Freeport needs some luv

[garretth]

<p>The rich and wealthy citizens of Northern Freeport are petitioning their Lord to put the base citizens of Freeport to work on neighborhood beautification.  </p><p>Evil is covetous of beauty and seeks to own it.  </p><p>Since the rains have come, the elite citizens of Freeport do not understand why the grass is not turning red and the trees are not sprouting purple leaves.  </p><p>So many of our citizens have left the city, we implore you, Lord, to cast your evil eye on our fair city so that our evil, malicious citizenry will find their way home.</p>

[Wildmage]

<cite>garretth wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The rich and wealthy citizens of Northern Freeport are petitioning their Lord to put the base citizens of Freeport to work on neighborhood beautification.  </p><p>Evil is covetous of beauty and seeks to own it.  </p><p>Since the rains have come, the elite citizens of Freeport do not understand why the grass is not turning red and the trees are not sprouting purple leaves.  </p><p>So many of our citizens have left the city, we implore you, Lord, to cast your evil eye on our fair city so that our evil, malicious citizenry will find their way home.</p></blockquote>red grass and purple leaves sounds tacky, the color of the grass of evil is brown and the trees have the hangman's noose for leaves.

[Cusashorn]

Lucan could care less about urban renewal. Evil citizens should live in slum-like conditions. It hardens thier will and hatred towards others.

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">I think regular leaves and grass will be fine, and I disagree with you Cusa, The Overlord should want to reward the loyal who work their way up in society. As to keep them from moving elsewhere even to other evil cities.Besides it would give debtor-inmates something to work off their tax debt.</span>

[Cusashorn]

Meh. You guys should just be grateful that that pile of crap that was sitting right out in the middle of that one alleyway in West Freeport in EQlive isn't around anymore.

[Syna]

Leaves and grass? Noooooooo! lol. I'm evil, I don't want purple leaves and red grass. The dark streets are beautiful. Lord Lucan, I am loyal to the very end, I'm going nowhere, and there are many like me. In the name of all that is holy, Lord, do not give us purple leaves and red grass. lol.

[Josgar]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Meh. You guys should just be grateful that that pile of crap that was sitting right out in the middle of that one alleyway in West Freeport in EQlive isn't around anymore.</blockquote>It got petrified and they carved lucan's statue out of it.

[Syna]

<cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Meh. You guys should just be grateful that that pile of crap that was sitting right out in the middle of that one alleyway in West Freeport in EQlive isn't around anymore.</blockquote>It got petrified and they carved lucan's statue out of it.</blockquote>[Removed for Content]

[Aya Lin]

<cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Meh. You guys should just be grateful that that pile of crap that was sitting right out in the middle of that one alleyway in West Freeport in EQlive isn't around anymore.</blockquote>It got petrified and they carved lucan's statue out of it.</blockquote>*makes a note in her journal to report this outrage to the Overlord*

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">"Evil" does not have to mean ugly and run-down. also I'm glad at least that most of the people don't say "It's a good day for evil to thrive (Close enough)" I mean that was SOOOO lame, even my DE Shadowknight thought that!!!</span>

[Dreyco]

I think Freeport's atmosphere is fitting, and I rather like it, especially after being away from it and in Disneyland for so long <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />There are different styles of Evil already being portrayed.  There's the super militarized and power hungry evil that is Freeport.  And there's the dark dark super darkness evil of Neriak.The art is all beautiful anywho <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">Not really The Freeport evil was so lame that I made a hotkey that laughed at the NPC and called him/her a poser.</span>

[Sylaz]

If you really want to improve the place, kick Lucan to the curb and put the Iksar in charge. Canals would make it a much better place...On second thought, scratch that, just let all the Iksar start their own city in Kunark, where we belong.

