Mythical loot messages should *not* cause a popup message

[sliderhouserules]

I really don't care if I get a chat message, but getting a popup message right in the middle of my UI when someone loots their mythical weapon is rather ridiculous with how often it's happening. There needs to be an easy way to turn this off without affecting the things popups were *meant* to indicate. Popups are part of my UI, and should be used to alert me to things that affect *my* character, not to give kudos to someone for completing a quest. As I said, I don't mind the chat message. But get rid of the popups. This needs to be done sooner than later.

[Mercuratrayin]

Or what I see happening. Kudos to the top guild, then kudos to all their alts, then secondary alts, which really puts a [Removed for Content] on everyone else who hasnt even gotten halfway to their first one.Its like. Ok You can put the tape away now, we all know you have big epeen.

[Troubor]

<p>Guess I don't care either way, and I'm someone who MAY see his Mythical upgrade sometime this expansion, may not.  Do like it when I see people I'm friends with and aquainted with get theirs, and don't mind it even when it's people I don't like all that much on my server.</p><p>The message is a holdover from when a mythical item was something one MIGHT see once or twice per expansion..period.  As in no more then one or two TOTAl mythical items period on the server for that expansion or adventure pack.  But even so, I don't mind the message.  It's better then LoN spam..oh..sorry I mean "adverts" anyway.  I'm amazed they haven't put LoN "adverts" on the main pop up message yet...and I'm hoping I didn't just give them an idea.</p>

[Wyrmypops]

<p>Hehe, glad someone else brought this up. Was iffy about doing so myself, expecting frothing raiders to come out "but I worked hard for that! I don't care what you say or how you say it, you're jealous" as if being amongst that many people and whacking those mobs is noteworthy effort superior to the high end accomplishments of other playstyles. </p><p>Personally, couldn't care less if Random Stranger just killed X raid mobs and got a reward for it.  I wouldn't offer a grats for it. I wouldn't imagine one would matter to them either, "ooh, random stranger just sent me a grats, my life is complete". I rather suspect most people that give a monkeys whether they got it or not would be with them on the raid, or in their guild. </p><p>It's hardly something to quit over. But sure, it's a minor gyp I could do without, and don't see the benefit to it in the first place to make it a feature. Even a minor gyp though, especially one with no up-side, warrants the consideration of getting rid of it. </p><p>Still, less annoying than LoN spam. </p>

[sliderhouserules]

I just wanted to stress that I don't care about the chat message (equivalent to LoN spam). I just hate the popup message, like when you harvest a rare, or find a new area, etc.

[Armawk]

As someone who will certainly never see such an item, I dont mind a 2 second popup at all.. its not THAT often, and its the type of message I get dozens of all the time anyway.

[Oh]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote>As someone who will certainly never see such an item, I dont mind a 2 second popup at all.. its not THAT often, and its the type of message I get dozens of all the time anyway. </blockquote><p>Shortly after the mythical epic was released yes you got this spam THAT OFTEN. now /shrug don't really care cause frankly most of the mains, alts, 2ndary alts,and now even scrubby guilds are more/less done getting them. Of course I'm not in that list but whatever. I was happy for them when they got them, maybe after i reach level 200 i might be able to get it. /shrug doesn't really matter.</p><p>As to the "pop up" message, I moved that from the center of my screen off to the side so that it doesn't bother me. Yea i see the text saying all of norath cares in the chat window, but that is it.</p>

[Rqron]

The sad fact is, because it has become such a common event that the mythical is not really anything to brag about anymore..it is not throughly a mythical weapon anymore...it has become common raid loot. It does NOT reflect any greatness of the player to get it...I do not say it is not hard to get, but its still is too easy to get....at this point into the game too many people have gotten the weapon to make it something special, the "Great Mythical Weapons" have been degenerated to the same lvl as any other high end T8 raiding loot.  A real mythical weapon should be so hard to get that only the most daring adventurers would go out to seek it and it should have been a journey that would have taken them 5 or 6 month MINIMUM to archive....a real mythical quest..Achievable only by a couple people of each class the "throughly dedicated"..not something a higher end T8 raid force does as a by the by for all members, alts, and scrubs. J.C.

[Rqron]

<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote>As someone who will certainly never see such an item, I dont mind a 2 second popup at all.. its not THAT often, and its the type of message I get dozens of all the time anyway. </blockquote><p>Shortly after the mythical epic was released yes you got this spam THAT OFTEN. now /shrug don't really care cause frankly most of the mains, alts, 2ndary alts,and now even scrubby guilds are more/less done getting them. Of course I'm not in that list but whatever. I was happy for them when they got them, maybe after i reach level 200 i might be able to get it. /shrug doesn't really matter.</p><p>As to the "pop up" message, I moved that from the center of my screen off to the side so that it doesn't bother me. Yea i see the text saying all of norath cares in the chat window, but that is it.</p></blockquote>Strange thing is...I don't even get a pop up message in my UI... I only see it in the chat window and really don't even pay attention...its not worth one second of my timeJ.C.

[Grimlux]

Im glad they cause a popup. EVERYONE someday will have one if they work on it. Im a freaking casual player and have my epic. I am proud of that achievement. Why would you want to defile someone else's achievement? Does the announcement really bug you that bad? Please take your paxil before posting next time.

[DngrMou]

<p>Here's a fix:</p><p>When the window pops up, right click it, disable click through enable, and make it draggable.  The next time it pops up after that, you can drag it almost completely off screen....where it will remain.  </p>

[Rqron]

<cite>Praetorate@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Im glad they cause a popup. EVERYONE someday will have one if they work on it. Im a freaking casual player and have my epic. I am proud of that achievement. Why would you want to defile someone else's achievement? Does the announcement really bug you that bad? Please take your paxil before posting next time.</blockquote>Nobody will take that away from you and nobody wants too..but just because someone does something that has become common place amongst high end raid guilds does not mean someone else should have to be bothered and interrupted in his enjoyment of the game. Just because someone wants to show of his achievement does not mean it has to interrupt others game play. If it would be a real worldwide achievement something rare and grand ..yes. But it is not...not anymore. It is time to disable this feature.J.C.

[denmom]

I understand why the OP feels the way he/she does.I'm on the same server, and it's become a weekendly occurance to see the message.  Sometimes over the week it'll pop up too.I can see how it was the last straw for the OP as well.  Last night the message appeared in rapid succession three times, then about five mins or so another rapid succession of four, then another three or so a few moments later. Me, I don't mind...but I do understand why some do.

[Lilj]

<cite>Praetorate@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Im glad they cause a popup. EVERYONE someday will have one if they work on it. Im a freaking casual player and have my epic. I am proud of that achievement.<b> Why would you want to defile someone else's achievement?</b> Does the announcement really bug you that bad? Please take your paxil before posting next time.</blockquote>You don't think you are taking this a tad out of context here? So by not knowing you have gotten your epic, we are defiling your achievement? But perhaps you don't know what defile means? That would excuse you..kinda.

[Mayl]

<p>My UI is all default and I never get a pop up message in the UI for this.</p><p>I get the screen message (ie when you zone or loot something and appears in the middle of the screen then fades in 2 seconds) and chat text where you can click the link . </p><p>I NEVER have to click a pop up box or anything then fables are looted.</p><p>So a non issue to me </p>

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Mayl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I get the screen message (ie when you zone or loot something and appears in the middle of the screen then fades in 2 seconds)</p></blockquote>This is a popup as the term is used for the EQ2 UI.

[erin]

<cite>Praetorate@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Im glad they cause a popup. EVERYONE someday will have one if they work on it. Im a freaking casual player and have my epic. I am proud of that achievement. Why would you want to defile someone else's achievement? Does the announcement really bug you that bad? Please take your paxil before posting next time.</blockquote>Seriously, its that important to you that a bunch of people who don't know you and will never ever interact with you are aware of your "achievement"?Personally when I achieve something in game, the only people I share it with are my guild, my friends, and maybe if its something really big, some other acquaintances.  Craving the approval of the entire server... maybe the OP isn't the one who needs to go find their meds?

[Laoch69]

<p>I wouldn't have much of a problemwith it, if it was in fact a "rare" event...but getting a "mythical" message, 20+ times in one hour (I have seen it) hardly emphasizes that the items are in fact Mythical no?</p><p>We have options to turn off ooc, shout, auction and spam..why would there not be an option for "mythical" messages....especially when it is hardly mythical.</p><p>I really don't need to see a message everytime someone gets a mythical weapon, and If I was that interested in seeing what one looked like, there is always this thing called the "internet" where I can copy and past a link to the weapon right into eq2 to see what it looks like.</p><p>Dear SOE, turn it off, or give us the option to do so.</p>

[Amphibia]

<cite>Rqron wrote:</cite><blockquote>The sad fact is, because it has become such a common event that the mythical is not really anything to brag about anymore..it is not throughly a mythical weapon anymore...it has become common raid loot. It does NOT reflect any greatness of the player to get it...I do not say it is not hard to get, but its still is too easy to get....at this point into the game too many people have gotten the weapon to make it something special, the "Great Mythical Weapons" have been degenerated to the same lvl as any other high end T8 raiding loot.  A real mythical weapon should be so hard to get that only the most daring adventurers would go out to seek it and it should have been a journey that would have taken them 5 or 6 month MINIMUM to archive....a real mythical quest..Achievable only by a couple people of each class the "throughly dedicated"..not something a higher end T8 raid force does as a by the by for all members, alts, and scrubs. J.C.</blockquote>What are you talking about? You do realize that "mythical" only means one step above fabled in quality? That's all it means, and it never meant anything more special than that. I think one of the devs explained this a while back.You're clearly confusing mythicals with artifacts, but even though artifacts tend to be of mythical quality - it isn't the same thing.

[LygerT]

<p>i really am having a hard time believing that a 3 second popup which hardly affects your gameplay is really that much of a distraction that people need to whine about it.</p><p>i do believe the message should only be triggered once per account, it is the guilds with members who are getting mythicals for each of their 5 alts is what has degraded the status of mythicals so much not the work to get them. </p>

[Jeepned2]

OK, everyone all together.....1 ........ 2  ........ 3...... WHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!. Geez, is this all you have to cry about?

[Ranger13]

<p>I think it's rather cool no matter how many times I see it.</p><p> /shrug</p>

[TaleraRis]

It can get rather annoying, when you've got the popup up there for important things, to see it over and over and over again. It's not really a significant event if you see it constantly. It should be something that happens only the first time the event happens on a server, and never again. So each person who was the first to get their mythical would get it, and no others.I'd also like to see it done for more firsts in things other than just looting an item.

[Oh]

<cite>Jeepned2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>OK, everyone all together.....1 ........ 2  ........ 3...... WHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!. Geez, is this all you have to cry about?</blockquote>While you do have a valid opinion, I think you are missing the point. No one is really complaining that folks are getting mythicals. The issue is more that getting mythicals is a common place event and why should there be such a big hopha over such a thing. Seriously when i looted a rusty dagger everyone on norath stood still for a moment of silence.. You see how rediculious that message is? It's the same with mythicals.

[Illmarr]

<cite>Jeepned2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>OK, everyone all together.....1 ........ 2  ........ 3...... WHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!. Geez, is this all you have to cry about?</blockquote>Agreed 100% and the odds of me seeing mine while it's anything resembling current content are zero

[bleap]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote>I really don't care if I get a chat message, but getting a popup message right in the middle of my UI when someone loots their mythical weapon is rather ridiculous with how often it's happening. There needs to be an easy way to turn this off without affecting the things popups were *meant* to indicate. Popups are part of my UI, and should be used to alert me to things that affect *my* character, not to give kudos to someone for completing a quest. As I said, I don't mind the chat message. But get rid of the popups. This needs to be done sooner than later.</blockquote>Especially on Guk where the majority who are getting them are members of a guild who were basically given the strats to get them in the first place....It's pretty anti climatic to see the names of that guild and their alts pop up knowing that they had to resort to cheating to get world wide firsts.../wave NPU

[sliderhouserules]

This really needs to be changed. Really, it does.

[Iceman7]

<p>Next thread will be someone complaining that it rains too much in Ant. or that not enough guards salute them in the cities. This player wins for most useless complaint of the year.</p>

[Levatino]

<cite>Rqron wrote:</cite><blockquote>The sad fact is, because it has become such a common event that the mythical is not really anything to brag about anymore..it is not throughly a mythical weapon anymore...it has become common raid loot. It does NOT reflect any greatness of the player to get it...I do not say it is not hard to get, but its still is too easy to get....at this point into the game too many people have gotten the weapon to make it something special, the "Great Mythical Weapons" have been degenerated to the same lvl as any other high end T8 raiding loot.  A real mythical weapon should be so hard to get that only the most daring adventurers would go out to seek it and it should have been a journey that would have taken them 5 or 6 month MINIMUM to archive....a real mythical quest..Achievable only by a couple people of each class the "throughly dedicated"..not something a higher end T8 raid force does as a by the by for all members, alts, and scrubs. J.C.</blockquote>you are right yet the Sk weapon has to be discovered on 3 servers still..

[Donruss]

<cite>Iceman7 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Next thread will be someone complaining that it rains too much in Ant. or that not enough guards salute them in the cities. This player wins for most useless complaint of the year.</p></blockquote>Obviously its NOT the most useless complaint of the year if he has a good % of people here agreeing with him.

[Nyine]

<b>I don't see the issue with a message being said after a Mythical.Being in a high end raiding guild ,myself, Perhaps I don't know...Appreciate it on a different level knowing what it took, the TIME, the repair bills, the focus, the going over strats. The Flagging. The Back Flagging. That Mythical was hard earned not just by One person (whom receives the Mythical.) But by each and everyone in that raid. So, yes it maybe that toons Mythical but it was bought and paid for with each and every raider on at that time in that guild. Why on earth should that not be "spammed."  Thats a hell of an accomplishment.Just my opinion.</b>

[Wyrmypops]

<p>It's no doubt an accomplishment. Nothing could take away from that. But it's an accomplishment that the people in the raid and persons guild are pretty much the only people that would care enough to note it being accomplished. The rest of the server, not so much. I couldn't care less if Random_Person_073 got a mythical epic, I wouldn't send a congrats their way - just as if or when I get mine I wouldn't expect anyone else to care enough to do so and wouldn't be moved by a congrats from Random_Person_074 anyway. </p><p>Norrath is certainly not still for a moment as Random_Person_075 gets their epic, Norrath couldn't give a monkeys. </p><p>Plenty of other accomplishments to be made in the game, under other playstyles, but they ain't deemed "whoo hoo" enough to be passed on to the rest of the server? I'd personally be more likely to "grats" a guildee getting a ding or legendary bit of gear than a stranger getting something fancier.   </p><p>Removing this "Norrath is still for a moment" alert doesnt take away from the accomplishment, but is more about empowering the playerbase in seeing what matters to them and not seeing what isn't. </p>

[Nyine]

<b>If no one cared, as you said, (speaking for the server I am on.) when it is announced why in level chat do people say congrats? If no one cared, that is, then there wouldn't be a response.Once someone says "Good Job or Congrats." You are acknowledging the act itself.It's like when people say "Ding level 80." In level chat. Do you say Congrats or Good job? Granted it isn't "spamed." necessarily, but regardless that person feels a sense of pride for reaching that goal.  And who deems what matters to the player base? You? Me? Who?Be it crafting, leveling or working for Mythicals , for me, it is about a few different things. Accomplishment as a Player, As a Guild and being apart of the Server Community.I would acknowledge anyone for their accomplishment. Because positive breeds a positive. Not sure what server everyone plays on but seriously does this happen 24 hours a day 7 days a week that this "spam." occurs? On mine, No. Not everyday, So i don't see the hassle of it. But then again i really don't care if it is spamed through out Norrath. Perhaps because, like i stated, i appreciate what it Took to get there and receive it.Maybe I just have a different point of view.</b>

[Cele]

<p>Although I dont raid, and havent even bothered to start my mythical  ( becasue IO know I wont be able to do the end part), I still think its cool when someone gets theirs. </p><p>At first, the pop ups were non stop, but even then, I didnt mind.  And I still dont mind.  To me, no big deal at all.</p>

[Daysy]

A bunch of level 80s getting their mythical wotsits has achieved no more than a similar bunch of level 20s killing the windstalker rumber but there'd soon enough be bleating if everyone got a pop-up for that. There should be a way to disable the mythical messages without having to move or disable other popup messages.

