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Rainmare

03-21-2008, 12:15 PM

I'm not entirely sure that's the Void. we've never seen anything in the Obelisks that had tentacles and no eyes. we've seen Evil Eyes, but I think that might have been pretty clear to the ogre if it was one of those. But if it as the Void/Shadowedmen, then it looks like they let loose perhaps with something new just for the Trolls. which would make sense, with trolls being able to regenerate so quickly, and being naturally very powerful race. hard to corrupt/possess something that can take a beating as long and not tire as a Troll. Or an Ogre, for that matter.which is the other thing I find odd.We're obviously in Innothule....but where are the Ogres? Did our ogre friend not head for Oggok?Or were some of the battles he was overhearing not just trolls, but ogres as well...or did the Ogres fall long before the Trolls?Or am I way off in thinking that Grobb/Oggok were both in Innothule. Maybe Oggok was in Feerott.

ke'la

03-21-2008, 12:38 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not entirely sure that's the Void. we've never seen anything in the Obelisks that had tentacles and no eyes. we've seen Evil Eyes, but I think that might have been pretty clear to the ogre if it was one of those. But if it as the Void/Shadowedmen, then it looks like they let loose perhaps with something new just for the Trolls. which would make sense, with trolls being able to regenerate so quickly, and being naturally very powerful race. hard to corrupt/possess something that can take a beating as long and not tire as a Troll. Or an Ogre, for that matter.which is the other thing I find odd.We're obviously in Innothule....but where are the Ogres? Did our ogre friend not head for Oggok?Or were some of the battles he was overhearing not just trolls, but ogres as well...or did the Ogres fall long before the Trolls?Or am I way off in thinking that Grobb/Oggok were both in Innothule. Maybe Oggok was in Feerott.</blockquote>Accually, to me the discription of the moster that was fought was alot like the Void creatures Varasoon spawns on you in his locked off room in RoV, these same creatures show up in OoB(they are the ones that suround you with darkness, while you fight them)

Runewind

03-21-2008, 12:46 PM

Does this mean you guys are thinking about adding Guk soon? eh? eh? ~.^; That would be sweet. Anyway. Nice job!

Apocroph

03-21-2008, 02:03 PM

Interesting that we're finally starting to see some indication of what the evil eyes were doing in Guk....aside from being bag vendors, amirite! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Jindrack

03-21-2008, 02:06 PM

Something to keep in mind about this story: "Gnomeish scolars have dated the documents to some time within the heart of the Lost Age."

Rainmare

03-21-2008, 02:57 PM

the lost age was before EQ1 right? EQ1 is the Age of Turmoil, and EQ2 is the Age of Destiny...how far back is the Lost Age?

Jindrack

03-21-2008, 03:03 PM

The Age of ScaleThe Elder AgeThe Age of MonumentsThe Age of Blood The Lost AgeThe Age of Enlightenment (EQOA)The Age of Turmoil (EQ1)The Age of Destiny (EQ2)

Coniaric

03-21-2008, 03:13 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not entirely sure that's the Void. we've never seen anything in the Obelisks that had tentacles and no eyes. we've seen Evil Eyes, but I think that might have been pretty clear to the ogre if it was one of those. But if it as the Void/Shadowedmen, then it looks like they let loose perhaps with something new just for the Trolls. which would make sense, with trolls being able to regenerate so quickly, and being naturally very powerful race. hard to corrupt/possess something that can take a beating as long and not tire as a Troll. Or an Ogre, for that matter.which is the other thing I find odd.We're obviously in Innothule....but where are the Ogres? Did our ogre friend not head for Oggok?Or were some of the battles he was overhearing not just trolls, but ogres as well...or did the Ogres fall long before the Trolls?Or am I way off in thinking that Grobb/Oggok were both in Innothule. Maybe Oggok was in Feerott.</blockquote>You're correct. Guk is in Innothule Swamp ... and Oggok is in Feerrott. Present-day Oggok is in ruins, at least, it appeared to be so - possibly ever since the 2nd Rallosian War when nearly entire race of ogres was killed by the Greenmist. Or it was something else. It couldn't be the Void/Shadowmen yet, though, since the story was in the Lost Age which was before EQLive.*shrug*An Obelisk is occupying a part of the ruins in Feerrott now, with portals touching other islands.

