed the models. Not SoE themselves.</p><p>3. SOGA models in general are ugly anyway. I'd rather have the originals.</p><p>4. Go look at a troll if you want realistic. Those things swing past thier knees.</p>

[Bloodfa]

<p>I grew up reading comic books.  Tell me that those figures are achievable on a human body without 'after market' additions.  It kind of goes hand-in-hand with video games.  And fantasy.  And fantasy video games.  Check out the artwork of Frank Frazetta or Boris Vallejo.  </p><p><a href="http://www.frazettaartgallery.com/ff/index.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.frazettaartgallery.com/ff/index.html</a> </p><p><a href="http://www.imaginistix.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.imaginistix.com/</a></p>

[Aurumn]

<p>Hmm, the beast races range from flat-as-a-board (sarnak) to normal (kerra) IMO. My main is a Ratonga female and she's rather modestly proportioned up top. The hips on the other hand *sheesh*... she has no trouble clearing a path in a crowd, lemme tell ya. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  I actually rolled a gnome on test the other night. She is rather bustier in the soga version, but normal model is still pretty tame. </p><p>The easy solution is... disable the SOGA models you don't like. They all sort of look... "surprised" to me anyhow. And that's coming from a long-time anime fan. </p>

[Brook]

Thnx for the links Blood, been a long time since I have seen their work, they are truly amazing artist.

[Chay]

The only complaint I have about bust size in the game is there isn't a slider to make them smaller if desired. The reason they appear gravity defying is that they don't move, or at least not much. Maybe at puberty every humanoid or elfin female is given a bra of stone breast. Trust me you don't want those things going all directions when you're in a fight. I'd love a slider that made them smaller if desired. I'd love a little more response to inertia. But I don't see either happening.Actually the bustage in eq2 seems more modest than in eq1. From memory I'd estimate that the Velious models are bigger. [Removed for Content] are not the root of all evil regardless of size. Both men who want them and women who possess them may obsess about them so I really don't think the devs have any particular fancy for them (no more than anyone else). Heck I would be more concerned why all the male models are a bit wimpy looking.

[Cusashorn]

I kinda wish the breast bounce physics had been put into the game, like they said they were working with back during Alpha. I guess they warped the art graphics too much for armor and gave problems with platemail or something, but they obviously were never put in.

[AratornCalahn]

Maybe its just me but I prefer looking at Kerra size than elf size (which tend to have stretched textures anyway).

[Bremer]

It's a fantasy game, so nothing has to be realistic <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Troubor]

<cite>Kenozh@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote>i'd like you to show me the big boobies of iksar, sarnak and froglok females please, i also would like to see a picture of the soga ratonga model.kthxbye</blockquote><p>LOL...Iksar and Sarnaks are reptiles, Frogloks are amphibians, of COURSE they don't have breasts.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Mammaries tend to be on well..mammals.</p><p>As for the most of the other races, <a href="mailto:Kenozh@valor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kenozh@valor</a> at least was right with regards to Ratonga, they don't have a SOGA/Alternative model.  (I know the alternative isn't called SOGA now, but it was initially if I recall, and I know a lot of people who still call it that).</p><p>Me, I actually prefer the elves in SOGA/Alternative to the old model.  The old makes my high elf look too "Keebler" elvish in the face IMO.  The SOGA isn't perfect, but it is better for elves in general.  Other races, I kind of do set on whim, for now I have SOGA/Alternative on for everything, but am debating setting halflings back to the old model..they look too much like human children, not enough like well..halflings (and yes, I know many describe halflings as looking like children) for me in the SOGA model, the old they just look more "Halflingish" to me.  But I also know someone who's using a petrified halfling eye to RP being a kid, so may leave it so their model looks "right" from my perspective.</p><p>As for the breasts.  In general they run "large but not absurdly so".  A slider for chest size maybe is in order, with current size either the maximum or close to maximum.  But I don't think they are so large that they look absurd or impossible.  As for not moving..I do kind of figure that was done to make things soemwhat practical from a game standpoint.  Sure in a cloth robe they would probably move when running, but not like the breastcups molded into a suit of plate armor jiggle.  I figure the chest not jiggling was a compromise so they wouldn't have to program in "If the character is in plate, jiggle off"..if in chain,"jiggle slight", etc..."</p>

