Game Update 44 preview! [Archive] - EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire

Josgar

03-21-2008, 03:49 AM

<cite>Splorch wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Winter wrote:</cite><blockquote>And next week comes an exclusive preview and story regarding the Shard of Hate on The Winwin Situation. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" /></blockquote>Umm... what? I have nothing against you Winwin, but your not constructive at all. Your feedback on Shard of Hate is going to be... lacking? Yeah... Your not really a good choice.</blockquote>No offence, but did you know that Winwin happens to be an avid raider :OFurthermore before you get your knickers in a bunch, anyone can post the lore aspect of it.The preview she is talking about does not say a "REVIEW" nor does it say an accurate description of what we will get she says we are getting:A preview. Previews are generally dictated on what to be shown... she may have creative input on it, but if she was shown more I bet it is NDA'd. Priveiws say what will be there and not what SHOULD be there. She makes no claims in doing so.

Computer MAn

03-21-2008, 03:54 AM

<cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>No offence, but did you know that Winwin happens to be an avid raider :O</blockquote>No shes not, she's not even in VP that shows she has no business doing a top end raid zone preview.

Splor

03-21-2008, 04:05 AM

I'm sure that her views and actions afterwards will be dictated, but she doesn't give CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK. she gives POSITIVE feedback, but I'm yet to see Winwin suggest ways to improve things. And as stated above, shes not at the top end of raiding. You could say I'm an avid raider... enjoying my wonderful t1 and EoF zones... but that doesn't put me at the top end either. SoH to my understanding will be at the top end, not level 75-82 epics.

ke'la

03-21-2008, 04:06 AM

<cite>Computer MAn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Winter wrote:</cite><blockquote>And next week comes an exclusive preview and story regarding the Shard of Hate on The Winwin Situation. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" /></blockquote>SOE you really need to stop being so naive by giving exclusives to sites that do not accurately tell the quality of content, most of the sites that get exclusives have absolutely nothing constructive to say but rather say how great the new addition is. Logic would say that you would give an exclusive to a site that is active in the raiding population and Winwin's site however great it is does not do that. This exclusive really should be given to another site like Allakhazam who have proven they at least have some people who read it.</blockquote>Um, Computer Man accually you need to stop being so naive, do you really think Calthine or Kaira('zam), or even LFG or the leader of the best World Wide Raid Guild, would in a Guided Tour, give you anything other then basicly oh, pritty, and maybe a list of the Nameds you will face? Because you wouldn't, even if they would let you take on the MoB, most likly you would be doing it solo, at lvl 1 or something, and lets just say the hell freezes over senario happens and they would accually let that raid leader assemble his force and accually fight the mobs, IF that leader would be willing to give up the secrets of the fight, they would not be able to do to NDA restrictions.

Tyberi

03-21-2008, 04:07 AM

<cite>Computer MAn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>No offence, but did you know that Winwin happens to be an avid raider :O</blockquote>No shes not, she's not even in VP that shows she has no business doing a top end raid zone preview.</blockquote>And specifically she/he/it only started raiding a few months ago providing little to no experience with raiding at any level.No offense Winwin, I'm sure you'll get there eventually on experience and knowledge of the encounters, but not even you can say giving you the review exclusive is in any way, shape or form a proper venue to give coverage that is pertinent to raiding, especially at a level where you can form an educated opinion of what a zone is like.This is honestly the worst PR move in a track record of bad PR moves from this community management staff.

ke'la

03-21-2008, 04:14 AM

ke'la

03-21-2008, 04:23 AM

<cite>Tyberion@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Computer MAn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>No offence, but did you know that Winwin happens to be an avid raider :O</blockquote>No shes not, she's not even in VP that shows she has no business doing a top end raid zone preview.</blockquote>And specifically she/he/it only started raiding a few months ago providing little to no experience with raiding at any level.No offense Winwin, I'm sure you'll get there eventually on experience and knowledge of the encounters, but not even you can say giving you the review exclusive is in any way, shape or form a proper venue to give coverage that is pertinent to raiding, especially at a level where you can form an educated opinion of what a zone is like.This is honestly the worst PR move in a track record of bad PR moves from this community management staff.</blockquote>First, Win is a she. Second, this is a PREVIEW not a review, get it thru your head that it does not matter if YOU PERSONALLY went on the tour you would get just about the same IF NOT LESS* information then Winwin. Tell me again how much do you know about a movie after watching the Teaser Trailer... thats about how much info ANYONE who would go on this tour would get.Oh and btw, if your really conserned about the content of the zone maybe you should require your raid force to /testcopy to PvPTest(sans PvP atm) and test it out yourself and accually try to break it. That would allow you to give Constructive Responces to the quality of a zone. Something that even LFG could not give in on a Guided Tour.*by having someone with what appears to be sugnificatly less experiance doing the PREview, they maybe more open to showing the "cool stuff", because maybe she won't get it's sugnifigance. On the other hand with an extreemly occomplished raider they may play things closer to the vest, as they would pick up on the sugnifigance of more minute details. [edit]Moved the * text to after all the main points for clarity.

Grimwell

03-21-2008, 04:30 AM

Ease up on the negativity folks. You don't want me moderating after midnight. Apply the golden rule and say nice things that our mothers would approve of, or elect not to participate in the conversation. It's the nice thing to do.

Splor

03-21-2008, 04:41 AM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tyberion@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Computer MAn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>No offence, but did you know that Winwin happens to be an avid raider :O</blockquote>No shes not, she's not even in VP that shows she has no business doing a top end raid zone preview.</blockquote>And specifically she/he/it only started raiding a few months ago providing little to no experience with raiding at any level.No offense Winwin, I'm sure you'll get there eventually on experience and knowledge of the encounters, but not even you can say giving you the review exclusive is in any way, shape or form a proper venue to give coverage that is pertinent to raiding, especially at a level where you can form an educated opinion of what a zone is like.This is honestly the worst PR move in a track record of bad PR moves from this community management staff.</blockquote>First, Win is a she. Second, this is a PREVIEW not a review, get it thru your head that it does not matter if YOU PERSONALLY went on the tour you would get just about the same IF NOT LESS* information then Winwin. Tell me again how much do you know about a movie after watching the Teaser Trailer... thats about how much info ANYONE who would go on this tour would get.Oh and btw, if your really conserned about the content of the zone maybe you should require your raid force to /testcopy to PvPTest(sans PvP atm) and test it out yourself and accually try to break it. That would allow you to give Constructive Responces to the quality of a zone. Something that even LFG could not give in on a Guided Tour.*by having someone with what appears to be sugnificatly less experiance doing the PREview, they maybe more open to showing the "cool stuff", because maybe she won't get it's sugnifigance. On the other hand with an extreemly occomplished raider they may play things closer to the vest, as they would pick up on the sugnifigance of more minute details. [edit]Moved the * text to after all the main points for clarity.</blockquote>I've watched Winwin repeatedly in the face of error and problematic content attempt to only see the bright side. Though it does make things look and feel nice, she tends to ignore outright when something is wrong. I think everyone understands its a preview, but what she says will be a REVIEW on a PREVIEW omg omg. There is no doubt in my mind that things that are problematic that many could notice can and will be ignored by Winwin, and then the only chance to see the content before going live will be on test. However, how many things on test actually got tested in depth, especially pertaining to the inside of raid zones? And don't just jump on the LFG love boat. I'd rather someone with a better understanding of the game went in, particularly someone who MT's who would be focusing on effective surroundings and possible workouts or setups over most. Last I remember LFG is a healer, and imo, still not the best choice.As to negativity, i'm attempting to not be negative and am giving my true honest feedback on how I feel. There are people who could pick out problems or point out flaws as well as point out awesome aspects. I think that though the point of the whole thing is the person goes in and gets some screens, I doubt developers would decline thoughts.