[Ishina]

I read this thread and died a little bit inside. What is wrong with just saying "congrats" to your fellow player? This is dressed up envy in my opinion. Nobody can possibly be so irritated by something like this otherwise.Pfft... what a sorry state.

[LygerT]

<p>there probably should be a way to disable it(and probably is) for those who don't care enough to be bothered with it.</p><p>i personally interact with the majority of my servers population and it surely was a nice gesture from people when i got the tells but it's not like it wasn't something i could have announced myself in open chat channel(even though i rarely do that type of thing) so i see where it may be a bit intrusive. </p><p>i still hardly see why its truly worth complaining over compared to LoN spam every so often for example. </p>

[Amphibia]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I read this thread and died a little bit inside. What is wrong with just saying "congrats" to your fellow player? This is dressed up envy in my opinion. Nobody can possibly be so irritated by something like this otherwise.Pfft... what a sorry state.</blockquote>I don't think it's just that, to be honest.Personally I don't care much one way or the other, but it <i>does</i> get a little annoying to have this huge window pop up on my screen every time someone completes that quest, whether it's for their actual main, an alt or just someone who bought the updates for 600 plat. I personally think this event isn't special enough for a broadcast message. It makes me not pay attention to those messages anymore, because frankly it happens all the time. That sort of thing should be reserved for one time pr. server events only.

[Ishina]

<cite></cite>Really? How much exactly does it 'annoy' you? <i>Why</i> does it?Shrug.Maybe it's a server thing. Someone gets their mythical on AB and a whole bunch of people say awesome, well done, grats, gg. Stuff like that puts a smile on my face. Community spirit maybe. Great to know that people actually give a [flying monkey] not just about themselves and their own immediate bubble existence. Do certain servers foster a welcoming and friendly community? Or is there really people on all servers twisted and bitter in the background, getting all bent out of shape because a few lines of text has the audacity to 'invade' their screen?Pathetic, imo. Really disappointing.edit: the filter is fickle today

[SirDinadan]

At first, it was pretty interesting to see.  But now that the raid guilds have run their mains, alts, and second alts through it.. and are now providing 'raid tour' spots for non-raiders to get theirs for a fee.. it's just an annoyance.

[BrainCandy]

<p>Well coming from Nagafen I am sorta tired of seeing "so and so exiled" looted a mythical.  Am I bitter?  Maybe. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> -BC</p>

[Amphibia]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Really? How much exactly does it 'annoy' you? <i>Why</i> does it?Shrug.Maybe it's a server thing. Someone gets their mythical on AB and a whole bunch of people say awesome, well done, grats, gg. Stuff like that puts a smile on my face. Community spirit maybe. Great to know that people actually give a [flying monkey] not just about themselves and their own immediate bubble existence. Do certain servers foster a welcoming and friendly community? Or is there really people on all servers twisted and bitter in the background, getting all bent out of shape because a few lines of text has the audacity to 'invade' their screen?Pathetic, imo. Really disappointing.edit: the filter is fickle today</blockquote>Sitting on a really high horse today, are we?I barely notice it, to be honest. I stopped caring a long time ago. It's annoying only because the window is [Removed for Content] huge and gets in the way when I try to do my own things. I guess it makes me some kind of bad person because I don't want to drop whatever I'm doing to pay attention to a message saying that some stranger completed a quest that has been completed by hundreds of people before him.If the server wide message had been broadcast only the first time someone completed each of those quests on the server, then yes - it would have been an awesome thing and worthy of congratulations in the chat channels. But it isn't like that at all - it's just something the raiding guilds do every night, and at this point I bet it's mainly alts, new members and people who pay for updated who complete that quest. Good for them, but I think the messages should stop now. Call me pathetic all you want, but I honestly do not care if someone completes the epic quest on their third alt or whatever. Why should I? Don't even know these people, and it happens all the time.So let me spell it out for you one more time - it isn't <i><b>special</b></i> anymore.

[LygerT]

a huge popup? it must be my UI 'cause i barely notice it most of the time and it's only up for 2-3 seconds and doesn't impede gameplay at all.

[Nyine]

<b>"It isn't special anymore"Wow, I lol'ed when reading some of this.Let me tell you why..I hope you understand Some guilds haven't even received their mythicals. (That are high end raiding) And now you upset because such and such a guild is getting them for mains and alts etc etc. But now people are complaining over this and wanting to take down the server wide message because their sick of seeing it...Wow, how about the rest of the guilds who are busting their backs to try and achieve this? So because of Oh i don't know one or two nights of seeing it from one, two guilds and sporadic nights this must mean it has lost it's value?Nice.Sort of like seeing such n such a guild obtain level such n such...I know on the server I am on their is one guild that has their Mythical's And two guilds trying to get their own. here is a suggestion:Why not take a step back from this and take the little bit of time to fully understand what it takes to get a Mythical. The mechanic's of it all. The time invested to gettting it. The cost (when i say cost I mean repair bills, sigents, repair kits) You think Vp is a walk in the park? And now people are ruffled over a bit of "messages" that last what a whole Minute?  That one minute for You seeing it equals weeks or even months of that guild getting that update.Just my opinion.</b>

[Amphibia]

<cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>a huge popup? it must be my UI 'cause i barely notice it most of the time and it's only up for 2-3 seconds and doesn't impede gameplay at all. </blockquote>Got a small screen. However, the pop up isn't <i>that</i> much of an issue. This whole thing actually isn't so much of an issue either, I just don't think it's necessary to broadcast it anymore. As someone else said, Norrath certainly doesn't stand still for a moment when it's the 100th time someone gets their epic on the server, and it's also just an alt. It just makes those messages a little pointless, I think. But it is hardly a big deal.

[Ishina]

Maybe some people would like a single player game mode.

[erin]

<cite>Phyre wrote:</cite><blockquote><b>"It isn't special anymore"Wow, I lol'ed when reading some of this.Let me tell you why..I hope you understand Some guilds haven't even received their mythicals. (That are high end raiding) And now you upset because such and such a guild is getting them for mains and alts etc etc. But now people are complaining over this and wanting to take down the server wide message because their sick of seeing it...Wow, how about the rest of the guilds who are busting their backs to try and achieve this? So because of Oh i don't know one or two nights of seeing it from one, two guilds and sporadic nights this must mean it has lost it's value?Nice.Sort of like seeing such n such a guild obtain level such n such...I know on the server I am on their is one guild that has their Mythical's And two guilds trying to get their own. here is a suggestion:Why not take a step back from this and take the little bit of time to fully understand what it takes to get a Mythical. The mechanic's of it all. The time invested to gettting it. The cost (when i say cost I mean repair bills, sigents, repair kits) You think Vp is a walk in the park? And now people are ruffled over a bit of "messages" that last what a whole Minute?  That one minute for You seeing it equals weeks or even months of that guild getting that update.Just my opinion.</b></blockquote>So you are saying that if a guild is busting their backs to get something, they deserve for the whole server to pay attention right?  How about smaller guilds that are just barely able to complete some lower end zone, do they deserve attention too?  No?  Why not?  By your reasoning anyone trying hard should get recognition.That lower tier zone might also equal months of effort for a guild but because its not the top end content it doesn't deserve recognition?

[Nyine]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Phyre wrote:</cite><blockquote><b>"It isn't special anymore"Wow, I lol'ed when reading some of this.Let me tell you why..I hope you understand Some guilds haven't even received their mythicals. (That are high end raiding) And now you upset because such and such a guild is getting them for mains and alts etc etc. But now people are complaining over this and wanting to take down the server wide message because their sick of seeing it...Wow, how about the rest of the guilds who are busting their backs to try and achieve this? So because of Oh i don't know one or two nights of seeing it from one, two guilds and sporadic nights this must mean it has lost it's value?Nice.Sort of like seeing such n such a guild obtain level such n such...I know on the server I am on their is one guild that has their Mythical's And two guilds trying to get their own. here is a suggestion:<span style="color: #ff0000;">Why not take a step back from this and take the little bit of time to fully understand what it takes to get a Mythical. The mechanic's of it all. The time invested to gettting it. The cost (when i say cost I mean repair bills, sigents, repair kits) </span>You think Vp is a walk in the park? And now people are ruffled over a bit of "messages" that last what a whole Minute?  That one minute for You seeing it equals weeks or even months of that guild getting that update.Just my opinion.</b></blockquote>So you are saying that if a guild is busting their backs to get something, they deserve for the whole server to pay attention right?  How about smaller guilds that are just barely able to complete some lower end zone, do they deserve attention too?  No?  Why not?  By your reasoning anyone trying hard should get recognition.That lower tier zone might also equal months of effort for a guild but because its not the top end content it doesn't deserve recognition?</blockquote><b>Don't you think I included the teir's into my thought? Please don't assume to know what I am thinking. The progression of going through the teirs of Rok progression towards Mythicals was and is included to this. When i say Vp isn't a walk in the park it is because that is the last Stage. The Red highlight Is directed to Your statement.</b>

[Giral]

<p>i dont know what it's like on other servers, but on Butcherblock when anyone gets there Mythical i see nothing but people congratulating them for getting there mythical, (Butcherblock FTW) </p><p>are people getting there mythical every single day? are there endless pop ups every night? Nope, most servers have between 1 to 4 guids even capable of defeating endgame content and people that have done all the rest to get ther mythical,  its rare to see mythical message pop ups , think we have gone about 1 month since the last time we saw numerous people get there mythical update at the same time /Grats Aftermath on all your new mythicals lastnight </p><p>realy is sad how people can take no joy in anyone elses accomplishments, and can do nothing but think of themselves and how a quick pop up message or 10 on very rare occasions completely ruins there game play. literaly 10 people and 10 seconds of pop ups is just that 10 whole seconds .  10 seconds , 10 seconds , it has taken longer for anyone to actualy take the time to enter this thread/read the posts or atleast the op and respond with there own post,   but i guees it's time well spent to ruin any lasting remains of a social aspect in a RPGMMO</p><p>a Big Gratz from me to any who have gotten there Mythical and any who will befor a level increase /Cheer, you put in the effort and deserve your rewards. and i persoanly look forward to seeing your name up in lights for a tiny moment /Salute </p>

[erin]

<cite>Giralus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>i dont know what it's like on other servers, but on Butcherblock when anyone gets there Mythical i see nothing but people congratulating them for getting there mythical, (Butcherblock FTW) </p><p>are people getting there mythical every single day? are there endless pop ups every night? Nope, most servers have between 1 to 4 guids even capable of defeating endgame content and people that have done all the rest to get ther mythical,  its rare to see mythical message pop ups , think we have gone about 1 month since the last time we saw numerous people get there mythical update at the same time /Grats Aftermath on all your new mythicals lastnight </p><p>realy is sad how people can take no joy in anyone elses accomplishments, and can do nothing but think of themselves and how a quick pop up message or 10 on very rare occasions completely ruins there game play. literaly 10 people and 10 seconds of pop ups is just that 10 whole seconds .  10 seconds , 10 seconds , it has taken longer for anyone to actualy take the time to enter this thread/read the posts or atleast the op and respond with there own post,   but i guees it's time well spent to ruin any lasting remains of a social aspect in a RPGMMO</p><p>a Big Gratz from me to any who have gotten there Mythical and any who will befor a level increase /Cheer, you put in the effort and deserve your rewards. and i persoanly look forward to seeing your name up in lights for a tiny moment /Salute </p></blockquote>So many people missed the entire point of the thread, this being a prime example.  It isn't about being happy for whoever got their mythical, it isn't about NOT gratzing people, it isn't about being social.  Its only about that stupid window that pops up that some people haven't figured out how to disable.Just FYI so we can get back on topic.Somehow people turned it into a whole "you must hate anyone who gets a mythical" thread, and that wasn't the OPs intent, nor almost anyone else who agreed with the OP.

[Ishina]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>So many people missed the entire point of the thread, this being a prime example.  It isn't about being happy for whoever got their mythical, it isn't about NOT gratzing people, it isn't about being social.  Its only about that stupid window that pops up that some people haven't figured out how to disable.Just FYI so we can get back on topic.Somehow people turned it into a whole "you must hate anyone who gets a mythical" thread, and that wasn't the OPs intent, nor almost anyone else who agreed with the OP.</blockquote>No offence, but... who are you trying to fool? From the first couple of posts it's pretty clear what the real issue is.

[Wyrmypops]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>So many people missed the entire point of the thread, this being a prime example.  It isn't about being happy for whoever got their mythical, it isn't about NOT gratzing people, it isn't about being social.  Its only about that stupid window that pops up that some people haven't figured out how to disable.Just FYI so we can get back on topic.Somehow people turned it into a whole "you must hate anyone who gets a mythical" thread, and that wasn't the OPs intent, nor almost anyone else who agreed with the OP.</blockquote>No offence, but... who are you trying to fool? From the first couple of posts it's pretty clear what the real issue is.</blockquote><p>In the absence of psychic skils, it might be best to consider it's what people actually say it is. </p><p>Faux psychic intepretation could be performed in the other direction too and wouldn't be difficult to make those that want this erroneous message to remain to look daft or worse. </p><p>It ain't anywhere near as bothersome as many other things. Obviously it can be ignored, as folk have been having to do so for a while now. But, it shouldn't neccesarily have to be so. However small a negative charts on the scale of things, any negative issue is still worth mentioning for the possibility of it being addressed. </p><p>It's a hang over from <i>real</i> mythical items isn't it? First time take down items from raid mobs isn't it? In itself something I could happily life without, being amongst the huge majority of the non-raiding community. I'd be more impressed by someone that maxed a faction, maxed a craft, whatever. I got no yearning to know what a posse of raiders just did.</p><p>I may get mine sometime though. Might take a run with some raiding friends. Would still prefer that message gone though. I just don't care what strangers get up to in-game and grats their achievements, I do that to folk I know -  nor do I expect a bunch of strangers to care what I get up to and give me empty grats. Who cares when someone dings and crafting/adventure/achivement level, what gear drops for them, what quests they complete - their friends, most of which would be in the raid or their guild. That's all the heads up needed as far as I'm concerned. Not jealous, not a kill-joy, just completely apathetic and would prefer not to be told Norrath is still for a moment as Random_Person_077 just did something. </p><p>Hell, if it's completely neccesary to bore a load fo people then slap it in the chat window, pop-ups are well known as a bad thing.  </p>

[Ishina]

Yeah, who cares. Who cares. Me me me me.Right?Just to be clear, since I think thats where you were headed, I don't have my mythical, and probably never will have it.You mentioned how small a negative it actually is. Well, if that's the case, I'll say that the positive outweighs the negative by far.Good that other people get a little mention. Good that random Joe in xxx got some nice new toy. Good that the world of Norrath stands still for one guy or girl for just 5 seconds. Good stuff. Congratulations all round. More of it please. Make the world actually stop for all I care. In the time it takes for that text to wash across my screen, I could have written a nice friendly "Congratulations" to another player.