teddyboy4

03-21-2008, 03:21 PM

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Age of ScaleThe Elder AgeThe Age of MonumentsThe Age of Blood The Lost AgeThe Age of Enlightenment (EQOA)The Age of Turmoil (EQ1)The Age of Destiny (EQ2)</blockquote>Wait a minute, I thought the Lost Age was the 500 some odd years between The Age of Turmoil (EQ) and The Age of Destiny (EQ2) when the gods had withdrawn their presence and all the cataclysms befell Norrath. That would seem to make more sense to me anyway, as there doesn't seem to be too many records or tales from that period it seems that the title The Lost Age would fit that time much better. And, if that period isn't known as The Lost Age, then what is that time known as? The Age of Turmoil seems to fit that period as well, but according to your list there, The Age of Turmoil is what the players lived in during EQlive's days. Does The Age of Turmoil include those 500 years of cataclysms when the gods withdrew their influence as well as everything that took place in EQ up to, and including PoP?That was a great story though, very well done character development and plot. I really enjoyed it.

Jindrack

03-21-2008, 03:26 PM

That would be the Age of War.I should add those ages to the list, sorry about that.The Age of ScaleThe Elder AgeThe Age of MonumentsThe Age of Blood The Lost AgeThe Age of Enlightenment (EQOA)The Age of Turmoil (EQ1)The Age of WarThe Age of CataclysmsThe Age of Destiny (EQ2)

Gnobrin

03-21-2008, 03:54 PM

Grr, it doesn't want to get linked, it seems... I'll tinker with it, and see if I can get it propped up.Lets see if <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=1618&section=News&locale=en_US" target="_blank">THIS </a>one works! Huzzah, it DOES! ~Gnobrin!

Rashaak

03-21-2008, 04:19 PM

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Age of ScaleThe Elder AgeThe Age of MonumentsThe Age of Blood The Lost AgeThe Age of Enlightenment (EQOA)The Age of Turmoil (EQ1)The Age of Destiny (EQ2)</blockquote>Wait a minute, I thought the Lost Age was the 500 some odd years between The Age of Turmoil (EQ) and The Age of Destiny (EQ2) when the gods had withdrawn their presence and all the cataclysms befell Norrath. That would seem to make more sense to me anyway, as there doesn't seem to be too many records or tales from that period it seems that the title The Lost Age would fit that time much better. And, if that period isn't known as The Lost Age, then what is that time known as? The Age of Turmoil seems to fit that period as well, but according to your list there, The Age of Turmoil is what the players lived in during EQlive's days. Does The Age of Turmoil include those 500 years of cataclysms when the gods withdrew their influence as well as everything that took place in EQ up to, and including PoP?That was a great story though, very well done character development and plot. I really enjoyed it.</blockquote>Here's a good source for <a href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">time lines</a>...it's no longer updated though..

Gukkor2

03-21-2008, 04:47 PM

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not entirely sure that's the Void. we've never seen anything in the Obelisks that had tentacles and no eyes. we've seen Evil Eyes, but I think that might have been pretty clear to the ogre if it was one of those. But if it as the Void/Shadowedmen, then it looks like they let loose perhaps with something new just for the Trolls. which would make sense, with trolls being able to regenerate so quickly, and being naturally very powerful race. hard to corrupt/possess something that can take a beating as long and not tire as a Troll. Or an Ogre, for that matter.which is the other thing I find odd.We're obviously in Innothule....but where are the Ogres? Did our ogre friend not head for Oggok?Or were some of the battles he was overhearing not just trolls, but ogres as well...or did the Ogres fall long before the Trolls?Or am I way off in thinking that Grobb/Oggok were both in Innothule. Maybe Oggok was in Feerott.</blockquote>You're correct. Guk is in Innothule Swamp ... and Oggok is in Feerrott. Present-day Oggok is in ruins, at least, it appeared to be so - possibly ever since the 2nd Rallosian War when nearly entire race of ogres was killed by the Greenmist. Or it was something else. It couldn't be the Void/Shadowmen yet, though, since the story was in the Lost Age which was before EQLive.*shrug*An Obelisk is occupying a part of the ruins in Feerrott now, with portals touching other islands.</blockquote>What makes you think EQLive was the first time the agents of the Void interfered in Norrathian affairs?