Tyberi

03-21-2008, 04:44 AM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tyberion@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Computer MAn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>No offence, but did you know that Winwin happens to be an avid raider :O</blockquote>No shes not, she's not even in VP that shows she has no business doing a top end raid zone preview.</blockquote>And specifically she/he/it only started raiding a few months ago providing little to no experience with raiding at any level.No offense Winwin, I'm sure you'll get there eventually on experience and knowledge of the encounters, but not even you can say giving you the review exclusive is in any way, shape or form a proper venue to give coverage that is pertinent to raiding, especially at a level where you can form an educated opinion of what a zone is like.This is honestly the worst PR move in a track record of bad PR moves from this community management staff.</blockquote>First, Win is a she. Second, this is a PREVIEW not a review, get it thru your head that it does not matter if YOU PERSONALLY went on the tour you would get just about the same IF NOT LESS* information then Winwin. Tell me again how much do you know about a movie after watching the Teaser Trailer... thats about how much info ANYONE who would go on this tour would get.Oh and btw, if your really conserned about the content of the zone maybe you should require your raid force to /testcopy to PvPTest(sans PvP atm) and test it out yourself and accually try to break it. That would allow you to give Constructive Responces to the quality of a zone. Something that even LFG could not give in on a Guided Tour.*by having someone with what appears to be sugnificatly less experiance doing the PREview, they maybe more open to showing the "cool stuff", because maybe she won't get it's sugnifigance. On the other hand with an extreemly raider they may play things closer to the vest, as they would pick up on the sugnifigance of more minute details. [edit]Moved the * text to after all the main points for clarity.</blockquote>First, in a court of law due to genetic testing he is still a he, and any semantics does not change that nor will they change my statement to include however the person I am addressing feels they want to be addressed. Second a PREview is just that, a Review of the product before the product is released, aka viewing the product pre-release and writing up an article about the feel, impressions and content of said product before its release.This is a direct slap in the face of raiders to assume that someone who just started raiding a few months ago can provide even a half competent preview article of a raid zone.That is the same as giving a the responsibility of a preview article for a brand new performance sports car for a major automobile company to a sixteen year old girl who just started driving a few months ago.As far as testing it goes you are assuming, A) it will be released on test B) it will be accessible to everyone C) it will be completable D) the scripts will be intact and the same as they are for the live release version and E) the encounter feedback will be processed and changed quickly enough to be tested again. All five of those assumptions would have to coincide for an accurate and true test to occur. Those five assumptions very rarely occur altogether for raid zones on test. Heck, those five assumptions rarely occur for anything on test going to live.Grimwell, so you take away the preview from the most trafficked of all eq2 related sites and give it to one of the least? Solid PR work, very solid.

Grimwell

03-21-2008, 04:48 AM

I will reopen this thread in the morning when I get to work. At that point in time I hope we can all be a bit more rested and focus on the content of the preview, and not gender identification, fan fiction, or perceived website drama.Yes, you guys are missing a point. Win Win isn't sitting on an exclusive... sleep on it and try again in the morning eh?[Edit: Bah, let's leave it open and hope that the clarity of it not being an exclusive can get us back to class drama about rangers and more...]

Tyberi

03-21-2008, 05:00 AM

What class drama with rangers? They seriously needed these fixes to be reasserted as a top tier DPS class.Also, in light of new developments and incoming information we can all breathe easy, Winwin is not writing a review/preview article but something he/she is much more adept and suited for from everything I have seen.

Splor

03-21-2008, 05:04 AM

Thank god.

SG_01

03-21-2008, 05:06 AM

Man, you guys are quick to get yer knockers in a bunch. Someone unrelated drops the word "exclusive" and it's immediately the truth. Even if she was writing a preview or review of the zone, it doesn't immediately mean exclusive ya know.Anyhow, sounds like it's going to be a good update! Can't wait to put those hearts to rest! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />*hugs Winter*

Wurz

03-21-2008, 05:07 AM

"Ranged weapons users rejoice! You can now choose to display your equipped bow instead of your melee weapons! Much like being able to see helms and other head-worn items, that will be easily chosen within your "Persona" menu, in the "Options" sub-menu. This works on mannequins, too!Rangers, you've been heard! Upcoming in Game Update 44, ranged ammunition will be adjusted to have a minimum level that represents the start of that ammunition's tier! Ranged weapons will no longer scale down to a lower level unless the ammunition you've chosen to use is significantly lower than your presently equipped ranged weapon."give bards some speed ffs

Grimlux

03-21-2008, 05:11 AM

Where are the game update notes 44? The link takes me to eq2players.com. thats it....

SG_01

03-21-2008, 05:13 AM

It's just a preview, there are no update notes yet till it hits test.

Grimlux

03-21-2008, 05:16 AM

<cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's just a preview, there are no update notes yet till it hits test.</blockquote>Sorry. let me rephrase, I only see the main page of eq2players.com. Can someone make a link that takes me to the "Preview"

SG_01

03-21-2008, 05:23 AM

<cite>Grimlux wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's just a preview, there are no update notes yet till it hits test.</blockquote>Sorry. let me rephrase, I only see the main page of eq2players.com. Can someone make a link that takes me to the "Preview"</blockquote>It's the top news article of the main page for me, also the link does seem to work here. Try to ctrl-refresh the page to make sure you're not looking at a cached page.

Kel

03-21-2008, 05:35 AM

From the looks of it it doesn't work in Firefox... Someone mind copy/pasting the notes here, please?

Tyberi

03-21-2008, 05:37 AM

It works in firefox.Unless you have it set to not open links in a new tab and it is trying to open the new window as a pop up and firefox is blocking it?If that is the case right click and copy link location.Do not enable pop ups from any site. Much less one associated with an MMO right now.

Grimlux

03-21-2008, 05:38 AM

I cant see em' either. Can someone just link them in forum here?

Tyberi

03-21-2008, 05:39 AM

Hi, stop being lazy and type in eq2players.com in your address bar.[removed the acronym, since it's not acceptable to say profanity here, nor to abbreviate it.]

Grimlux

03-21-2008, 05:44 AM

<cite>Tyberion@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hi, stop being lazy and type in eq2players.com in your address bar.FFS.</blockquote>Why dont you read the past posts before you spew out crap. The link takes me to EQ2players.com. That is it.. no notes. NADA. Its not even a big deal. Sorry to request information that is apparently to hard for you to oblige.