[interstellarmatter]

<p>I think that the popup messages need to go away.  They should of only been for the first person within a class on a server getting them.  </p><p>That's why server discoveries for an item only happens one time.  It's not that people have anything against people getting their mythicals.  But the uniquness of the occasion is over.  There has been a server first for that item.  Just like, someone in your class has always been first to reach 80 in your class.  You don't write server 256th lvl 80 Defiler on Nekutlos on your profile.</p><p>And personally, I don't think that the intent was to leave the popup on.  It was just a hold back when mythicals automatically got a server popup.  I wouldn't be surprised to see it disabled in the future.</p>

[erin]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah, who cares. Who cares. Me me me me.Right?Just to be clear, since I think thats where you were headed, I don't have my mythical, and probably never will have it.You mentioned how small a negative it actually is. Well, if that's the case, I'll say that the positive outweighs the negative by far.Good that other people get a little mention. Good that random Joe in xxx got some nice new toy. Good that the world of Norrath stands still for one guy or girl for just 5 seconds. Good stuff. Congratulations all round. More of it please. Make the world actually stop for all I care. In the time it takes for that text to wash across my screen, I could have written a nice friendly "Congratulations" to another player.</blockquote>Why?  I still want to know why you would care if a whole lot of people you don't know and will never interact with say "grats" to you (or whoever got their mythical).  I just don't get that part.  Fortunately for me, I don't get the popup window, just the message anymore, so its now a non-issue.

[Ishina]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Why?  I still want to know why you would care if a whole lot of people you don't know and will never interact with say "grats" to you (or whoever got their mythical).  I just don't get that part.  Fortunately for me, I don't get the popup window, just the message anymore, so its now a non-issue.</blockquote>Because it's <i>nice</i>? What is there not to get? Seems straightforward to me.Maybe I'm just old fashioned.

[erin]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Why?  I still want to know why you would care if a whole lot of people you don't know and will never interact with say "grats" to you (or whoever got their mythical).  I just don't get that part.  Fortunately for me, I don't get the popup window, just the message anymore, so its now a non-issue.</blockquote>Because it's <i>nice</i>? What is there not to get? Seems straightforward to me.Maybe I'm just old fashioned. </blockquote>So should there be a server wide message for every achievement in the game?  Because its nice?

[Ishina]

Hyperbole.

[erin]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hyperbole.</blockquote>Is it?  I felt a sense of achievement when I was one of the first to finish the tradeskill epic.  Why don't I deserve a server-wide message?How about when folks achieve level 80, doesn't that deserve a message?What is an achievement for some (mythicals) is not even part of the gamescape for others.  Why should a server wide achievement announcement be limited to high end raid guilds?  Doesn't that say a lot about what the game manufacturers value?

[Odys]

I dislike this feature. SOE love to feed the ego of some the high end raiders.Should i ask for a world-wide message when i kill solo a ^^^named?SHould we get a world-wide announce when we complete a dungeon with 3 people instead of 6?The message says "Norah is quite ..." amusing it happens 10 time a day. always the same raiding guild.I don't see any exeptionnal deed there, they kill their raiding monster as we kill or single group content.This message should be  removed even if  the annoyance is very minor.

[Kendricke]

<cite>Oustafiak@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't see any exeptionnal deed there, they kill their raiding monster as we kill or single group content.</blockquote><p>I'm curious which single target content in the game is even remotely as difficult as Druusk or Nexona?  Even then, realize that every mythical epic requires not only all the work that went into the fabled epic, but also requires three heroic/epic kills on top of that.  Every mythical epic requires at least one hard dungeon kill or first tier epic kill, AND another first or second tier epic kill, AND a Veeshan's Peak dragon kill.  Of course, before you can even begin the epic, you have to be level 80 to begin with (itself an achievement for many players) as well as capable of finding other players to help you - first with the heroic sections of your epic, and later with the epic/raid portions.</p><p>I can appreciate the annoyance many players claim to have within this discussion, but what it really comes down to is envy.  We can dance around the word all we want, but at the end of the day, very few (if any) people complaining about the mythical message seem to believe it likely that they'll receive their epics anytime soon.  No one here seems quite so upset at seeing the message as they do at having the fact rubbed in their face that there is an item out there which triggers such a message that isn't immediately accessible to players of all playstyles.</p><p>...but that's the point.  It isn't fully accessible to all playstyles.  It requires ALL playstyles.  With the exception of tradeskilling (which has its own form of epic), the mythical epics require solo play, harvesting, grouping, dungeon crawling, and yes - raiding (and not just minor raiding, but coordinated, dedicated, organized raiding).  It should be a given, considering these are the class "epics".  Whether we like it or not, raiding is the hardest content within the game.  It's always been the case.  It's likely to continue being the case.  This is an Everquest title, after all, and Everquest has always, ALWAYS included raiding.  We can argue that it's not good design, but we'd be arguing against <i>10 years</i> of Everquest historical legacy if and when we do so.  </p><p>In old Everquest, it took years for many average players to finally earn their epics.  LONG after the epics had any relevance in many cases, the epics were still seen as a sign of status for many players.  Hopefully, that's still the case here.  As expansions release into the future, it's likely that more players will become powerful enough to finally earn their epics.  When that occurs, will we see those players still claiming that mythicals should not incur a pop-up message?  I'd argue not.</p><p>As George Carlin said, "It's never just a game when you're winning."  </p>

[erin]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I can appreciate the annoyance many players claim to have within this discussion, but what it really comes down to is envy.  </blockquote>Come on, that's the easy answer.  "Oh they're just envious".Sorry but no.  I consciously evaluated the decision and realized that I CHOOSE not to dedicate the kind of time that this achievement requires.What annoys me is that it is valued by the game developers above other achievements.Its made clear, through this message that pops up, that as far as the game developers are concerned, this is the pinnacle of achievement.Thus my CHOSEN playstyle is less valued.I'm not envious of their achievement, I'm annoyed at being an undervalued customer.I grats the mythicals just as I gratz my guildmates for their latest ding or writ or whatever. And honestly I value it just as much.  Its someone's achievement, GRATS!!  But that's it, I give it one second of thought only because the game forces me to.Why this, above all others?  When they've been making the game more solo friendly, more group friendly, why do they continue to value raiding above all other gamestyles?I just don't feel this thing you call envy, I feel underappreciated.  I believe there's a difference.

[Caethre]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>I can appreciate the annoyance many players claim to have within this discussion, <b>but what it really comes down to is envy</b>.  </p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">OOC.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">The thread is a list of people complaining about on-screen spam telling us about achievements <u>they</u> do not value by people they don't know, and not being able to disable that spam. I know if I could switch this spam off, I would, and I know many others who would too. Really, who cares if alt003 of uberguild raider004 gets his/her mythical weapon? I'd prefer to know about people getting their crafting epics frankly! (that is, if I must endure sever-wide spam at all).</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">What is important or valued is very much a matter of perspective, and </span><span style="color: #ff6600;">writing off the feedback of others as merely "envy" because you do not agree with it is just ridiculous.</span></p>

[Kitsune286]

Apologies if someone else has already said this, but...... can you imagine how annoying it would be if Norrath actually stood still for a moment? I'd love to see my arrows suspended in mid-air and the mob stand there confounded as we all ooh and ahh the newest mythical person. =)

[erin]

<cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">OOC.</span></p></blockquote>Totally off topic but what is this?  Out of character?  Its a message board, do people actually post IN character? I've seen this a few times and I don't quite understand.  Explain please?

[Caethre]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Totally off topic but ... Explain please?</blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">OOC.Since this was a question to me specifically and off-topic for the thread, I responded by PM.</span></p>

[Kendricke]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What annoys me is that it is valued by the game developers above other achievements.Its made clear, through this message that pops up, that as far as the game developers are concerned, this is the pinnacle of achievement.Thus my CHOSEN playstyle is less valued.</p><p>...I'm annoyed at being an undervalued customer.</p><p>Why this, above all others? </p><p>...why do they continue to value raiding above all other gamestyles?</p><p>I just don't feel this thing you call envy, I feel underappreciated. </p></blockquote><p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/envy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Envy</a>:  "1. a feeling of discontent or covetousness with regard to another's advantages, success, possessions, etc.</p><p>We can play semantics all day long, but the bottom line is that you're upset because someone is getting a message for their accomplishment and you wish other accomplishments also got that message.  If you'd prefer, we could point out how you simply desire the attention for other playstyles that you feel the developers pay toward raiding.  Or, we can just dance around the word all we want (as I said the first time).  </p><p>If the message was there to commerate a guild acquiring level 80, would there still be such an issue?  Oh wait, we do get such a worldwide message.  I guess it's just raid loot that gets the bum rap.</p>

[Kendricke]

<cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Totally off topic but ... Explain please?</blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">OOC.Since this was a question to me specifically and off-topic for the thread, I responded by PM.</span></p></blockquote><p>Ironically, this is actually a good comparison to make.  </p><p>Earlier, Caethre posted:  "I know if I could switch this spam off, I would, and I know many others who would too. Really, who cares if alt003 of uberguild raider004 gets his/her mythical weapon?"  For years now, people have been asking Caether from time to time about her "OOC." message at the beginning of every posts she makes.  Now, whether or not you like seeing the "OOC." message is irrelevant, but to switch the logic around, I could point out how some players might think it's nice if we had a way to "switch it off".  They might even go so far as to say something constructive like "who cares if alt003 of casualguild tradeskiller004 is speaking out of character?"</p><p>Or maybe that's not a very constructive thing to say at all, come to think of it.  It might even seem a bit rude and generalistic.  Perhaps such wide, sweeping stereotypical statements don't help the discussion in any event.</p><p>This idea that gamewide messages for the mythical epic is a nice touch.  I've seen a few friends pick up their epics that way, and was more than happy to strike up conversations to give them a personal congratulations.  The amount of work that goes into the mythical epic is certainly far from insigificant.  I don't want to say that other rewards may not be as difficult, but certainly the idea of a class epic quest reward deserves a bit more than the typical loot drop - this IS an Everquest title we're talking about here, right?</p>

[KatrinaDeath]

<cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b>i really am having a hard time believing that a 3 second popup which hardly affects your gameplay is really that much of a distraction that people need to whine about it.</b></p><p>i do believe the message should only be triggered once per account, it is the guilds with members who are getting mythicals for each of their 5 alts is what has degraded the status of mythicals so much not the work to get them. </p></blockquote>I could only see this being an issue on a PvP server... And with that said I have no issue with it. A job well done deserves 3 seconds of glory.

[erin]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/envy" target="_blank">Envy</a>:  "1. a feeling of discontent or covetousness with regard to another's advantages, success, possessions, etc.</p><p>We can play semantics all day long, but the bottom line is that you're upset because someone is getting a message for their accomplishment and you wish other accomplishments also got that message. </p></blockquote>Actually I would prefer there was no message at all.  I don't covet their message, I was simply making an exaggerated point... why is their accomplishment more valued by the game developers than others?  I don't covet, I don't envy their message.  I find it, at most, a minor annoyance.I'm not "upset", and I would rather there were no particular playstyles singled out.  Isn't that what every casual vs raider thread is really about?  The feeling that one playstyle is valued more and thus gets more attention/content/love?Whether you call it semantics or not, I don't think what I'm feeling is envy.

[Kendricke]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>The feeling that one playstyle is valued more and thus gets more attention/content/love?</blockquote><p>That feeling right there:  what would you call that if you had to put a word on it?  </p>

[Oh]

Ok why are you guys trying to defend keeping this message? Frankly I could care less about the message because if I don't know the person I still won't know the person after seeing that message. Also some food to think about, you realize in an expansion or two that nice weapon won't be worth a pile of beans? Guess what thou, anyone that gets it even when it isn't worth a pile of beans will still be broadcasting the same silly message. All folks are asking for is a way to turn it off. It's not rocket science, it's not envy, it's just a simple option being asked for.

[Rijacki]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>The feeling that one playstyle is valued more and thus gets more attention/content/love?</blockquote><p>That feeling right there:  what would you call that if you had to put a word on it?  </p></blockquote>Disenchantment.In a way, though, yes you are right, it is a form of envy in the same way a sibling who feels ignored looks at the sibling who gets all the positive attention and praise and wishes that was his/hers.  It's the feeling of despair for that one, that he/she can't gain any recognition for what he/she does unless that one becomes what he/she's not but also knowing that if he/she were to do what the favoured sibling does, he/she will still be dismissed as unimportant. Strictly speaking, it is envy since the neglected child wants even a faction of the same attention he/she perceives the favoured child getting.(I grew up as a lesser sibling... 40 years later, as my father has had a brush with death, I am getting finally getting comments off appreciation for me being me and making my own successes without any "but", so I rather know the feeling).While I think the accolades for the mythic are nice, though over done now with a mythical item that isn't as monumental or singular an event as earlier ones were, I think the devs ARE neglecting other accolades and announcements that could/should be done.  - Guilds are given a chat announcement of each 10 levels right now, it would have been nice to have the last two decant achievements given the same mythical announcement (the pop-up), hopefully level 90 (if caps are increased in the next  expansion) will be.- Some guild associations create in-game events (as an example, the Festival of Unity on AB) and those could be given the same mythical announcement at their start or conclusion.  Heck, they could even be given the same sort of chat announcement as the guild decants. (For big ones, like the Festival of Unity, they -do- get dev/CS help with in-game decorations, so they aren't unknown to those who could put an announcement in).- The first to reach level cap on each server, when cap is raised, for each class, tradeskill as well as adventure, could be given such server wide accolade.I'm sure others could come up with other significant events which are not wholly raid related or even related to raids at all, that could be singled out for accolade.  The pop-up accolade should be reserved for truekly unique and singular moments, something worth "Norrath stills for.."  There are more events that are on par or even more "special" than the raid acquired epic weapon.

