I guess even the Evil Eyes have thier myths, legends, and gods.

[Cusashorn]

<p>I was just bumming around Runnyeye, slaughtering goblins by the dozens in hope that they'll drop more books to add to my library. I decided to go into the instance at the northern part of the zone. Aside from the fact that the zone itself is still littered with gigglegibber stuff from Bristlebane's Day 2 years ago, the mobs in there initiate a bit of a story.</p><p>At the end of it all, Duke Zoryll tells you to go kill Ragrax at the southern end of Runnyeye. Even though he himself is an evil eye, just like Zoryll, he needs to be destroyed for the betterment of evil eyes and goblins both.</p><p>At the end he said: "May the allseeing Xktkex speed you on your way."</p>

[Gukkor2]

More gods makes Gukkor happy. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Vhalen]

<p>There are a small number of evil eyes that have been known to worship a deity that is bound to a creation myth of the race. Discovering this worship was not an easy task nor ahs it been proven to be fact. If the deity does exist, it is elusive to even the gods of the Outer and Inner Planes. A handful of scholars at the Academy of Arcane Science have mentioned the rumored deity. Their findings are taken from artifacts recovered from the Temple of the Eye, a hidden shrine to the supposed deity. In short, this is what was written.</p><p>Xktkez is rumored to be involved in the creation of the evil eye race. From what we are able to decipher from evil eye records, he, or "it," most often appears as a gigantic eye with no eyelids. The pupil of the deity is a black maelstrom that contains the power to suck up anything caught in its gaze and pass it into an unknown realm. In one of the evil eye creation myths, it is written that Xktkez plunged himself into the depths of Norrath and slumbered for several hundred years. During his slumber the massive eye shed a single tear that created the first evil eye spawning pit. Whether this being is real or not and what plane it originated from is still a mystery to all Norrathian scholars.</p>

[Ama]

<cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are a small number of evil eyes that have been known to worship a deity that is bound to a creation myth of the race. Discovering this worship was not an easy task nor ahs it been proven to be fact. If the deity does exist, it is elusive to even the gods of the Outer and Inner Planes. A handful of scholars at the Academy of Arcane Science have mentioned the rumored deity. Their findings are taken from artifacts recovered from the Temple of the Eye, a hidden shrine to the supposed deity. In short, this is what was written.</p><p>Xktkez is rumored to be involved in the creation of the evil eye race. From what we are able to decipher from evil eye records, he, or "it," most often appears as a gigantic eye with no eyelids. The pupil of the deity is a black maelstrom that contains the power to suck up anything caught in its gaze and pass it into an unknown realm. In one of the evil eye creation myths, it is written that Xktkez plunged himself into the depths of Norrath and slumbered for several hundred years. During his slumber the massive eye shed a single tear that created the first evil eye spawning pit. Whether this being is real or not and what plane it originated from is still a mystery to all Norrathian scholars.</p></blockquote><p>Very interesting and i'm quite curious how old the evil eyes actually are.  During my time in EQOA I saw several of these creatures littered about, but most seemed to be inside temples or around ancient structures. </p><p>One thing i'm wondering about though is Mayong mistmoore and whyhis researchers have almost baby like evil eyes on tables disecting them. </p>

[Gukkor2]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are a small number of evil eyes that have been known to worship a deity that is bound to a creation myth of the race. Discovering this worship was not an easy task nor ahs it been proven to be fact. If the deity does exist, it is elusive to even the gods of the Outer and Inner Planes. A handful of scholars at the Academy of Arcane Science have mentioned the rumored deity. Their findings are taken from artifacts recovered from the Temple of the Eye, a hidden shrine to the supposed deity. In short, this is what was written.</p><p>Xktkez is rumored to be involved in the creation of the evil eye race. From what we are able to decipher from evil eye records, he, or "it," most often appears as a gigantic eye with no eyelids. The pupil of the deity is a black maelstrom that contains the power to suck up anything caught in its gaze and pass it into an unknown realm. In one of the evil eye creation myths, it is written that Xktkez plunged himself into the depths of Norrath and slumbered for several hundred years. During his slumber the massive eye shed a single tear that created the first evil eye spawning pit. Whether this being is real or not and what plane it originated from is still a mystery to all Norrathian scholars.</p></blockquote><p>Very interesting and i'm quite curious how old the evil eyes actually are.  During my time in EQOA I saw several of these creatures littered about, but most seemed to be inside temples or around ancient structures. </p><p>One thing i'm wondering about though is Mayong mistmoore and whyhis researchers have almost baby like evil eyes on tables disecting them. </p></blockquote><p>Are you sure they're baby evil eyes and not, y'know, eyes?</p><p>In any case, what I'm wondering is if "evil eye" really is the proper name for the race.  It seems kinda...biased, doesn't it?  </p><p>Also how in Baator are we supposed to pronounce "Xktkez (or is it Xktkex)?"</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>We call them Evil Eyes because we simply do not know what they call themselves.</p><p>I'm gonna just pronounce it "Zikt-kez". Two syllables.</p><p>Also: I was totally not expecting a Vhalen response. lol</p>