ScubaEtte

03-21-2008, 05:45 AM

I see that the Shrink cloaks and the 4 year vet awards are still being thrown under the rug for us on the PVP servers. When are you going to do something about these items.Let us put them back in the LoN game if your not going to let us shrink with them.And give us a different 4 year vet award if we cant shrink with them as well.Just another way to say "bend over and take it like a man" to the pvp players.

Winter

03-21-2008, 05:58 AM

Woah woah woah. Okay, now I did use the word 'exclusive', but 'exclusive' doesn't necessarily mean a full on blowout preview of something. With all due respect, guys, please don't read too far into things. I'll have some special screenshots and an exclusive insight written into a story... Now as far as opinions on the zone and such - those will be shared after I have raided the zone and developed a full opinion. Despite people thinking I paint only happy pictures, I am very big on giving constructive feedback - I just don't necessarily put it out for everyone to see. But I hope you all have a wonderful morning! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

ke'la

03-21-2008, 06:19 AM

<cite>Brom@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I see that the Shrink cloaks and the 4 year vet awards are still being thrown under the rug for us on the PVP servers. When are you going to do something about these items.Let us put them back in the LoN game if your not going to let us shrink with them.And give us a different 4 year vet award if we cant shrink with them as well.Just another way to say "bend over and take it like a man" to the pvp players. </blockquote>Now this is more like the type of post Grim was hoping for... WTG Brom. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />As for this issue, I am shure they are "looking into it" just like for the past 2-3 years they have been "looking into" fixing the Ranged Ammo issue (this is NOT just a Ranger issue, or for that matter an Arrow issue, though it effects both of those the most). At some point in the future, when they get around to it, I am shure they will address the /shrink issue, probly by making it so you can only shrink, so small, or adding the effects the Fae/Arasia glowball form has when shrunk, Stifle, no cast at all, no invis, etc. In other words make it completly usless, or down right deadly, in PvP but allow those on PvP servers to accually use the ablities in relitivly safe areas.

Kel

03-21-2008, 06:21 AM

<cite>Tyberion@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hi, stop being lazy and type in eq2players.com in your address bar.FFS.</blockquote>I'm not [Removed for Content] [Removed for Content] or lazy. I've been to EQ2Players. I've clicked the link.It Does Not Work.Would someone *please* just copy paste it? It's probably an issue of server not updating properly between me and SoE, but it doesn't matter much as to WHY.

Wurz

03-21-2008, 06:42 AM

from <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=1619&section=News&locale=en_US" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...mp;locale=en_US</a>"Game Update 44 preview! The Shard of Hate has appeared, sending some of the inhabitants of Norrath into a blind fury! Fights are breaking out in some of the major cities due to the overspill of hate-energy, and you can choose to either help cleanse the hearts of those that are affected by assisting Priests of Love or you can choose to further deepen the hate by assisting the members of the group named "The Dead". Ranged weapons users rejoice! You can now choose to display your equipped bow instead of your melee weapons! Much like being able to see helms and other head-worn items, that will be easily chosen within your "Persona" menu, in the "Options" sub-menu. This works on mannequins, too! Not to be outdone by their Qeynosian counterparts, the Coalition of Tradesfolke in West Freeport is in the process of refurbishing their headquarters to provide more convenient facilities for crafters under the scrutinizing eye of Lord Lucan. There are two new armored Wargs now available in Kunark, one bred for battle and one trained to better handle under pressure for those that choose to wield magic! You'll soon be able to get these riding beasts through your actions and adventures in that wild terrain! Rangers, you've been heard! Upcoming in Game Update 44, ranged ammunition will be adjusted to have a minimum level that represents the start of that ammunition's tier! Ranged weapons will no longer scale down to a lower level unless the ammunition you've chosen to use is significantly lower than your presently equipped ranged weapon. Come back next week, and I might just have some images to tempt you with, too!"

Kel

03-21-2008, 07:30 AM

Thank you.

Cadaveria

03-21-2008, 09:05 AM

less visual content, less crafting content; more fixes, more adventure content please <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Virulence

03-21-2008, 09:37 AM

LOL Devs do something great implementing a new zone and fix a major issue...and people whine. There are plenty of issues plaguing almost every class but unless you stick to articulating them in an intelligent and civil manner I doubt anyone will listen to you. Kinda like life in general.Anyway, I like what I see. For me EQ2 is a teamsport as I raid so anything to help my guildmate Rangers is well appreciated.

Aneova

03-21-2008, 10:23 AM

Anonymouse

03-21-2008, 10:24 AM

<cite>Winter wrote:</cite><blockquote>And next week comes a story regarding the Shard of Hate on The Winwin Situation!<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>Can I just ask why you post in Huge Purple letters?Just curious is all.... P.S If the devs would color code their posts, it would be wonderful <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />It would make it easier to find the important posts in a thread.

Kurokage

03-21-2008, 10:26 AM

SoH- Can't wait to check it out, whether its a raid zone or not. Though I would wonder why it would be made a raid zone(not saying another one wouldn't be cool) when SoF isn't. It gives me the impression Innurok is tougher then Cazic...My god can beat up Your god! Either way, it sounds interesting and the spill over to the rest of norrath outta be fun, I look forward to spreading the hate! Mwahahahaha!Ranged weapons - eh, both of my highest level toons are Monk and Brig, and both use thrown weapons to capitalize on CAs, so not terribly interested in the new graphics effect or the ammo issue, but for those that enjoy this change....cheers.CoT refurbishing - w/e, I mostly craft in EFP with my alchy, or neriak if I am near my house. Would like to see fuel become available in houses to help make them more viable crafting locations.More armored wargs - bleh, if they are quested, maybe I'll do the quest. But I don't really like the warg look for my toons, so probably won't keep em.So far I am looking forward to 1 of the upcoming changes, the rest is a bit mediocre imho. But since this is a preview I'll wait to see what else is coming.

Alfgand

03-21-2008, 11:01 AM

Grats Rangers, glad to see you folks got some attention to long standing problem. I hope its the fix you folks needed. Maybe now Coercers can get some attention to our many issues that have been around just as long. I recommend the thread below that illustrates in detail our many issues. There are reasons why we are the least played class worldwide. Its time to fix Coercers.<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=409617" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=409617</a>

Wurz

03-21-2008, 11:13 AM

<cite>Svenghali@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe now Coercers can get some attention to our many issues that have been around just as long. I recommend the thread below that illustrates in detail our many issues. There are reasons why we are the least played class worldwide. Its time to fix Coercers.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=409617" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=409617</a> </blockquote>no no no it s bards turn now, we r waiting for a usefull selo line and AAs since the game started ! our turn !jk btw, just that havin a useless spellline and at least 4 AAs spent in that useless selo to get Allegro and DKtM is seriously [Removed for Content] bards off since a very long time now too. we r not the only class havin issues for sure. come on SoE, that was a nice move toward ranged, give us more plz.PS and btw Svenghali, i love your sig !