[Amphibia]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>The feeling that one playstyle is valued more and thus gets more attention/content/love?</blockquote><p>That feeling right there:  what would you call that if you had to put a word on it?  </p></blockquote>Careful now. It is normally not a wise thing to start playing psychoanalyst over the internet. (Edited out the rest of my reply, because I have a feeling this thread is going nowhere good. )

[NiteWolfe]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/envy" target="_blank">Envy</a>:  "1. a feeling of <span style="color: #cc0000;"><b>discontent</b></span> or covetousness with regard to another's advantages, success, possessions, etc.</p><p>We can play semantics all day long, but the bottom line is that you're upset because someone is getting a message for their accomplishment and you wish other accomplishments also got that message. </p></blockquote>Actually I would prefer there was no message at all.  I don't covet their message, I was simply making an exaggerated point... why is their accomplishment more valued by the game developers than others?  I don't covet, I don't envy their message.  I find it, at most, a minor annoyance.I'm not "upset", and I would rather there were no particular playstyles singled out.  Isn't that what every casual vs raider thread is really about?  The feeling that one playstyle is valued more and thus gets more attention/content/love?Whether you call it semantics or not, I don't think what I'm feeling is envy.</blockquote> So actually this person is correct is saying you are envious of the spam message. Your plainly discontent with it.

[Caethre]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>For years now, people have been asking Caether from time to time about her "OOC." message at the beginning of every posts she makes.  Now, whether or not you like seeing the "OOC." message is irrelevant, but to switch the logic around, I could point out how some players might think it's nice if we had a way to "switch it off". </p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">OOC.</span></p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Relevance? This couldn't be just be making spurious personal jibes, going off-topic, and discussing semantics again could it? You didn't bring my orange font into it as well, I've been asked about that many times as well, surely that is also relevant? </span><span style="color: #ff6600;">The last statement above, where you wish you could switch off any feedback you disagree with and/or which is layed out in a way you do not approve of, says it all really.</span> <p><span style="color: #ff6600;"><u><b>So, back on topic :-</b></u></span></p><p><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This idea that gamewide messages for the mythical epic is a nice touch.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">No, it isn't a "nice touch". Doing it for the first person to achieve it, that might be a nice touch (as it would be for the first time anyone completed the crafter epic for that matter). But doing it every time anyone ever achieves it is not,  it is spamming the entire server. </span><span style="color: #ff6600;">Regardless, I posted because you described <b>anyone who disagreed with you as being "envious".</b> </span></p><p><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite> </p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;">I can appreciate the annoyance many players claim to have within this discussion, <b><u>but what it really comes down to is envy</u></b>.  </span></p></blockquote><p><b><span style="color: #ff6600;">So you believe that everyone who holds a view that disagrees with yours is "envious"? </span><span style="color: #ff6600;">It couldn't possibly be that some of us genuinely don't care about hardcore raiders we do not even know getting their epics and really don't want to be spammed with it? Perhaps you also believe we don't really all enjoy our own playstyles, it must really be envy, jealously and wishing we were all hardcore raiders too? *rolls eyes*.</span></b></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">You seem to be unaware, but it is this attitude of superiority that actually annoys people, Kendricke.</span></p><p><cite>erin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>What annoys me is that it is valued by the game developers above other achievements.Its made clear, through this message that pops up, that as far as the game developers are concerned, this is the pinnacle of achievement.Thus my CHOSEN playstyle is less valued.I'm not envious of their achievement, I'm annoyed at being an undervalued customer.</blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Whilst I wouldn't go so far as saying that these messages "annoy" me as such, I agree with you completely, I do see it as promoting one playstyle over others, which feels wrong.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Therefore I do understand this viewpoint, and see the grumblings in game every time these messages pop themselves on to all our screens now. Many people agree with your view here, and I can see exactly why. That is why threads like this are springing up (and will do so increasingly if this popup message is left in game).</span></p>

[Ishina]

Define 'spamming' please.Funny thing is, this would be a non-issue if it was something other than raid loot.

[Oh]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Define 'spamming' please.Funny thing is, this would be a non-issue if it was something other than raid loot.</blockquote>You know your right, but not for the reason you probably think. If it wasn't raid loot then we wouldn't have soo many raiders feel like we are stepping on their toes just cause we want a useless message having a option to be turned off. You know the first time someone of a partiqular class got their mythical I was happy for them, but after the 10'th 100th, 1000th time seeing this message I really just don't care. This is why I would like an option to turn it off, although frankly it doesn't bother me since I twidle all of my characters so that the anoying window isn't in the center of the screen it's off to the side so I can ignore it and other silly messages that are just as useless.

[Kendricke]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>The feeling that one playstyle is valued more and thus gets more attention/content/love?</blockquote><p>That feeling right there:  what would you call that if you had to put a word on it?  </p></blockquote>Careful now. It is normally not a wise thing to start playing psychoanalyst over the internet. (Edited out the rest of my reply, because I have a feeling this thread is going nowhere good. )</blockquote>It's not a personality analysis.  The point I'm making is that she just described a feeling of envy.

[Kendricke]

<cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #ff6600;">Regardless, I posted because you described <b>anyone who disagreed with you as being "envious".</b> </span> <p><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite> </p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;">I can appreciate the annoyance many players claim to have within this discussion, <b><u>but what it really comes down to is envy</u></b>.  </span></p></blockquote><p><b><span style="color: #ff6600;">So you believe that everyone who holds a view that disagrees with yours is "envious"? </span><span style="color: #ff6600;">It couldn't possibly be that some of us genuinely don't care about hardcore raiders we do not even know getting their epics and really don't want to be spammed with it? Perhaps you also believe we don't really all enjoy our own playstyles, it must really be envy, jealously and wishing we were all hardcore raiders too? *rolls eyes*.</span></b></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">You seem to be unaware, but it is this attitude of superiority that actually annoys people, Kendricke.</span></p></blockquote><p>*sigh*</p><p>Even if that were my attitude, I should like to remind you (once again) that my attitude is irrelevant to the points I'm raising.  Also, I never made the statements you're claiming I made.  You're latching on to a single sentence, removing the supporting statements which surrounded it, and choosing to add meaning that isn't there.  At no point have I stated (nor do I believe) that every person who holds a view that disagrees with mine as envious.  </p><p>However, as I also stated in the post you keep quoting from:  "<i>No one here seems quite so upset at seeing the message as they do at having the fact rubbed in their face that there is an item out there which triggers such a message that isn't immediately accessible to players of all playstyles</i>."</p><p>Now, you may tell me you disagree with such a sentiment, but then statements such as this seem to support it:<i>  "Really, who cares if alt003 of uberguild raider004 gets his/her mythical weapon?</i>  <i>I'd prefer to know about people getting their crafting epics frankly!</i>"  </p>

[KBern]

<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Define 'spamming' please.Funny thing is, this would be a non-issue if it was something other than raid loot.</blockquote>You know your right, but not for the reason you probably think. <b><u>If it wasn't raid loot then we wouldn't have soo many raiders feel like we are stepping on their toes just cause we want a useless message having a option to be turned off.</u></b> You know the first time someone of a partiqular class got their mythical I was happy for them, but after the 10'th 100th, 1000th time seeing this message I really just don't care. This is why I would like an option to turn it off, although frankly it doesn't bother me since I twidle all of my characters so that the anoying window isn't in the center of the screen it's off to the side so I can ignore it and other silly messages that are just as useless.</blockquote><p>I would bet money most people with mythicals couldn't care much less if it was broadcast or not.</p><p>I dont think Kendricke even has his mythical so that conlusion is a bit off target.  I just find it humorous that such a quick and short and innocuous bit of text prompts people to make a huge post over it.</p><p>Lets say everytime someone hit 80 this happened...I wonder if the same people would be complaining about the same things on here.</p><p>You definately would not hear that undervalued phrase tossed around as much....or SOE likes THEM better!</p><p>It is simply a major achievement for many players who have done it, probably one of the harder quests they have completed to this day in this game (I know it was for me) so it is understandable that SOE felt like having a server message was a NICE THING TO DO.</p><p>I am sure they did not expect this type of flack from the few people who choose to be bothered by some white text (or whatever color yours is).</p>

[Kendricke]

<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Define 'spamming' please.Funny thing is, this would be a non-issue if it was something other than raid loot.</blockquote>You know your right, but not for the reason you probably think. If it wasn't raid loot then we wouldn't have soo many raiders feel like we are stepping on their toes just cause we want a useless message having a option to be turned off. You know the first time someone of a partiqular class got their mythical I was happy for them, but after the 10'th 100th, 1000th time seeing this message I really just don't care. This is why I would like an option to turn it off, although frankly it doesn't bother me since I twidle all of my characters so that the anoying window isn't in the center of the screen it's off to the side so I can ignore it and other silly messages that are just as useless.</blockquote><p>You do know you can turn that window off in your UI, right?  Options > User Interface > Popup Messages > Show General Messages.  There, problem solved. </p><p>(P.S. - 1000 mythical epics on your server, eh?)</p>

[erin]

<cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>I would bet money most people with mythicals couldn't care much less if it was broadcast or not.</p></blockquote>Then you probably should have read this thread more carefully, because you just lost that bet.  People in this thread have said they DO care.  Why you want a thousand people you don't know appreciating your achievement is baffling to me, but whatever.  Let me ask you this, if you don't know the person, do you remember their name 5 minutes after the message disappears?<cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Lets say everytime someone hit 80 this happened...I wonder if the same people would be complaining about the same things on here.</p></blockquote>I would be equally annoyed if it popped up in the same way.  And I've hit 80 several times.  Again, some person I've never heard of gaining an achievement just isn't relevant to me.  My guildmates, my friends, sure.  And I'm thrilled for them.  Some person I'll never hear of again?  Why would I care?  I'm sorry if that sounds callous but it is true for most people, whether they choose to admit it or not.<cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>It is simply a major achievement for many players who have done it, probably one of the harder quests they have completed to this day in this game (I know it was for me) so it is understandable that SOE felt like having a server message was a NICE THING TO DO.</p></blockquote>Ah there it is.  You have your mythical and are miffed that other people don't bow down to your might.  Got it.  On a serious note, grats for achieving this.  Does it feel better to you because I, a complete stranger, a non-raider, have acknowledged your achievement?  Really?  Honestly do you care even slightly whether I am impressed?And BTW, I AM impressed by folks that are willing to dedicate the time to get their mythical, I think its great.  It isn't about that.  Its about a stupid message that pops up.Can we make any sort of distinction here?

[KBern]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite><a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:Saurakk@Guk" target="_blank">Saurakk@Guk</a> wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>It is simply a major achievement for many players who have done it, probably one of the harder quests they have completed to this day in this game (I know it was for me) so it is understandable that SOE felt like having a server message was a NICE THING TO DO.</p></blockquote>Ah there it is.  You have your mythical and are miffed that other people don't bow down to your might.  Got it.  On a serious note, grats for achieving this.  Does it feel better to you because I, a complete stranger, a non-raider, have acknowledged your achievement?  Really?  Honestly do you care even slightly whether I am impressed?And BTW, I AM impressed by folks that are willing to dedicate the time to get their mythical, I think its great.  It isn't about that.  Its about a stupid message that pops up.Can we make any sort of distinction here?</blockquote><p>Where do you read from any of this that I am miffed at anything?  If you were on Guk, you would know I dont talk in channels, dont care to talk crap, I play and hang with guildies and log out.</p><p>What others on the server think or know about how I play is meaningless to me personally.</p><p>As I said, try to read these letters that form words, I couldnt care less and I would bet many others do not either.</p><p>I personally don't care if you know, the person next to me knows, or the whole world knows about my mythical.....what amazes me is some simple text that gets you so riled up.</p>

[evilgamer]

<cite>Wyrmypops wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hehe, glad someone else brought this up. Was iffy about doing so myself, expecting frothing raiders to come out "but I worked hard for that! I don't care what you say or how you say it, you're jealous" as if being amongst that many people and whacking those mobs is noteworthy effort superior to the high end accomplishments of other playstyles. </p><p>Personally, couldn't care less if Random Stranger just killed X raid mobs and got a reward for it.  I wouldn't offer a grats for it. I wouldn't imagine one would matter to them either, "ooh, random stranger just sent me a grats, my life is complete". I rather suspect most people that give a monkeys whether they got it or not would be with them on the raid, or in their guild. </p><p>It's hardly something to quit over. But sure, it's a minor gyp I could do without, and don't see the benefit to it in the first place to make it a feature. Even a minor gyp though, especially one with no up-side, warrants the consideration of getting rid of it. </p><p>Still, less annoying than LoN spam. </p></blockquote>This pretty much wraps up my sentiment.  I could care less if someone I dont know got their mythical, and yes it is annoying to be in the middle of some dungeon and that message pops up while fighting some boss mob or something.

[Kendricke]

<cite>evilgamer wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wyrmypops wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hehe, glad someone else brought this up. Was iffy about doing so myself, expecting frothing raiders to come out "but I worked hard for that! I don't care what you say or how you say it, you're jealous" as if being amongst that many people and whacking those mobs is noteworthy effort superior to the high end accomplishments of other playstyles. </p><p>Personally, couldn't care less if Random Stranger just killed X raid mobs and got a reward for it.  I wouldn't offer a grats for it. I wouldn't imagine one would matter to them either, "ooh, random stranger just sent me a grats, my life is complete". I rather suspect most people that give a monkeys whether they got it or not would be with them on the raid, or in their guild. </p><p>It's hardly something to quit over. But sure, it's a minor gyp I could do without, and don't see the benefit to it in the first place to make it a feature. Even a minor gyp though, especially one with no up-side, warrants the consideration of getting rid of it. </p><p>Still, less annoying than LoN spam. </p></blockquote>This pretty much wraps up my sentiment.  I could care less if someone I dont know got their mythical, and yes it is annoying to be in the middle of some dungeon and that message pops up while fighting some boss mob or something.</blockquote><p>Then turn off the message.  Problem solved.</p>

[evilgamer]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then turn off the message.  Problem solved.</blockquote>How?

[interstellarmatter]

<cite>evilgamer wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then turn off the message.  Problem solved.</blockquote>How?</blockquote>Actually read the thread.  He explained it about 5 posts up.

[evilgamer]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>evilgamer wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then turn off the message.  Problem solved.</blockquote>How?</blockquote>Actually read the thread.  He explained it about 5 posts up.</blockquote><p>Does turning off "general messages" involve turning off the message you get when you zone or enter an area of a zone?</p><p>If it does I dont want to turn them off.  I just want that mythical message off my screen, the zone or area I am in affects my game play, some toon looting a item in another zone does not and is not relevant to my gameplay at all.</p>

[KBern]

<p>You actually zone into zones and have no clue where you are and need the text flashing across your screen to tell you?</p><p>Um..yeah.</p>

[evilgamer]

<cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You actually zone into zones and have no clue where you are and need the text flashing across your screen to tell you?</p><p>Um..yeah.</p></blockquote><p>Um if you havent notice each zone has particular areas in it like qeynos hills, thule camp, xyz river, croc caves or whatever.  The only way you would know this is by the pop up message and despite your condescending attitude  it is relevant to some quest.</p><p>Someone else I  dont know, looting an item in another zone is totally irrlevant to me and is midly annoying at certain times.</p><p>I could care less when traveling or whatever when getting the message but in the middle of a dungeon pulling and tanking mobs its a bit annoying and slightly distracting.</p><p>Of course I could turn the messages off when in a dungeon but that would also be an annoyance to turn them off an on constantly.</p><p>In all the message is mildly annoying at times and I see no reason for it to be included in the game, but  its not somthing I would cancel over or anything lol.</p>

[Malki]

It says under your compass where you are I think (been a while since I had the normal ui, so cant remember), also, eq2map helps..I dont actually remember getting text on my screen when I move into another zone.