[Ama]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are a small number of evil eyes that have been known to worship a deity that is bound to a creation myth of the race. Discovering this worship was not an easy task nor ahs it been proven to be fact. If the deity does exist, it is elusive to even the gods of the Outer and Inner Planes. A handful of scholars at the Academy of Arcane Science have mentioned the rumored deity. Their findings are taken from artifacts recovered from the Temple of the Eye, a hidden shrine to the supposed deity. In short, this is what was written.</p><p>Xktkez is rumored to be involved in the creation of the evil eye race. From what we are able to decipher from evil eye records, he, or "it," most often appears as a gigantic eye with no eyelids. The pupil of the deity is a black maelstrom that contains the power to suck up anything caught in its gaze and pass it into an unknown realm. In one of the evil eye creation myths, it is written that Xktkez plunged himself into the depths of Norrath and slumbered for several hundred years. During his slumber the massive eye shed a single tear that created the first evil eye spawning pit. Whether this being is real or not and what plane it originated from is still a mystery to all Norrathian scholars.</p></blockquote><p>Very interesting and i'm quite curious how old the evil eyes actually are.  During my time in EQOA I saw several of these creatures littered about, but most seemed to be inside temples or around ancient structures. </p><p>One thing i'm wondering about though is Mayong mistmoore and whyhis researchers have almost baby like evil eyes on tables disecting them. </p></blockquote><p>Are you sure they're baby evil eyes and not, y'know, eyes?</p><p>In any case, what I'm wondering is if "evil eye" really is the proper name for the race.  It seems kinda...biased, doesn't it?  </p><p>Also how in Baator are we supposed to pronounce "Xktkez (or is it Xktkex)?"</p></blockquote>Yup and atm the name of the them escapes me.  I want to say evil eye pupils is what I saw on the tables.  They were inside of the blood forge room.

[Cmos]

<cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The pupil of the deity is a black maelstrom that contains the power to suck up anything caught in its gaze and pass it into an unknown realm. </p></blockquote><p>This would make for interesting zone entrance, if the god was ever discovered to be in fact real. </p><p>A gigantic evil-eye boss mob you have to fight to a certain point (health percentage, or triggered by an inventory item form a long winded quest or something along those lines), then he sucks your group into this "unkown realm". Leaving you and your groupmates to discover the way out. woot! fun!!!</p>

[Galithdor]

<cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are a small number of evil eyes that have been known to worship a deity that is bound to a creation myth of the race. Discovering this worship was not an easy task nor ahs it been proven to be fact. If the deity does exist, it is elusive to even the gods of the Outer and Inner Planes. A handful of scholars at the Academy of Arcane Science have mentioned the rumored deity. Their findings are taken from artifacts recovered from the Temple of the Eye, a hidden shrine to the supposed deity. In short, this is what was written.</p><p>Xktkez is rumored to be involved in the creation of the evil eye race. From what we are able to decipher from evil eye records, he, or "it," most often appears as a gigantic eye with no eyelids. The pupil of the deity is a black maelstrom that contains the power to suck up anything caught in its gaze and pass it into an unknown realm. In one of the evil eye creation myths, it is written that Xktkez plunged himself into the depths of Norrath and slumbered for several hundred years. During his slumber the massive eye shed a single tear that created the first evil eye spawning pit. Whether this being is real or not and what plane it originated from is still a mystery to all Norrathian scholars.</p></blockquote>This sounds quite interesting...i never even knew evil eyes had a god...but they have one even if its fake haha interesting bit of lore.

