FYI - About Station Exchange

[Gnobrin]

<p>  At the present time, due to the ongoing process to scale back Station Exchange for the switch-over to Live Gamer, you are <b>no longer</b> able to create one day auctions for EverQuest II.  The time and date of the actual closure of Station Exchange is still undetermined at this time, but as soon as the information is known, it'll be made known here.</p><p>Here was the timeline of this process:</p><li>14 Day Auction Removal - Wednesday, March 12 </li><li>7 Day Auction Removal - Wednesday, March 19 </li><li>5 Day Auction Removal - Friday, March 21 </li><li>3 Day Auction Removal - Sunday, March 23 </li><li>1 Day Auction Removal - Tuesday, March 25 <span style="color: #ff0000;">(today)</span></li><p>~Gnobrin!</p>

[Gnobrin]

<p>The "official word"</p><p><span style="color: #cc0000;">Station Exchange will close <b>Thursday, March 27</b> at approximately <b>12:00am</b>.</span>  Additional details concerning the transition from the EverQuest II Station Exchange to the Live Gamer Exchange are available at <a href="http://stationexchange.station.sony.com/livegamer.vm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://stationexchange.station.sony...om/livegamer.vm</a> and <b><a href="http://www.livegamer.com/hotnews.php#FAQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.livegamer.com/hotnews.php#FAQ</a>.</b></p>

[Miladi]

When are we going to be able to register with Livegamer and NOT use a cell phone, one of the stupidest "security" methods I've heard of? I don't have a phone that can accept text messages, so I can't register on the site.

[Chanoch1967]

<cite>Miladian wrote:</cite><blockquote>When are we going to be able to register with Livegamer and NOT use a cell phone, one of the stupidest "security" methods I've heard of? I don't have a phone that can accept text messages, so I can't register on the site.</blockquote><p>I would like to know what SOE is doing to combat this problem.  As best as I can tell from the LiveGamer website, EQII is their only client.  I will not continue to be a customer of either company with the cell phone restriction in place.</p>

[Grimwell]

This is not a problem SOE can 'cure' for you Chanoch. Your best path to a solution is to contact Live Gamer and see what they have to say. It may not be an exciting answer, but that's a realistic thing you can do.

[Calthine]

<cite>Miladian wrote:</cite><blockquote>When are we going to be able to register with Livegamer and NOT use a cell phone, one of the stupidest "security" methods I've heard of? I don't have a phone that can accept text messages, so I can't register on the site.</blockquote>That was one of the concerns I originally contacted Live Gamer about - when I first looked not only did you need a cell phone but you had to be on one of the major providers.One thing George told me that wasn't part of <a href="http://eq2.allakhazam.com/sdetail.html?story=12799" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this interview</a> was that they're looking into secure, non-SMS ways to verify identity. 

[Leko]

<cite>Chanoch1967 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Miladian wrote:</cite><blockquote>When are we going to be able to register with Livegamer and NOT use a cell phone, one of the stupidest "security" methods I've heard of? I don't have a phone that can accept text messages, so I can't register on the site.</blockquote><p>I would like to know what SOE is doing to combat this problem.  As best as I can tell from the LiveGamer website, EQII is their only client.  I will not continue to be a customer of either company with the cell phone restriction in place.</p></blockquote>Wow,  Thats kind of sad SOE.  You would have thought a community driven game company would have looked at the business practices of the company you were going to outsource and confirm that your community would not have a negative experience brought on by the actions that SOE picked.

[Miladi]

<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is not a problem SOE can 'cure' for you Chanoch. Your best path to a solution is to contact Live Gamer and see what they have to say. It may not be an exciting answer, but that's a realistic thing you can do.</blockquote>I've contacted Livegamer directly, and they say they're "THINKING" about another method, but nothing solid from them. The truth is, Livegamer wants Sony's business, meaning they want to make money from your customers. If your company exerted pressure on their business partner to do something about this, then I think that they'd be more inclined to  act upon our outrage. Sony and Livegamer do have a contractual obligation to each other don't they?