[cyclonus11]

I don't mind it. It doesn't interfere with my UI setup at all.

[Malki]

Just checked, the messages Evilgamer wants to keep are covered under "Show location entered messages" so turning off the general ones wont affect that.

[Kendricke]

<cite>Rhiaden@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just checked, the messages Evilgamer wants to keep are covered under "Show location entered messages" so turning off the general ones wont affect that.</blockquote>Why is it that the individuals who are posting in this discussion with problems on the popup message didn't find this out?  Why did it take someone who doesn't mind the message to find this out?  When the instructions to remove the message were posted, a person posted a concern that it wouldn't solve the problem...only to be corrected (by a person who doesn't mind the message) that it actually does.  These type of questions lead me to wonder how many people use the forums as their first and only recourse when they see an issue in game that "SOE needs to fix RIGHT NOW!!!!"  I think that it's easier to come to the forums and loudly complain - in this case, about raiders, about epics, about mythical raid loot, about spam, about superior tones, about how tradeskills aren't given the same attention, about raid guilds, about raiding in general - it's easier to come here to complain than it is to just check in-game to see if there's already an option, and then to come to the forums and mention how such an option might be of benefit.  No, it's easier to yell how there's a problem than it is to actually look for a solution.Just some thoughts to ponder...with my obviously superior tone.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ishina]

Because the resident grumblers love their bandwagons? Because they like the sound of their own voice? I am led to assume the latter, in the cases where one of them cannot even read a few posts above them before entering a debate, blowing trumpets and flying flags.

[evilgamer]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rhiaden@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just checked, the messages Evilgamer wants to keep are covered under "Show location entered messages" so turning off the general ones wont affect that.</blockquote>Why is it that the individuals who are posting in this discussion with problems on the popup message didn't find this out?  Why did it take someone who doesn't mind the message to find this out?  When the instructions to remove the message were posted, a person posted a concern that it wouldn't solve the problem...only to be corrected (by a person who doesn't mind the message) that it actually does.  These type of questions lead me to wonder how many people use the forums as their first and only recourse when they see an issue in game that "SOE needs to fix RIGHT NOW!!!!"  I think that it's easier to come to the forums and loudly complain - in this case, about raiders, about epics, about mythical raid loot, about spam, about superior tones, about how tradeskills aren't given the same attention, about raid guilds, about raiding in general - it's easier to come here to complain than it is to just check in-game to see if there's already an option, and then to come to the forums and mention how such an option might be of benefit.  No, it's easier to yell how there's a problem than it is to actually look for a solution.Just some thoughts to ponder...with my obviously superior tone.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote><p>I didnt know that cause quite frankly this isnt that a big issue of an issue to me.</p><p>Hence the term *mildly annoying*.</p><p>Thats great if I can turn this message off, still I dont want to lose other messages I want to see.</p><p>So the "fix" you claim isnt necessarily that.</p><p>Not sure what *general messages* includes, will have to look this up in game.</p><p>I didnt start this thread, I justed added my 2 cp, just like you have.  I still find the message is situationally  annoying and unnessary and totally irrelevant to my game play, I will see if I can get rid of it in game without losing other messages.</p><p>If I cant I will just /feedback it, instead of arguing about it here.</p>

[evilgamer]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Because the resident grumblers love their bandwagons? Because they like the sound of their own voice? I am led to assume the latter, in the cases where one of them cannot even read a few posts above them before entering a debate, blowing trumpets and flying flags.</blockquote>lol, yeah saying something is *mildly annoying* is most certainly "blowing trumpets and flying flags" <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Rijacki]

Because a lot of UI options have been added over time without any notice at all and people don't go looking through their options on a regular basis looking to see if something new has been added.Though.. what other things get displayed as "general" that are important that the player who disables them for the mythic pop-up would miss that they don't want to miss?

[evilgamer]

<cite>Rhiaden@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just checked, the messages Evilgamer wants to keep are covered under "Show location entered messages" so turning off the general ones wont affect that.</blockquote><p>Yeah I will have to try this. I dont want to lose other messages though.  If I cant just turn this specific message off I will just /feedback it.</p><p>Honestly its annoying but its not gamebreaking or anything.</p>

[evilgamer]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>Though.. what other things get displayed as "general" that are important that the player who disables them for the mythic pop-up would miss that they don't want to miss?</blockquote>Exactly

[Malki]

Thing is though, that if you disable the pop ups, it still shows in the game chat window..so you dont miss anything really.Tbh, the popup doesnt occur for me 100% of the time, the only reasons I know is because eithera) I see "grats" in the level chat, or,b) my game chat tab flashes, so I check it, and the message is there.

[quasigenx]

It would be cool if it was limited to one message per guild, just so we know which guilds have done it. Or if it had a X number of people per server limit, after which is discontinued.

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rhiaden@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just checked, the messages Evilgamer wants to keep are covered under "Show location entered messages" so turning off the general ones wont affect that.</blockquote>Why is it that the individuals who are posting in this discussion with problems on the popup message didn't find this out?  Why did it take someone who doesn't mind the message to find this out?  When the instructions to remove the message were posted, a person posted a concern that it wouldn't solve the problem...only to be corrected (by a person who doesn't mind the message) that it actually does.  These type of questions lead me to wonder how many people use the forums as their first and only recourse when they see an issue in game that "SOE needs to fix RIGHT NOW!!!!"  I think that it's easier to come to the forums and loudly complain - in this case, about raiders, about epics, about mythical raid loot, about spam, about superior tones, about how tradeskills aren't given the same attention, about raid guilds, about raiding in general - it's easier to come here to complain than it is to just check in-game to see if there's already an option, and then to come to the forums and mention how such an option might be of benefit.  No, it's easier to yell how there's a problem than it is to actually look for a solution.Just some thoughts to ponder...with my obviously superior tone.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></blockquote>You should look up Freud sometime cause you are the epitome of a lot of what he wrote about. Did somebody appoint you forum police and forgot to announce it? No? Then why do you deem it necessary to make judgments and then pronounce condemnations upon the subjects that people choose to engage in conversations about in the public forums? You and quite a few others have done nothing more than troll this thread and issue veiled insults and simply fulfill the prediction that <span class="genmed"><b><span style="color: #3333ff;">Wyrmypops</span></b></span> made on page 1.<cite>Wyrmypops wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hehe, glad someone else brought this up. Was iffy about doing so myself, <b>expecting frothing raiders to come out "but I worked hard for that! I don't care what you say or how you say it, you're jealous"</b> as if being amongst that many people and whacking those mobs is noteworthy effort superior to the high end accomplishments of other playstyles.</p></blockquote>Kind of ironic isn't it?I am not envious (common usage of that word has clear connotations that make the "discontent" usage not applicable in any sense). I find these popups invasive and completely irrelevant to my gaming experience, and therefore they should either go away or a clear option should exist that allows me to disable them without affecting any other part of my gaming experience in any way. So don't go trumpeting "problem fixed" or "no problem exists at all" when you clearly don't even understand the problem.

[KBern]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wyrmypops wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hehe, glad someone else brought this up. Was iffy about doing so myself, <b>expecting frothing raiders to come out "but I worked hard for that! I don't care what you say or how you say it, you're jealous"</b> as if being amongst that many people and whacking those mobs is noteworthy effort superior to the high end accomplishments of other playstyles.</p></blockquote>Kind of ironic isn't it?I am not envious (common usage of that word has clear connotations that make the "discontent" usage not applicable in any sense). I find these popups invasive and completely irrelevant to my gaming experience, and therefore they should either go away or a clear option should exist that allows me to disable them without affecting any other part of my gaming experience in any way. So don't go trumpeting "problem fixed" or "no problem exists at all" when you clearly don't even understand the problem.</blockquote><p>No, not really ironic for someone to defend their possible true feelings and attempt to stop any accurate rebuttals.</p><p>The existence of this in game does not bother me personally one bit.  Everyone who raids and has thier mythical sees the same spam as everyone else on the server.</p><p>I am willing to give some the benefit of the doubt and take their "concern" at face value...this 2 seconds of graphics interrupts your game play.</p><p>How does this happen?  Do you get distracted and die?  Is it any different than someone pathing in front of your camera?  An extra spell effect?</p><p>I honestly cannot wrap my mind around how much of a bother some people try to make this out to be.  It seems more of a matter of principle than anything else with some.</p><p>I dont want to know who has their mythical!</p><p>I dont care about raiders!</p><p>It makes me feel like a 2nd class citizen!</p><p>Its not hypocrisy at all, its a total lack of understanding how this small bit of text actually bothers some of you to the extent to try to make it out to be.</p><p>I cannot imagine it is simply the spam but something deeper.  Now many say its not envy, and sure, I can accept that....but its obvisouly not just the spam.</p>

[Mihos]

<p>Getting the server wide pop-up was part of the reward for me.  So if you want to remove it now and take that experience away from anyone else who finishes it from here on out... I am groovy with that. </p><p>If you want to go after something, go after the LoN bells and spam, we aren't playing the game in a library.</p>

[interstellarmatter]

<p>I think that you guys are looking too hard into this matter.</p><p>It's not about raiding/grouping/soloing style.  It's about over use of a message system that is being cheapened down by a repeative event.</p><p>First class on the server to get their mythical, *thubs up* Server gratz!  12th Guardian to get their mythical?  If the US Army taught me anything is was that second place is first loser.  The magical moment of that first mythical is over.  </p><p>This is not about playstyle, it's about cheaping a system that is suppose to display a magical moment in the world of Norrath.</p>

[Kendricke]

<cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>I cannot imagine it is simply the spam but something deeper.  Now many say its not envy, and sure, I can accept that....but its obviously not just the spam.</p></blockquote>Saurakk nailed it.If it was "just the spam" the discussion would have ended the moment we posted the solution to end the message from popping up.  If it was "just the spam", other subjects wouldn't have entered the discussion at all. The solution has already been posted.  Anyone can stop the message from popping up right now.  So, if that was really the problem, I'm curious as to why we're still dealing with angry complaints on the subject. 

[Amphibia]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think that you guys are looking too hard into this matter.</p><p>It's not about raiding/grouping/soloing style.  It's about over use of a message system that is being cheapened down by a repeative event.</p><p>First class on the server to get their mythical, *thubs up* Server gratz!  12th Guardian to get their mythical?  If the US Army taught me anything is was that second place is first loser.  The magical moment of that first mythical is over.  </p><p>This is not about playstyle, it's about cheaping a system that is suppose to display a magical moment in the world of Norrath.</p></blockquote>That was basically what I tried to say too, but you said it better than me. If someone loots a true artifact tomorrow, who would notice? Not many, I think. It would be like just another one of those messages that pop up every night.

[Kendricke]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think that you guys are looking too hard into this matter.</p><p>It's not about raiding/grouping/soloing style.  It's about over use of a message system that is being cheapened down by a repeative event.</p><p>First class on the server to get their mythical, *thubs up* Server gratz!  12th Guardian to get their mythical?  If the US Army taught me anything is was that second place is first loser.  The magical moment of that first mythical is over.  </p><p>This is not about playstyle, it's about cheaping a system that is suppose to display a magical moment in the world of Norrath.</p></blockquote>I know members of casual guilds who will continue working on their epics for years, just to show they finally earned theirs.  Why not, it happened in old Everquest.  Long after the Plane of Time and Uqua opened up, players were still putting long hours into their Kunark epic quests.  Even after the items stopped having any real in-game value, players were STILL interested in accomplishing those quests.  For you, it's "cheaper" to see the 12th guardian to receive an epic.  For me, the moment I start to see members of Jaggedpine Defender, or Mystic Crusdaders, or Despair, or any one of several dozen more casual guilds on Guk coming up in my popups, you can bet I'll make certain to send a special congratulatory tell to those members - even if it's years from now.  Of course, you're welcome to send them a tell which explains how their accomplishment isn't as special because it took them so long.  Be sure to point out to them how this isn't really a magical moment anymore when you do.

[interstellarmatter]

<p>If you say so Kendricke.  Not all of us see every person who gets their mythical as special.  Most at this point follow others who have lead the way to the first ones.</p><p>*shrug*</p><p>It's a matter of opion.  My opinion is the ones getting theirs now deserve nothing more than actually getting their mythical.   Server messages should be reseved for very special moments..in other words..very rare moments in the world of Norrath.</p><p>Like I said, it's a matter of opinion.  It's not that big deal to me.  Just wanted to point out that those who want to see it go away are trying to fight any kind of play style.  We just see it be used too much for something that should be very very rare.</p>

[Kendricke]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you say so Kendricke.  Not all of us see every person who gets their mythical as special.  Most at this point follow others who have lead the way to the first ones.</p><p>*shrug*</p><p>It's a matter of opion.  My opinion is the ones getting theirs now deserve nothing more than actually getting their mythical.   Server messages should be reseved for very special moments..in other words..very rare moments in the world of Norrath.</p><p>Like I said, it's a matter of opinion.  It's not that big deal to me.  Just wanted to point out that those who want to see it go away are trying to fight any kind of play style.  We just see it be used too much for something that should be very very rare.</p></blockquote>Actually, I could quote directly from this thread on people who were very much complaining about differing playstyles.  You may want to realize that before you start speaking on behalf of "we".  It might be better to state that you only speak for a segment of those who want to see the message go away.  Of course, as I said earlier, if it was really just about the message going away - the complaints would have stopped the moment a solution was posted that allows you to turn off the message.

