Researching Coercers, something I don't understand...

[Murc]

why is Charm not a Master II choice at any level?

[KamidariTuibumbi]

I don't think pets for any class are ever a master2 choice...  Sony just doesn't swing that way for some reason. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I suspect it's because they usually try to avoid a 'must have' master2 choice, which a pet almost surely would be.

[XFnarX]

Because they enjoy [Removed for Content] in our cheerios?

[Rijacki]

<cite>Nicia@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think pets for any class are ever a master2 choice...  Sony just doesn't swing that way for some reason. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />I suspect it's because they usually try to avoid a 'must have' master2 choice, which a pet almost surely would be.</blockquote>They stated that specifically when the first put in the master II choices.However, there are some Master II choices that become the must have for certain roles (i.e. the hate buff for dirges in T6 or T7, if the dirge was the MT dirge).

[Jeepned2]

They did that so that the few lucky people who loot the Master I charm spell can hit the jackpot and charge a small (and maybe not so small) fortune for them. I won't say how much I paid for my T7 master, let's just say a little over 100 plat... ok, let's say a lot over.  Can't wait to see the price tag on the T8 master when it hits the broker. I can easily see it going for 500 plat plus on some servers.

[Oriax]

Well the same goes for Conjuror and Necromancer, they never get a permanent pet for a Master 2 choice.

[Aule]

You don't need the current tier Master I spell for charm btw, you can use the level 20 version if you have to.  Just use whatever level charm you can get the Master I for at a not unreasonable-to-you cost.

[Sonorod]

<p>You really have to consider that a MII charm at any teir would be really overpowered.  The spell would be the only charm used through the end of time, every other charm m1 or lower would be a waste of itemization.</p><p>A pet that always used all their abilities at m2?  As cool as that sounds, overpowered. We complain about them making things uncharmed now because we find something with great power, just think how we'd feel if coercers all ran around with their m2 spell charming cats in the suburbs cuz you know that's all that would be left to charm at m2.</p>

[Murc]

<cite>Aule@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You don't need the current tier Master I spell for charm btw, you can use the level 20 version if you have to.  Just use whatever level charm you can get the Master I for at a not unreasonable-to-you cost.</blockquote>does the level of the Charm spell affect the quality of the charmed pet?

[Illine]

the quality of the pet does depend of the quality of the spell. And big difference between AD 3 and master 1.resistability does not change.level of the spell has no impact on the quality of the pet.so if you had a let's say T7 M2 choice, everybody in T8 would have taken it. it would be too powerfull

[Rijacki]

<cite>Tarklus@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aule@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You don't need the current tier Master I spell for charm btw, you can use the level 20 version if you have to.  Just use whatever level charm you can get the Master I for at a not unreasonable-to-you cost.</blockquote>does the level of the Charm spell affect the quality of the charmed pet?</blockquote>The amount of damage your pet will do is governed by the quality of the spell.  A Master pet will do heaps more damage than a non-master.

[Murc]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tarklus@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aule@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You don't need the current tier Master I spell for charm btw, you can use the level 20 version if you have to.  Just use whatever level charm you can get the Master I for at a not unreasonable-to-you cost.</blockquote>does the level of the Charm spell affect the quality of the charmed pet?</blockquote>The amount of damage your pet will do is governed by the quality of the spell.  A Master pet will do heaps more damage than a non-master.</blockquote>ok, I understand that about the quality of the spell.  but the post I've quoted says "you can use the level 20 version if you have to". so what exactly does the "Tier" of the Charm spell affect?

[Aurumn]

<p>IIRC (not home to check my toon atm) the tier of the spell affects the health/power regen for the pet and the max duration of the charm. I know one of my charms was 10 min max and a later one was something like 15min. If they break before that time runs out (or you kill em off first) the duration of the charm is irrelevant. Hence folks saying any level M1 is better than current level Adept III. You get more boom out of the pet while you have it. </p><p>(feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that folks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</p>

[Aule]

<cite>Mezzmyrelda@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>IIRC (not home to check my toon atm) the tier of the spell affects the health/power regen for the pet and the max duration of the charm. I know one of my charms was 10 min max and a later one was something like 15min. If they break before that time runs out (or you kill em off first) the duration of the charm is irrelevant. Hence folks saying any level M1 is better than current level Adept III. You get more boom out of the pet while you have it. </p><p>(feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that folks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> )</p></blockquote><p>You're essentially right.  The only thing you left out is that the 3s mez when charm breaks is the only part of the spell that is affected by the "resistability increases against targets above level xx".</p><p>So if you're using a master charm spell that's 2 tiers lower you're at slightly more risk in that the mob most likely won't be mez'd when charm breaks.</p>