Tome: Of majdul am I - page 12 missing?

[Tauron]

<p>Couldn't find anything about this on the forum so here goes.</p><p>My wife have spent nearly a week in Shimmering Citadel now (5-6 hours a day) and page 12 is just not dropping. She has gotten the rest of the pages en masse. Is this a now bug?</p><p>ThanksFlaxerBefallen</p>

[Jindrack]

Page 12 has the same chance to drop as the other "Of Maj'Dul Am I" pages (5, 6, 11, 15, 16).  It is the no-trade page, though, so there is only one way to get it.  Good luck!

[Tauron]

Thanks, just wanted to make sure it was still in game...I'm not exagerating (sp) when I that she has more than 20 of each of the other pages + a lot from other tomes from that zone. And she has spent at least 20+ hours in there doing nothing put killing djins.

[Domino]

Ironically I've been camping Shimmering Citadel too lately and am also missing that same page!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2e207fad049d4d292f60607f80f05768.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Good luck to both of us!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />Edit:  woohoo!  It finally dropped for me last night, so yes, it's definitely still dropping.  It's just hiding ...

[Zeitgeist]

I submit that you should consider changing these and all other pages like this.  I don't think it's particularly fun for anyone to camp these pages, and frequently camping isn't even possible until they're grey.  Making them drop in chests from grey mobs was a step in the right direction, but I'd like to see this go further.  And I've done my share of camping-- lacking only one page from Everfrost, one page from pof (which I saw drop on my assassin but alas was too slow to get over with my defiler to loot), the famed Gerrog's no-trade page from the Feerrot and most of the ones from Nizara.   As it stands I would be very surprised if over 1% of the population has done some of those books considering how annoyance and how much camping is involved for so little reward (basically proof that, like me, you're stupid enough to camp something so worthless for so long).  Don't get me wrong, I like the books, and I like doing quests.  I just don't think the difficulty should be in camping them.  I was initially very happy about the change of books from kill 90 type quests to collections and on the whole it has been a good thing.  However, in some regards it was a step back-- the kill 90s at least had some measurable finite bound on the time to  completion where the random drops can take a potentially much longer time. It seems like the books have been more reasonable in recent expansions, with the notable exception of the Cloak of Flames in EOF where the real bottleneck is not the heroic quests after the book, but the endless camping that one must do to get a full set of pages.  It took me a full morning on my main to get just the ones from LFay, and I have heard much, much worse.  Just two weeks ago, I spent four hours trying to get page 3 to drop without success killing solo invaders near the OOB area.  Eventually I gave up and wandered off since it was an alt and there are now better items out there anyway post-70.  To avoid those kinds of events you either need an improved drop rate or a modified design.  I suggest the latter since I don't think that e.g. doubling or quadrupling the drop rate changes the central fact that the RNG can be a cruel mistress.I would like to see no-trades only from clickies / !s / certain mobs with a 100% drop rate in the future, all body-droppable pages to be tradeable.  I would also like every single book to have at least a couple of no-trades requiring you to do at least some work to get a collection instead of just buying it all on the broker, which is possible with a good portion of the collections currently out there.

[Ver]

There is no reason any page should be marked NO TRADE.It's a page.From a book.The world isn't going to come to an end if they can be traded.

[Slask]

<p>I agree.  Harvesting countless ! nodes or killing countless numbers of grey mobs to get these pages is ridiculous. Though had a  run of luck last night in Everfrost and managed to finish 5 of the 8 page collections of that zone (hint: kill any sentient 'but' the gobins, of the hundreds I've killed none of them dropped a page), that's not the norm.  Plus I'm a lv 80 killing Teir 5 mobs and I always worry about stepping on a lower level's toes while trying to complete these [Removed for Content] things.</p><p>The ones that seem to be AWOL for me:</p><p><i>Everfrost</i></p><p>Brien -Clan Icereaver - pg 4</p><p>The Dying - pg 6</p><p>The Last Battle - pg 3</p><p><i>Feerrott</i></p><p>1st Lt Dergud 289 AS - pg 7</p><p>3rd Lt Gerrog - Logbook - pg 10</p><p><i>Zek</i></p><p>Jerb Northstar's Journal - pg 7</p><p>Though I am concentrating on the original content ones atm, I have a few Desert of Flames collections I haven't finished yet....</p><p>Of Maj'Dul am I - pg 12</p><p>Tale of the Rujarkian Warrior pg 17</p><p>The Cleft Dweller - pg 8</p><p>The Tale of Tirazzah - pg 4</p>