ke'la

03-21-2008, 05:20 PM

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>That would be the Age of War.I should add those ages to the list, sorry about that.The Age of ScaleThe Elder AgeThe Age of MonumentsThe Age of Blood The Lost AgeThe Age of Enlightenment (EQOA)The Age of Turmoil (EQ1)The Age of WarThe Age of CataclysmsThe Age of Destiny (EQ2)</blockquote>Correct me if I am wrong but The Age of War includes the Second Rellosian War and The War of the Fay, both of wich take place not long after the timesplit at or near the end of the Age of Turmoil, While the Age of Cataclysms includes both the Shattering of Lucian and the Rending, wich would mean the Age of Destiny started only about 15 years or so ago(dated from the moment the we where plucked out of the sea in the origanal newbe quests), with the end of the Rending, correct?

ke'la

03-21-2008, 05:27 PM

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not entirely sure that's the Void. we've never seen anything in the Obelisks that had tentacles and no eyes. we've seen Evil Eyes, but I think that might have been pretty clear to the ogre if it was one of those. But if it as the Void/Shadowedmen, then it looks like they let loose perhaps with something new just for the Trolls. which would make sense, with trolls being able to regenerate so quickly, and being naturally very powerful race. hard to corrupt/possess something that can take a beating as long and not tire as a Troll. Or an Ogre, for that matter.which is the other thing I find odd.We're obviously in Innothule....but where are the Ogres? Did our ogre friend not head for Oggok?Or were some of the battles he was overhearing not just trolls, but ogres as well...or did the Ogres fall long before the Trolls?Or am I way off in thinking that Grobb/Oggok were both in Innothule. Maybe Oggok was in Feerott.</blockquote>You're correct. Guk is in Innothule Swamp ... and Oggok is in Feerrott. Present-day Oggok is in ruins, at least, it appeared to be so - possibly ever since the 2nd Rallosian War when nearly entire race of ogres was killed by the Greenmist. Or it was something else. It couldn't be the Void/Shadowmen yet, though, since the story was in the Lost Age which was before EQLive.*shrug*An Obelisk is occupying a part of the ruins in Feerrott now, with portals touching other islands.</blockquote>What makes you think EQLive was the first time the agents of the Void interfered in Norrathian affairs?</blockquote>To me the documents point directly to Void creatures, and based on the dating of the documents that would mean that Creatures of the Void have been messing around in our affairs sence befor EQOA. Though generally behind the sceans in the shaddows. Also being that these documents date to befor the time split that means they are also part of EQlive's history, wich is odd because usually EQ2 devs and EQlive devs don't want to effect each others story development in any way.

teddyboy4

03-21-2008, 06:02 PM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not entirely sure that's the Void. we've never seen anything in the Obelisks that had tentacles and no eyes. we've seen Evil Eyes, but I think that might have been pretty clear to the ogre if it was one of those. But if it as the Void/Shadowedmen, then it looks like they let loose perhaps with something new just for the Trolls. which would make sense, with trolls being able to regenerate so quickly, and being naturally very powerful race. hard to corrupt/possess something that can take a beating as long and not tire as a Troll. Or an Ogre, for that matter.which is the other thing I find odd.We're obviously in Innothule....but where are the Ogres? Did our ogre friend not head for Oggok?Or were some of the battles he was overhearing not just trolls, but ogres as well...or did the Ogres fall long before the Trolls?Or am I way off in thinking that Grobb/Oggok were both in Innothule. Maybe Oggok was in Feerott.</blockquote>You're correct. Guk is in Innothule Swamp ... and Oggok is in Feerrott. Present-day Oggok is in ruins, at least, it appeared to be so - possibly ever since the 2nd Rallosian War when nearly entire race of ogres was killed by the Greenmist. Or it was something else. It couldn't be the Void/Shadowmen yet, though, since the story was in the Lost Age which was before EQLive.*shrug*An Obelisk is occupying a part of the ruins in Feerrott now, with portals touching other islands.</blockquote>What makes you think EQLive was the first time the agents of the Void interfered in Norrathian affairs?</blockquote>To me the documents point directly to Void creatures, and based on the dating of the documents that would mean that Creatures of the Void have been messing around in our affairs sence befor EQOA. Though generally behind the sceans in the shaddows. Also being that these documents date to befor the time split that means they are also part of EQlive's history, wich is odd because usually EQ2 devs and EQlive devs don't want to effect each others story development in any way.</blockquote>That doesn't seem to be as taboo as it was once upon a time and we are starting to see hints of things that happened in EQ after the time split.I don't remember there being any creatures of the void running around in EQoA, they were definitely around in EQ, although for the most part it was only Shadowmen. That doesn't mean they weren't there though. With the progression of Void infestation we've seen between EQ and EQ2 it seems to make sense that this story might even include one of the very first reported incursions of the Void into Norrath, and that during the time of EQoA the very first Shadowmen were just starting to arrive and scout things out for the larger parties we saw in EQ. They seem to be very patient and cautious in their invasions of worlds/dimensions/planets, I'm guessing b/c time doesn't exist in the Void.