Virulence

03-21-2008, 11:14 AM

<cite>Svenghali@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Grats Rangers, glad to see you folks got some attention to long standing problem. I hope its the fix you folks needed. Maybe now Coercers can get some attention to our many issues that have been around just as long. I recommend the thread below that illustrates in detail our many issues. There are reasons why we are the least played class worldwide. Its time to fix Coercers.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=409617" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=409617</a> </blockquote>mature response, I applaud you.

ke'la

03-21-2008, 11:42 AM

<cite>Kurogo@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>SoH- Can't wait to check it out, whether its a raid zone or not. Though I would wonder why it would be made a raid zone(not saying another one wouldn't be cool) when SoF isn't. It gives me the impression Innurok is tougher then Cazic...My god can beat up Your god! Either way, it sounds interesting and the spill over to the rest of norrath outta be fun, I look forward to spreading the hate! Mwahahahaha!Ranged weapons - eh, both of my highest level toons are Monk and Brig, and both use thrown weapons to capitalize on CAs, so not terribly interested in the new graphics effect or the ammo issue, but for those that enjoy this change....cheers.Accually the miss named "arrow" issue, effects you to, as the issue effect ALL ammo, including thrown weopons. Its just that the issue is more ovious with arrows and effects Rangers the most, because Rangers get the vast majority of thier DPS from ranged attacks and as such spend alot of time figuring out how to maximise thier ranged damage. Monks and Rouges really don't care too much about ranged damage, wich is why you don't see people talking about thrown ammo having the same issue, eventhough it does.CoT refurbishing - w/e, I mostly craft in EFP with my alchy, or neriak if I am near my house. Would like to see fuel become available in houses to help make them more viable crafting locations.More armored wargs - bleh, if they are quested, maybe I'll do the quest. But I don't really like the warg look for my toons, so probably won't keep em.So far I am looking forward to 1 of the upcoming changes, the rest is a bit mediocre imho. But since this is a preview I'll wait to see what else is coming.</blockquote>

Gtwo

03-21-2008, 11:54 AM

In my opinion this is just another fail, Please stop pushing me away from a game I love, Grim!

Rashaak

03-21-2008, 11:57 AM

<cite>Kurogo@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ranged weapons - eh, both of my highest level toons are Monk and Brig, and both use thrown weapons to capitalize on CAs, so not terribly interested in the new graphics effect or the ammo issue, but for those that enjoy this change....cheers.</blockquote>QFE!Unless they decided to finally add a graphic image from the bandoliers and such... *cough* hint *cough* /ponderWhat was that lead art designer's name they posted a mont or so ago on EQ2Players?

Kegofbud

03-21-2008, 12:10 PM

I'm praying that I missed something in the thread or that the notes haven't been fully released yet. Please tell me the VP loot revamp is coming in this patch.

Xethren

03-21-2008, 12:22 PM

"There are two new armored Wargs now available in Kunark, one bred for battle and one trained to better handle under pressure for those that choose to wield magic! You'll soon be able to get these riding beasts through your actions and adventures in that wild terrain!"Sweet. Looking forward to these! The sound like quest rewards.

Rashaak

03-21-2008, 12:27 PM

<cite>Choatley@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm praying that I missed something in the thread or that the notes haven't been fully released yet. Please tell me the VP loot revamp is coming in this patch. </blockquote>um...Its a preview...Just keep an eye on Test Note Updates if you need to know if thats being addressed...

ke'la

03-21-2008, 12:48 PM

<cite>Choatley@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm praying that I missed something in the thread or that the notes haven't been fully released yet. Please tell me the VP loot revamp is coming in this patch. </blockquote>First, this is just a preview and while importaint to Raiders a revamp of VP loot is hardly a "headline" iteam. In fact if it was not for the exseadingly long wait that Rangers have had to endure when it comes to the "Ammo" issue, really even that would not be headline news.We know they are working on upgrading VP loot, as they have stated as much. They also stated that it takes time to revamp the 100 or so differant loot iteams from VP, so it's very possable that it won't be comming with this GU.

Jethal

03-21-2008, 01:31 PM

For those who were not familiar with the "arrow issue".. Arrow levels work similar to any weapon.. if it's not suitable for the tier you're fighting in, they are Completely useless.. therefore rendering the Ranger's Epic Bow worthless in combat. Thank you VERY much for this fix.. you all ROCKNow if you could only either boost the stats on the epic bow to make it, actually better than the high end dropped bows.. we'd be doing cartwheels <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Amphibia

03-21-2008, 02:00 PM

<cite>Edit: Removing my comment. </cite>

Grimwell

03-21-2008, 02:06 PM

Hey folks,One or two of you are working hard to ensure that the image from Flames is posted in this thread. I'm going to move one instance of it to the existing EQ2Flames thread in the NGD as it's not related to this update. I will appreciate it if we can keep this post on track and focused on the update preview. Those that can't, will be given brief invitations to post on other parts of the internet. Forum drama and cross posting is not welcome. Thank you for understanding.

Dirty Jack Rackham

03-21-2008, 02:10 PM

<cite>AvatarJay wrote:</cite><blockquote>To be honest, "Rangers, you've been heard!" just made me sick. Those devs picking out their favorism classes. Several classes are severe broken, including my character's class, Coercer. Have you been listening to others or just to those favorism classes? I would like to know before I sick myself out of the game.What to looking forward if the EQ2 doesn't improve anything except for Ranger, WOOT I am happy for them. Hello?Just disappointed consumer playing the EQ2, sad indeed.</blockquote>Rangers? Aeralik's FAVORITES? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA **deep breath** HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA**wheezes** HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA **Collaspes in a heap on the floor **I think you have us confused with some other predator class my friend. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />It's not just arrows, it's ALL ammo that is affected. As has been stated already, the ammo problem affects all people who can use any form of ranged weapon. It just affects us more due to our heavy reliance on our bows and autoattack damage. We've been on the devs about this for over a year now. It's only very recently that our voices seem to have been heard. I feel for you and your plight Avatar Jay. I have read the posts and I am aware that Coercers are definatly in need of some serious help, but don't begruge Rangers this bone.

Domino

03-21-2008, 02:12 PM

<blockquote>Not to be outdone by their Qeynosian counterparts, the Coalition of Tradesfolke in West Freeport is in the process of refurbishing their headquarters to provide more convenient facilities for crafters under the scrutinizing eye of Lord Lucan.</blockquote>Pfft, this is of course the most interesting part of the preview! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />*hides* <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

RhyssaFireheart

03-21-2008, 02:16 PM

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>Not to be outdone by their Qeynosian counterparts, the Coalition of Tradesfolke in West Freeport is in the process of refurbishing their headquarters to provide more convenient facilities for crafters under the scrutinizing eye of Lord Lucan.</blockquote>Pfft, this is of course the most interesting part of the preview! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" />*hides* <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></blockquote>QFT!! Running up and down all those stairs trying to craft in FP was a major PITA. I'd thought Qeynos setup was bad before until I went back to the FP PvP character and started up my crafting again. Ugh. I'd forgotten how horribly laid out those craft instances were. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /><cite>Raistin@Crushbone wrote:</cite><cite></cite><blockquote>if they put in the part of the dev giving his live guild exploit info and telling them to use it and he will turn a blind eye, that would have been the best part.</blockquote>Why don't you take the dead horse to the NGD thread and continue turning it into goo there instead of trying to jump the tracks in this unrelated thread?

