How many have you lost for the writs SoE?

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p>If now so many dislike the pvp writs why dont take them away? I know alot that has quit because the writs and that is kinda sad. And how many more is going to quit? Feels like Eq2 is going to die with AoC and Warhammer.</p><p> Yes there is more group pvp but how many mor ganking groups did we get? And raids? </p><p>I can say that I have been ganked alot when trying to quest if it´s a solo player I can figth back if it´s a group I die and moast of the time it´s groups.</p><p>Why take the body drop back? Or keep the writs with 10Qs for 5 Tokens and put in 1 token as body drop. I have no reason to kill ppl if I dont need the class or have no writ. The pvp is much much more boring atm. </p><p>Just a tough of a weak Necromancer.</p>

[Csky]

<p>well i can guarantee you warhammer and AoC wont reward people for killing lesser targets while running in numbers as if they each accomplished something challenging.....so that puts either one of them WAY above this game for PVP in my book.</p><p>i wasnt interested in either game untill the writs were introduced..but now im looking forward to them</p>

[zorros]

<cite>Csky wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well i can guarantee you warhammer and AoC wont reward people for killing lesser targets while running in numbers as if they each accomplished something challenging.....so that puts either one of them WAY above this game for PVP in my book.</p><p>i wasnt interested in either game untill the writs were introduced..but now im looking forward to them</p></blockquote>Both games are in closed beta so unless you are playing both games how an earth do you know what they will do. AoC had blood money in it now they are not sure if its going to be ingame now. If the devs dont know whats going to be in game at launch i'm sure as hell sure you don't know either.

[Bloodfa]

Oooooh, I already see a couple of up-sides to AoC coming out. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bozidar]

<cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oooooh, I already see a couple of up-sides to AoC coming out. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>rofl... dont need beta to tell me that!! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[zorros]

<cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oooooh, I already see a couple of up-sides to AoC coming out. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>AoC looks awesome and i cant wait. Proper pvp battles i just hope they spend abit of money on a good server.

[Sheissam]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oooooh, I already see a couple of up-sides to AoC coming out. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>rofl... dont need beta to tell me that!! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>You guys are funny.  Have fun trying out the new games.  Grass is always greener.  I rofl at people who do nothing but complain about this game, like they aren't going to have a million more things to complain about when a new game gets released.</p><p>Balancing issues:  how long has eq2 been out and they are STILL attempting to balance the classes.  Its not only classes that are going to need big time balancing, but crap like horse formations and catapults and stuff like that.  I can see the posts now:  how can I quest when these lvl 5 jerks stand behind a catapult all day blah blah blah.  Or whatever its gonna be.</p><p>New games follow the same happiness curve that everything in life does:  at first it will be the best MMO ever.  So much fun, you'll never have more fun in your life, wow this game is great.  Then the bottom falls out which is when the first mass of people will return to eq2 or WoW:  the bugs, the exploits, the imbalances and the timesinks will rear their ugly heads and they will trump the novelty the game first gave.  Those that stick it out through the proliferation of problems will see the major problems fixed, but some of the lesser ones will remain and people will find themselves complaining to the devs just like now.</p><p>They can beta test those games all they want.  Name your favorite exploiters in game now.  You know they are all going to be there release day, plus all the other "pro-gamers" that come out of the woodwork who do nothing but jump to early advantages and exploit and grief all day.  Have fun, I'll keep immunity warm for you.</p><p>--Oxec, worst Ranger on Nagafen</p>

[Hummelch]

<p>Are you one of those Sony fanboys that is scared that his carebear game is going to die when the last few players are heading onto new adventures? Leave that business to the players themself.</p><p>Its 100 % sonys own fault for the massive failure they call a pvp server.</p>

[Legion2024]

<p >You guys are <insert rude word here> I hope all the wow kids leave I  really do As for this game dieing lol now that is funny, second this is a pvp server you will die and if you cant handle it well this is not the server for you simple. And yes watch the exploiters leave this game to go exploit the other 2 </p> <p >I for one cant wait till the other 2 are out.</p><p > </p>

[Csky]