TheLopper

03-21-2008, 06:09 PM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not entirely sure that's the Void. we've never seen anything in the Obelisks that had tentacles and no eyes. we've seen Evil Eyes, but I think that might have been pretty clear to the ogre if it was one of those. But if it as the Void/Shadowedmen, then it looks like they let loose perhaps with something new just for the Trolls. which would make sense, with trolls being able to regenerate so quickly, and being naturally very powerful race. hard to corrupt/possess something that can take a beating as long and not tire as a Troll. Or an Ogre, for that matter.which is the other thing I find odd.We're obviously in Innothule....but where are the Ogres? Did our ogre friend not head for Oggok?Or were some of the battles he was overhearing not just trolls, but ogres as well...or did the Ogres fall long before the Trolls?Or am I way off in thinking that Grobb/Oggok were both in Innothule. Maybe Oggok was in Feerott.</blockquote>Accually, to me the discription of the moster that was fought was alot like the Void creatures Varasoon spawns on you in his locked off room in RoV, these same creatures show up in OoB(they are the ones that suround you with darkness, while you fight them)</blockquote>I was about to say the same thing!Keep in mind that the Void Beasts in Varsoon's instance are Bards, too ^.^

Zabjade

03-21-2008, 07:29 PM

Drat was hoping the duo was still alive...

Cusashorn

03-21-2008, 10:54 PM

Oh thats right. If this was from the Lost Age, then that means that the Frogloks hadn't kicked the trolls out of Guk yet.Well in that case, I see nothing contradictory to EQlive's timeline since it was never revealed how the frogloks kicked them out.

DeBasilisk

03-21-2008, 11:34 PM

Something that flies and has tentacles....The only mob I can think of that fits that description are the terror wraiths, but, the creatures in the story are described as having no eyes, only a stretch of black skin...I'm not sure if that really applies to the terror wraiths; they do have eye sockets....Still, sounds at least a little like a terror wraith to me.

Apocroph

03-22-2008, 12:03 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh thats right. If this was from the Lost Age, then that means that the Frogloks hadn't kicked the trolls out of Guk yet.Well in that case, I see nothing contradictory to EQlive's timeline since it was never revealed how the frogloks kicked them out.</blockquote>Maybe we're seeing a cause for the undead frogs?

Cusashorn

03-22-2008, 12:15 AM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh thats right. If this was from the Lost Age, then that means that the Frogloks hadn't kicked the trolls out of Guk yet.Well in that case, I see nothing contradictory to EQlive's timeline since it was never revealed how the frogloks kicked them out.</blockquote>Maybe we're seeing a cause for the undead frogs?</blockquote>Well, that was Innoruuk's influence in that. I don't think Ykesha, the great troll leader who united all the clans, would want to destroy his own kind.

Rainmare

03-22-2008, 02:45 AM

that's another thing that kind of makes me think it's not shadowed men. every instance we've noted about the Shadowedmen, when they do possess creatures, they don't distort them physically. the halflings of Rivervale got in the situation they are in becuase they couldn't tell a possessed neighbor from a non possessed neighbor, which allowed them to spread like they did.Same with Fiddy Bobick. the shadowedmen seem to possess you more like what you would think of as a ghost possessing a body..there are definate changes, but nothing physical. thier manual you can read about thier procedures says that they are not to tamper with anything physical about it, to adjust thier habits to conform to the host's natural surroundings. doing something like blacking thier eyes and making them appear 'souless' would certainly seem to go against that.but then again, considering how long ago this was....this incursion might have also been the reason they wrote the manual int eh first place. this 'experiment' with the Trolls.

IrishWonder

03-22-2008, 05:03 AM

The fact that these come from the Lost Age is important to the puzzle.Think about the events of the Lost Age. It is marked by the mysterious fall of the Combine Empire. No one knows why it just ceased to be, and the relics and ruins from the Empire don't tell us much in the way of why the Empire died. And it wasn't only the Humans' Combine Empire... it was all civilization on Norrath. No race has much, if any, written history from this... hence the reason it's called the Lost Age.My guess is that the creatures in the story are definitely of the Void origin... but even if they're not, whatever they are, I believe we're looking at the reason the Lost Age was a blank spot in Norrath's history, and the reason the Combine Empire fell.