DobyMT

03-21-2008, 02:17 PM

RaistNA

03-21-2008, 02:21 PM

mr community guy, link the thread to us please.

RaistNA

03-21-2008, 02:22 PM

mr community guy, link the thread to us please.

Domino

03-21-2008, 02:23 PM

All my multiple personalities agree this is an improvement for Freeport! But the voices in my head tell me they are looking forward to playing in Hate too. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />I haven't actually even seen the zone yet so I can't wait for those preview pictures either!

DobyMT

03-21-2008, 02:26 PM

<cite>Raistin@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>mr community guy, link the thread to us please.</blockquote><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=1050&topic_id=409272#4601433" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...=409272#4601433</a>

Archonix

03-21-2008, 02:29 PM

Lariu

03-21-2008, 02:31 PM

<cite>Archonix wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Choatley@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm praying that I missed something in the thread or that the notes haven't been fully released yet. Please tell me the VP loot revamp is coming in this patch. </blockquote><div>/shakes the Magic 8-Ball</div><div></div>"All signs point to yes"</blockquote>Details please!

Domino

03-21-2008, 02:38 PM

<cite>Lariuss wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Archonix wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Choatley@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm praying that I missed something in the thread or that the notes haven't been fully released yet. Please tell me the VP loot revamp is coming in this patch. </blockquote><div>/shakes the Magic 8-Ball</div><div></div>"All signs point to yes"</blockquote>Details please!</blockquote>Well, VP is being revamped into a group crafting zone, where level 70+ tradeskillers will be able to find instanced T8 harvesting nodes also. The named will remain for epic updates and stufrf, but will be non-aggro if your crafting level is over 75. Their loot is going to be changed to "chromatic reflective shards" which will have a 0.01% drop rate and crafters will be able to make them into fabled quality equipment using faction recipe books that will be available to those who've obtained 50,000 faction with at least three of the home city tradeskill societies ... I'm sure Gnobrin's next preview will have a few more details however. * *oh wait, it isn't April 1 yet ... never mind ... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Squeecha

03-21-2008, 02:40 PM

/thwaps Domino... with love of course.....Silly Halfling

Archonix

03-21-2008, 02:50 PM

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Well, VP is being revamped into a group crafting zone, where level 70+ tradeskillers will be able to find instanced T8 harvesting nodes also. The named will remain for epic updates and stufrf, but will be non-aggro if your crafting level is over 75. Their loot is going to be changed to "chromatic reflective shards" which will have a 0.001% drop rate and crafters will be able to make them into mythical quality equipment using faction recipe books that will be available to those who've obtained 50,001 faction with at least three of the home city tradeskill societies ... I'm sure Gnobrin's next preview will have a few more details however. </blockquote>Fixed it for you...and Confirmed!

ScubaEtte

03-21-2008, 02:54 PM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brom@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I see that the Shrink cloaks and the 4 year vet awards are still being thrown under the rug for us on the PVP servers. When are you going to do something about these items.Let us put them back in the LoN game if your not going to let us shrink with them.And give us a different 4 year vet award if we cant shrink with them as well.Just another way to say "bend over and take it like a man" to the pvp players. </blockquote>Now this is more like the type of post Grim was hoping for... WTG Brom. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />As for this issue, I am shure they are "looking into it" just like for the past 2-3 years they have been "looking into" fixing the Ranged Ammo issue (this is NOT just a Ranger issue, or for that matter an Arrow issue, though it effects both of those the most). At some point in the future, when they get around to it, I am shure they will address the /shrink issue, probly by making it so you can only shrink, so small, or adding the effects the Fae/Arasia glowball form has when shrunk, Stifle, no cast at all, no invis, etc. In other words make it completly usless, or down right deadly, in PvP but allow those on PvP servers to accually use the ablities in relitivly safe areas.</blockquote>Well as I see it, I have 20 more months to keep pestering SOE to do something about this. Beacuse that how long the "rangers" say it took them to fix "thier" issue. And I am not goin to let them. Lots of people spent lots of money on those items. And what do they get out of it? A cloak that does not do what SOE had originally released the card as. And a 4 year veteran award that is only for PvE servers. And it is all thanks to a few people that dont know how to tab target closest PvP target.

ReficulFonwaps

03-21-2008, 02:56 PM

<cite>DobyMT wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>Not to be outdone by their Qeynosian counterparts, the Coalition of Tradesfolke in West Freeport is in the process of refurbishing their headquarters to provide more convenient facilities for crafters under the scrutinizing eye of Lord Lucan.</blockquote>Pfft, this is of course the most interesting part of the preview! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />">*hides* <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />"></blockquote>Are you gonna post as your other account and agree with yourself?</blockquote>LOL, priceless!

Oakum

03-21-2008, 03:28 PM

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, VP is being revamped into a group crafting zone, where level 70+ tradeskillers will be able to find instanced T8 harvesting nodes also. The named will remain for epic updates and stufrf, but will be non-aggro if your crafting level is over 75. Their loot is going to be changed to "chromatic reflective shards" which will have a 0.01% drop rate and crafters will be able to make them into fabled quality equipment using faction recipe books that will be available to those who've obtained 50,000 faction with at least three of the home city tradeskill societies ... I'm sure Gnobrin's next preview will have a few more details however. * *oh wait, it isn't April 1 yet ... never mind ... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>I like it, we dont need to wait for april to put it in. Of course the question is from Archonix post is will there be increased rewards for having over 50 k faction with those societies?The post definitely made me smile especially when I think about all the self centered people who probably want to flame her for having some fun. Now on a serious note, while raid zones have been revamped ect, I am still waiting for the tradeskill side to get caught up on AA's. Only 140 behind at the moment but with a new expansion being started I can see the gap widening if not taken care of very soon (tm). What about the DPS deficit of wardens compared to fury's that has existed since KoS? It was balanced at the end of DoF and the big LU-13 revamp. LoL, I am sounding like some of those self centered people I just talked about. Forgive my wording and take the questions as simple questions without the frustration added.

Kegofbud

03-21-2008, 03:34 PM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Choatley@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm praying that I missed something in the thread or that the notes haven't been fully released yet. Please tell me the VP loot revamp is coming in this patch. </blockquote>First, this is just a preview and while importaint to Raiders a revamp of VP loot is hardly a "headline" iteam. In fact if it was not for the exseadingly long wait that Rangers have had to endure when it comes to the "Ammo" issue, really even that would not be headline news.We know they are working on upgrading VP loot, as they have stated as much. They also stated that it takes time to revamp the 100 or so differant loot iteams from VP, so it's very possable that it won't be comming with this GU. </blockquote>OMG I know. What's your point? I know what a damned preview is. My question was moot.

