LU 44 test preview

[Madbiker]

<p> I <3 the people @ SOE.  </p><p>LU 44 set bonuses look great, I am very very happy with the changes, everything makes a lot of sense I just wish pallys had a bonus to avoidance like say on the BP.</p><p> Keep up the great work!!!  </p>

[Tames]

Link?

[Tames]

<p><a href="http://www.eq2flames.com/dev-tracker-official-eq2-forums/22851-gnobrin-test-update-notes-friday-march-21st-2008-a.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.eq2flames.com/dev-tracke...1st-2008-a.html</a></p><p>Link for details, above. No fix for Epic Weapon, no changes in DA or DF.</p><p>There have been changes in VP armour but dont know where SOE has posted it. The changes are positive so thats something. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>They may do something about the Epic, but no one can tell because they arent telling us anything <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[motogp]

<cite>Tamesan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.eq2flames.com/dev-tracker-official-eq2-forums/22851-gnobrin-test-update-notes-friday-march-21st-2008-a.html" target="_blank">http://www.eq2flames.com/dev-tracke...1st-2008-a.html</a></p><p>Link for details, above. No fix for Epic Weapon, no changes in DA or DF.</p><p>There have been changes in VP armour but dont know where SOE has posted it. The changes are positive so thats something. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>They may do something about the Epic, but no one can tell because they arent telling us anything <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>"There will be no change to the paladin Epic-Mythical  The weapon is where we like it to be".  So glad i have 4 lvl 80 toons. Bye bye pally.

[Tames]

<cite>motogpgp wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tamesan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.eq2flames.com/dev-tracker-official-eq2-forums/22851-gnobrin-test-update-notes-friday-march-21st-2008-a.html" target="_blank">http://www.eq2flames.com/dev-tracke...1st-2008-a.html</a></p><p>Link for details, above. No fix for Epic Weapon, no changes in DA or DF.</p><p>There have been changes in VP armour but dont know where SOE has posted it. The changes are positive so thats something. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>They may do something about the Epic, but no one can tell because they arent telling us anything <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>"There will be no change to the paladin Epic-Mythical  The weapon is where we like it to be".  So glad i have 4 lvl 80 toons. Bye bye pally. - <b>motogpgp</b> </blockquote>Are you trolling? Where did you see this *&^% quote? Link it if it exists.

[motogp]

Are you trolling? Where did you see this *&^% quote? Link it if it exists.       I was Told that information. I dont have a link sorry. Its not proof. But we all know there will not be a change to the Pally Epic. If there were a change it would seem as we have power over soe and they cant allow that.

[Tames]

<p>Oh I see, conjecture then...</p><p>They have already changed the VP gear due to feedback, while its appalling that these problems occurred in the first place, they are in the process of being fixed. One can only hope that the Epic changes will be in GU44 also, as yet still no official word on anything <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Demoley]

it was stated they are working on epics and modifying them, they arent gonna do one at a time, they are gonna do all them as awhole, be patient.

[Tames]

<p>Goodo, so there has been an official statement on this then? Or is this based on the 'off the cuff' comment made when they got sprung by the question on the podcast?</p><p>The extreme lack of communication on these issues is one of the problems with the whole process. It leads to frustration and cynicism.</p><p>I am still waiting to use my Fabled epic because the Soulfire Gladius tanks better ie the previous expansions quest weapon is better for tanking than the current expansions. Of course if you dont consider us tanks then its all fine.</p><p>Given the lack of any official confirmation on SOE forums I greatly fear that we will get a "All epics will be dealt with at once in GU48, Paladins will recieve extra healing bonuses on their weapon in line with our vision for the class, thank you for your participation".</p>

[motogp]

Be patient? One can be patient and wait for 6 months. Patients wont make the pally epic any better. The point is, Let us know what is planed for the pally epic. ie, so we know if we need to roll a new toon or not. To be blunt, It needs to be fixed sooner than later. Paladins are loosing ground  to that "other tank" real fast. They are getting better and better at what they do best "Got your back"  self ae immunity as an Off tank!!? . We are falling off the map. The comment that fyerflite guy made is probly the way everyone at soe sees paladins. "not a true MT'. I can dig that. Just say it in the offical Forums plz. And ill then know what i must do.  I wonder what DEV plays a Guard?    /wish he played a pally alt.    Have a nice day.