<p>"Both games are in closed beta so unless you are playing both games how an earth do you know what they will do. AoC had blood money in it now they are not sure if its going to be ingame now. If the devs dont know whats going to be in game at launch i'm sure as hell sure you don't know either."</p><p> ********************************************* ***</p><p>because ive dealt with one company for over 5 years and i KNOW they dont reward people for winning in numbers..they have to split the reward depending on numbers used to win..it isnt the style of ANY PVP game ANYWHERE there is (except eq2) to reward people for using numbers over skill without a penalty for numbers as in splitting the reward</p><p>im actually embarrased to play this game now BECAUSE of the reward system and untill something new comes out will probably either go back to WoW where at least people have to fight equal numbers and same levels for thier reward,  or DAoC where people are rewarded in more skill based and have to split the reward for numbers used</p>

[Sightless]

<cite>Csky wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>"Both games are in closed beta so unless you are playing both games how an earth do you know what they will do. AoC had blood money in it now they are not sure if its going to be ingame now. If the devs dont know whats going to be in game at launch i'm sure as hell sure you don't know either."</p><p> ********************************************* ***</p><p>because ive dealt with one company for over 5 years and i KNOW they dont reward people for winning in numbers..they have to split the reward depending on numbers used to win..it isnt the style of ANY PVP game ANYWHERE there is (except eq2) to reward people for using numbers over skill without a penalty for numbers as in splitting the reward</p><p>im actually embarrased to play this game now BECAUSE of the reward system and untill something new comes out will probably either go back to WoW where at least people have to fight equal numbers and same levels for thier reward,  or DAoC where people are rewarded in more skill based and have to split the reward for numbers used</p></blockquote><p>Right, there was NO gank groups in Dark Age of Camelot. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>I got more rewards in Dark Age of Camelot on defending or taking relics than I did defending mile walls, or running in gank groups. I won't even get into why you're wrong because we're not playing Dark Age of Camelot.</p>

[Sigunn]

<p>I agree with OP here... </p><p>I like PvP, if it wasnt for the added danger I would probably have quit EQ2 long ago. But lately there is not added danger for me when I play. It is just grief.</p><p>Sokokars camped. Druid rings camped. Roaming gank groups dropping from the sokokars to kill us yet again, recent list or not. And the lag has gotten to the point where I have been killed before the enemy even renders on my screen more times than I wish to remember. </p><p>And when I finally met someone 1v1 last night (got separated from my duo partner), he ran from me and got his precious group - because why would anyone want to fight a solo coercer without pet? Oh no, those big nukes could dent my armor! LOL. I am not even a good pvp coercer. No need to be afraid of me. Just fight me next time instead of rolling over me with a group, ok? You'll win anyway.</p>

[Csky]

<p>sightless says</p><p>Right, there was NO gank groups in Dark Age of Camelot. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>I got more rewards in Dark Age of Camelot on defending or taking relics than I did defending mile walls, or running in gank groups. I won't even get into why you're wrong because we're not playing Dark Age of Camelot.</p><p> ************************************</p><p>ther gank groups in DAoC got 200- 300 RPs per kill...the people who soloed a target in DAoC got 2k RPs per kill</p><p>zerging someone with more than a group gives like 10 RPs a kill</p><p>taking relics doesnt give you RPs..the people you kill do,  and the realm points are split according to the numbers used</p><p>with EQ system 100 people would get 2k RPs EACH for killing one solo target ...and i [Removed for Content] that you guys see nothing wrong with it because your gettting free token at the expense of something that doesnt even resemble real PVP</p><p>this PVP is an embarrasement</p>

[Unfeter]

<p>I remember the days when Vanguard was going to destroy this game.  I remember the days when LOTRO was going to destroy this game.  I remember the days... etc ad infinitum.</p>

[Faenril]

<cite>Guld_Ulrish wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If now so many dislike the pvp writs why dont take them away? I know alot that has quit because the writs and that is kinda sad. And how many more is going to quit? Feels like Eq2 is going to die with AoC and Warhammer.</p><p> Yes there is more group pvp but how many mor ganking groups did we get? And raids? </p><p>I can say that I have been ganked alot when trying to quest if it´s a solo player I can figth back if it´s a group I die and moast of the time it´s groups.</p><p>Why take the body drop back? Or keep the writs with 10Qs for 5 Tokens and put in 1 token as body drop. I have no reason to kill ppl if I dont need the class or have no writ. The pvp is much much more boring atm. </p><p>Just a tough of a weak Necromancer.</p></blockquote>The problem with the writ system is that it is completely one sided now.The more you are the better, regardless of actual numbers.Currently getting out solo is utterly pointless:If you are not a track + evac class, you are just walking meat.If you are a tracker, the only targets you get are the other trackers out, or the occasionnal poor guy still leveling ( or a crazy necro /wave Guld :p ), and you have to deal with roaming groups.I think one possible fix/improvement would be to keep the writs as they are, but reintroduce body drops ON TOP of that.The reason: groups/raids still have their incentive for grouping, they still make a good token turnover thanks to the writs, while body drops are not a significant part of their token income. Remember this was supposedly the intended goal of the writs in the first place: encourage grouping.On the other hand solos are rewarded for their playstyle because they get all body dropped tokens. This somehow compensates the fact that they complete the writs much slower, and that they expose themselves to much higher risks.Since both systems have their pros and cons, why not take the union of both ? Would be a win-win situation IMO.