Kegofbud

03-21-2008, 03:39 PM

Kalyai

03-21-2008, 04:20 PM

<cite>Brom@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brom@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I see that the Shrink cloaks and the 4 year vet awards are still being thrown under the rug for us on the PVP servers. When are you going to do something about these items.Let us put them back in the LoN game if your not going to let us shrink with them.And give us a different 4 year vet award if we cant shrink with them as well.Just another way to say "bend over and take it like a man" to the pvp players. </blockquote>Now this is more like the type of post Grim was hoping for... WTG Brom. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15">As for this issue, I am shure they are "looking into it" just like for the past 2-3 years they have been "looking into" fixing the Ranged Ammo issue (this is NOT just a Ranger issue, or for that matter an Arrow issue, though it effects both of those the most). At some point in the future, when they get around to it, I am shure they will address the /shrink issue, probly by making it so you can only shrink, so small, or adding the effects the Fae/Arasia glowball form has when shrunk, Stifle, no cast at all, no invis, etc. In other words make it completly usless, or down right deadly, in PvP but allow those on PvP servers to accually use the ablities in relitivly safe areas.</blockquote>Well as I see it, I have 20 more months to keep pestering SOE to do something about this. Beacuse that how long the "rangers" say it took them to fix "thier" issue. And I am not goin to let them. Lots of people spent lots of money on those items. And what do they get out of it? A cloak that does not do what SOE had originally released the card as. And a 4 year veteran award that is only for PvE servers. And it is all thanks to a few people that dont know how to tab target closest PvP target.</blockquote>Brom, SOE has chosen to sweep this issue under the carpet, as they have done to many other issues that we PvPers have. Why? because we are the minority. They would rather reward exploiting test guilds by moving them to live servers, devs that allow exploits because it benefits their guild members, high end raid guilds that exploit by using strats handed to them on silver platters by the devs, and anyone else that knows how to kiss their butts.The fact of the matter is....SOE got their money from the people that wanted the shrink cloak from the LON game...and now they don't care. They refuse to acknowledge any complaint about it, no matter how politely it is posted in their forums, in PMs to them or even in the dev chat a few weeks back. I cornered multiple devs/producers and every one of them that had the decency to respond... pretty much said "I know nothing" which, after having shot them PMs and posted on the forums, and via /feedback and /petition and any other means necessary for weeks before that, I would think if they cared..they would have at least said "we are looking into it"They are not looking into it. They have stolen money from their customers and do not care. This is just one incident out of many that is ruining the game for many players. Brom, you are wasting your breath, your time, and your energy even attempting to get them to look at this issue. As far as they are concerned, it is already swept so far under the rug that it doesnt exist, that it is a figment of our imaginations.GG SOE...

ke'la

03-21-2008, 05:02 PM

<cite>Kalyai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brom@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brom@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I see that the Shrink cloaks and the 4 year vet awards are still being thrown under the rug for us on the PVP servers. When are you going to do something about these items.Let us put them back in the LoN game if your not going to let us shrink with them.And give us a different 4 year vet award if we cant shrink with them as well.Just another way to say "bend over and take it like a man" to the pvp players. </blockquote>Now this is more like the type of post Grim was hoping for... WTG Brom. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15">As for this issue, I am shure they are "looking into it" just like for the past 2-3 years they have been "looking into" fixing the Ranged Ammo issue (this is NOT just a Ranger issue, or for that matter an Arrow issue, though it effects both of those the most). At some point in the future, when they get around to it, I am shure they will address the /shrink issue, probly by making it so you can only shrink, so small, or adding the effects the Fae/Arasia glowball form has when shrunk, Stifle, no cast at all, no invis, etc. In other words make it completly usless, or down right deadly, in PvP but allow those on PvP servers to accually use the ablities in relitivly safe areas.</blockquote>Well as I see it, I have 20 more months to keep pestering SOE to do something about this. Beacuse that how long the "rangers" say it took them to fix "thier" issue. And I am not goin to let them. Lots of people spent lots of money on those items. And what do they get out of it? A cloak that does not do what SOE had originally released the card as. And a 4 year veteran award that is only for PvE servers. And it is all thanks to a few people that dont know how to tab target closest PvP target.</blockquote>Brom, SOE has chosen to sweep this issue under the carpet, as they have done to many other issues that we PvPers have. Why? because we are the minority. They would rather reward exploiting test guilds by moving them to live servers, devs that allow exploits because it benefits their guild members, high end raid guilds that exploit by using strats handed to them on silver platters by the devs, and anyone else that knows how to kiss their butts.The fact of the matter is....SOE got their money from the people that wanted the shrink cloak from the LON game...and now they don't care. They refuse to acknowledge any complaint about it, no matter how politely it is posted in their forums, in PMs to them or even in the dev chat a few weeks back. I cornered multiple devs/producers and every one of them that had the decency to respond... pretty much said "I know nothing" which, after having shot them PMs and posted on the forums, and via /feedback and /petition and any other means necessary for weeks before that, I would think if they cared..they would have at least said "we are looking into it"They are not looking into it. They have stolen money from their customers and do not care. This is just one incident out of many that is ruining the game for many players. Brom, you are wasting your breath, your time, and your energy even attempting to get them to look at this issue. As far as they are concerned, it is already swept so far under the rug that it doesnt exist, that it is a figment of our imaginations.GG SOE...</blockquote>You know alot of Rangers said the same thing about the arrow issue, and while this is not directly game effecting, it is a serious issue as alot of the shrink iteams are ones that people paid good money for. I personally think you guys should continue to pressure the devs on this subject until something is done. I was not accually harping on someone posting about this issue, I was just making a joke based on an Earlier Grim post about wanting to see the "usual drama" as aposed to the hate filled posts that where being posted befor. This issue, like the Coerser list of issues and the many others posted here are all importaint to the players that have them and they should continue to press for them, until they get a definate answer from the devs one way or the other, and as far as this issue goes there is no answer, so I would keep asking, eventually they will come to a desition and give you your answer, though you may not like it... as I origanally posted.

ke'la

03-21-2008, 05:09 PM

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lariuss wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Archonix wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Choatley@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm praying that I missed something in the thread or that the notes haven't been fully released yet. Please tell me the VP loot revamp is coming in this patch. </blockquote><div>/shakes the Magic 8-Ball</div><div></div>"All signs point to yes"</blockquote>Details please!</blockquote>Well, VP is being revamped into a group crafting zone, where level 70+ tradeskillers will be able to find instanced T8 harvesting nodes also. The named will remain for epic updates and stufrf, but will be non-aggro if your crafting level is over 75. Their loot is going to be changed to "chromatic reflective shards" which will have a 0.01% drop rate and crafters will be able to make them into fabled quality equipment using faction recipe books that will be available to those who've obtained 50,000 faction with at least three of the home city tradeskill societies ... I'm sure Gnobrin's next preview will have a few more details however. * *oh wait, it isn't April 1 yet ... never mind ... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>You evil, evil halfling you... you know Bristly's day is still 11 days away.... I dread what she is going to do on the accual day, if she can't even contain herself now. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Jardon

03-21-2008, 05:10 PM

Please do NOT change the 4 year reward from a shrink option in PVE (I don't care what you do in PVP, just as long as any change to the reward in PVP does not change the way the PVE shrink works). I like this option and unless it is debuffed by a mob, always have it running. I really like the fact that it "feels" like I am moving faster and it makes it much easier to see what is going on in those tight dungeon areas.Thanks

Elquinjena

03-21-2008, 05:17 PM

ack double post!move along ..