[KniteShayd]

Wondering if we don't know a whole lot because the god is void planar being...

[Lodrelhai]

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wondering if we don't know a whole lot because the god is void planar being...</blockquote>You could have something there.  If this creation story for the evil eyes is true, the evil eyes are one of only two known native Norrathian races to be working with the Void - and the dryads are corrupted into lamias (at least according to the Tunare diety quest line).  The corruption of dryads to lamias seems to match void tactics from other worlds, based on the Remembrance books - there seems to be a trend of noticeable physical changes in the corrupted.  So the evil eyes are working with the Void but are not undergoing physical changes which would evidence Void corruption.If the evil eyes are, in fact, spawn of a Void planar being, that would explain both their presence in the Obelisks and their lack of change.  Of course, that'd also indicate the Void has had a presence on Norrath for a LOT longer than we've supposed.  And really makes me wonder about the evil eye agendas in Runnyeye and the Temple of Cazic-Thule.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wondering if we don't know a whole lot because the god is void planar being...</blockquote>What makes you think that Xktkez is a void being? Just because evil eyes exist in that realm, and COUNTLESS OTHERS throughout universal existance?

[Gukkor2]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wondering if we don't know a whole lot because the god is void planar being...</blockquote>What makes you think that Xktkez is a void being? Just because evil eyes exist in that realm, and COUNTLESS OTHERS throughout universal existance?</blockquote>They're probably not even all the same race so much as they are the same body type.  So if the playable races have a humanoid body type, I guess theirs would be an "oculoid" body type.

[Basho]

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Of course, that'd also indicate the Void has had a presence on Norrath for a LOT longer than we've supposed.</blockquote>Through <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=192" target="_blank">Remembrances: Berrox</a> we learn that there has been a void presence on Norrath in the very distant past.It basically explains how the obelisks were present during the events of Bertoxxulous' creation story.

[Rainmare]

I see the Void connections are first, the things name. there are very few things that have those kind of funky names that aren't void related so far. second it's 'ability' it has a black, swirling maelstrom for it's eye that 'sucks you into another realm'. that phrasing there makes me think Void, since anyplace else we can go/know about to is reffered to as a 'plane'.the fact that if it does exist, it's a being that for being 'divine' is completely off the radar for ALL the other gods. it apparently exercises no influence that triggers the other gods to take notice. this could point to it being something that isn't divine, or something that is of a power level to be considered 'divine' but it's nature/source is so alien that the Gods can't sense it/figure it out. which could be the nature of the Void. for something so dangerous that Gods won't go there for fear of corruption, those Void minions sure do seem to get around norrath without one of the dieties seemingly aware of it.

[Cusashorn]

<p>That swirling maelstrom reminds me of a black hole instead...</p>

[KniteShayd]

<p>Considering the abilities of the Evil Eyes, and the description of that diety, I base my theory off of that.</p><p>And If I recall, the void is not influenced by the dieties of Norrath.  If they can't exert influence in the void, what/who can? The shadow men and such came from somewhere, unless they formed by a big bang type of creation. So then <i><b>Who</b></i> created <i><b>them</b></i>?</p><p>The only diety I can see having any sort of influence in the void would/could/may be the Nameless.</p><p>If not, I could see the void as being like an anti-plane. Anti in the opposite or inverse, not necessarily as enemy plane. If that is so, it would further my theory that the influence of our known dieties hasn't/can't reach there and therefore knowledge of the beings is unavailable or very little. And which is, again, why <i><b>we</b></i> have little info and can find little info about the void and all it entails.</p><p>Why do I have a feeling that what GoD was to EQ, is what the void stuff will be to EQ2?... But maybe a better storyline...</p>

[Gukkor2]

I still can't understand why people had/have such hatred for the lore of GoD and OoW. 