[Erithe]

Orig model [Removed for Content], to me, look saggy.  I hate that.  After years of bra wearing, elastic pinched, weight fighting effort, I want a character that doesn't even -have- to wear a bra and looks fine without one.  SOGA models do that for me.   ((So sue me, I happen to like them <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> )) That said, I wish we had a slider and maybe a rotater for position.  If you want to look realistically braless, sure!  If you don't, that's dandy!  I don't.  So I go with SOGA ... which I like better with elves and humans anyway.   I honestly don't think the devs have a [Removed for Content] issue.  I think they tried to choose a middle ground.  Or something.  Heck, I dunno.  Give me sliders! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />

[Snowdonia]

<cite>Zwildstar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I appauded SOE when EQ2 came out that they made TWO races (actually the same model, most likely) with "normal" bust sizes: the gnomes and the ratangos.  The rest were the same old gravity defying busts that most computer games have, but TWO were normal...kudos.</p><p>Awhile Later... SOGO</p><p>Gnomes/Ratangos now have the same gravity defying busts.</p><p>Needless to say those are the only 2 models I still have set for old graphics instead of SOGA.</p></blockquote>Two? Try four. Ratongas, Kerrans, Erudites, and I suppose Gnomes though I've never paid much attention. and if you want to count saggy ones, it's five with Trolls.I don't mind the breasts for Elves, I don't think they are over large like Barabarians and Ogres and they aren't too small. I WOULD however LOVE to be able to set the size cuz some would definitely become more svelte.That was one of my favorite things about the game Horizons (now Istaria). They had body sliders and you could make any race (yes, even the dragons) fat, skinny, teeny breasted, large breasted, and all points in between. If only the skeleton revamp would afford this type of character creation system with the maximum sizes for breasts being the current sizes (with the exception of the four-five mentioned above as I believe those should be able to go as big as Elfin breasts) and the smallest being the svelter breasts of the current Kerrans/Erudites. I probably would of made a Barbarian ages ago if not for those huge knockers. If I had the power to disgorge them somewhat, I'd be more apt to make one with more character slots.

[Erithe]

*whispers scandalously* City of Hero's Body sliders ... *scuttles off*

[TheFitz]

I love big [Removed for Content]!! But hell I like little ones too. Guess I just like [Removed for Content] huh?

[Zin`Car]

<p>/auc WTB God card so I can dictate what i believe is and is not normal for body types in a fantasy world.</p><p>if you are going to complain about the sizes of b00bages in the game then you may as well chuck the entire "create-a-toon" out the window, impliment body sizes ranging from anorexic to morbidly obese and then make it so that when you create a toon, it's completely random what it is you turn out like... just as Real Life.  We can even add more realism and make some people "pop out" with crossed eyes, cleft palates, excessively large or extremely short for the designated race you choose...  a 6 foot ratonga or a "dwarfed" kerran: complete with pudgy fingers and toes...</p><p>It's a game.  It's going to have physical attributes and elements that are appealing or attractive to the general masses, not the abstract few.  Personally, i prefer a nice 34-36 B or C-cup but hey, if the designers are going to make everyone run around with DD's, so be it.  Not what i would want IRL but in game, sure... whatever works.  Also keep in mind, that's armor holding those "Ta-Tas" in place.  It's a form-fitted piece...  of course the females have well supported anatomy.  I also highly doubt that the female casters running around in robes are doing so "free swinging".</p><p>If i recall correctly, SOGA = Sony Online Gaming Asia.</p><p>You did make me laugh though when you referenced rats, cats, and the like when you bawled about the soga models since those were never changed.  Remember, YOU have to make the change in options on how they look.  If you didn't like soga and preferred the old, then deselect soga.  WOW!!!  Your complaint though just led me to believe all the more you are complaining to complain and it isn't about simply ingame details but a deeper issue that most likely has nothing to do with ingame at all... but that's just hypothetical and i am sure you will respond completely to the contrary.  /shrug either way.</p>

[KefkaQ]

I'd just be happy if chests rose and fell as they breathed (male and female). It looks weird with how static it is. I don't consider my wood elf's breasts particularly large, though. The human's are somewhat bigger though (It's similar in Lotro. Human women there have medium to large sized breasts (depending on how you use the body slider, which increases the entire body's mass) while the elves are smaller and perkier. WoW does the same thing now that I recall...)