[TheLopper]

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think Freeport's atmosphere is fitting, and I rather like it, especially after being away from it and in Disneyland for so long <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />There are different styles of Evil already being portrayed.  There's the super militarized and power hungry evil that is Freeport.  And there's the dark dark super darkness evil of Neriak.The art is all beautiful anywho <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Neriak is a perfectl example.</p><p>It's evil and beautiful.  Where as Freeport is just a run-down, slum-city.Evil isn't ugly, and good isn't pretty.</p>

[Dreyco]

You're only.... half right.Evil can certainly be ugly <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Let's look at Mordor, from Lord of the Rings.A lot of Evil is portrayed as being slummy, dilapidated, etc.  That's the way that Freeport is supposed to be.And I rather like it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[DamianTV]

<p>Simple solution.  Move to Qeynos.</p><p>Naa, thats rhetorical.  I do agree that just because its an "evil" city doesnt mean it should be dirty and slummy.  Now the citizens of Freeport dont exactly think of themselves as "evil", as good and evil is really a matter of perspective.  They see Qeynos as goodie goodie two shoes, two bit, two faced liars that act one way to fulfil their own selfish desires.  Freeportians are honest.  Give me your money because Im stronger than you and I deserve it.  We have no room for the weak.  Still doesnt mean the whole city should be slummy.  Maybe dark and gothic sure, doesnt mean the whole city should be a slum.  </p><p>Look at New Yorkers.  They dont take crap from anyone.  Screw you.  Yeah screw you too.  Jerkoff.  R-[Removed for Content].  So can I have the special?  Comin right up.  Thanks u big steaming load of dog crap.  No problem [Removed for Content] and dont come back.  Okay, see you tomorrow.  Attitude doesnt mean filth and squalor.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<blockquote><p>Now the citizens of Freeport dont exactly think of themselves as "evil", as good and evil is really a matter of perspective.  They see Qeynos as goodie goodie two shoes, two bit, two faced liars that act one way to fulfil their own selfish desires.  Freeportians are honest.  Give me your money because Im stronger than you and I deserve it.  We have no room for the weak.  Still doesnt mean the whole city should be slummy.  Maybe dark and gothic sure, doesnt mean the whole city should be a slum.  </p><p>Look at New Yorkers.  They dont take crap from anyone.  Screw you.  Yeah screw you too.  Jerkoff.  R-[I cannot control my vocabulary].  So can I have the special?  Comin right up.  Thanks u big steaming load of dog crap.  No problem [Removed for Content] and dont come back.  Okay, see you tomorrow.  Attitude doesnt mean filth and squalor.</p></blockquote><p>Of course they recognize that they're evil. There are citizens that walk around with a smile on thier face that say "It's a good day for evil to thrive!"</p>

[roces9]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Of course they recognize that they're evil. There are citizens that walk around with a smile on thier face that say "It's a good day for evil to thrive!"</p></blockquote>Again, evil is a relative term. What about the Druids living in Freeport? They're the sworn protectors of nature and for whatever reasons they live in a ruthless and cutthroat metropolis. Does this mean that they want to see run-down greys and browns all the time?And as to your reference to the citizens, NPCs are not the only citizens in Freeport. Players vastly outnumber the NPCs and should be considered citizens as well. Just because you live in Freeport does not me you sit in an armchair, bridging your fingers, planning a way to squish kitties all day. Just because evil can be a grey area, does not mean that Freeport has to be one.

[Aenielle]