KerowynnKaotic

03-21-2008, 05:17 PM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>*snipped*</cite> Well, VP is being revamped into a group crafting zone, where level 70+ tradeskillers will be able to find instanced T8 harvesting nodes also. The named will remain for epic updates and stufrf, but will be non-aggro if your crafting level is over 75. Their loot is going to be changed to "chromatic reflective shards" which will have a 0.01% drop rate and crafters will be able to make them into fabled quality equipment using faction recipe books that will be available to those who've obtained 50,000 faction with at least three of the home city tradeskill societies ... I'm sure Gnobrin's next preview will have a few more details however. * *oh wait, it isn't April 1 yet ... never mind ... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>You evil, evil halfling you... you know Bristly's day is still 11 days away.... I dread what she is going to do on the accual day, if she can't even contain herself now. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>In Honor of Bristlebane, Domino is going to set back all of our Crafters to level 9 Artisan, for 1 day .. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />(kidding .. .. I hope)

Elquinjena

03-21-2008, 05:20 PM

<cite>Archonix wrote:</cite> <blockquote>/shakes the Magic 8-Ball</blockquote>*peers over your shoulder and watches, then clears throat*ahhh, you do know that if you shake it more than once your playing with it right?<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Kalyai

03-21-2008, 05:27 PM

<cite>Jardor@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please do NOT change the 4 year reward from a shrink option in PVE (I don't care what you do in PVP, just as long as any change to the reward in PVP does not change the way the PVE shrink works). I like this option and unless it is debuffed by a mob, always have it running. I really like the fact that it "feels" like I am moving faster and it makes it much easier to see what is going on in those tight dungeon areas.Thanks</blockquote>we dont want them to change the effect on the current one.. just give those of us on pvp a different OPTION for reward...since the one they gave us is useless.just like we want the LON cloak to be able to be sent back to LON so we can trade it for soemthing we can use instead of it just sitting in our inventory being useless.

ke'la

03-21-2008, 05:33 PM

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>*snipped*</cite> Well, VP is being revamped into a group crafting zone, where level 70+ tradeskillers will be able to find instanced T8 harvesting nodes also. The named will remain for epic updates and stufrf, but will be non-aggro if your crafting level is over 75. Their loot is going to be changed to "chromatic reflective shards" which will have a 0.01% drop rate and crafters will be able to make them into fabled quality equipment using faction recipe books that will be available to those who've obtained 50,000 faction with at least three of the home city tradeskill societies ... I'm sure Gnobrin's next preview will have a few more details however. * *oh wait, it isn't April 1 yet ... never mind ... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>You evil, evil halfling you... you know Bristly's day is still 11 days away.... I dread what she is going to do on the accual day, if she can't even contain herself now. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>In Honor of Bristlebane, Domino is going to set back all of our Crafters to level 9 Artisan, for 1 day .. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />(kidding .. .. I hope) </blockquote>Don't give her any Ideas Kaisha... there is no telling where it might lead. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

TwistedFaith

03-21-2008, 06:03 PM

<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey folks,One or two of you are working hard to ensure that the image from Flames is posted in this thread. I'm going to move one instance of it to the existing EQ2Flames thread in the NGD as it's not related to this update. I will appreciate it if we can keep this post on track and focused on the update preview. Those that can't, will be given brief invitations to post on other parts of the internet. Forum drama and cross posting is not welcome. Thank you for understanding.</blockquote>To be fair I think the people posting the image have every right to expect some sort of response to it from either the developer himself involved or whoever is running eq2 these days. Personally I find it amusing given the developers reputation but there you go.Back on topic, here's hoping SOH is a highend heroic zone, my alt zerker needs a few more AAs <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

ke'la

03-21-2008, 06:12 PM

<cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey folks,One or two of you are working hard to ensure that the image from Flames is posted in this thread. I'm going to move one instance of it to the existing EQ2Flames thread in the NGD as it's not related to this update. I will appreciate it if we can keep this post on track and focused on the update preview. Those that can't, will be given brief invitations to post on other parts of the internet. Forum drama and cross posting is not welcome. Thank you for understanding.</blockquote>To be fair I think the people posting the image have every right to expect some sort of response to it from either the developer himself involved or whoever is running eq2 these days. Personally I find it amusing given the developers reputation but there you go.Back on topic, here's hoping SOH is a highend heroic zone, my alt zerker needs a few more AAs <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>If SoH ends up being a highend heroic zone, SoE will be stormed by Pitchfork weilding Raiders... for good reason, it was promoused as a High End Raid zone that was accually do out befor RoK launched, granted I am shure the Raiders are willing to forgive the delay if the delay was do to them upscaling it from a High end T7 to a High End T8 Raid zone, but if the delay was caused by them turning it into a high end T8 heroic zone... well I know I would not want to be a SoE CSR when that info hits.

Aneova

03-21-2008, 09:01 PM

Posted under Test Server<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=412209" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=412209</a>Enjoy all you folks who were scouring for update notes, those are for TEST SERVER.

Jeepned2

03-21-2008, 09:11 PM

Umm just read the test notes. Didn't see Coercer mentioned once. Although at this point not sure if that is a good or bad thing. But I guess our consolidated list of problems didn't carry much weight either.

TwistedFaith

03-21-2008, 09:15 PM

Nice to see some ranger loving in there, in particular the procs from various other classes now working on ranged. Oh and as a fromer ranger I fully agree with all the calls for Coercer loving, switched from a coercer to a illusionist as the coercer class is simply broken.

Tokam

03-22-2008, 07:50 AM

<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ease up on the negativity folks. You don't want me moderating after midnight. Apply the golden rule and say nice things that our mothers would approve of, or elect not to participate in the conversation. It's the nice thing to do.</blockquote>And thats why this site will never be as good or as popular as flames. There all sides of a discussion are welcome, here they are not.

Dirty Jack Rackham

03-22-2008, 09:21 AM

<cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nice to see some ranger loving in there, in particular the procs from various other classes now working on ranged. Oh and as a fromer ranger I fully agree with all the calls for Coercer loving, switched from a coercer to a illusionist as the coercer class is simply broken.</blockquote>And all reports put the fix as a nerf. Ranged damage is even lower now. yay.