[Jindrack]

The amount of experience given by these book collections is based on one of the pages being No-Trade and the player having to fight in that zone to get it.  We could look into making those pages not No-Trade, but we'd need to reduce the exp to go along with it.  How would everyone feel about that kind of change?

[Nelin]

I would love that for that to change making no-trade ! or body drops to come by other some other method.  Would this also include the Unrest no-trade page and also the Nizarha? 

[Shazzie]

The way I see it, many people don't complete these quests when they're valid xp. They go back when everything's grey, or even when they're max level, just to finish up these darn quests. Oh, sure, you could mentor down to someone for the turn in, but that doesn't change the fact that it was grey to start with. I may be way off here, but I'm an avid, avid book collector...and there's few I've ever been able to finish at the 'appropriate' level, minus the Kunark ones (which are insanely, insanely easy in comparison to any other book quest, ever).I know I personally wouldn't even notice less xp from these quests.I would notice, and be grateful for, less irritation in completing them. I'm not asking for Kunark ease (Kunark books are <i>too </i>easy- no hard to get pages, just massive amounts of pages all in typically safe locations), but hard-to-get drops that you outlevel before you receive them through normal play is too much. If they're going to be drops, which I'm fine with- grey mob farming or not- could you make them a bit more common? Please?I <i>would also </i>love a change in the book graphics, too! Can we have less 'piles of books' that don't fit <i>anywhere</i>? <grin> At least turn the piles on their side so they're a 'row of (possibly haphazardly placed) books', but at least fit on a shelf!Thanks for pondering this, Jindrack. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Dellmon]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>We could look into making those pages not No-Trade, but we'd need to reduce the exp to go along with it.  How would everyone feel about that kind of change?</blockquote><p>I would be in favor of lowering the exp given by book quests to see the drops made more common and the removal of the No-Trade tag.  </p><p>I can only speak definitively for myself - but it is my belief - that the vast major of players who are completing these book quests are not doing it while the content is still 'green'.  A player may get a page or two while adventuring within that content while it is XP-able content, but is not spending any where need the time complete a whole book of pages.  Certainly I don't think I've ever seen a message for "LFG to hunt for book pages".</p><p>I would contend that the folks who are completing these quests are doing so to complete them for the satisfaction of the completion.  The reward is in the book house item and the knowledge that another quest is done.  The reward is not the exp at the end.</p><p>I would gladly trade "an increased drop rate and no more No-Trade" for less [or even zero] exp.</p>

[Calain80]

I don't do the quest for XP mainly. I do them for the house Item / AA XP / to get rid of them, as they cluster the collection tab. I would be sorry about loosing some AA XP, but in the greater picture I would be happy to have a better overview over the rest of my collections. p.s. Collections like "Cloak of Flames", where all pages are No-Trade should stay No-Trade. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Jindrack]