The way Freeport is designed now it completly discards the entire purpose of being ruthlessly ambitious backstabing SoB that will sell out his own grandmother just to get ahead in the world.I mean, what is the point in climbing the social ladders of evil if your surroundings will barely change from the dirty slums you start in to the dirty worn out and ugly "super expensive" neighbourhoods".Yes, Freeport is not a socialy aware city, and the slums should remain ugly and dirty as sin, but as you climb up in status and wealth there should be a HUUUUGE improvement in your living enviroment.I mean what is the point of being the Lord or a Baron with 500 plat sitting in your bank if all that backstabbing, cheating, lying and murder didnt improve your lifestyle one bit?Come on, get real? Do the criminal bosses in SA still live in the dirty slums they started their criminal career in, or do they live la vida loca in grand manssions before they (hopefully) get shipped to jail.Freeport is just a very poorly thought out concept in wich dirt and uglyness represents all evil, be it poor and weak or strong and rich...<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Wildmage]

its simple you want pretty evil theres a place for that its called neriak, move there.   You want to live under the thumb of an undying lich lord who doesn't give a flip about the living's petty care as and wants as long as things run smoothly move to freeport.

[Grimlux]

<cite>garretth wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The rich and wealthy citizens of Northern Freeport are petitioning their Lord to put the base citizens of Freeport to work on neighborhood beautification.  </p><p>Evil is covetous of beauty and seeks to own it.  </p><p>Since the rains have come, the elite citizens of Freeport do not understand why the grass is not turning red and the trees are not sprouting purple leaves.  </p><p>So many of our citizens have left the city, we implore you, Lord, to cast your evil eye on our fair city so that our evil, malicious citizenry will find their way home.</p></blockquote>Why would you want to change a city that uses every shade of brown so flawlessly?

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">The "good day for evil to thrive" is just <b>sooo </b>wannabe, it got annoying <u>really fast</u>. My Shadowknight Dark Elf does not view herself as evil, she thinks of herself as doing good, as she sees it. As a Shadowknight she allows the dead to have one final battle before they toddle off to Ethernere for final reward/reincarnation/whatever. The Slums in Freeport should remain slums, <i>(Although there might be some attempts at social improvement should there be a major revamp of the Qeynosian Wards, as a form of keeping up with the Jone's)</i>My SK is thinking of Moving to Tumorous Deep not only for the windows but the atmosphere. She was never a big fan of the Neriak Queen having started her life as a Mercenary Warrior welcome in old Qeynos of all places, way back in EQ1 becoming a ShadowKnight in EQ2.</span>

[Nematod]

<cite>garretth wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Since the rains have come, the elite citizens of Freeport do not understand why the grass is not turning red and the trees are not sprouting purple leaves.  </p></blockquote><p>There's this little, shall we say, substance that we Ratongas make at our Alchemical art that will give you all the purple leaves and red grass you want...oh...and spiders, lot and lot of spiders but if you close your eyes and think really hard, these eventually go away.</p>

[Kitsune286]

I'd say it would have something to do with... pride.Freeport is a city with many races, and the Overlord, not exactly being among the living now from what I understand, doesn't care for how the city looks. The city is functional, and thats all that matters.Neriak is a little different. Them Dark Elves see themselves as infinitively better than everyone, and they make darn sure their city reflects their status over the rest of Norrath. (Who else has a functional in-city Transporter? Who?)Hope that makes some sense - typed it during lunch!

[garretth]

<cite>Fizzletop@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>The way Freeport is designed now it completly discards the entire purpose of being ruthlessly ambitious backstabing SoB that will sell out his own grandmother just to get ahead in the world.I mean, what is the point in climbing the social ladders of evil if your surroundings will barely change from the dirty slums you start in to the dirty worn out and ugly "super expensive" neighbourhoods".Yes, Freeport is not a socialy aware city, and the slums should remain ugly and dirty as sin, but as you climb up in status and wealth there should be a HUUUUGE improvement in your living enviroment.I mean what is the point of being the Lord or a Baron with 500 plat sitting in your bank if all that backstabbing, cheating, lying and murder didnt improve your lifestyle one bit?Come on, get real? Do the criminal bosses in SA still live in the dirty slums they started their criminal career in, or do they live la vida loca in grand manssions before they (hopefully) get shipped to jail.Freeport is just a very poorly thought out concept in wich dirt and uglyness represents all evil, be it poor and weak or strong and rich...<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Aha!   From one enlightened devil to another...as the greatest evil society, we should have the greatest slums to harbor the sludge of creation and the most opulent mansions to house the lieutenants of the Overlord!  We ARE the ELITE of Freeport! 