[LordPazuzu]

<cite>Snowdonia@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zwildstar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I appauded SOE when EQ2 came out that they made TWO races (actually the same model, most likely) with "normal" bust sizes: the gnomes and the ratangos.  The rest were the same old gravity defying busts that most computer games have, but TWO were normal...kudos.</p><p>Awhile Later... SOGO</p><p>Gnomes/Ratangos now have the same gravity defying busts.</p><p>Needless to say those are the only 2 models I still have set for old graphics instead of SOGA.</p></blockquote>Two? Try four. Ratongas, Kerrans, Erudites, and I suppose Gnomes though I've never paid much attention. and if you want to count saggy ones, it's five with Trolls.I don't mind the breasts for Elves, I don't think they are over large like Barabarians and Ogres and they aren't too small. I WOULD however LOVE to be able to set the size cuz some would definitely become more svelte.That was one of my favorite things about the game Horizons (now Istaria). They had body sliders and you could make any race (yes, even the dragons) fat, skinny, teeny breasted, large breasted, and all points in between. If only the skeleton revamp would afford this type of character creation system with the maximum sizes for breasts being the current sizes (with the exception of the four-five mentioned above as I believe those should be able to go as big as Elfin breasts) and the smallest being the svelter breasts of the current Kerrans/Erudites. I probably would of made a Barbarian ages ago if not for those huge knockers. If I had the power to disgorge them somewhat, I'd be more apt to make one with more character slots.</blockquote>I always thought the slight erudite figures in EQ2 were funny considering the same race, 500 years ago in EQ1, walked around with freakin cannons strapped to their chests.  They rivaled barbarians for bust size.

[Rijacki]

<cite>Erithe wrote:</cite><blockquote>*whispers scandalously* City of Hero's Body sliders ... *scuttles off*</blockquote>Star Wars Galaxies sliders for -everything- including bustline and paunch.  *sigh*  Did they at least keep the character customisation when the changed the rest of the game to NGE?

[LordPazuzu]

Big boobies are awesome! :p

[Nazgul]

Get over it..

[LordFyre]

<cite>Sulan@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Big boobies are awesome! :p</blockquote>Pity that the drab and inimaginative clothing/armor available to female characters prevents these "assests" from really being taken advantage of.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Zin`Car]

<cite>LordFyre wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pity that the drab and inimaginative clothing/armor available to female characters prevents these "assests" from really being taken advantage of.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Lineage 2 is for you!

[LordFyre]

<cite>Luinne@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>LordFyre wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pity that the drab and inimaginative clothing/armor available to female characters prevents these "assests" from really being taken advantage of.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Lineage 2 is for you!</blockquote>Partially.  There are elements of <b>Lineage II</b>'s artistic style that I like a great deal.  If the game was worth playing, I would be playing that rather then playing <b>EQ2</b>.

[WeatherMan]

<cite>LordFyre wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Luinne@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>LordFyre wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pity that the drab and inimaginative clothing/armor available to female characters prevents these "assests" from really being taken advantage of.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Lineage 2 is for you!</blockquote>Partially.  There are elements of <b>Lineage II</b>'s artistic style that I like a great deal.  If the game was worth playing, I would be playing that rather then playing <b>EQ2</b>.</blockquote>It would be awesome to have Lineage II's clothing options...for the guys as well as the gals (I think my ratonga would look absolutely <i><b>dashing</b></i>  in some of the Lineage II clothes).  D*mn shame the gameplay is one of <i><b>the</b></i> worst PvP experiences ever (of course, I generally dislike PvP on principle)...if they opened up just <i><b>one</b></i> PvE server, it would be jam-packed within a matter of a couple of weeks.Personally, barbarians and ogres aside (and erudites in SOGA), the size of the bustlines don't really seem all that large to me.  Perhaps, as LordFyre states, if we actually had clothing...well, worth dressing the female characters up in, then the bosom size might be more of an issue.  I keep the female erudites in SOGA, because otherwise...well, otherwise, there really isn't a way to tell the <strike>Roswell alien</strike> erudite genders apart.Since female elves look <i><b>hideous</b></i> in SOGA, I view them in the original (non-WoW) mode...and I can't say that I really notice much in the way of a bustline - wood elves, in particular, seem a bit on the small side to me.  Sure, its there, and I can see that they <i><b>have</b></i> a bust...but none of them look overly excessive.  Even ogres and barbarians, who <i><b>do</b></i> have a healthy rack, seem appropriate - barbarians originally came from cold climes, and a build like that would be the norm, not the exception.  I am sure there would be an equally logical explanation for ogres as well.But I will agree that a slider is the answer...give the player a choice.  Choice is always the way to go.

