Sorry devs, but Charme's Way is ugly!

[ZerkerDwarf]

<p>The most epic weapons are ugly. Those moving parts and fluffy stuff makes them look like plastic toys. Esp. the very rediculous templar hammer... or whatever it is meant to be.</p><p>Once aquired, probably 95% of those players will ("have to&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> keep them until level 90. So such weapons should really have an optics pleasing the eye. Exaggeration looks amazing at the first glance only but for the rest of all time it is just annoying.</p><p>Sure, the epics should look extraordinary. But often less really is more. A piratish sabre with a lightly curved blade with some light/particle effects would be perfect.</p><p>Since the swashi is my main I am most concerned about his weapon.</p><p>Why the heck couldn't this weapon be a good auld lightly curved piratish looking sabre (don't mean an ugly falchion!)? I really don't understand why this geometry was removed from the game at all. This geometry looks so perfectly for a piratish swashbuckler. The geometry is still in the game: NPCs wear it and some low tier sell-loot. But it has been removed from the craft recipes without any reason and unfortunately no sensible T8 loot looks like that.</p><p>Somehow the current swashi epic also looks a bit suiting the class but it isn't a faintest match for the curved blade sabre. It is really a pity. Since that mentioned sabre geometry has been removed from the game, it would be perfect for the epic weapon due to the rareness of its look out there.</p><p>The current swasbuckler epic needle is just disappointing optically. Turn it into a non-needelish but piratish sabre!</p>

[Shiverr]

<p>While its certainly not perfect, its not that bad either.  At least it is a unique graphic.  I do concur that the spinning blade is sophomoric and less definately is more in this case.  Spinning blades for a swashbuckler.... bleh.  Perhaps if it were just the small blades around the handleguard spinning that wouldnt be so bad.</p><p>The overall look, however is one that you can see being fitting for a swashbuckler.  I think that if pictures of each Epic were posted up without description you could pick Charms Way out as a swashbuckler/rogue epic by appearance/feel.  While I wouldnt have a problem with more of a piratish appearance as you suggest, not all swashies have that in mind, so I believe it has a more universal appeal.</p><p>Asides from asthetics however, I was slightly letdown with the stats for something "Epic."  Probably even more so after beating that stooopidly hard pirate encounter.</p>

[Dreadpatch]

I like it TBH. My Guild Leaders Bruiser epic looks ridiculous imho

[Faenril]

When my warden friend got his epic, I thought it was a bow at first. Ours is far from being the worst <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[AScarlato]

I like the view on Charm's Way.  Thumbs up from me. *shrugs*  I don't really RP a pirate though.  My character has nothing to do with Piracy.

[m0ya]

<cite>AScarlato wrote:</cite><blockquote> My character has nothing to do with Piracy.</blockquote>Yes your character has everything to do with piracy cause you play a mf'ing SWASHBUCKLER.And yes, the look is UGLY, it's a rotating chicken rotissery. Almost NO particle effect whatsoever!The ICON doesn't even have a glowy aura like EVERY OTHER CLASSES!COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AScarlato]

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swashbuckler" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swashbuckler</a></p><p>Try again.</p><p>And you have a right to your opinion, those of us who like it have a right to ours.</p>

[ZerkerDwarf]

<cite>m0ya wrote:</cite><blockquote> it's a rotating chicken rotissery</blockquote>Lol, that's a good destription of what it looks like.

[m0ya]

<cite>AScarlato wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swashbuckler" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swashbuckler</a></p><p>Try again.</p><p>And you have a right to your opinion, those of us who like it have a right to ours.</p></blockquote>I doubt SOE based the swashbuckler class on Wikipedia.... + Swashbuckler are a subclass of the Rogue Class...