[evilgamer]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>I cannot imagine it is simply the spam but something deeper.  Now many say its not envy, and sure, I can accept that....but its obviously not just the spam.</p></blockquote><p>Saurakk nailed it.If it was "just the spam" the discussion would have ended the moment we posted the solution to end the message from popping up.  If it was "just the spam", other subjects wouldn't have entered the discussion at all. </p><p>The solution has already been posted.  Anyone can stop the message from popping up right now.  So, if that was really the problem, I'm curious as to why we're still dealing with angry complaints on the subject.  </p></blockquote><p>The "solution" given isnt really a solution in my eyes since I prefer to keep the pop up boxes on so I can see what area I have entered within a zone.  The mythical message is much larger and more intrusive then the zone message.</p><p>I prefer they just remove the mythical message as they can be situationally annoying, when you have 8 mobs beating on your group in a instance and you are trying to get all the aggro on you, its mildly annoying to have that message pop up.  When I am not in group combat it doesnt bother me in the slightest.</p><p>Granted I would have never started this thread as its just a mild annoyance to me, in fact I have never even bothered to /feedback it. </p><p>But to say that its an envy thing is not 100% accurate, it can be and has been annoying to have that message pop up to me at various times.  </p><p>Remember we all have different opinions and tolerances as to what we find annoying.</p><p>Annoying is a vague term and highly individual.  To discout all opinions as envy just as false as other dismissing those who like the message as bragging.</p><p>Rest assured though I am almost 100% certain nothing will be done about it and things will remain the same, as the portion who feel annoyed by it are almost certainly in the minority.</p><p>All in all I will keep the pop boxes open because I like the area messages they give and the info they give outweights the negative of the mildly annoying mythical message.</p><p>But the *ideal* solution for me would be to get rid of they mythical message, but is hardly a deal breaker, at least for me anyway.</p>

[KBern]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you say so Kendricke.  Not all of us see every person who gets their mythical as special.  Most at this point follow others who have lead the way to the first ones.</p><p>*shrug*</p><p>It's a matter of opion.  My opinion is the ones getting theirs now deserve nothing more than actually getting their mythical.   Server messages should be reseved for very special moments..in other words..very rare moments in the world of Norrath.</p><p>Like I said, it's a matter of opinion.  It's not that big deal to me.  Just wanted to point out that those who want to see it go away are trying to fight any kind of play style.  We just see it be used too much for something that should be very very rare.</p></blockquote><p>Bored at work so forgive me, not trying to make some grand point, I dont have one other than trying to understand the whole spam thing at its face value.</p><p>I agree with you stellar, I could care less who has gotten their mythical, but some honestly do care.  I received tells from people I dont even know congratulating me, and even from people I were acquaintences, and friends...it was nice....but did nto make or break my gaming experience.</p><p>No one is a better person because they have one, I cannot go into a bar and pick out who has a mythical and who doesnt lol.  It is just something cool to accomplish in game (as are many other feats).</p><p>Now some people love the accolades, and many love giving them.  There could be a large amount of people out there that greatly desire to have their mythical quest completion broadcast to the zone.</p><p>Is it wrong to take that option away from them?  Is it really that bad or harmful to leave it in?</p><p>It seems some have place venom behind this idea as if it is some grand scheme to recognize "Teh Ubahs!" and put the "little man" down!</p><p>All it is was a nice idea by SOE to recognize those people who completed this difficult quest in game.</p><p>It seems to have backfired on them in some circles.</p><p>I blink and that spam is gone....I peak at my tv and I probably missed a message...personally I cant grasp how it bothers people that bad but I can take what you say at face value that the feat has been minimized so why keep up with the grandiose posturing spam?</p><p>I guess because to some, they are looking forward to it and who are we to take that away.</p>

[Malki]

<cite>evilgamer wrote:</cite><cite></cite><blockquote><p>The "solution" given isnt really a solution in my eyes since I prefer to keep the pop up boxes on so I can see what area I have entered within a zone.  The mythical message is much larger and more intrusive then the zone message.</p></blockquote>There was a solution...You turn of general messages.There is a seperate option that says "Show location messages"Therefore, you can keep those messages, and turn off the general messages.In addition, those messages are also shown in the game chat.You can turn off all pop up messages, and you will still get them show up in your game chat window, just not in popups.

[evilgamer]

<cite>Rhiaden@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>evilgamer wrote:</cite><cite></cite><blockquote><p>The "solution" given isnt really a solution in my eyes since I prefer to keep the pop up boxes on so I can see what area I have entered within a zone.  The mythical message is much larger and more intrusive then the zone message.</p></blockquote>There was a solution...You turn of general messages.There is a seperate option that says "Show location messages"Therefore, you can keep those messages, and turn off the general messages.In addition, those messages are also shown in the game chat.You can turn off all pop up messages, and you will still get them show up in your game chat window, just not in popups.</blockquote><p>Ok but what else is included in "general messages" besides the mythical message would I be missing?</p><p>I do like the pop messages, just not that one particular one, as its is very large  when compared to the other pop ups.  Also the other pop ups directly affect my game play, this one does not.</p><p>Like I said its mildly annoying and I am not going to turn off pop ups to get rid of it as I like the other general pop ups.  If they keep  it in game its not going to bother me so much that I cancel or anything lol.</p><p>I was just giving my 2cp.  Which is what a public forum is all about, no?</p>

[interstellarmatter]

<cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All it is was a nice idea by SOE to recognize those people who completed this difficult quest in game.</p></blockquote><p>That's the rub.  There are a lot of difficult quests in the game.  You're opening a floodgate by saying that this is the only difficult quest in the game that deserves special recognization.</p><p>Like I said before, first time a class got their mythical on the server, a silence echoed through Norrath.  Otherwise, the person should get their feeling of accomplishment from the reward for the quest.  Just like for the rest of the quests in the game. </p><p>Just trying to be the devil's advocate here.  I should be getting my mythical soon.  But I don't think that I deserve that server recognization like the pioneer who lead the way on my server to obtaining their mythical.</p>

[erin]

<cite>evilgamer wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Because the resident grumblers love their bandwagons? Because they like the sound of their own voice? I am led to assume the latter, in the cases where one of them cannot even read a few posts above them before entering a debate, blowing trumpets and flying flags.</blockquote>lol, yeah saying something is *mildly annoying* is most certainly "blowing trumpets and flying flags" <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Exactly.  Posting while at work is one thing, about something "mildly annoying", but actually taking time while in game, during my play time is another thing entirely.It bugs me for a split second when I see the message and it interrupts my play for a second, then I move on.I think the pro crowd is more bothered than the anti crowd at this point. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All it is was a nice idea by SOE to recognize those people who completed this difficult quest in game.</p></blockquote><p>That's the rub.  There are a lot of difficult quests in the game.  You're opening a floodgate by saying that this is the only difficult quest in the game that deserves special recognization.</p><p>Like I said before, first time a class got their mythical on the server, a silence echoed through Norrath.  Otherwise, the person should get their feeling of accomplishment from the reward for the quest.  Just like for the rest of the quests in the game. </p><p>Just trying to be the devil's advocate here.  I should be getting my mythical soon.  But I don't think that I deserve that server recognization like the pioneer who lead the way on my server to obtaining their mythical.</p></blockquote>Very key point here that several are quite obviously missing, and it completely negates their entire argument against this.When someone loots a mythical item there are TWO things that happen:<ol><li>The entire server gets a <span style="color: #339900;"><b>chat message</b></span></li><li>The entier server gets a <span style="color: #ff3333;"><b>UI popup</b></span></li></ol>I don't mind <b><span style="color: #339900;">1</span></b>. I want <b><span style="color: #ff3333;">2</span></b> gone or an option to specifically turn these off.Now please, all you nay sayers and trolls trying to blast my opinion with your opinion, go back and read your arguments in this thread and tell me how they stand when you realize you missed what I said on page 1.

[erin]

<cite>Mihos wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Getting the server wide pop-up was part of the reward for me.  So if you want to remove it now and take that experience away from anyone else who finishes it from here on out... I am groovy with that. </p><p>If you want to go after something, go after the LoN bells and spam, we aren't playing the game in a library.</p></blockquote>Can you elaborate?  What about the server wid pop-up was part of the reward?Complete strangers gratsing you?  Why?I'm totally serious in my question, I'm not trying to be mean, no matter how people interpret it.  Why does it reward you to see that server wide message?

[Mihos]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mihos wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Getting the server wide pop-up was part of the reward for me.  So if you want to remove it now and take that experience away from anyone else who finishes it from here on out... I am groovy with that. </p><p>If you want to go after something, go after the LoN bells and spam, we aren't playing the game in a library.</p></blockquote>Can you elaborate?  What about the server wid pop-up was part of the reward?Complete strangers gratsing you?  Why?I'm totally serious in my question, I'm not trying to be mean, no matter how people interpret it.  Why does it reward you to see that server wide message?</blockquote><p>If its not self evident to you, I am sure not going to be the one to get drug into the conversation of *why do you play the game" and motivations and all that.  But you can probably start with the whole complete strangers part.  At this stage in the game, there aren't many complete strangers left on the server.  Total degree of seperation is probably like 2.</p>

[KBern]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote>Very key point here that several are quite obviously missing, and it completely negates their entire argument against this.When someone loots a mythical item there are TWO things that happen:<ol><li>The entire server gets a <span style="color: #339900;"><b>chat message</b></span></li><li>The entier server gets a <span style="color: #ff3333;"><b>UI popup</b></span></li></ol>I don't mind <b><span style="color: #339900;">1</span></b>. I want <b><span style="color: #ff3333;">2</span></b> gone or an option to specifically turn these off.Now please, all you nay sayers and trolls trying to blast my opinion with your opinion, go back and read your arguments in this thread and tell me how they stand when you realize you missed what I said on page 1.</blockquote><p>No, people are not missing it.  Don't be so egotistical to think that every response in this thread at this point is directed at your opening post.  Threads take on a life of their own and many people have posted since your initial one lol.</p><p>People on both sides of the fence have added much more since that intial post.</p><p>My responses came at the end of this thread when people are getting angry that even have to read the message.  So not all responses were at you at all, and also, not everyone who disagrees on a thread is a troll.</p><p>Go look up the word and how it should be used.</p>

[erin]

<cite>Mihos wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mihos wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Getting the server wide pop-up was part of the reward for me.  So if you want to remove it now and take that experience away from anyone else who finishes it from here on out... I am groovy with that. </p><p>If you want to go after something, go after the LoN bells and spam, we aren't playing the game in a library.</p></blockquote>Can you elaborate?  What about the server wid pop-up was part of the reward?Complete strangers gratsing you?  Why?I'm totally serious in my question, I'm not trying to be mean, no matter how people interpret it.  Why does it reward you to see that server wide message?</blockquote><p>If its not self evident to you, I am sure not going to be the one to get drug into the conversation of *why do you play the game" and motivations and all that.  But you can probably start with the whole complete strangers part.  At this stage in the game, there aren't many complete strangers left on the server.  Total degree of seperation is probably like 2.</p></blockquote>I guess that's where we disagree.  I believe 90% of the server are strangers in a very real sense, I've never grouped with them, talked to them, even interacted with them in chat.  I certainly don't "know them".

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>My responses came at the end of this thread when people are getting angry that even have to read the message.  So not all responses were at you at all, and also, not everyone who disagrees on a thread is a troll.<p>Go look up the word and how it should be used.</p></blockquote>Please... did I say "all you trolls"? No. I said "all you nay sayers and trolls", which quite clearly identifies two categories.Reading comprehension is highly overrated, I know.

[KBern]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>My responses came at the end of this thread when people are getting angry that even have to read the message.  So not all responses were at you at all, and also, not everyone who disagrees on a thread is a troll. <p>Go look up the word and how it should be used.</p></blockquote>Please... did I say "all you trolls"? No. I said "all you nay sayers and trolls", which quite clearly identifies two categories.Reading comprehension is highly overrated, I know.</blockquote><p>You're right, my apologies.</p><p>*edit for using Your in place of You're, personal hang up*</p>

[Ishina]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote>Very key point here that several are quite obviously missing, and it completely negates their entire argument against this.When someone loots a mythical item there are TWO things that happen:<ol><li>The entire server gets a <span style="color: #339900;"><b>chat message</b></span></li><li>The entier server gets a <span style="color: #ff3333;"><b>UI popup</b></span></li></ol>I don't mind <b><span style="color: #339900;">1</span></b>. I want <b><span style="color: #ff3333;">2</span></b> gone or an option to specifically turn these off.Now please, all you nay sayers and trolls trying to blast my opinion with your opinion, go back and read your arguments in this thread and tell me how they stand when you realize you missed what I said on page 1.</blockquote>I'm not sure why you come in with this (at this point of the thread) since people have already said there is an option to <i>switch off</i> the UI pop-ups. Your 'very key point' that we are missing has already been addressed, I believe.

[Ishina]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Can you elaborate?  What about the server wid pop-up was part of the reward?Complete strangers gratsing you?  Why?I'm totally serious in my question, I'm not trying to be mean, no matter how people interpret it.  Why does it reward you to see that server wide message?</blockquote><p>I didn't expect there would be a need to explain such a thing, since this is actually a multiplayer game we are playing. Yeah, really, a multiplayer game. </p><p>This is a nice little touch to get peoples name in lights for a split second. Does it really matter that you do not know them personally? Would you take that away from them simply because they are of no concern to your own personal and immediate existance in the server community? </p><p>There should be more things that affect the game across the server as a whole, across the community as a whole, in my opinion. But... heck... people can't even handle <i>this</i>, so that's not a real option it seems.</p><p>What if they added more such server affecting features? What if there were more additions that meant individuals you do not know had some effect on the game world that <i>you</i> had no control over? Would it drive some of you over the edge?</p>

[Gojira_Shipi-Taro]

I don't particularly like the UI popups, but they're not that intrusive, certainly not so much that I'm going to turn off a whole category of notifications that I might actually need.That said, my guild has a set of spoof macros that we play with when we start getting a cascade of mythical updates one after the other.Mine is something like "Norrath Stops and Looks on in Horror as <toonnameI'mnotgoigntotellyouhere> lifts his leg and lets something rip that peels paint from every exposed surface for 30 meters."Usually in /gu.Usually.What can I say. We're just getting the hang of Kunark T1. Occasional juvenile behavior amuses us.Edit: also even the popups are far less annoying than the Norrath-quakes we got every time someone got some update during the Return of the Gods event leading up to EoF.

[erin]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Can you elaborate?  What about the server wid pop-up was part of the reward?Complete strangers gratsing you?  Why?I'm totally serious in my question, I'm not trying to be mean, no matter how people interpret it.  Why does it reward you to see that server wide message?</blockquote><p>I didn't expect there would be a need to explain such a thing, since this is actually a multiplayer game we are playing. Yeah, really, a multiplayer game. </p><p>This is a nice little touch to get peoples name in lights for a split second. Does it really matter that you do not know them personally? Would you take that away from them simply because they are of no concern to your own personal and immediate existance in the server community? </p><p>There should be more things that affect the game across the server as a whole, across the community as a whole, in my opinion. But... heck... people can't even handle <i>this</i>, so that's not a real option it seems.</p><p>What if they added more such server affecting features? What if there were more additions that meant individuals you do not know had some effect on the game world that <i>you</i> had no control over? Would it drive some of you over the edge?</p></blockquote>What part of "mild annoyance" are you having trouble with?

