Does MT healer cure?

[bluejello]

Do the mt healers on a raid cure a lot or is it mostly the healers in other groups?

[Beastmage]

Yes, MT healers should be curing.  At least I always have, and every other healer that has every grouped with me has also.

[arieste]

the MT healer can see that the tank needs curing long before the tank calls it out via vent or raidchat, so, yes MT healer should cure.  there are situations when the MT healers are better off doing something else and there is enough time to ask an out of group healer to do it.  should an MT defiler be curing?  i try to leave it for the classes better suited to it, but do it when i can.   depends on the situation really.  the short answer is still yes.

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>The MT Healers HAVE to cure.   There are so many instances where a DoT has to be removed the absolute soonest, and the healers in each group are most suited for taking care of their own group.    If you know there is a dot on the pull that's going to be a problem, but also healing has to be uninterrupted, we have had an out of group healer spam whichever cure on the MT during the pull, but after that, it's the responsibility of the group.</p><p>From the standpoint of having played/raided a Templar, Defiler and Warden...when I'm raiding on my warden I'll do most of the MT group cures (when in the MT group) due to faster casting times (9 times out of 10) of all my spells than the other 2 healers in the group.</p><p>What I like to do..and see done:   the Templar will get the group Arcane cure (cause I don't have it), the Defiler will get the group Noxious cure (same...I don't have it in group) and I'll get most of the single target and group trauma/elemental cures.   If a dot is sitting on the group longer than how long I know it takes the Defiler and Templar to cast their group cure spells - I'll start single target curing it because I am figuring their timers are down,and mine are much faster.   If I cure and they then cast a group cure, it's no big deal - I'm very power efficient and my timers refresh fast.   Coordinating it is ideal, but when it's not possible, that's my default.</p><p>Lots of healers feel they can't cure because some raid fights need them to heal really hard.   What they don't see is: if you cure a nasty DoT on whomever, you often don't have to work so hard to heal.  There are many healers at 80 that don't realize an ounce of cure is worth a pound of heal....and I don't know why that is.</p><p>Asking an out of group healer to take care of all your cures is not the most efficient use of healers, and is, IMO, lazy.   They are usually not sitting around waiting to support your group (with exception of heals on the MT), they are usually busy with their own.  If a nasty dot is sitting on your group members, it's most likely sitting on theirs, as well.   But to ask for an out of group cure in a difficult or unusual circumstance (like your group is stifled with a cureable dot, etc), is why you have more than 1 group on a raid. </p><p>My 2, </p>

[Kari]

There are a couple of specific encounters where we will have an out of group healer do nothing but spam a specific cure on the MT. This is very rare and only happens when we are fighitng a mob that casts a debuff that will result in a one-shot death of the tank on the next hit. The vast majority of the time cures are all handled by the MT healers. Typically the druid does the most cures, but the templar and defiler need to be ready and cure whenever they can. Curing the right debuff can save way more hp than a heal can restore so it can be a bit of a balancing act between the two.

[cggerth]

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, and more Yes.  MT healers do cure.  That has got to be one of my BIGGEST issues with other healers, they feel because they are not a druid they don't have to cure.  It takes practice and timing to get the most our of your curing.  Like was said above, some things have to be cured right away, and some things you can wait to finish casting your ward then cure.  Somethings can be cured out of  group.  When we use to do MMIS, it was easy to tell when the MT was charmed because his target was changed.  When I wasn't in the MT group I'd just look for the target changing, then cast the cure.If you are having trouble getting cures off and feel they take to long to cast, consider trying out the sta line that has increased single target cures.  the AA mirrors are pretty cheap now so change AA lines to it for a bit to try it out.  Now that i've been that line for awhile, when I play other healers I can't stand to cure as it seems so slow.Once you get it into your mind that you can cure and start working on it, then it becomes easier.  It also helps to have the other healer in the MT group helping cure.  Sometimes you have to make a decision of whether the condition is cured right away, or delay the cure until you finish casting something.  You also have to make who you cure in a priority order and depends on what it is.  If its a charm or mez on the tank, that needs to be cured right away even if you have to cancel casting a group ward to do it.  But a dot that does maybe 500dmg per tick can wait until you finish casting the group ward, then clear it.  Also depends how far into the casting you are.All I can really say is Everyone should be helping cure.