[Apocroph]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I still can't understand why people had/have such hatred for the lore of GoD and OoW.  </blockquote>Because it was a swift and decisive change from high fantasy to "RARR EVIL ALIENS WITH UNPRONOUNCEABLE NAMES FROM BEYOND THE GALAXY" mayhaps?It would be like Frodo and Sam setting out from the Shire to destroy the ring at Mount Doom, only to find that Mordor is actually on Qo'NoS, and justifying this with "Oh, but they passed through the portal to Discord, where everything is all weird and differenty!"

[Gukkor2]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I still can't understand why people had/have such hatred for the lore of GoD and OoW.  </blockquote>Because it was a swift and decisive change from high fantasy to "RARR EVIL ALIENS WITH UNPRONOUNCEABLE NAMES FROM BEYOND THE GALAXY" mayhaps?It would be like Frodo and Sam setting out from the Shire to destroy the ring at Mount Doom, only to find that Mordor is actually on Qo'NoS, and justifying this with "Oh, but they passed through the portal to Discord, where everything is all weird and differenty!"</blockquote><p>But it wasn't like there were spaceships or electricity or anything.  Yes, the races from Discord are different from the races on Norrath, but their level of technological advancement isn't really that different at all.  Plus, they still use magic and all that, so I don't see how the fact that they're from worlds other than Norrath makes any difference.  </p><p>If the Kyv were walking around with phasers or Mata Muram were a cyborg, I'd see your point.</p>

[KniteShayd]

<p>I never did any thing content-wise with GoD after my friend told me the Priest of Discord screwed him over after hailing him, lol</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Apocroph]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>But it wasn't like there were spaceships or electricity or anything.  Yes, the races from Discord are different from the races on Norrath, but their level of technological advancement isn't really that different at all.  Plus, they still use magic and all that, so I don't see how the fact that they're from worlds other than Norrath makes any difference.  <p>If the Kyv were walking around with phasers or Mata Muram were a cyborg, I'd see your point.</p></blockquote>Well, whether you agree or not, that's how a lot of people felt.  It was one of those things that gave people a lot of trouble with the "suspension of disbelief" concept on which fantasy games are built.  It didn't jive with the Everquest dynamic for a lot of people.  Given that the concept didn't jive, the poor design and tuning in the expansion proper was the last straw for a lot of people regarding the Discord-based expansions.

[zerfall]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>But it wasn't like there were spaceships or electricity or anything.  Yes, the races from Discord are different from the races on Norrath, but their level of technological advancement isn't really that different at all.  Plus, they still use magic and all that, so I don't see how the fact that they're from worlds other than Norrath makes any difference.  <p>If the Kyv were walking around with phasers or Mata Muram were a cyborg, I'd see your point.</p></blockquote>Well, whether you agree or not, that's how a lot of people felt.  It was one of those things that gave people a lot of trouble with the "suspension of disbelief" concept on which fantasy games are built.  It didn't jive with the Everquest dynamic for a lot of people.  Given that the concept didn't jive, the poor design and tuning in the expansion proper was the last straw for a lot of people regarding the Discord-based expansions.</blockquote>Precisely.  When people are given a certain "environment" to play in, and get very used to that environment for a long time, a change to even something remotely "sci-fi" will be met with a fair amount of resistance.I hate very much to bring it up here, but it's exactly the same situation when The Burning Crusade was released for WoW.  You went from a fantasy world with a definite backstory (backed up by 3 previous RTS games plus expansions to them), to not only a change in the canon lore (going from Sargeras being corrupted by the Eredar to Sargeras corrupting half of the Draenei into Eredar) but also the feel of "ZOMG LAZER SPACE ALIEN PALADINS".  Yes, it was all explainable by magic, but the general feel of it was just too spacey and technological for the genre that the original occupied.Personally, I reside on the side that prefers the fantasy feel and can fully understand why GoD-haters feel the way they do.