[Gojira_Shipi-Taro]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Can you elaborate?  What about the server wid pop-up was part of the reward?Complete strangers gratsing you?  Why?I'm totally serious in my question, I'm not trying to be mean, no matter how people interpret it.  Why does it reward you to see that server wide message?</blockquote><p>I didn't expect there would be a need to explain such a thing, since this is actually a multiplayer game we are playing. Yeah, really, a multiplayer game. </p><p>This is a nice little touch to get peoples name in lights for a split second. Does it really matter that you do not know them personally? Would you take that away from them simply because they are of no concern to your own personal and immediate existance in the server community? </p><p>There should be more things that affect the game across the server as a whole, across the community as a whole, in my opinion. But... heck... people can't even handle <i>this</i>, so that's not a real option it seems.</p><p>What if they added more such server affecting features? What if there were more additions that meant individuals you do not know had some effect on the game world that <i>you</i> had no control over? Would it drive some of you over the edge?</p></blockquote>I can't say I'd be in favor of allowing someone else's actions to actually disrupt my game play, no. Would it "drive me over the edge?" I'd certainly be complaining about it if suddenly indirect PvP was possible on a normal rules server. I don't play PvP because I do not want someone else affecting my game play without my consent. For instance some mechanism where completing a quest in VP would make Sebilis and all its instances unavailable to all players for x number of days. THAT I would have a problem with, and I'm guessing everyone who's not in a WW1st guild would have a problem with as well.The messages are a nice touch, however. When I see 12 or so one after the other, they don't seem so special but what the heck. Then I break out the macro from my above post, shrug, and ignore the messages for the rest of the evening. They don't really affect anything.

[Ishina]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>What part of "mild annoyance" are you having trouble with?</blockquote><p>That's just it. I am having trouble understanding how it is 'mildly annoying'.</p><p>Forget it. We are going around in circles.</p>

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote>Very key point here that several are quite obviously missing, and it completely negates their entire argument against this.When someone loots a mythical item there are TWO things that happen:<ol><li>The entire server gets a <span style="color: #339900;"><b>chat message</b></span></li><li>The entier server gets a <span style="color: #ff3333;"><b>UI popup</b></span></li></ol>I don't mind <b><span style="color: #339900;">1</span></b>. I want <b><span style="color: #ff3333;">2</span></b> gone or an option to specifically turn these off.Now please, all you nay sayers and trolls trying to blast my opinion with your opinion, go back and read your arguments in this thread and tell me how they stand when you realize you missed what I said on page 1.</blockquote>I'm not sure why you come in with this (at this point of the thread) since people have already said there is an option to <i>switch off</i> the UI pop-ups. Your 'very key point' that we are missing has already been addressed, I believe.</blockquote>And I'm not quite sure why you are having a hard time understanding such a very simple point of view.I don't want to turn off popups. I don't want to disable all General Messages. I want to disable nothing more than the mythical loot popups. I want to get rid of this annoying feature without it impacting anything else related to my game experience.I've been very clear about this, as have others. As such, can you tell me how that's been "addressed" at this point? Not a single answer has come close to the mark. And quite honestly none will, because I know exactly what the issue is that I am displeased with, and I know that only a change to the game can address it. My intent with creating this thread was to rally some support and let any who share my opinion know that there are others that agree on this single point.

[interstellarmatter]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>What part of "mild annoyance" are you having trouble with?</blockquote><p>That's just it. I am having trouble understanding how it is 'mildly annoying'.</p><p>Forget it. <b>We are going around in circles.</b></p></blockquote><p>Exactly.  You'll never understand it because you don't see it from his point of view. </p><p>This is nothing more than an opionated issue that has no right answers.  </p><p>The good news is...there has been devs posting around this thread.  So, I have a hard time believing that they haven't glanced through this one.   Now it's up to them to decide to keep it or not.</p>

[Ishina]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote>And I'm not quite sure why you are having a hard time understanding such a very simple point of view.I don't want to turn off popups. I don't want to disable all General Messages. I want to disable nothing more than the mythical loot popups. I want to get rid of this annoying feature without it impacting anything else related to my game experience.I've been very clear about this, as have others. As such, can you tell me how that's been "addressed" at this point? Not a single answer has come close to the mark. And quite honestly none will, because I know exactly what the issue is that I am displeased with, and I know that only a change to the game can address it. My intent with creating this thread was to rally some support and let any who share my opinion know that there are others that agree on this single point.</blockquote><p>I think I do understand your point of view. You want to do your own thing, run around in the world of Norrath, lose yourself in your own version of it, without being interupted by something that some other player in the world has done.</p><p>I really think you are overlooking the muliplayer aspect of the world. You seem (I could be wrong) to be of the mind that it's everyone for themselves, and you should have complete freedom, and be able to completely disregard the fact that other people are playing alongside you. Frankly, you don't want to know what other people are doing - you do not even want to acknowledge there are other players in the wold apart from you when you are in your 'zone', doing what you want to do. That's how I see it, and that's where I assume we differ.</p><p>Bottom line is: <i>you can turn it off</i>, if it bothers you so much. The part where it get's removed completely is what I have an issue with. Why do I have an issue with it? I'm all for fostering a healthy community, or rather, I'm all for seeing other peoples accomplishments shine up in lights. It doesn't irritate me. Far from it. Good for them, I say. Let's have a party.</p><p>As to your last sentance: Sorry, pal, it doesn't work like that. It works both ways. You cannot pick and choose, or filter the responses you will get on a public forum - especially when it's a <i>moot point</i>, at best.</p><p>I think I will end it, on my part, by saying: let's agree to disagree.</p>

[erin]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I really think you are overlooking the muliplayer aspect of the world. </blockquote>Why do people try and force their view of what multiplayer means down other people's throats?Multiplayer simply means there's other people in the world right?We've seen many threads where a small minority of soloers have said they never interact with anyone other than through the broker and occasional chat.  That's their version of multiplayer.  You may not agree with how they play but they enjoy only very limited aspects of the MM of MMORPG.  They do however like the constantly evolving landscape of an online game and thus play this rather than an offline game.To the other extreme of people who feel every other player is their fellow and every action should impact the world.And every shade in between.Multiplayer means there's more than 1 person in the world.  Anything beyond that is your interpretation of the concept and shouldn't necessarily be anyone elses.

[interstellarmatter]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think I do understand your point of view. You want to do your own thing, run around in the world of Norrath, lose yourself in your own version of it, without being interupted by something that some other player in the world has done.</p><p>I really think you are overlooking the muliplayer aspect of the world. You seem (I could be wrong) to be of the mind that it's everyone for themselves, and you should have complete freedom, and be able to completely disregard the fact that other people are playing alongside you. Frankly, you don't want to know what other people are doing - you do not even want to acknowledge there are other players in the wold apart from you when you are in your 'zone', doing what you want to do. That's how I see it, and that's where I assume we differ.</p></blockquote>Did you get the overhead message 4 years ago when I finished my master's degree?

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote>And I'm not quite sure why you are having a hard time understanding such a very simple point of view.I don't want to turn off popups. I don't want to disable all General Messages. I want to disable nothing more than the mythical loot popups. I want to get rid of this annoying feature without it impacting anything else related to my game experience.I've been very clear about this, as have others. As such, can you tell me how that's been "addressed" at this point? Not a single answer has come close to the mark. And quite honestly none will, because I know exactly what the issue is that I am displeased with, and I know that only a change to the game can address it. My intent with creating this thread was to rally some support and let any who share my opinion know that there are others that agree on this single point.</blockquote><p>I think I do understand your point of view. You want to do your own thing, run around in the world of Norrath, lose yourself in your own version of it, without being interupted by something that some other player in the world has done.</p><p>I really think you are overlooking the muliplayer aspect of the world. You seem (I could be wrong) to be of the mind that it's everyone for themselves, and you should have complete freedom, and be able to completely disregard the fact that other people are playing alongside you. Frankly, you don't want to know what other people are doing - you do not even want to acknowledge there are other players in the wold apart from you when you are in your 'zone', doing what you want to do. That's how I see it, and that's where I assume we differ.</p><p>Bottom line is: <i>you can turn it off</i>, if it bothers you so much. The part where it get's removed completely is what I have an issue with. Why do I have an issue with it? I'm all for fostering a healthy community, or rather, I'm all for seeing other peoples accomplishments shine up in lights. It doesn't irritate me. Far from it. Good for them, I say. Let's have a party.</p><p>As to your last sentance: Sorry, pal, it doesn't work like that. It works both ways. You cannot pick and choose, or filter the responses you will get on a public forum - especially when it's a <i>moot point</i>, at best.</p><p>I think I will end it, on my part, by saying: let's agree to disagree.</p></blockquote>No, the bottom line is you cannot turn this off without turning off other stuff, and that's the whole point.You really should end, on your part, by saying you cannot understand this point of view and you have no interest in trying. Most of your last post here is complete drivel, and clearly demonstrates this. It does not come even close to what I've clearly explained as my position in this thread.

[Ishina]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did you get the overhead message 4 years ago when I finished my master's degree?</blockquote><p>Round and round and round we go.</p><p>I'll leave you to labour the pedantics and semantics. I've said my peice. We disagree. We are different. Good. We have established that. We done now?</p>

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did you get the overhead message 4 years ago when I finished my master's degree?</blockquote><p>Round and round and round we go.</p><p>I'll leave you to labour the pedantics and semantics. I've said my peice. We disagree. We are different. Good. We have established that. We done now?</p></blockquote>Dude, you've come into a thread where people have expressed a completely valid request to have something in the game changed to make their gaming experience more enjoyable. The true request being expressed in this thread does not, in any way, detract from what you've expressed as bringing you enjoyment in the game. There is no lose here, only win for the side that wants something changed. Yet you and others have deigned it necessary to tromp all over it based on (purposely?) misunderstanding what is really being asked for.Are we done? We will be as soon as you leave us to continue with our valid request for change and attempt to garner support from those that agree.

[Ishina]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dude, you've come into a thread where people have expressed a completely valid request to have something in the game changed to make their gaming experience more enjoyable. The true request being expressed in this thread does not, in any way, detract from what you've expressed as bringing you enjoyment in the game. There is no lose here, only win for the side that wants something changed. Yet you and others have deigned it necessary to tromp all over it based on (purposely?) misunderstanding what is really being asked for.Are we done? We will be as soon as you leave us to continue with our valid request for change and attempt to garner support from those that agree.</blockquote><p>And here we go again. You make the mistake of assuming that my position in this thread is against you and you alone, or you and those who agree with you word for word. There are other people in this thread who I disagree with, not just you, and not just for the same reason, and certainly not just for the reason you insist must be the <i>only</i> reason for this thread to continue. I am not the one who is responsible for any tangents here.</p><p>Thing is, whether it was your intention or not, whether you like it or not, you sparked a debate. It's real cute that you only wanted to rally support for a simple idea, but it isn't just you posting in this thread. This is a discussion board.</p><p>Would you prefer it if only those who agree with you would post from now on? Good luck with that.</p><p>Regards.</p>

[Gorathh]

Sometimes you have to agree to disagree. Theres lots of passion about topics involving the game, which is a good thing! But not everyone will agree on an issue and that's really not that bad of a thing, differing opinions and all. Please folks try and keep on track rather than getting personal. Thanks!

[KBern]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dude, you've come into a thread where people have expressed a completely valid request to have something in the game changed to make their gaming experience more enjoyable. The true request being expressed in this thread does not, in any way, detract from what you've expressed as bringing you enjoyment in the game. There is no lose here, only win for the side that wants something changed. Yet you and others have deigned it necessary to tromp all over it based on (purposely?) misunderstanding what is really being asked for.Are we done? We will be as soon as you leave us to continue with our valid request for change and attempt to garner support from those that agree.</blockquote></blockquote><p>Yes your request is valid.  Just as valid as the differing opinions to your subjective request.  If the devs decide to force youu to see every dang mythical quest completed, then you are forced to see it.</p><p>Some people want you to see it, some couldn't care less, and some do not want to see it any cost. </p><p>In the end, it is up to SOE and you have no more right to tell people to stop disagreeing with you as we do to tell you to stop posting.</p>

[NiteWolfe]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did you get the overhead message 4 years ago when I finished my master's degree?</blockquote><p>Round and round and round we go.</p><p>I'll leave you to labour the pedantics and semantics. I've said my peice. We disagree. We are different. Good. We have established that. We done now?</p></blockquote>Dude, you've come into a thread where people have expressed a completely valid request to have something in the game changed to make their gaming experience more enjoyable. The true request being expressed in this thread does not, in any way, detract from what you've expressed as bringing you enjoyment in the game. There is no lose here, only win for the side that wants something changed. <span style="color: #cc0000;"><b>Yet you and others have deigned it necessary to tromp all over it based on (purposely?) misunderstanding what is really being asked for.</b></span>Are we done? <span style="color: #cc0000;"><b>We will be as soon as you leave us to continue with our valid request for change and attempt to garner support from those that agree.</b></span></blockquote> LMFAO, sorry not going to do that iam sure you like for all of us that think its fine as is to not say so and let you force your opinion. We that think its fine as is and that there should be a pop up for this are just as entitled to voice our opinion against changing it!

[Pogopuschel]

I wish server messages were my biggest problem in game right now <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Kendricke]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think I do understand your point of view. You want to do your own thing, run around in the world of Norrath, lose yourself in your own version of it, without being interupted by something that some other player in the world has done.</p><p>I really think you are overlooking the muliplayer aspect of the world. You seem (I could be wrong) to be of the mind that it's everyone for themselves, and you should have complete freedom, and be able to completely disregard the fact that other people are playing alongside you. Frankly, you don't want to know what other people are doing - you do not even want to acknowledge there are other players in the wold apart from you when you are in your 'zone', doing what you want to do. That's how I see it, and that's where I assume we differ.</p></blockquote>Did you get the overhead message 4 years ago when I finished my master's degree?</blockquote><p>Masters are only fabled.  Messages only appear for mythical achievements.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Amphibia]

<cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I believe we refer to one-time drops as artifacts.  The "Mythical" tag just means its a step above Fabled.</blockquote>

[Zarador]

I apologize if this has been said somewhere in the past 10 pages.Why not simply employ chat options that the player can select as to if they would like to receive messages of world accomplishments by their fellow player?  You could even go so far to allowing it to filter beyond the first discovery/procurement? We can filter out the guild accomplishments and that's our extended family, so why not the accomplishments of strangers? I don't think someone should have to have all, or nothing as an option simply because they dislike seeing a particular type of message.  We have plenty of options in regular chat as well as plenty of filters and ignore options.  Personally, I would not see the harm in extending that to this argument.I see both sides of the argument and feel it comes down to a matter of personal choice.  Allowing people to make that choice on their own should be an option.  If seeing those messages annoys someone, they should not have to see it.  If you enjoy seeing the messages, then by all means, leave that option on.

[denmom]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I'm still not certain how many mythical messages you're dealing with each day.  I'm on the same server as five different guilds who are mythical capable - some of whom are selling mythical access - and I rarely see more than a couple of mythical messages a night, if that. </blockquote>I'm on the same server as sliderhouse and mythical messages pop up many times over the weekend nights.  Sometimes they can hit several times in succession.  They average 1-4 times, usually by the same guilds with the occasional bought mythical.The night that prompted this thread, there were many messages.  Eight or ten if I remember right, the chat channels spamming "grats" and some not so nice comments about alts and buying mythicals.I can see slider's point about wanting to disable the feature.