Gukkor2

03-22-2008, 06:24 AM

<cite>IrishWonder wrote:</cite><blockquote>The fact that these come from the Lost Age is important to the puzzle.Think about the events of the Lost Age. It is marked by the mysterious fall of the Combine Empire. No one knows why it just ceased to be, and the relics and ruins from the Empire don't tell us much in the way of why the Empire died. And it wasn't only the Humans' Combine Empire... it was all civilization on Norrath. No race has much, if any, written history from this... hence the reason it's called the Lost Age.My guess is that the creatures in the story are definitely of the Void origin... but even if they're not, whatever they are, I believe we're looking at the reason the Lost Age was a blank spot in Norrath's history, and the reason the Combine Empire fell.</blockquote>Wait, I thought the fall of the Combine was pretty much explained already by Seru's betrayal of Tsaph Katta and the subsequent civil war.

ke'la

03-22-2008, 07:16 AM

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>IrishWonder wrote:</cite><blockquote>The fact that these come from the Lost Age is important to the puzzle.Think about the events of the Lost Age. It is marked by the mysterious fall of the Combine Empire. No one knows why it just ceased to be, and the relics and ruins from the Empire don't tell us much in the way of why the Empire died. And it wasn't only the Humans' Combine Empire... it was all civilization on Norrath. No race has much, if any, written history from this... hence the reason it's called the Lost Age.My guess is that the creatures in the story are definitely of the Void origin... but even if they're not, whatever they are, I believe we're looking at the reason the Lost Age was a blank spot in Norrath's history, and the reason the Combine Empire fell.</blockquote>Wait, I thought the fall of the Combine was pretty much explained already by Seru's betrayal of Tsaph Katta and the subsequent civil war.</blockquote>You are forgeting that Void Creatures posses people on our plane, its possable that Seru's betrayal was not a betrayal at all, but part of a part of a plan by the Void Creatures. Remember at this point we really don't even really know what thier modivation is, at this point.

IrishWonder

03-22-2008, 07:40 AM

The betrayal and civil war affected only leading factions of the Combine Empire. The entire Empire didn't port to the moon, so there would have still been many left on Norrath. The complete disappearance of the Combine Empire from Norrath, and the lack of any known history during the Lost Age from any race, has never been explained.

Cusashorn

03-22-2008, 11:23 AM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>IrishWonder wrote:</cite><blockquote>The fact that these come from the Lost Age is important to the puzzle.Think about the events of the Lost Age. It is marked by the mysterious fall of the Combine Empire. No one knows why it just ceased to be, and the relics and ruins from the Empire don't tell us much in the way of why the Empire died. And it wasn't only the Humans' Combine Empire... it was all civilization on Norrath. No race has much, if any, written history from this... hence the reason it's called the Lost Age.My guess is that the creatures in the story are definitely of the Void origin... but even if they're not, whatever they are, I believe we're looking at the reason the Lost Age was a blank spot in Norrath's history, and the reason the Combine Empire fell.</blockquote>Wait, I thought the fall of the Combine was pretty much explained already by Seru's betrayal of Tsaph Katta and the subsequent civil war.</blockquote>You are forgeting that Void Creatures posses people on our plane, its possable that Seru's betrayal was not a betrayal at all, but part of a part of a plan by the Void Creatures. Remember at this point we really don't even really know what thier modivation is, at this point.</blockquote>...*sigh* Please don't go there. Lord Inquisitor Seru was just a human who wanted to rule with an iron fist, so he poisoned Tsaph Katta and formed his own combine empire after his army found out they were trapped on the moon as well.The void creatures have so far, shown no interest in interfering with the mortals of the realm in a direct way.

ganng

03-22-2008, 12:14 PM

I like the idea that the events captured in the Escape from Guk series highlights the events that brought about the rise of the time prior to EQOA. While I would like to think that it is something other than the void like possibly a super powerful undead that I beleive was geographically close to Guk on the EQOA maps EQ2 seems to trend toward the involvement of the void. I wonder if the shadowed man camp in Inny swamp from EQ is related to this?

ganng

03-22-2008, 12:32 PM

Now that I am actually thinking about it, there were shadowed men in Lesser Fay and Innothule Swamp in EQ. Now in EQ2 we know of some heavy void activity arround Mistmoore and this tid bit of lore might be bringing us back to Guk or at least Innothule Swamp for some possible furthering of the us v's the void grand scheme of things. Soo my questions are; was it ever explained in EQ what:The undead tower in Innithule was?That giant hand sticking out of the swamp, what is the lore behind it?The sunken hut... any usefull lore there?