If this were to happen the Cloak of Flames pages wouldn't change, this would apply to those books that are primarily about getting the house item book and story and aren't associated with other quests.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>The amount of experience given by these book collections is based on one of the pages being No-Trade and the player having to fight in that zone to get it.  We could look into making those pages not No-Trade, but we'd need to reduce the exp to go along with it.  How would everyone feel about that kind of change?</blockquote><p>I don't care about the experience the collections give. <b><span style="font-size: small;">I WANT THE BOOK.</span></b></p><p>I really don't care if the collection turn-ins themselves gave no XP whatsoever. </p><p>Being the lore enthusiest that I am, I have over 300 individual books in my library on Kithicor, and I've been seeking out all the 10-page kill 90 monster books that drop from treasure chests in Permafrost, Rivervale, Runnyeye, Obelisk of Lost Souls, and Temple of Cazic Thule. It's too bad that Owlchick didn't have enough time to get around to the books from the dungeon zones mentioned above, but all the hard work is worth it just to have the book.</p><p>However, in my collection journal are many books from Feerrott, Everfrost, Enchanted Lands, Desert of Flame, and Zek that I require a no-trade page to complete, and I wanna see these done too. There is almost next to no recorded information about what type of mobs drop any of these no-trade pages.</p><p>Then there's all the pages from Nizara.. I'll go around and farm that zone out at level 84-85 when the zone starts to green out.</p>

[RingleToo]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>The amount of experience given by these book collections is based on one of the pages being No-Trade and the player having to fight in that zone to get it.  We could look into making those pages not No-Trade, but we'd need to reduce the exp to go along with it.  How would everyone feel about that kind of change?</blockquote>Agree with others - xp isn't the primary concern, though it's certainly nice to get. Many (most?) of the tome collections that I have done were grey when I finally completed them.

[valkry]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>The amount of experience given by these book collections is based on one of the pages being No-Trade and the player having to fight in that zone to get it.  We could look into making those pages not No-Trade, but we'd need to reduce the exp to go along with it.  How would everyone feel about that kind of change?</blockquote><p>Or if you want to keep it lvl balanced, think about putting a used-by lvl on the items. If I have to be 40th lvl to reasonably hunt in the zone the no-trade page is from, then make it tradable, but only 40+.  </p><p>A good working example of this is the orbs from the shard collections. If you get the shards done early, you have an orb that you can't use or examine for next quest of collection till you are 35(?)th lvl. So even if my 80th lvl toon passes a complete set of shard to my 5th lvl, I can't get 35th lvl exp for completeing the whole quest. I get 6 orbs I can't use for 25 lvls to store in my bank.</p><p>If you are able to fight in the zone, I think you should get the exp, but I also believe you should be able to leave the zone when it is grey and not have to revisit it for hours/days trying to get the last page to finish about 5 different books. </p><p>If they are kept no-trade, the find a few representative mobs types & have them drop the no-trade pages like they were orc spines, gnoll tails & goblin eyes (every 1-2 kills).</p>

[Kenban]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>If this were to happen the Cloak of Flames pages wouldn't change, this would apply to those books that are primarily about getting the house item book and story and aren't associated with other quests.</blockquote>I would fully support that.  The Cloak of Flames is a quest starter.  The same can be said of the pages to the RoK books which start the language quests.  But all of the older book collection quests are a pain that I gave up on a long time ago its just not worth even trying to complete them.  I have finished every single shiny collection (blue and yellow) except for one (blue shiny from KC if anyone is wondering).  I am pretty sure the only book quests I have finished are the ones where every piece comes from Maj'dul.  I even spent a night in Everfrost trying to get book pages from the mobs but after a few hours of camping and only 2 or 3 pages I just gave up and have not tried again.  I would be very interested in looking at statistics on how many people have completed the regular collections compared to how many have completed the book collections.This is what I would like to see.  All of the dropped pages from mobs and standard pages from exclamation points have the same % chance as each other (so there is no rare).  Second remove the no-trade flag on all of these pages.  Third make sure the exclamation points in each zone will allow you to get all of the pages from that zone (if x page comes from y zone it should be possible on ANY of the exclamation points).  The exception (there always is) to these rules are the pages with set positions the ones where you just run past and click a rock, basket, etc those should only come from that location and should be no trade.  The only reward from the quests is a little exp and a book to put in your house there is no reason for the quests to be as challenging as they are.  Any of the collections which lead to something else like the Cloak of Flames pages and the language collection books should remain unchanged there is no need to mess with them.  If you want the quest you should have to work for it.EDIT: Forgot to add I am fine with a reduction in experience.  I believe it should be similar to the experience from regular collection quests.  These book collections often have more items that are needed and only provide a book instead of a usable item (which is why I don't believe there should be a rare).  Having not done very many of these book collections I can't comment on how the experience compares to regular collections though.