[Jacquotte]

<p>i really love the asetics and streets of freeport, but yes; the city could certainly use a little facelift</p><p>alot of the zones appear "muddy" as in unclear textures. its fine that the city has to be dirty, but there could be some things done to this i think, especially when comparing to qeynos and the suburbs there</p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Kittsune@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Neriak is a little different. Them Dark Elves see themselves as infinitively better than everyone, and they make darn sure their city reflects their status over the rest of Norrath. (Who else has a functional in-city Transporter? Who?)</blockquote>Erudin and Paineel in EQlive came up with the idea long before Neriak. They had transporter gems you just had to step on to get around from one place to another. Neriak didn't even have that in Eqlive. Erudin probably still does have teleporter gems, provided the city hasn't been outright destroyed.

[Naubeta]

I thought neriak was the camp version of evil?

[Sylaz]

<cite>garretth wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fizzletop@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>The way Freeport is designed now it completly discards the entire purpose of being ruthlessly ambitious backstabing SoB that will sell out his own grandmother just to get ahead in the world.I mean, what is the point in climbing the social ladders of evil if your surroundings will barely change from the dirty slums you start in to the dirty worn out and ugly "super expensive" neighbourhoods".Yes, Freeport is not a socialy aware city, and the slums should remain ugly and dirty as sin, but as you climb up in status and wealth there should be a HUUUUGE improvement in your living enviroment.I mean what is the point of being the Lord or a Baron with 500 plat sitting in your bank if all that backstabbing, cheating, lying and murder didnt improve your lifestyle one bit?Come on, get real? Do the criminal bosses in SA still live in the dirty slums they started their criminal career in, or do they live la vida loca in grand manssions before they (hopefully) get shipped to jail.Freeport is just a very poorly thought out concept in wich dirt and uglyness represents all evil, be it poor and weak or strong and rich...<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Aha!   From one enlightened devil to another...as the greatest evil society, we should have the greatest slums to harbor the sludge of creation and the most opulent mansions to house the lieutenants of the Overlord!  We ARE the ELITE of Freeport!  </blockquote>No, you're not. You really shouldn't flatter yourself.There's plenty of opulence in Freeport. In fact, if we're talking simply in terms of living conditions, I'd venture to say some of the best in Norrath exist within Freeport.If you ever want to see them, stand in the city and look up and Lucan's floating citadel, and know that you never will.Lucan takes care of himself, and a very select few others. Considering most player character haven't even seen him, let alone had time to find favor in his eyes, it's highly unlikely you'd get any sort of special treatment.

[Amphibia]

Freeport desperately needs a renovation. Right now it just looks like the mighty and powerful Sir Lucan can't even keep his own city in order. Evil people with some self-respect appreciate beauty, don't they? Just look at Christanos, her city is both evil and beautiful... well, except for the trolls. The Iksar of Kunark aren't shabby either, should Sir Lucan be happy about being outdone by those walking handbags? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />(It's probably not going to happen, but I think it would be awesome to see a more wealthy looking and less slum like version of Freeport.)

[Jacquotte]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Freeport desperately needs a renovation. Right now it just looks like the mighty and powerful Sir Lucan can't even keep his own city in order. Evil people with some self-respect appreciate beauty, don't they? Just look at Christanos, her city is both evil and beautiful... well, except for the trolls. The Iksar of Kunark aren't shabby either, should Sir Lucan be happy about being outdone by those walking handbags? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />(It's probably not going to happen, but I think it would be awesome to see a more wealthy looking and less slum like version of Freeport.)</blockquote><p>of course it will happen</p><p>Sir Lucan will find work for idle hands to do</p><p>it might also stop the exiling on pvp.servers /wink</p>