[Unfeter]

<cite>Faerie@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Guld_Ulrish wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If now so many dislike the pvp writs why dont take them away? I know alot that has quit because the writs and that is kinda sad. And how many more is going to quit? Feels like Eq2 is going to die with AoC and Warhammer.</p><p> Yes there is more group pvp but how many mor ganking groups did we get? And raids? </p><p>I can say that I have been ganked alot when trying to quest if it´s a solo player I can figth back if it´s a group I die and moast of the time it´s groups.</p><p>Why take the body drop back? Or keep the writs with 10Qs for 5 Tokens and put in 1 token as body drop. I have no reason to kill ppl if I dont need the class or have no writ. The pvp is much much more boring atm. </p><p>Just a tough of a weak Necromancer.</p></blockquote>The problem with the writ system is that it is completely one sided now.The more you are the better, regardless of actual numbers.Currently getting out solo is utterly pointless:If you are not a track + evac class, you are just walking meat.If you are a tracker, the only targets you get are the other trackers out, or the occasionnal poor guy still leveling ( or a crazy necro /wave Guld :p ), and you have to deal with roaming groups.</blockquote><p>This simply isnt true.</p><p>Im a level 80 conjuror, and yesterday I went out solo to kunark for a few hours.  In that time I racked up a kill streak of 21 which im hoping to expand tonight, as well as completing 4 writs.. all solo.  Yes I did kill scouts, but I also killed, warlocks, wizards, coercers, bruisers, Sk's, wardens, temps etc..  Before you ask, I will answer now,  I killed evens, blues and greens.. and the occasional grey that tried to run past.</p><p>I may be walking meat as im not a tracker/evac type, but you have to work to get this hide.</p>

[Faenril]

Well, gratz on your solo success <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> May I ask you at what time you got out hunting ? Since we are on the same server, the timezone must be different... Oh and are temps templars ? Because if you found a solo (exiled) templar in the wild, I'm impressed <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ...

[Bloodfa]

<p>Aw, man, you guys missed the point of my joke ... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>It was that <i>Csky's</i> looking forward to it coming out.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </p>

[Dracot]

<cite>Itscrackerjack@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Csky wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well i can guarantee you warhammer and AoC wont reward people for killing lesser targets while running in numbers as if they each accomplished something challenging.....so that puts either one of them WAY above this game for PVP in my book.</p><p>i wasnt interested in either game untill the writs were introduced..but now im looking forward to them</p></blockquote>Both games are in closed beta so unless you are playing both games how an earth do you know what they will do. AoC had blood money in it now they are not sure if its going to be ingame now. If the devs dont know whats going to be in game at launch i'm sure as hell sure you don't know either.</blockquote>You also forget that people in the industry do play games. Closed beta = NDA, employees of titles company = NDA. I assure you 100% there are members of the gaming community that creates these titles playing competition titles, to try to rise above and create a better product. Unless you work for the company your refering to, you yourself have no way of saying if anyone on this forums knows something or not.

[Dracot]

<cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Are you one of those Sony fanboys that is scared that his carebear game is going to die when the last few players are heading onto new adventures? Leave that business to the players themself.</p><p>Its 100 % sonys own fault for the massive failure they call a pvp server.</p></blockquote>Whats even worse is eq2 isn't the first game SOE has ruined with broken pvp. Trends like this won't guarantee another successful title, it won't 100% kill one, but competition learns from your mistakes everytime you make one.

[Dracot]

<cite>Myrddin@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I remember the days when Vanguard was going to destroy this game.  I remember the days when LOTRO was going to destroy this game.  I remember the days... etc ad infinitum.</p></blockquote>I also remember SONY taking over the project and it failing miserably. Your point is wrong on SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many lvl's.