Cusashorn

03-22-2008, 01:10 PM

The giant hand sticking out of the swamp was named "The Hand of Innoruuk". I'm not sure who named it or how it got there, but there was another one somewhere else in EQlive..Now where was that again? Rathe Mountains? hmm I can't remember.

Apocroph

03-22-2008, 05:13 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The giant hand sticking out of the swamp was named "The Hand of Innoruuk". I'm not sure who named it or how it got there, but there was another one somewhere else in EQlive..Now where was that again? Rathe Mountains? hmm I can't remember.</blockquote>The Hand of Innoruuk may be named like the swamp itself was. Inno(ruuk)(Cazic-)thule.The only other hand I remember seeing was the one in Lesser Faydark. The shadowed man hangout near Mistmoore.

Cusashorn

03-22-2008, 09:39 PM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The giant hand sticking out of the swamp was named "The Hand of Innoruuk". I'm not sure who named it or how it got there, but there was another one somewhere else in EQlive..Now where was that again? Rathe Mountains? hmm I can't remember.</blockquote>The Hand of Innoruuk may be named like the swamp itself was. Inno(ruuk)(Cazic-)thule.The only other hand I remember seeing was the one in Lesser Faydark. The shadowed man hangout near Mistmoore.</blockquote>The Shadowmen hung out at the ancient elven ruins that looked like an eagle's wings spread out. There wasn't a hand of Innoruuk there. I think another hand can be found at the Temple of Lanys T'Vyl in Rathe Mountains.

teddyboy4

03-22-2008, 10:32 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The giant hand sticking out of the swamp was named "The Hand of Innoruuk". I'm not sure who named it or how it got there, but there was another one somewhere else in EQlive..Now where was that again? Rathe Mountains? hmm I can't remember.</blockquote>The Hand of Innoruuk may be named like the swamp itself was. Inno(ruuk)(Cazic-)thule.The only other hand I remember seeing was the one in Lesser Faydark. The shadowed man hangout near Mistmoore.</blockquote>The Shadowmen hung out at the ancient elven ruins that looked like an eagle's wings spread out. There wasn't a hand of Innoruuk there. I think another hand can be found at the Temple of Lanys T'Vyl in Rathe Mountains.</blockquote>Weren't those ruins that looked like the spread wings w/ the Shadowmen around it in the Greater Faydark? I may be wrong, my memory gets worse as time goes on.

ganng

03-23-2008, 11:02 AM

It is Lesser Fey, and there is a female High elf standing near it that can not speak with you now because they are waiting on someone verry important... Station access gotta love it.

Yoshye

03-25-2008, 01:04 AM

Where can I find ALL of the lore that exists for anything that has to do with Everquest in every form? you people sound like you were there when Everquest was thought of lol. Who was that anyway?

Cusashorn

03-25-2008, 01:52 AM

<cite>Yoshye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where can I find ALL of the lore that exists for anything that has to do with Everquest in every form? you people sound like you were there when Everquest was thought of lol. Who was that anyway?</blockquote>Even if we supplied you with every website that detailed all the EQ lore, you still wouldn't even know half of it.

troodon

03-25-2008, 05:51 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The giant hand sticking out of the swamp was named "The Hand of Innoruuk". I'm not sure who named it or how it got there, but there was another one somewhere else in EQlive..Now where was that again? Rathe Mountains? hmm I can't remember.</blockquote>There were <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/Rathe%20Mountains/EQ000194.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">giant hands</a> in Rathe Mountains but they didn't look much like <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/Innothule/EQ000115.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">those</a> in Innothule.

Basho

03-25-2008, 06:59 PM

<cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The giant hand sticking out of the swamp was named "The Hand of Innoruuk". I'm not sure who named it or how it got there, but there was another one somewhere else in EQlive..Now where was that again? Rathe Mountains? hmm I can't remember.</blockquote>There were <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/Rathe%20Mountains/EQ000194.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">giant hands</a> in Rathe Mountains but they didn't look much like <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/Innothule/EQ000115.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">those</a> in Innothule.</blockquote> I believe the hands in that pic are where the rathe council were executed after being brought back from the their plane during the first invasion of the planes. At least, that's how I've always considered it - putting together the location and the lore.