[Seidhkona]

<cite>motogpgp wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let us know what is planed for the pally epic. ie, so we know if we need to roll a new toon or not.</blockquote>I don't read the paladin forums often just because of stupid negative BS like this.  Every comment I've seen you post motogpgp is a whine or a kvetch.My vote - yes, YOU should re-roll. If you want an easy button, play some other class. Paladins are a challenge. But some of us manage to work around the challenges JUST FINE. Spend less time whining and more time being constructive and figuring out what YOU need to do different to succeed, or get another toon and quit just whining..

[Erithorn]

<cite>Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>motogpgp wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let us know what is planed for the pally epic. ie, so we know if we need to roll a new toon or not.</blockquote>I don't read the paladin forums often just because of stupid negative BS like this.  Every comment I've seen you post motogpgp is a whine or a kvetch.My vote - yes, YOU should re-roll. If you want an easy button, play some other class. Paladins are a challenge. But some of us manage to work around the challenges JUST FINE. Spend less time whining and more time being constructive and figuring out what YOU need to do different to succeed, or get another toon and quit just whining..</blockquote><p>/em   Cheers Sigrdrifa 's comments !  Huzzah !</p><p>Asarum</p><p>Paladin of 58 Campaigns</p>

[Hoppit]

<cite>Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>motogpgp wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let us know what is planed for the pally epic. ie, so we know if we need to roll a new toon or not.</blockquote>Paladins are a challenge. But some of us manage to work around the challenges JUST FINE. Spend less time whining and more time being constructive and figuring out what YOU need to do different to succeed...[edited]</blockquote><p>I'm interested in some of the comments made, suggesting that a Paladin cannot tank because Guardians (and let's face it, that's the name of the Elephant in this forum) can tank better. I've heard this so many times, it makes me wonder how well a skilled/geared Pally does in raids.</p><p>Which leads me to my question for you. You talk about managing to work around the challenges, and I'm curious how well you have seen Pallies do in raid situations. I'm level 40 now, but rising fast and have raided alot in EQLive and WoW, and I really want to know what the lay of the land is before I hit 80. Thanks for your attention and I look forward to your answer.</p>

[Tames]

<p>There are several problems in getting a Raiding tank spot for a Pally. Paladins can tank just about anything, that doesn't mean you will be allowed to, or are the best option in all encounters. Paladins are very versitile and are probably IMOP the best Group tanks, we can make poorly balanced groups work. This versatility makes being a Paladin fun and challenging for me. Raid Tanking is a much narrower niche.</p><p>The cookie cutter solution for most raid leaders is Guardian MT, Berserker OT as far as I have seen and I am happy to be told that's different on other servers. These two tank classes have run successful "Pally's are [Removed for Content]" (evil is cool, good is weak) campaigns. There is a lot of competition for tank slots on raids and you don't normally see more than 3 tanks in a 24 person raid, often just 2.</p><p>People are used to Guardians and Berserkers, they are far more numerous for a start. They don't see what Pally's can do very often and in raids you may never be given the chance. I held agro on both the non mezzed Sisters in ME last night and my group was amazed, they were used to having an off tank to stop the second sister from offing the chanter on the mez, the player who had a Guardian alt thought it was an exploit.</p><p>When the raid is set up to support a Guardian MT its what they are used to so they stick with that when theres a vacancy. Its easier to find competant raiding Guardians.</p><p>Guardians find it easier to survive the top end mobs, Paladins can and do tank them but its harder. We are more likely to fit the OT slot.</p><p>I have made macros for all my buffs explaining what they do as no one thought I brought anything to the group/raid extra to standard tank stuff, apart from a capacity to patch heal.</p><p>Lack of Raid tanking experience (apart from DPS/healing role which isn't really tanking) means that when you are given a chance you may not do as well as the tanks they are used to and you may not get a second chance. ‘Family' raiding Guilds are far more forgiving and you see many Paladins in them, but they don't do the hardcore stuff. I am the only Paladin in my VP raiding Guild and am regarded as experimental, they didn't have one before me, I don't get on every raid by a long shot. </p><p>Of course if you don't raid and much as the Guards and Zerks, your gear isn't as good and this further compounds the issue.</p><p>I had hoped that people missing lots on Orange mobs might give me an edge with the Wis line AA but that's stuffed as increases in skills dont affect hit % in VP. Our "Oh Sh*t" DA and DF aren't any good either which hurts us as, the other tanks have buffs that work.</p>