[Cmos]

<p>Ya know what's really funny? </p><p>That the OP (and several others apparently) think that Eq2 revolves around PvP. Sometimes you pvp guys crack me up! rofl!</p>

[Hummelch]

<cite>Cmos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ya know what's really funny? </p><p>That the OP (and several others apparently) think that Eq2 revolves around PvP. Sometimes you pvp guys crack me up! rofl!</p></blockquote><p>So are you saying you PvE'rs are happy with the state of the game? Broken raid content, incredible lag spikes and crashes, broken itemization?</p><p>The game is heading downwards and the PvP servers are just the beginning.</p>

[Cmos]

<cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cmos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ya know what's really funny? </p><p>That the OP (and several others apparently) think that Eq2 revolves around PvP. Sometimes you pvp guys crack me up! rofl!</p></blockquote><p>So are you saying you PvE'rs are happy with the state of the game? Broken raid content, incredible lag spikes and crashes, broken itemization?</p><p>The game is heading downwards and the PvP servers are just the beginning.</p></blockquote><p>No...</p><p>I'm saying you PvP guys crack me up... there's no in between the lines here... </p><p>...let me try again, </p><p><b><u><span style="font-size: medium;">You PvP guys crack me up sometimes.</span></u></b></p>

[Durlinn]

<cite>Dracot72 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Myrddin@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I remember the days when Vanguard was going to destroy this game.  I remember the days when LOTRO was going to destroy this game.  I remember the days... etc ad infinitum.</p></blockquote>I also remember SONY taking over the project and it failing miserably. Your point is wrong on SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many lvl's.</blockquote> Guess what smart guy? Its you who are sooooooooo wrong. Sony taking over Vanguard was a salvage job. They had absolutley nothing to do with the shape of Vanguard. Maybe you should look into things before acting so stupidly superior. And yes, the same thing gets said about every new MMO that comes out. LOTR and Vanguard had the same whiners threatening to leave because these were going to be the new gen MMOs. Time to move on troll.

[Unfeter]

<cite>Faerie@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, gratz on your solo success <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15">May I ask you at what time you got out hunting ? Since we are on the same server, the timezone must be different...Oh and are temps templars ? Because if you found a solo (exiled) templar in the wild, I'm impressed <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> ...</blockquote><p>Im on GMT and usually log in after work about 18:00.</p><p>Yeah it was a templar, who wasnt solo, but was duoing with a tank type.  Shhhhh between you and me though I think the temp was afk.  I sicced all my pets including dumbfires and communion with the added bonus of dots on the temp, and he never bothered to defend himself.  The tank was just easy meat when the healer went down.  I dont recall the names, ill check my logs, but they were both 80's duoing in JW at Howling.  A conjy taking 2 out in one fight you say with a gasp?  The best form of defense if offense in my book <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />  (However, that doesnt always work heheh)</p>

[Faenril]

<cite>Myrddin@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Faerie@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, gratz on your solo success <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15">May I ask you at what time you got out hunting ? Since we are on the same server, the timezone must be different...Oh and are temps templars ? Because if you found a solo (exiled) templar in the wild, I'm impressed <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> ...</blockquote><p>Im on GMT and usually log in after work about 18:00.</p><p>Yeah it was a templar, who wasnt solo, but was duoing with a tank type.  Shhhhh between you and me though I think the temp was afk.  I sicced all my pets including dumbfires and communion with the added bonus of dots on the temp, and he never bothered to defend himself.  The tank was just easy meat when the healer went down.  I dont recall the names, ill check my logs, but they were both 80's duoing in JW at Howling.  A conjy taking 2 out in one fight you say with a gasp?  The best form of defense if offense in my book <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" width="15" height="15" />  (However, that doesnt always work heheh)</p></blockquote>Well yesterday when I logged on there were solos and small groups here and there in ROK. So maybe it's just a matter of luck, being at the right place at the right time... And you are right regarding offense <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Dracot]