[AScarlato]

<p>You're logic is flawed and reasoning ignorant.</p><p>A Pirate is a type of rogue.  Pirates in recent popular culture (some at least) have been Swashbuckler-esque, but that does not mean that the majority of pirates aren't actually quite thuggish, unshaven, and rather brutal (and not flashy) in their murderous designs to get what they want.  This is why BRIGANDS can also be Pirates, along with Swashbucklers.  Will you also argue that all Brigands are pirates too?</p><p>Also, fencing today has nothing to do with pirates.  Again while in popular media, Orlando Bloom in Pirates of the Carribean will fence, in reality, most people that engage in the study of fencing are/were either nobles or just people with an eccentric hobby.  You cannot say that all or even most fencers are Pirates.  This is why Fencing is an entirely separate designation, and is not dependent on one being a pirate.</p><p>So your arguement that a Swashbuckler is a type of rogue, which means that all swashbucklers are pirates is flawed.  A swashbuckler can be a type of Rogue.  But so is a Pirate.  Not all swashbucklers have to take up Piracy as a profession. </p><p> Our epic quest focused on pirates, but one can also say that our epic quest had components for the other types of Rogues as well.  </p><p> 1.  In EQ1, Rogues where thieves and assassins, and not pirates at all.  EQ1 rogues had to sneak into Neriak for Ragebringer.  In EQ2, Swashbucklers also have to sneak through Neriak to buy poisons.  Hence a Swashbuckler can be a Thief.</p><p>2.  The Wedding instance.  Here this supports the role of the Swashbuckler as saving the girl, which again is not dependent on piracy.  </p><p> Unless there was a wave of pretty-boy pirates (Swashbucklers), I fail to see how all Swashbucklers are Pirates.  In fact, even in popular media, usually only 1 or 2 main character Pirates are even charsimatic at all.  Even the rest of the "Good Guys" are usually a more traditional breed of dirty, uneducated and unkept pirate.</p><p>Thanks.</p>

[Zarafein]

<p>Yes swashbuckler doesn't mean pirate.</p><p>I would like the epic appearance without the spinning blade effect.</p>

[Kram337]

<cite>AScarlato wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You're logic is flawed and reasoning ignorant.</p><p>A Pirate is a type of rogue.  Pirates in recent popular culture (some at least) have been Swashbuckler-esque, but that does not mean that the majority of pirates aren't actually quite thuggish, unshaven, and rather brutal (and not flashy) in their murderous designs to get what they want.  This is why BRIGANDS can also be Pirates, along with Swashbucklers.  Will you also argue that all Brigands are pirates too?</p><p>Also, fencing today has nothing to do with pirates.  Again while in popular media, Orlando Bloom in Pirates of the Carribean will fence, in reality, most people that engage in the study of fencing are/were either nobles or just people with an eccentric hobby.  You cannot say that all or even most fencers are Pirates.  This is why Fencing is an entirely separate designation, and is not dependent on one being a pirate.</p><p>So your arguement that a Swashbuckler is a type of rogue, which means that all swashbucklers are pirates is flawed.  A swashbuckler can be a type of Rogue.  But so is a Pirate.  Not all swashbucklers have to take up Piracy as a profession. </p><p> Our epic quest focused on pirates, but one can also say that our epic quest had components for the other types of Rogues as well.  </p><p> 1.  In EQ1, Rogues where thieves and assassins, and not pirates at all.  EQ1 rogues had to sneak into Neriak for Ragebringer.  In EQ2, Swashbucklers also have to sneak through Neriak to buy poisons.  Hence a Swashbuckler can be a Thief.</p><p>2.  The Wedding instance.  Here this supports the role of the Swashbuckler as saving the girl, which again is not dependent on piracy.  </p><p> Unless there was a wave of pretty-boy pirates (Swashbucklers), I fail to see how all Swashbucklers are Pirates.  In fact, even in popular media, usually only 1 or 2 main character Pirates are even charsimatic at all.  Even the rest of the "Good Guys" are usually a more traditional breed of dirty, uneducated and unkept pirate.</p><p>Thanks.</p></blockquote>Well put. Somebody just got owned <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[OutcastBlade]

<p>Swashbucklers can be pirates though. </p><p>Look at Princess Bride.</p>

[AegisCrown]

does it matter id use the weapon if it looked like a popsicle or a terd on a stickuse the weapon and be happy, just keep feed backing weapon appearance slots

[Zin`Car]