[Ishnar]

yea, I've had my single target cure AA at 8 for a long time now.  The only reason not to cure is to beat someone on a heal parse because cures are far more mana efficient than wards or heals. With the aa maxed it costs less than 10 mana to shut down some serious dots and I get very little aggro for the cure but healing that same amount of hp on the tank would give me a lot of aggro.

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>Wow, it seriously never occurred to me that some healers might not cure cause it wrecks their heal parse.   I wouldn't want to be in a guild where those numbers are so important that actually keeping everybody alive took a backseat to what you parsed. </p><p>wow..that sux.</p>

[Kari]

<cite>Arielle Nightshade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wow, it seriously never occurred to me that some healers might not cure cause it wrecks their heal parse.   I wouldn't want to be in a guild where those numbers are so important that actually keeping everybody alive took a backseat to what you parsed. </p><p>wow..that sux.</p></blockquote><p>I just wanted to make a small clarification about our guild, since Naex and I are in the same guild. He has never raided with us due to being level 44, so he may not be aware that we do not run a heal parse nor do we post one or discuss it on our forums or in our raids. I run my personal heal parse which I use to analyze my spell and build effectiveness and measure the results of aa adjustments. However I do not post it anywhere nor do I discuss it with anyone.</p><p>I make an honest effort whenever the tank has a condition to cure it. This at times involves canceling a ward in order to make the cure. However, other times we are fighting mobs that are capable of one-shotting the tank if the ward is not up. So sometimes it is a judgement call for me if I cancel the ward to make the cure or if I continue the ward cast and hope the druid will get it in time. That depends a lot on how serious the condition is. I have lost the tank making a bad call both ways, but cancelling the ward seems to be fatal more often lately. </p><p>I think the most important thing is that we in the MT group work together as a team and we maximize what each does best for the good of the raid. Although I have gone down the curing aa line to get the enhancement, I am still not as quick at casting it as some of our druids, which I see as a good reflection on their skill.</p>

[Ishnar]

<cite>Karianne@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arielle Nightshade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wow, it seriously never occurred to me that some healers might not cure cause it wrecks their heal parse.   I wouldn't want to be in a guild where those numbers are so important that actually keeping everybody alive took a backseat to what you parsed. </p><p>wow..that sux.</p></blockquote><p>I just wanted to make a small clarification about our guild, since Naex and I are in the same guild. He has never raided with us due to being level 44, so he may not be aware that we do not run a heal parse nor do we post one or discuss it on our forums or in our raids. I run my personal heal parse which I use to analyze my spell and build effectiveness and measure the results of aa adjustments. However I do not post it anywhere nor do I discuss it with anyone.</p></blockquote>Ok, now I feel the need to make a clarification.  I was making no accusations or pointing fingers, nor can I claim to have raided with these types, but they are out there, although I usually encounter them in groups not raids.  These types of players don't seem to be desired on raids for some reason, I've no idea why....I actually have raided with the guild, about 6 raids total including Deathfist Citidel, all well over a year ago, but Karianne can be excused for not knowing due to how long ago it was.  I'm 44 so no high end content, so she might not consider those real raids, but more likely, the reason she thinks I haven't raided with the guild is because the raids I attended were before karianne joined so there is no reason she would know of them.  Three of those were wipes.  Wee!I've since rejoined the guild after being away for over a year.  Since all of the guild raiding now seems to be at the top I'm slowly leveling up.

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>Gah!  And I didn't mean for my remarks to construe that I thought either one of you would do that. You are both clearly thoughtful healers - just the remark that some people do this /boggled me - and hence my comment. </p><p>I apologize if I even remotely sounded like it was reflecting on you!  I appreciate your comments in this thread <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>