<cite>Gunthir@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dracot72 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Myrddin@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I remember the days when Vanguard was going to destroy this game.  I remember the days when LOTRO was going to destroy this game.  I remember the days... etc ad infinitum.</p></blockquote>I also remember SONY taking over the project and it failing miserably. Your point is wrong on SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many lvl's.</blockquote> Guess what smart guy? Its you who are sooooooooo wrong. Sony taking over Vanguard was a salvage job. They had absolutley nothing to do with the shape of Vanguard. Maybe you should look into things before acting so stupidly superior. And yes, the same thing gets said about every new MMO that comes out. LOTR and Vanguard had the same whiners threatening to leave because these were going to be the new gen MMOs. Time to move on troll.</blockquote>Sony took over SWG, sony took over MAtrix Online, Sony took over everquest, sony took over vanguard.  ALL titles listed failure in pvp, i am 100% correct, nice try though. As for your assumption on vanguard.  The game was failing and the financial backing was tired and was pulling out, sony took over and released another broken product. Don't assume you know the buisness unless you have all your facts in order.  Any game in production requires distribution.  If the money isn't coming in, it won't get finished, noone works for free.  The game was suffereing massive issues and the backing knew it. Sony, being generous as usual took over the financiing and released another broken game.

[Roald]

<cite>Cmos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hummelchen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cmos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ya know what's really funny? </p><p>That the OP (and several others apparently) think that Eq2 revolves around PvP. Sometimes you pvp guys crack me up! rofl!</p></blockquote><p>So are you saying you PvE'rs are happy with the state of the game? Broken raid content, incredible lag spikes and crashes, broken itemization?</p><p>The game is heading downwards and the PvP servers are just the beginning.</p></blockquote><p>No...</p><p>I'm saying you PvP guys crack me up... there's no in between the lines here... </p><p>...let me try again, </p><p><b><u><span style="font-size: medium;">You PvP guys crack me up sometimes.</span></u></b></p></blockquote> Grats, you guys kill internet dragons so you can go AFK and look cool to all the other bluebies. While you guys hold hands and take turns pulling contesteds, we [Removed for Content] fight over it, like it should be. You PvE guys REALLY crack me up. Always.

[Csky]

<p>there isnt anything wrong with the PVE aspect of this game, the PVE in this game is pretty awesome and playable for all playstyles</p><p> the PVP aspect is a joke.. it would be like people walking out of thier city in a zerg of 15 people and all killing common gnolls outside the gates for experience for everyone in comparison</p>

[Bloodfa]

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

[Jacquotte]

<cite>Csky wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>there isnt anything wrong with the PVE aspect of this game, the PVE in this game is pretty awesome and playable for all playstyles</p><p> the PVP aspect is a joke.. it would be like people walking out of thier city in a zerg of 15 people and all killing common gnolls outside the gates for experience for everyone in comparison</p></blockquote><p>/leave then</p><p>instead of pestering the pvp-forums all day long</p>

[Cmos]

<p>Does it really matter? I mean it's the begginning of the end right? It's starting on the PvP servers, right? The game is dying, right? So what's the point? I mean why bother even posting? Why bother logging in everyday? It's over, cancel your accounts and move on... </p><p>Seriously c'mon people, the devs put the tools there and you guys exploit them. Then you come here and complain about it, staking claims that EQ2 is dying, that you see the beggining of the end, and it's all happening on the PvP servers... which were an afterthought mind you, added to the game well after release...<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Guld_Ulrish]

Cosmos we are talking about the pvp not the freking PvE we dont care about the PvE cause we play PvP. If the pvp is dead the Server is dead.

[Cmos]

<p>I'm sorry, I must of misunderstood you when you said: </p><p>"I know alot that has quit because the writs and that is kinda sad. And how many more is going to quit? Feels like Eq2 is going to die with AoC and Warhammer."</p><p>...my appologies <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Bloodfa]

I think gist of it is ... we're talking PvP.  The only ones actively talking about "Oooooh, can't wait for a new PvP fantasy game to come out so we can play that instead" are the players on the PvP servers.  I doubt there's a large number of PvE'ers looking to suddenly drop the game in favor of a new PvP game.  See, PvP players don't go back to PvE when they quit PvP.  They quit the game completely, for the most part.  That's why there's the Chicken Little Syndrome.  PvPers could care less if PvE servers continue for another 8 years; it's a different game altogether.  If EQ2 PvP dies, for us, EQ2 is dead.  The PvE aspect, although great in and of itself, is simply not interesting enough to warrant going back.  Not after you've gotten accustomed to fighting mobs that are unpredicatable and not following the same script they did 3,975 times in a row.  Kind of why a lot of PvPers are less inclined to raid.