[Moltove]

Gukkor2 wrote:    Cusashorn wrote:        Bandorn@Venekor wrote:            Wondering if we don't know a whole lot because the god is void planar being...        What makes you think that Xktkez is a void being? Just because evil eyes exist in that realm, and COUNTLESS OTHERS throughout universal existance?    They're probably not even all the same race so much as they are the same body type.  So if the playable races have a humanoid body type, I guess theirs would be an "oculoid" body type.To a point, I can see this, but I was going to say, to those who think that Evil Eyes had never changed...What if they DID change? What if they were previously something else, but we don't know what? Either something that's already in existance or something we have yet to discover or learn about. Heck, the Evil Eye God could be something completely different, but just has a huge freakin' eye that gets hungry from time to time.Also, I beleive the Eyes in Runnyeye do a weird graphic thingy where when they cast a spell, the spew black stuff everywhere...or is it suck up nearby energy to gain power to cast their weird spells?And to be honest, I see no difference in a black hole and a void. Sure in some physics class, they can be different (heck if I know), but to the average Joe, they seem the same- an empty space of nothingness. I think if anything, a black whole just has that vortex of suckingness...but, that's what that Evil Eye God's for! To suck you in! Amiright?(sorry...wrote this up last night, then when I hit submit, the forums were down, so I copied it all in Notepad, which obviously doesn't do quote boxes)And sorry if my post is completely redundant...I've never read up on my Void Lore, so I can't say for sure it's even possible that the Evil Eyes did change and what not. Just throwing it out there.

[ratbast]

<p>I think the evil eye's come from an alternate norrath universe, with its own gods, events, outcomes; along with the nizari. the kind of place eqnext is.</p><p>Although they have roots in OoLS and feerrot, they are not from the void, nor cazic-thule; Xktkex is their god and creator.</p><p>imagery: glimmering/gleaming, eyes, dimensions, moving from one 'place-strand' (parallel universe) to another, ancient religion</p><p>From eq1 - <a href="http://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/conjurer-mrial/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/...conjurer-mrial/</a></p><p>Conjurer Mrial says ‘My most trusted advisor, and a man of some considerable talents. . . he came from a land from past the Faraway itself, on the far side of the Known Lands. The journey is perilous even to there. Taelin postulated that all places existed as one, as the strands in a loom. He was a. . . maker of [devices].’</p> <p>You say, ‘what devices’</p> <p>Conjurer Mrial says ‘Such devices I could never understand, but they filled the Gleaming City from front gate to Keep. His contributions to city life were without equal. He always talked of making a device for moving people from one place-strand to another, in the blink of an eye. I was skeptical, for such workings seem too much like the “magic” of which the old [religions] spoke.’</p><p>from eq2 nizira- The Mirrored World - Chapter XI (nizari)</p><p>… The vindicae have gone before, through the glimmering mirror. The halls beyond our halls, but they are not. The halls beyond the mirror are false and filled with knowledge. These halls will be cleansed and the false gods will be punished.</p> <p>These enlightened, these false avatars, they seek the summit of erudition. Not so strange are they, they are like before. Like before, they will be ravaged as we pass beyond the mirror to deliver the wrath of the Nizari.</p><p>(false gods being how they see pantheon from parallel universe)</p><p>from eq2 nizira - The Avatar of All Seeing – Chapter V … By word of Mistress Zhivari, we are to hide in the shadows. We are not yet worthy to converse with the Avatar of All Seeing. Still with the gift of the All Seeing, the glowing statue, he walks among us. Will he turn to bestow the gift of the All Seeing?We are not yet worthy. He ignores us as we cower in the black. Speaking in the tongue of the celestials, he guides us. The Nizari’zhi records these words as they bounce upon their scaled skin. The Avatar turns, and the mirror to the stars opens. …</p><p>also from nizira</p><p><a href="http://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/celestial-glimmer-chapter-iii/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/...er-chapter-iii/</a></p><p><a href="http://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/the-false-gods-chapter-x/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/...gods-chapter-x/</a></p><p>similar to djinn shimmering citadel with mirrors that transport. similar to shissar with planar travel and snake lower bodies, but ruled by god known as 'All Seeing', they aren't worthy to even converse with its avatar.</p>

[Mixxit]

<p>Rezekiel might know more about this since I believe there is quite a bit of lore in EQOA about a certain evil eye!</p><p>You can also witness the evil eyes meeting the shadowed men in a feerott instance called 'Meeting of the Minds' - talk to the guy outside and he tells you that they are plotting to overthrow norrath</p>