Cusashorn

03-25-2008, 07:01 PM

<cite>Basho wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The giant hand sticking out of the swamp was named "The Hand of Innoruuk". I'm not sure who named it or how it got there, but there was another one somewhere else in EQlive..Now where was that again? Rathe Mountains? hmm I can't remember.</blockquote>There were <a rel="nofollow" href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/Rathe%20Mountains/EQ000194.jpg" target="_blank">giant hands</a> in Rathe Mountains but they didn't look much like <a rel="nofollow" href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/Innothule/EQ000115.jpg" target="_blank">those</a> in Innothule.</blockquote>I believe the hands in that pic are where the rathe council were executed after being brought back from the their plane during the first invasion of the planes. At least, that's how I've always considered it - putting together the location and the lore.</blockquote>The Maps of Myrist states that those giant arms are the earth reaching out in agony as the Rathe Council was killed off. The Mountains themselves were formed every time one of them was killed.

troodon

03-25-2008, 07:25 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Basho wrote:</cite><blockquote>I believe the hands in that pic are where the rathe council were executed after being brought back from the their plane during the first invasion of the planes. At least, that's how I've always considered it - putting together the location and the lore.</blockquote>The Maps of Myrist states that those giant arms are the earth reaching out in agony as the Rathe Council was killed off. The Mountains themselves were formed every time one of them was killed.</blockquote>Good to know I got that part of my "Tour" right.

DeBasilisk

03-25-2008, 11:26 PM

I'm not convinced that the tentacle terror (I still think they sound like the Terror Wraiths,) have anything to do with the Void. I've never seen any mob along those lines associated with the Void, and the only thing that really seems to connect it at all is the "possession," factor. But, a body rising up with inky eyes doesn't really strike me as anything like, say, the corrupted halflings or anything else. It sounds more like some kind of undead mob...Not that I have any other theory, and it is true that these days anything that doesn't fit right into any known lore goes into the "void?" pile. hehe.

ganng

03-26-2008, 09:10 PM

I kind of like the undead angle myself. That said I have a few questions about Teren's Grasp:<ul><li>Do we know who buit it?</li><li>The spires located here seem to have the ability to allow the spirit world to cross over to our world, is this ever explained further than the initial faction grind quests?</li><li> For that matter is there any lore on this place past the initial faction grind quests?</li></ul>Theroy being is that if this location checks out to be historically viable and there are no other hard explinations behind its ties to the spirit world we might have a place to start looking for answers.... Or the feild of bone and that pesky tower that is rumored to be full of undead and a basement full of badgers.

Gukkor2

03-26-2008, 10:46 PM

<cite>DeBasilisk wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not convinced that the tentacle terror (I still think they sound like the Terror Wraiths,) have anything to do with the Void. I've never seen any mob along those lines associated with the Void, and the only thing that really seems to connect it at all is the "possession," factor. But, a body rising up with inky eyes doesn't really strike me as anything like, say, the corrupted halflings or anything else. It sounds more like some kind of undead mob...Not that I have any other theory, and it is true that these days anything that doesn't fit right into any known lore goes into the "void?" pile. hehe.</blockquote>Oh, it's certainly a possibility that it's something else. The Void just seems like the most likely answer since it's the subject of the game's current major story arc.

Ragnaphore

03-27-2008, 12:30 PM

<cite>ganng wrote:</cite><blockquote>That said I have a few questions about Teren's Grasp:<ul><li>Do we know who buit it?</li><li>The spires located here seem to have the ability to allow the spirit world to cross over to our world, is this ever explained further than the initial faction grind quests?</li><li> For that matter is there any lore on this place past the initial faction grind quests?</li></ul></blockquote>- The Combines built it, it was part of their teleportation network. You can see another set of big spires in GFay and numerous smallers across Norrath.- Not sure about that, back in EQ1, what is now Teren's Grasp was full of undeads. Maybe the ancient magic still present in the Spires affect the spirit world. We know that the Combines were master of the now lost art of Geomancy.- Not much in EQ2, you can find some EQ1 lore about this place (obviously before Teren and the other non-native retreat there)

