What class has the easiest time killing swashbucklers?

[Tofflemire]

Yes I really did ask that question.

[Sightless]

<p>Depends on a lot of situations really...</p><p>Wizard, Warlock, Troub, Brigand, Ranger, Beserker, et cetera, et cetera.</p><p>I mean one could ask the same question you did, but add another class in. "What class has the easiest time killing a Brigand?"</p>

[Emolad]

Shadowknight tbh, stoneskin, death march...dt=win

[Argentor]

Brawlers are scout killers

[KatrinaDeath]

I lol'ed when I read this... Did somebody upset you, do you get killed often by the same guy?I would agree with Brawlers tho... Wardens too.

[Izzypop]

On Guard+Inspiration=Death of an avoidance tank(cough bruiser)Best class against swashies=Brigand.  They are pretty much the same overpowered class.

[Radigazt]

<p>Avatars tbh</p><p>Scouts are supposed to lose to tanks, but they don't really always.  I'd say Monks are possibly the best, followed by Bruisers and Shadowknights.  A properly specc'd Inquisitor has a chance too, but if the Swashy knows his class he shouldn't ever die to an Inquisitor, and should be able to escape Monks and Bruisers as well.  That leaves only an SK to whittle down a Swashy.  </p><p>Now it's not as clear, but 1v1 a Brigand should beat a Swashy if the Brig gets the jump.  But honestly, most Swashies don't even fight Brigs, they're the only class that gives them much of a challenge that they see solo, so the Swashies just move on and find easier prey, which is just about anything else, LOL.  One Swashy can decimate a group as long as he uses his mez.  They're so overpowered it's not even funny.  </p><p>Occasionally a Warden has a chance if he sees him fast enough, has the right gear, and burns all of his emergency heals, but it's rare that the Warden wins.  </p>

[Elephanton]

Coercer.

[Norrsken]

I wouldnt say inquisitors have an <i>easy</i> time, at least not in t8, but in the other tiers swashies were pretyt much free kills to me. But I can generally manage fairly well against equally geared swashies (and my inqies gear isnt very sexy tbh.)

[Roald]

<p>Bearing in mind that my Swashie is only 29 atm, the classes I have most trouble with are Assassins and SKs. There seems to be a big lack of Monks and Warriors in T3/T4 on Nagafen so I've yet to fight those classes.</p><p>Healers and Mages are the easiest, espically classes like druids and sorcerers imo.</p><p>From what I've seen of my Coercer in T8, all a swashie needs is a freedom of mind pot and some good weapons, and I'm dead 1 second after I break mezz. I remember in T7 and below however, I beat pretty much every swashie I fought, occasionally reds.</p>

[Tofflemire]

<cite>Swisha@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I lol'ed when I read this... Did somebody upset you, do you get killed often by the same guy?I would agree with Brawlers tho... Wardens too.</blockquote>No.  I'm too new to get upset just yet.  I know from other PvP games that I enjoy killing rogues the most.  That class seems to have a lot of people attracted to it with character traits that I don't like.Figured before I roll on a PvP server I'd try to get the natural advantage over them.  If I die to other classes, I'm still happy.  I just don't want to die too often to the rogues if possible.  From my readings the swashbucklers seem to be the toughest so I asked about them...

[Bloodfa]

<p>One on one, I assume. </p><p>Ran into an exile Templar who would not die.  Just couldn't spike him down, and he just kept going.  Even when I mezzed him and switched poisons to drain his power, I couldn't do it.  Waking just wouldn't die.  </p><p>Any Nuker that resists Mezz.  It's not like getting the drop on anybody is as easy as before totems allowed <i>anybody</i> to see stealthed or invisible enemies.  Talk about negating a class ability ... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> </p><p>Bruisers.  They have a knack for survival.  But not as good as Brigands.  Brigands and that wonderful stun-lock thang.  </p><p>So easiest ... Brigs.  But other classes all have a decent chance with a little luck.  Except Necro's.  But then they have a hard time killing anybody who's not AFK.  And being attacked by NPC's. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> </p>

[simpwrx02]

<cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>Healers and Mages are the easiest, espically classes like druids and sorcerers imo.</p></blockquote>HAHA those sorcerers suck bad then I still love finding swashys with my 40 warlock they are fame pinotas for me right now and have been for a good bit of time, however I know they will more than likely own me 1v1 t8.  Havent had one lower than orange kill me one v one even had an yellow con waste a pumice stone stripping manashield off to still die.

[Uilamin]

A properly spec'd/geared inquisitor can drop a swash in under 10seconds, maybe faster if they swash is using heal procs (CA reverse reactive can do 1500plus per proc, autoattack one can do 500plus, healing one can do close to 2000)...  Now though that would [Removed for Content] the inqy out of anything useful group wise.

[Faenril]

Depends on so many factors...The players to begin with <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Up to mid tiers, probably SK, druids, sorcerers, coercers... End game, bruisers (post nerf En Garde is pointless now), berserkers who saw the swash coming, a brig who gets the jump, inquisitors, warlocks, maybe troub too. Anyway in nearly all cases, if the swash jumps you unexpectedly you are toast. On the other hand if you are prepared many classes can do well, as you can see...