[Spyderbite]

Alright. I'm not an advocate of RMT myself. But, to each their own. If you don't own a cell phone, give a number for a friend's cell phone and have them give you the code. At last count 70% of all North American's own a cell phone or have one in their home.They'll find an alternative method ofor authorization eventually. In the meantime, think outside the box instead of stomping around like senior citizens refusing to adapt to new technology. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Isisalthea]

How does having a cell phone that has text messaging make your transaction more secure or provide any guarenteee you are who you say you are?  Using someone elses phone defeats the whole purpose of the supposed security of the cell phone. I have a cell phone but do not want to have text messaging enable on it.  There are many more secure ways to confirm a persons identity.  Companies have been using email, or even a charge against a credit card to confirm identity, why can't live gamer?And a cell phone requirement is a discrimination against the deaf community. Until they come up with something else I will not be registering with livegamer.

[Neiloch]

I'm not sure if this would even work because the exchange server isn't my thing BUT, I have seen several companies allow you to text message people in their network through your computer via a website form. If you need to receive a text message it doesn't help, but if you just need to send one it might work.

[JamesRay]

<p>A company has to do whatever they believe will combat fraud, and we all have no clue as to how/why they chose that particular method of authentication.  SOE forcing the company to apply a standard which compromises their security is a detriment to both parties.</p><p>I will say that forcing a text message to a US number assures that *somebody* in the US is involved in the registration, as opposed to using email where anybody could create an account at hotmail.</p><p>The only other thing I can think of would be setting up direct deposit accounts with US banks, and having the auto-deposit confirmation of a couple small test deposit amounts to verify identity...but obviously that would come later and not during pre-reg.</p><p>This company is working with many others besides SOE and isn't completely daft...they're probably just paranoid, which is a necessity when dealing with virtual items.</p>

[Miladi]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Alright. I'm not an advocate of RMT myself. But, to each their own. If you don't own a cell phone, give a number for a friend's cell phone and have them give you the code. At last count 70% of all North American's own a cell phone or have one in their home.They'll find an alternative method ofor authorization eventually. In the meantime, think outside the box instead of stomping around like senior citizens refusing to adapt to new technology. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>I have a cell phone, it does not have texting because I have a teenager and a pre-teen on our family plan, think outside your ageism biases and adapt yourself to new ideas as to why some of us won't be able to register there. I could ask one of my son's to do it, but I can hardly ever get them on the phone these days as it is. There's a ton of reasons why this is such a poor method of verification, these are a couple of them.

[Miladi]

<cite>JamesRay wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A company has to do whatever they believe will combat fraud, and we all have no clue as to how/why they chose that particular method of authentication.  SOE forcing the company to apply a standard which compromises their security is a detriment to both parties.</p><p>I will say that forcing a text message to a US number assures that *somebody* in the US is involved in the registration, as opposed to using email where anybody could create an account at hotmail.</p><p>The only other thing I can think of would be setting up direct deposit accounts with US banks, and having the auto-deposit confirmation of a couple small test deposit amounts to verify identity...but obviously that would come later and not during pre-reg.</p><p>This company is working with many others besides SOE and isn't completely daft...they're probably just paranoid, which is a necessity when dealing with virtual items.</p></blockquote>I agree that they need to make sure that they're doing business with someone is who they say they are, but texting to an anonymous cell phone number is NOT the way. If I lived in China, I could have friends that live in the US and I could use their cell phone to receive the messages. They even suggested to me that if I don't have the ability to do it, then to find someone that I know that does have texting capability and use their phone. HOW IS THAT BEING SECURE?????? You can't tell me that there is ANY way that this is a secure authorization method, or that the person signing up even lives on this planet let alone in the USA.Paypal verifies an account by sending 2 small deposit amounts to your bank of record, and you have to tell them the exact amounts of the transfers before they'll let you use their site and that account. This is a much safer way of verifying that at least the bank account is valid, you have access to it, and for these purposes at least the bank is in the US. Why can't this be done here? Verfiy the registration by email, and then worry about whether or not the bank is in the US, if you register it doesn't mean you can sell until your bank is verified.

[deathtoyou5]

Muahahahahah gives me my pot of gold!!! Another question i had was i heard they are not charging the $10 anymore to sell your toon why not? Hard to beleive soe would stop doing that since they make a good amount of money from it. And now since they are not charging the $10 anymore if its true every tom,dick and harry will be selling any kind of toon on the exchange be it a [Removed for Content] ranger or a level 1 tradeskill.. i think not charging is gonna ruin it in the long run.