[Hamervelder]

<cite>Chayna wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only complaint I have about bust size in the game is there isn't a slider to make them smaller if desired. The reason they appear gravity defying is that they don't move, or at least not much. Maybe at puberty every humanoid or elfin female is given a bra of stone breast. Trust me you don't want those things going all directions when you're in a fight. I'd love a slider that made them smaller if desired. I'd love a little more response to inertia. But I don't see either happening.Actually the bustage in eq2 seems more modest than in eq1. From memory I'd estimate that the Velious models are bigger. <b>[Removed for Content] are not the root of all evil regardless of size</b>. Both men who want them and women who possess them may obsess about them so I really don't think the devs have any particular fancy for them (no more than anyone else). Heck I would be more concerned why all the male models are a bit wimpy looking. </blockquote>[Removed for Content] are God's gift to mankind.  Just ask Rodney Carrington.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And yeah, where are my character's pecs?  How about some manly shoulders?  Why do they all look like sissy boys?

[steelbadger]

I was going to point out that our characters are meant to be young and vibrant (thus the proliferation of large firm jubblies) and that they may in fact me wearing a Norrathian Wonder bra.   I was also going to post some pictures of infeasibly large wongas in real-life but decided against them as they would probably be moderated...Has anyone thought of this though...Our characters start out young, fine, with the correct bra a young lady can look like they are sporting two volleyballs on their chest, but what about their lifetime?  They spend all thei time running and, for want of a better word, jiggling about.  That would cause untold damage, indeed by lvl 80 I imagine female scouts (as i don't think sports bra's are mentioned in the fluff) would likely have their badoinkies hanging somewhere in the region of their knees.So, SOE have, imo, three choices:1)  Limit female characters to walking until gnomes invent the sports bra2)  Say that Norrath has sports bra's, but that they can be quite happily be constucted from chainmail3)  Give us a bijongas evolution as the character ages.I feel it is only fair.( <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> )

[Guy De Alsace]

<p>I didnt know the devs liked Indian trucks? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p><a href="http://www.tatamotors.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.tatamotors.com/</a></p>

[Snowdonia]

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[WeatherMan]

<cite>steelbadger wrote:</cite><blockquote>I was going to point out that our characters are meant to be young and vibrant (thus the proliferation of large firm jubblies) and that they may in fact me wearing a Norrathian Wonder bra.   I was also going to post some pictures of infeasibly large wongas in real-life but decided against them as they would probably be moderated...Has anyone thought of this though...Our characters start out young, fine, with the correct bra a young lady can look like they are sporting two volleyballs on their chest, but what about their lifetime?  They spend all thei time running and, for want of a better word, jiggling about.  That would cause untold damage, indeed by lvl 80 I imagine female scouts (as i don't think sports bra's are mentioned in the fluff) would likely have their badoinkies hanging somewhere in the region of their knees.So, SOE have, imo, three choices:1)  Limit female characters to walking until gnomes invent the sports bra2)  Say that Norrath has sports bra's, but that they can be quite happily be constucted from chainmail3)  Give us a bijongas evolution as the character ages.I feel it is only fair.( <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> )</blockquote>You forgot 'accept selective gravity'... any barbarian female can attest to this.  Only plate armor would inhibit the...uh...natural sway of things during movement.  But two things need to be taken into account.One, the developers have other things to worry about than cup sizes.  Don't ask me what, because the community has been howling for appearance options and clothing items for a looooong time...but there has to be <i><b>something</b></i>...right?Two, the supposedly imminent skeletal revamp, which will be here 'Soon' (TM), <i><b>may</b></i> enable someone to make physical changes along the lines of SWG or Vanguard.  I personally am not going to hold my breath, because SOE's recordd on such things, in a nutshell, stinks.  I'll believe it when I see it.

[Dragowulf]

dude boobies are the game.  no one would play if they were little "ti tis". hahahaha