[Roald]

<cite>simpwrx02 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>Healers and Mages are the easiest, espically classes like druids and sorcerers imo.</p></blockquote>HAHA those sorcerers suck bad then I still love finding swashys with my 40 warlock they are fame pinotas for me right now and have been for a good bit of time, however I know they will more than likely own me 1v1 t8.  Havent had one lower than orange kill me one v one even had an yellow con waste a pumice stone stripping manashield off to still die.</blockquote>Seriously, those swashie mk.I kill sorcerers who pop manashield easily, killed an orange desty wizard just this weekend. Are you on Nagafen freeport side? Maybe I could show ya a thing or 2 when i hit 32

[Kratoswra]

<p>The obvius answer is swashbuckler!!</p><p>Brigands also have it nice.</p><p>The rogues are so Overpowered is not even funny.</p><p>SKs have an easy kill every 15 min. Divinie aura (10 min recast) + DM + DT(15 min recast). But after doing that the scout will track you till he revenges, so prepare to die or evac xD</p>

[Darman81]

<p>Brawlers and brigands. By no means is it easy though!</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Faerie@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Depends on so many factors...The players to begin with <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> Up to mid tiers, probably SK, druids, sorcerers, coercers... End game, bruisers (post nerf En Garde is pointless now), berserkers who saw the swash coming, a brig who gets the jump, inquisitors, warlocks, maybe troub too.<b> Anyway in nearly all cases, if the swash jumps you unexpectedly you are toast. On the other hand if you are prepared many classes can do well, as you can see...</b></blockquote>On my inqy, I disagree with that. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I kill about half of them when its a 1 vs 1 atm. and I seem to predominantly be fighting lvl 80ies. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Sheissam]

The answer is other swashbucklers in exile, or superswashies.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Sheissam wrote:</cite><blockquote>The answer is other swashbucklers in exile, or superswashies.</blockquote>I actually have a toon named superswashy. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Tofflemire]

At least at lower levels I'm finding the SK to be a great class against swashbucklers.  They can only do one thing well against me and that is run away.  Now if I only had a way to keep them around until they die <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Norrsken]

<cite>Tofflemire wrote:</cite><blockquote>At least at lower levels I'm finding the SK to be a great class against swashbucklers.  They can only do one thing well against me and that is run away.  Now if I only had a way to keep them around until they die <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>I have a sk as well, and lemme tell you, the inqy is far more effective. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ahlana]

<p>SK is good if you like a tank class. The only Swashy that has beaten me so far (my new SK is only 27 atm) was a level 31 when I was only 25. Most scouts in the low level in general will eat themselves alive on the blessing alone and HT is hardly ever needed. I mean seriously I had a swashy jump me when I was lagging extremely hard and could not manage to keep him targeted or even do many CA's I couldn't even turn without a major framerate loss. So I just kept blessing on Queue and he killed himself on it. Goes to show that some people hit too fast for their own good lol.</p><p>And unless grouped there has never been a swashy 1v1 kill my level 44 SK. Which I am just now building AA's for. She had only 6 AA's upto about a week ago at 44 and now she is locked gaining AA's all I did was PVP with her. </p><p>Ultimately I think any class that is played well will do well. It is as simple as that. Someone will cry that such and such class doesn't have a chance, and then someone will come in saying that they are able to do it with that class. So it is more skill than people will let on. No one wants to say "I suck and hence I can not do it". They want to group the class together even though there clearly are those that excel and the class and can do things others can only dream of /shrug</p><p>So pick what you like and excel!</p>

[Balrok]

<cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote>Coercer.</blockquote>I will agree that a button mashing Swash will drop to a coercer in about 5 seconds.  Thankfully 90% of Swashies are button mashers.  Smart ones auto range attack and it's all over for the coercer... OR.. omgz, Brist Miracle ftw!   .. hax.

[Faenril]

<cite>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Faerie@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Depends on so many factors...The players to begin with <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /> Up to mid tiers, probably SK, druids, sorcerers, coercers... End game, bruisers (post nerf En Garde is pointless now), berserkers who saw the swash coming, a brig who gets the jump, inquisitors, warlocks, maybe troub too.<b> Anyway in nearly all cases, if the swash jumps you unexpectedly you are toast. On the other hand if you are prepared many classes can do well, as you can see...</b></blockquote>On my inqy, I disagree with that. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> I kill about half of them when its a 1 vs 1 atm. and I seem to predominantly be fighting lvl 80ies. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>Well, if it's 50 - 50 at level 76, let you imagine what it will be like at level 80, when you gear up <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Those 80 swashies probably have way better gear than you atm.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Faerie@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Faerie@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Depends on so many factors...The players to begin with <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /> Up to mid tiers, probably SK, druids, sorcerers, coercers... End game, bruisers (post nerf En Garde is pointless now), berserkers who saw the swash coming, a brig who gets the jump, inquisitors, warlocks, maybe troub too.<b> Anyway in nearly all cases, if the swash jumps you unexpectedly you are toast. On the other hand if you are prepared many classes can do well, as you can see...</b></blockquote>On my inqy, I disagree with that. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /> I kill about half of them when its a 1 vs 1 atm. and I seem to predominantly be fighting lvl 80ies. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></blockquote>Well, if it's 50 - 50 at level 76, let you imagine what it will be like at level 80, when you gear up <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />Those 80 swashies probably have way better gear than you atm.</blockquote>yeah... I even killed my first lvl 80 swashie at lvl 65. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Man did he suck. And I am really looking forward to getting some decent gear, and getting all my spells upgraded and stuff. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Honestly, killing people with t5 spells takes AGES!

[Elephanton]

<cite>Exur@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote>Coercer.</blockquote>I will agree that a button mashing Swash will drop to a coercer in about 5 seconds.  Thankfully 90% of Swashies are button mashers.  Smart ones auto range attack and it's all over for the coercer... OR.. omgz, Brist Miracle ftw!   .. hax.</blockquote>OMG, your signature... even you are illusionist now?Dammit, looks like SOE really broken this class completely with the latest "End of Coercers" updates.