[erin]

I've been thinking about the two sides on this issue and how the one cannot even understand the other at all.Its a lot like EQ1 where many were driven nuts by the inspect message.  Some of you may recall the controversy.  There was a message that popped up when people inspected you "So and so is inpsecting you".  Some people hated it, some people went nuts over it because people would inspect without asking permission.  And folks on the other side of the "discussion" would be baffled by why it could possibly bother you that someone was inspecting you without asking, much less why that little message would bother anyone.This seems a lot like that.  The people bothered by the mythical messages have explained why it bothers us, the other side is baffled by the very concept that this could be an annoyance (no matter how small or large).It was impossible in EQ1 to have a rational conversation between the two sides because one side could not understand that there even was an issue.  Same here.

[Kendricke]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've been thinking about the two sides on this issue and how the one cannot even understand the other at all.Its a lot like EQ1 where many were driven nuts by the inspect message.  Some of you may recall the controversy.  There was a message that popped up when people inspected you "So and so is inpsecting you".  Some people hated it, some people went nuts over it because people would inspect without asking permission.  And folks on the other side of the "discussion" would be baffled by why it could possibly bother you that someone was inspecting you without asking, much less why that little message would bother anyone.This seems a lot like that.  The people bothered by the mythical messages have explained why it bothers us, the other side is baffled by the very concept that this could be an annoyance (no matter how small or large).It was impossible in EQ1 to have a rational conversation between the two sides because one side could not understand that there even was an issue.  Same here.</blockquote><p>Don't equate disagreement to an inability to understand.  I can understand the position you're presenting.  It doesn't mean I agree with it.  </p>

[Valsehna]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote>I really don't care if I get a chat message, but getting a popup message right in the middle of my UI when someone loots their mythical weapon is rather ridiculous with how often it's happening. There needs to be an easy way to turn this off without affecting the things popups were *meant* to indicate. Popups are part of my UI, and should be used to alert me to things that affect *my* character, not to give kudos to someone for completing a quest. As I said, I don't mind the chat message. But get rid of the popups. This needs to be done sooner than later.</blockquote>I can't imagine it would be so very difficult for the designers of that sort of thing to add an option to on/off for that particular pop-up, such as there is for say, skillups, where you can choose not to see it on your main screen, but only in your chat.

[Kendricke]

<cite>Valsehna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote>I really don't care if I get a chat message, but getting a popup message right in the middle of my UI when someone loots their mythical weapon is rather ridiculous with how often it's happening. There needs to be an easy way to turn this off without affecting the things popups were *meant* to indicate. Popups are part of my UI, and should be used to alert me to things that affect *my* character, not to give kudos to someone for completing a quest. As I said, I don't mind the chat message. But get rid of the popups. This needs to be done sooner than later.</blockquote>I can't imagine it would be so very difficult for the designers of that sort of thing to add an option to on/off for that particular pop-up, such as there is for say, skillups, where you can choose not to see it on your main screen, but only in your chat.</blockquote>*psst*  General Messages...pass it on...

[Malki]

I have relooked at the list of popups that are disableable (new word..trademarked, patented, copywrited etc etc *grins*)The following have their own list:Level upSkill GainedSkill upQuestEncounter BrokenLocation EnteredHarvestRare HarvestTradeskillNew MailThen is the general one.The list covers most ingame actions.In addition to this, even if you turn off the general pop up, or any other popup, it still appears on your chat tab.  For example, I have skill up off, but, it still shows the "you get better at piercing 20/25" in my chat windows.

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Valsehna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote>I really don't care if I get a chat message, but getting a popup message right in the middle of my UI when someone loots their mythical weapon is rather ridiculous with how often it's happening. There needs to be an easy way to turn this off without affecting the things popups were *meant* to indicate. Popups are part of my UI, and should be used to alert me to things that affect *my* character, not to give kudos to someone for completing a quest. As I said, I don't mind the chat message. But get rid of the popups. This needs to be done sooner than later.</blockquote>I can't imagine it would be so very difficult for the designers of that sort of thing to add an option to on/off for that particular pop-up, such as there is for say, skillups, where you can choose not to see it on your main screen, but only in your chat.</blockquote>*psst*  General Messages...pass it on...</blockquote>Psst... quit ignoring retorts to your points. It makes you look foolish.Psst... quit reposting the same thing over and over. It makes you look trollish.

[Ishina]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Psst... quit ignoring retorts to your points. It makes you look foolish.Psst... quit reposting the same thing over and over. It makes you look trollish.</blockquote>Psst... <i>Pot. Kettle. Black.</i>

[Kendricke]

What retort to my point?  Which point?  What am I supposedly ignoring?  The title of the discussion you started is called "Mythical loot messages should *not* cause a popup message".  I've mentioned that such an option already exists in the game.  The response then comes back that "well, I don't want to lose popups that do affect my gameplay".  Is that the "retort" you're talking about?Fine, I'll bite.  Which messages don't you want to lose?  No, really - which messages popup now that you want/need to play the game effectively.  I'll let you know if they're in general messages or not.  (...or, as I've alluded to a few times already, you could go out and test that for yourself.)The bottom line here is that if you don't want to see a Mythical popup message, you have the ability to disable that popup right now.  It's already there.  That option is in the game...right now.  If that's the problem, it's not a problem because there's already a solution.So, is that really the problem?

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote>What retort to my point?  Which point?  What am I supposedly ignoring?  The title of the discussion you started is called "Mythical loot messages should *not* cause a popup message".  I've mentioned that such an option already exists in the game.  The response then comes back that "well, I don't want to lose popups that do affect my gameplay".  Is that the "retort" you're talking about?Fine, I'll bite.  Which messages don't you want to lose?  No, really - which messages popup now that you want/need to play the game effectively.  I'll let you know if they're in general messages or not.  (...or, as I've alluded to a few times already, you could go out and test that for yourself.)The bottom line here is that if you don't want to see a Mythical popup message, you have the ability to disable that popup right now.  It's already there.  That option is in the game...right now.  If that's the problem, it's not a problem because there's already a solution.So, is that really the problem?</blockquote>I said on page 1 I don't want it to affect any other aspect of my gameplay. I've repeated this in other posts, even in posts directly responding to you. You even quoted those posts, but left out that key point, and proceeded to drum the same beat "you already have a solution."You'll tell me if any messages I want to continue to see popups for are part of General Messages? I want to see *all* messages that are part of General Messages that are not a mythical loot message. The only way anything you've said would be a solution is if General Messages contains nothing other than mythical loot messages.Not really that hard to grasp.

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Psst... quit ignoring retorts to your points. It makes you look foolish.Psst... quit reposting the same thing over and over. It makes you look trollish.</blockquote>Psst... <i>Pot. Kettle. Black.</i></blockquote>The big difference here, friend, is that I started the thread. People have repeatedly attempted to derail it. I have repeatedly tried to keep it on topic, to make that topic clear, and prevent people from purposely killing the thread by focusing on the polluted topic. This is normal forum etiquette. Derailing a thread is bad form.

[Ishina]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I want to see *all* messages that are part of General Messages that are not a mythical loot message. </blockquote>What messages, exactly? If you insist on bringing this thread back to it's intended purpose, be specific please. For clarity.

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I want to see *all* messages that are part of General Messages that are not a mythical loot message. </blockquote>What messages, exactly? If you insist on bringing this thread back to it's intended purpose, be specific please. For clarity.</blockquote>I don't know what else is contained in it, that's pretty much the point. If the category isn't called Mythical Loot Messages, then it's a near given that there are other message types contained in the category.

[Ishina]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I don't know what else is contained in it, that's pretty much the point. If the category isn't called Mythical Loot Messages, then it's a near given that there are other message types contained in the category.</blockquote>So, for arguments sake: With the game features as they stand currently, could you safely toggle off 'general messages' at no cost to your own gameplay, since you cannot state clearly (or do not know/haven't previously noticed) what you wish to keep? Is it just the principal you are arguing?

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I don't know what else is contained in it, that's pretty much the point. If the category isn't called Mythical Loot Messages, then it's a near given that there are other message types contained in the category.</blockquote>So, for arguments sake: With the game features as they stand currently, could you safely toggle off 'general messages' at no cost to your own gameplay, since you cannot state clearly (or do not know/haven't previously noticed) what you wish to keep? Is it just the principal you are arguing?</blockquote>It's the principal that my UI is my UI, and the mythical loot popups invade my UI. Chat messages are fine, I have no interest in taking away from the accolades of those that have achieved this. But they belong in a certain place in the game. Guilds getting 80 is more of an achievement than buying your mythical from some guild, yet it isn't given a popup. That's rather inconsequential, though, because I don't think anything of the sort should get a popup. The popup is part of my UI, it is heavily integrated into the way I interface with the game world. Chat is something entirely different, and messages of this sort are perfectly at home in my chat boxes.When this started for me was when an entire guild turned in their mythicals (to be fair, this guild did not buy them), and for a couple minutes straight popups were going off. That is completely ridiculous. I opened up options and proceeded to turn them off. Lo and behold, there is no clear choice to disable nothing but these invasive messages that have nothing to do with my gameplay. In order to turn them off I have to knowingly or unknowingly turn off other popup messages that *are* part of my gameplay. I started this thread knowing full well that I could experiment with the options and figure out how to turn off the mythical loot messages, but that to me is unacceptable. These are a clear category of their own, and they should have their own option to be enabled/disabled on their own, or they should be removed from the popups entirely. This thread is all about that very clear distinction.

[Ishina]

So, it is just the principal of the matter you are arguing then? You <i>could</i> turn off general messages and, in doing so, solve your issue completely? You obviously do not know what other messages are part of general messages that you wish to remain, and do not not care to check for yourself to clarify the issue you are bringing up and are insistant upon. All the important messages that I can think of have their own toggle. Unless you can name even one message type that isn't covered, and that you wish to keep as a pop-up, we are really just going nowhere.

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, it is just the principal of the matter you are arguing then? You <i>could</i> turn off general messages and, in doing so, solve your issue completely? You obviously do not know what other messages are part of general messages that you wish to remain, and do not not care to check for yourself to clarify the issue you are bringing up and are insistant upon. All the important messages that I can think of have their own toggle. Unless you can name even one message type that isn't covered, and that you wish to keep as a pop-up, we are really just going nowhere. </blockquote>I obviously do not care to check for myself that when I turn something off I lose something that I'm not sure I'm losing? Faulty logic FTW!What part of "this shouldn't affect any other aspect of my gameplay" are you missing?

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>...and, in doing so, solve your issue completely?</blockquote>This is the crux, and was clearly outlined by <span class="genmed"><b><span style="color: #3333ff;">erin</span></b></span> several posts ago.My "issue" is that there is no way to turn off mythical loot message popups without knowingly or unknowingly turning off other popups.*Very* simple point there. A point I've clarified again and again and yet so many don't get it.

[Ishina]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I do not care to check for myself that when I turn something off I lose something that I'm not sure I'm losing?What part of "this shouldn't affect any other aspect of my gameplay" are you missing?</blockquote>Well... it's your issue. You could do your homework before bringing it up.What part of "here is a solution that will not affect your gameplay" are you missing?

[Kendricke]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>...and, in doing so, solve your issue completely?</blockquote>This is the crux, and was clearly outlined by <span class="genmed"><b><span style="color: #3333ff;">erin</span></b></span> several posts ago.My "issue" is that there is no way to turn off mythical loot message popups without knowingly or unknowingly turning off other popups.*Very* simple point there. A point I've clarified again and again and yet so many don't get it.</blockquote><p>So, unless I miss my mark, what I'm hearing here is "I don't like your solution because it might not be a solution but I don't want to take the time to figure it out for myself so I think the best and only solution is for a paid SOE developer/programmer to spend time identifying code, isolating potential impacts from changing such code, actually making changes to the code, and then unit/system/user testing the code so I don't have to figure out what potential messages would be moved from my UI popup to my chat window".</p><p>I just want to clarify that we're both on the same page here.  I'd hate to misunderstand you.</p>

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>So, unless I miss my mark, what I'm hearing here is "I don't like your solution because it might not be a solution but I don't want to take the time to figure it out for myself so I think the best and only solution is for a paid SOE developer/programmer to spend time identifying code, isolating potential impacts from changing such code, actually making changes to the code, and then unit/system/user testing the code so I don't have to figure out what potential messages would be moved from my UI popup to my chat window".<p>I just want to clarify that we're both on the same page here.  I'd hate to misunderstand you.</p></blockquote><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>...when I turn something off I lose something that I'm not sure I'm losing?</blockquote>You turn something off, it's gone. How do you know it's gone if you weren't sure it was there in the first place?You've offered a solution, I've told you it isn't sufficient. You are doing nothing more than berating and trolling. Please stop.

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I do not care to check for myself that when I turn something off I lose something that I'm not sure I'm losing?What part of "this shouldn't affect any other aspect of my gameplay" are you missing?</blockquote>Well... it's your issue. You could do your homework before bringing it up.What part of "here is a solution that will not affect your gameplay" are you missing?</blockquote>Your solution *does* affect my gameplay.<span class="postbody">You've offered a solution, I've told you it isn't sufficient. You are doing nothing more than berating and trolling. Please stop.</span>

[Ishina]

<cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I do not care to check for myself that when I turn something off I lose something that I'm not sure I'm losing?What part of "this shouldn't affect any other aspect of my gameplay" are you missing?</blockquote>Well... it's your issue. You could do your homework before bringing it up.What part of "here is a solution that will not affect your gameplay" are you missing?</blockquote>Your solution *does* affect my gameplay.<span class="postbody">You've offered a solution, I've told you it isn't sufficient. You are doing nothing more than berating and trolling. Please stop.</span></blockquote>No offence, but: LOLIt's just empty words to me, my friend. You don't even know if it will affect your gameplay or not. <i>You haven't even tried it, have you? </i>If you insist on calling people trolls, at least back up your claims against them. If you insist that this solution affects your gameplay, I insist you tell me how it affects it. Not how it 'might' affect it, but <i>how it actually has or does</i> affect it.Let's do an experiment. Next time you log in to play, toggle general messages off. Then next time you log out, come back and tell us how it affected your gameplay. I dare you to do that. Bring back a result and I will admit that you have a point. Until then, you are welcome to speculate and spit imaginary hairs.

[sliderhouserules]

<cite>Zarkesh@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>No offence, but: LOLIt's just empty words to me, my friend. You don't even know if it will affect your gameplay or not. <i>You haven't even tried it, have you? </i>If you insist on calling people trolls, at least back up your claims against them. If you insist that this solution affects your gameplay, I insist you tell me how it affects it. Not how it 'might' affect it, but <i>how it actually has or does</i> affect it.Let's do an experiment. Next time you log in to play, toggle general messages off. Then next time you log out, come back and tell us how it affected your gameplay. I dare you to do that. Bring back a result and I will admit that you have a point. Until then, you are welcome to speculate and spit imaginary hairs.</blockquote><span class="postbody"><cite>sliderhouserules wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>...when I turn something off I lose something that I'm not sure I'm losing?</blockquote>You turn something off, it's gone. How do you know it's gone if you weren't sure it was there in the first place?You've offered a solution, I've told you it isn't sufficient. You are doing nothing more than berating and trolling. Please stop.</span>

[Ishina]

/facepalm

[Gorathh]

This thread seems to have run it's course and can't seem to steer clear of trouble. I'm going to go ahead and lock it.