[Hukklebuk]

including my motion for removing the no-trade tag and dropping the XP except for CoF.  Some of these pages are annoyingly difficult to convince the mobs to drop and you outlevel the content before finishing them mostly, so the XP is lost anyhow.

[Jindrack]

<p>I removed the No-Trade flag from those book collection pages that were mob dropped and/or (!) ground page spawns.  The collections that had one of their pages changed had their experience significantly reduced because the potential to completely buy the collection now exists.</p><p>This affected tome collections in the Shattered Lands, DoF, KoS, Fallen Dynasty, and EoF.  This did not include the Cloak of Flames collection which still requires you to kill for each of the pages.</p><p>Thanks for the responses guys.  It sounded like that everyone that posted was in agreement. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Rijacki]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I removed the No-Trade flag from those book collection pages that were mob dropped and/or (!) ground page spawns.  The collections that had one of their pages changed had their experience significantly reduced because the potential to completely buy the collection now exists.</p><p>This affected tome collections in the Shattered Lands, DoF, KoS, Fallen Dynasty, and EoF.  This did not include the Cloak of Flames collection which still requires you to kill for each of the pages.</p><p>Thanks for the responses guys.  It sounded like that everyone that posted was in agreement. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> </p></blockquote>Woooooo!!GU45, I assuming?

[Jindrack]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>Woooooo!!GU45, I assuming?</blockquote>Yes, this should show up in GU45.

[Xalmat]

Can you make it so that the pages will always be body drops too? Nothing worse than a book page being a chest drop, and the mob being grey...

[Noaani]

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Can you make it so that the pages will always be body drops too? Nothing worse than a book page being a chest drop, and the mob being grey...</blockquote><p>Grey mobs should still drop pages, even if they are in chests.</p><p>They removed the trivial loot code from quest items a while ago.</p><p>I have had some Master Wu and CoF pages drop from grey mobs, not sure about other book pages though.</p>

[Terron]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I removed the No-Trade flag from those book collection pages that were mob dropped and/or (!) ground page spawns.  The collections that had one of their pages changed had their experience significantly reduced because the potential to completely buy the collection now exists.</p><p>This affected tome collections in the Shattered Lands, DoF, KoS, Fallen Dynasty, and EoF.  This did not include the Cloak of Flames collection which still requires you to kill for each of the pages.</p><p>Thanks for the responses guys.  It sounded like that everyone that posted was in agreement. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> </p></blockquote>I have only just seen this thread, and I regret this change, though not much.I liked they way the quests were hard to complete.They gave me something to do when I was level capped, as did the 90 kill books.There was also the satisfaction of doing something that few other people would bother to.I can understand why Lore enthusiasts would prefer them to be easier.I wish there were more quests like them in the higher tiers, particularly the 90 kill ones.That is quests that are soloable (if you are high enough level), take a lot of work to complete, but give a feeling of progression (i.e. 9x10 better than just 90 kills) and have a unique house item reward.It is more interesting to me than doing the same instances/raids over an over again.

[Faymar]

The Maj'Dul tome collections are pretty quick and easy to complete. If you've not done them and want the full exp, you can finish five collections in an evening without trouble.I took all my alts over, they had an exciting time!<a href="http://www.mmorpg-info.org/eq2/majdul-tome-collections/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.mmorpg-info.org/eq2/majd...me-collections/</a>

[Tikku Lilledrum]

In answer to Jindracks question: I had rather get a small amount of XP and a house item reward for a collection I can complete instead of theoretically some more XP for a collection that sits in my unfinished questlog for years on end. So thanks a lot Jindrack! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /><img src="http://www.nepress.co.uk/sgjj/www2/thanksabunch/logo.jpg" border="0" alt="" />