Kurokage

03-22-2008, 10:15 AM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kurogo@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>SoH- Can't wait to check it out, whether its a raid zone or not. Though I would wonder why it would be made a raid zone(not saying another one wouldn't be cool) when SoF isn't. It gives me the impression Innurok is tougher then Cazic...My god can beat up Your god! Either way, it sounds interesting and the spill over to the rest of norrath outta be fun, I look forward to spreading the hate! Mwahahahaha!Ranged weapons - eh, both of my highest level toons are Monk and Brig, and both use thrown weapons to capitalize on CAs, so not terribly interested in the new graphics effect or the ammo issue, but for those that enjoy this change....cheers.Accually the miss named "arrow" issue, effects you to, as the issue effect ALL ammo, including thrown weopons. Its just that the issue is more ovious with arrows and effects Rangers the most, because Rangers get the vast majority of thier DPS from ranged attacks and as such spend alot of time figuring out how to maximise thier ranged damage. Monks and Rouges really don't care too much about ranged damage, wich is why you don't see people talking about thrown ammo having the same issue, eventhough it does.CoT refurbishing - w/e, I mostly craft in EFP with my alchy, or neriak if I am near my house. Would like to see fuel become available in houses to help make them more viable crafting locations.More armored wargs - bleh, if they are quested, maybe I'll do the quest. But I don't really like the warg look for my toons, so probably won't keep em.So far I am looking forward to 1 of the upcoming changes, the rest is a bit mediocre imho. But since this is a preview I'll wait to see what else is coming.</blockquote></blockquote>Seems like you still get the general idea I had. Brigs aren't known to top the charts with Ranged DPS, and I mostly use my Ranged CA while jousting between timers. If it increases my DPS a lil bit then cool, but overall I don't expect to feel much of a difference with the new ammo change on my Brig or my monk.

Spyderbite

03-23-2008, 09:14 PM

I want to thank a couple of the contributors to this thread for an enjoyable read. I leave for two days and when I return, I'm greeted with a 6 page thread chuck full of personal insults, insinuations and over all exaggerated assumptions. *thumbs up* <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />In the meant time I can't get the update page to open. Tried it in 3 different browsers. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Windowlicker

03-23-2008, 09:21 PM

Hey, being unhappy with stupid patches is a bannable offense.Better watch it.

Anekuh

03-24-2008, 01:19 AM

<cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here's a little of what's in store for you in <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=1619&section=News&locale=en_US" target="_blank">Game Update 44!</a> ~Gnobrin!</blockquote>"Rangers, you've been heard! Upcoming in Game Update 44, ranged ammunition will be adjusted to have a minimum level that represents the start of that ammunition's tier! Ranged weapons will no longer scale down to a lower level unless the ammunition you've chosen to use is significantly lower than your presently equipped ranged weapon."Yea right. From what I've seen, we are getting nerfed again thanks to Aeralik.WE HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sinista

03-24-2008, 09:08 AM

just a quick question...are we going to lose master spells when you remove exile faction on the pvp server with LU44? or can we just chose a faction and keep them?

Saev

03-24-2008, 01:25 PM

"There are two new armored Wargs now available in Kunark, one bred for battle and one trained to better handle under pressure for those that choose to wield magic! You'll soon be able to get these riding beasts through your actions and adventures in that wild terrain!" Since you are introducing new Wargs, I was wondering if you were planning to fix the run speed problem at the same time?I'm not talking about the backing up speed, I know that is a 'feature'. I'm talking about the inability of wargs (and probably horses) to run after breaking combat through /yell, evac or quest mechanism (e.g. capturing the frogloks).For the moment I don't really care as I have 3 characters with Earrings of Solstice and one with SoW, but for future reference, I'm curious.

Aneova

03-25-2008, 05:10 PM

So when does GU44 go live?

Calthine

03-25-2008, 05:52 PM

<cite>Orpheus666 wrote:</cite><blockquote>So when does GU44 go live?</blockquote>I haven't seen a date yet. There's usually one a month. Probably Soon(tm)

guillero

03-26-2008, 06:19 AM

My god. You raiding folk are a sad bunch!Crying about a sertain site getting a preview and you don't.What the hell are we talking about here? It's a [Removed for Content]' game! Tjeez.Grow up!EDIT: This refering to the first 2 pages.

sinista

03-27-2008, 11:30 AM

so whats the deal with our masters? will we keep them or not? need to know before I betray over and lose it all...

Themaginator

03-29-2008, 03:37 AM

this poor little EQ2flames posters, they are livid now.why do they even play?Neat updateLike the Hate stuff and the new questsalso yay for the VP revamp

Tiegar

04-04-2008, 02:56 PM

Recently, within the past few days when I've seen the announcements about this update, I thought "Cool, another zone sort of like Shard of Fear." Then, I was informed by another player in game last night that the Shard of Hate is a high level raid zone. Well, that pretty much burst my bubble of interest and excitement.Considering the population of all the servers, I'm wondering what percentage of that population will ever see such zones as this? My guess is, the percentage is fairly low, so when running a business, which frankly, this game is, doesn't it make sense to provide content that the majority of the population can enjoy rather than an elete few?Rather than complaining about this stuff, I'd rather be constructive, and provide ideas which will provide a possibility of introducing content that more people will enjoy, so, if any of you out there in SoE offices are reading this, consider who pays your wages, and provide us with content we all can enjoy. Not everyone belongs to an ubber raiding guild, and not everyone wants to belong to an ubber raiding guild either because in my experience, those guilds are more like a job than an opportunity to play and have fun.I would suggest an option menu when clicking to enter this zone, to choose between a Heroic version, or an Epic version of the zone, and having appropriate drops for those different levels of difficulty.Thanks.

Chips

04-04-2008, 10:10 PM

ok, my reply to this is...who cares?why?...cause there are multitudes of things wrong with this game that have been wrong for years, and now we will see yet another new fragment of a long beaten dead horse world, that has revealed itself to be getting worse graphicly, rushed through with every new expansion. and strung out with tired and rambling lore.i would rather this game revert more to what it was when i first started playing, a challenge not only for the T8 top tier PC zombies , but the 1x week log on part time players as well , lvling your new bruiser or sk alt class 20 lvls in 3 hours of casual play isnt cool , its feeble. a new expansion indeed, fix what ya got first.

Jeepned2

04-04-2008, 10:12 PM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>AvatarJay wrote:</cite><blockquote>To be honest, "Rangers, you've been heard!" just made me sick. Those devs picking out their favorism classes. Several classes are severe broken, including my character's class, Coercer. Have you been listening to others or just to those favorism classes? I would like to know before I sick myself out of the game.What to looking forward if the EQ2 doesn't improve anything except for Ranger, WOOT I am happy for them. Hello?Just disappointed consumer playing the EQ2, sad indeed.</blockquote>You know the Ranger issue has taken almost 3 years "to be heard" so I don't think calling them the "Dev favoret" is fair. Also there is talk of other combat mechanics changes to other classes, so who knows maybe Coercers will have some of thier issues addressed, or it's possable that they hate all Coercers and have a massive nerf planed that will drive the few remaining away, I guess we will have to wait for the Test Center Notes to be published, to find out.</blockquote>Look at the Dev postings. How many times have you had a dev post on the Ranger site? Numerous. How many times on the Coercer site. Not once in 3 years. And the one post by "Community Relations" on the Coercer site means nothing, zero, zip. We have had issues since LU11. Not one thing has been addressed since then other then nerfs. So congrats to you finally getting fixed...but I'll kiss your @## the day they finally fix the Coercers.