Gehn2

03-27-2008, 01:25 PM

I'm leaning toward the Void idea also. While the description isn't exactly the same as a dark lurker, its very similar to a description I would expect from one.<div></div><div>As for the troll, I was thinking two things:</div><div></div><div>1. It is possible he was possessed by the creature that came down and attacked the Ogre.</div><div>2. If anyone has done Obelisk of Blight, they have probably gotten to the last guy there. The other night I noticed the last guy do something I didn't remember him doing. He created 2 dark copies of myself to fight against my other group members. With the sheer amount of trolls that were in the area, wouldn't it be possible that this creature had the same ability? And had just encountered some of the trolls the Ogre was running from? Would explain the "soulless eyes" he described.</div><div></div><div>I don't know if I agree with undead, there really isn't a whole lot that points to that and seems to be more pointing to the Void.</div><div></div><div>What about the thing someone mentioned about maybe the Lord guy from the Combine Empire actually being "possessed". Maybe instead of "The Lost Age" it should be renamed to "The Void Age". Maybe they really were the reason for the Combine Empire falling. I mean if you read were this document was found it was found in the Lair of Trakkenon, which if I remember correctly is in Sebilis, which use to be the Iksar home during the Combine era correct? This bard must have written it during this time period. And the Ogre said that he had never seen a creature like this before. This could be the start of the Void presence on Norrath.</div><div></div><div>Interesting stuff, wonder why they decided to release this lore, hrm... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

Gukkor2

03-27-2008, 04:37 PM

<cite>Gehn2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm leaning toward the Void idea also. While the description isn't exactly the same as a dark lurker, its very similar to a description I would expect from one. <div></div><div>As for the troll, I was thinking two things:</div><div></div><div>1. It is possible he was possessed by the creature that came down and attacked the Ogre.</div><div>2. If anyone has done Obelisk of Blight, they have probably gotten to the last guy there. The other night I noticed the last guy do something I didn't remember him doing. He created 2 dark copies of myself to fight against my other group members. With the sheer amount of trolls that were in the area, wouldn't it be possible that this creature had the same ability? And had just encountered some of the trolls the Ogre was running from? Would explain the "soulless eyes" he described.</div><div></div><div>I don't know if I agree with undead, there really isn't a whole lot that points to that and seems to be more pointing to the Void.</div><div></div><div>What about the thing someone mentioned about maybe the Lord guy from the Combine Empire actually being "possessed". Maybe instead of "The Lost Age" it should be renamed to "The Void Age". Maybe they really were the reason for the Combine Empire falling. I mean if you read were this document was found it was found in the Lair of Trakkenon, which if I remember correctly is in Sebilis, which use to be the Iksar home during the Combine era correct? This bard must have written it during this time period. And the Ogre said that he had never seen a creature like this before. This could be the start of the Void presence on Norrath.</div><div></div><div>Interesting stuff, wonder why they decided to release this lore, hrm... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></div></blockquote>Trakanon's Lair is no longer in Sebilis. He's moved to Veeshan's Peak.

DeBasilisk

03-27-2008, 11:14 PM

Actually, now that I think about it, the creature described sounds Exactly like a D&D monster called a Darkmantle.<a href="http://bakabon.justblog.jp/blog/106176456946731113888862126924566d1.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://bakabon.justblog.jp/blog/106...126924566d1.jpg</a>But that's crossing products.....hehe.

Lodrelhai

03-28-2008, 12:01 AM

<cite>DeBasilisk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, now that I think about it, the creature described sounds Exactly like a D&D monster called a Darkmantle.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://bakabon.justblog.jp/blog/106176456946731113888862126924566d1.jpg" target="_blank">http://bakabon.justblog.jp/blog/106...126924566d1.jpg</a>But that's crossing products.....hehe.</blockquote>Although that darkmantle looks rather like the <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=16328" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">murkglider</a> from Dranik's Scar.But I'm sure the EQ2 devs aren't going to inflict OoW on us. At least, I hope not.

Zabjade

04-01-2008, 12:37 AM

Since the story is done on this has anyone seen any in-game easter-eggs, questlines etc on this? Still there was that event that a lot of people had to sign a NDA over and it is too early to release the next expansion name....does this mean we will have some live content soon?

troodon

04-01-2008, 01:38 AM

<cite>Ragnaphore wrote:</cite><blockquote>- The Combines built it, it was part of their teleportation network. You can see another set of big spires in GFay and numerous smallers across Norrath.</blockquote>The original spires were not built by the Combine, they were built by someone else (presumably the Shissar, as per <a href="http://home.comcast.net/~bigdragon7/faydwersbrethren/stories/luclore.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">pre-Luclin release lore</a>). It's possible the Combine copied their form to make Teren's Grasp but I don't think that's a safe assumption.Edit to add: actually, having just reread that journal it seems Teren's must have been built by the Combine, since the empire was the one that started adding the pyramidal structures to the quadroliths.