<cite>m0ya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>AScarlato wrote:</cite><blockquote> My character has nothing to do with Piracy.</blockquote>Yes your character has everything to do with piracy cause you play a mf'ing SWASHBUCKLER.And yes, the look is UGLY, it's a rotating chicken rotissery. Almost NO particle effect whatsoever!The ICON doesn't even have a glowy aura like EVERY OTHER CLASSES!COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</blockquote><p>umm.. sorry you guys, i agree with the discontent about the "spinning" theme which every other epic seems to have, however the assassin epic beats you hands down for worst looking, most unimaginative design in the game for epics.  And our mythical particle effect looks like dripping jam...  Oh btw our epic's animation only happens when we're dead...  ya, the tip of the blade twitches when we're dead.  that's what we get.  animation when we're dead.  Sure, the blade does sort of separate to make it look like Shazam's lightning bolt but it was about a month before anyone even noticed that actually happened.</p><p>So um, yay... be happy you didn't get a dammed butter knife with jam like we did.</p>

[kimopo]

<cite>AScarlato wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You're logic is flawed and reasoning ignorant.</p><p>A Pirate is a type of rogue.  Pirates in recent popular culture (some at least) have been Swashbuckler-esque, but that does not mean that the majority of pirates aren't actually quite thuggish, unshaven, and rather brutal (and not flashy) in their murderous designs to get what they want.  This is why BRIGANDS can also be Pirates, along with Swashbucklers.  Will you also argue that all Brigands are pirates too?</p><p>Also, fencing today has nothing to do with pirates.  Again while in popular media, Orlando Bloom in Pirates of the Carribean will fence, in reality, most people that engage in the study of fencing are/were either nobles or just people with an eccentric hobby.  You cannot say that all or even most fencers are Pirates.  This is why Fencing is an entirely separate designation, and is not dependent on one being a pirate.</p><p>So your arguement that a Swashbuckler is a type of rogue, which means that all swashbucklers are pirates is flawed.  A swashbuckler can be a type of Rogue.  But so is a Pirate.  Not all swashbucklers have to take up Piracy as a profession. </p><p> Our epic quest focused on pirates, but one can also say that our epic quest had components for the other types of Rogues as well.  </p><p> 1.  In EQ1, Rogues where thieves and assassins, and not pirates at all.  EQ1 rogues had to sneak into Neriak for Ragebringer.  In EQ2, Swashbucklers also have to sneak through Neriak to buy poisons.  Hence a Swashbuckler can be a Thief.</p><p>2.  The Wedding instance.  Here this supports the role of the Swashbuckler as saving the girl, which again is not dependent on piracy.  </p><p> Unless there was a wave of pretty-boy pirates (Swashbucklers), I fail to see how all Swashbucklers are Pirates.  In fact, even in popular media, usually only 1 or 2 main character Pirates are even charsimatic at all.  Even the rest of the "Good Guys" are usually a more traditional breed of dirty, uneducated and unkept pirate.</p><p>Thanks.</p></blockquote>Just eh... wondering... but... about walk the plank?

[liveja]

<p>I don't know about the Fabled version, but I saw the Mythical version last night, & it looked sooooooo good I nearly messed my pants.</p><p>It's especially ubah-sexeh on me, but that's no surprise <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Edit: I'd just like to reiterate that I am <b>not</b> a greasy, foul-smelling, flea-ridden, poxy, unkempt pirate. I am a loyal member of the Queen's Guard, never failing! & no I don't have an ability called "Walk The Plank" ... for me, it's called "Turn Around, Knave!"</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[kimopo]

<cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don't know about the Fabled version, but I saw the Mythical version last night, & it looked sooooooo good I nearly messed my pants.</p><p>It's especially ubah-sexeh on me, but that's no surprise <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Edit: I'd just like to reiterate that I am <b>not</b> a greasy, foul-smelling, flea-ridden, poxy, unkempt pirate. I am a loyal member of the Queen's Guard, never failing! & no I don't have an ability called "Walk The Plank" ... for me, it's called "Turn Around, Knave!"</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>Not everyone has the cunning to be a pirate, but we forgive you. If you really do need to follow the queens every order, well... i hope that works out for you.

[liveja]

<cite>kimopo wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you really do need to follow the queens every order</blockquote><p>There's a difference between "never failing" & feeling bound to follow the Queen's every order. After all, she doesn't need to know <b>every</b> little detail of how her instructions are implemented, does she? I'm sure she has many other things to worry about -- weighty statecrafty stuff! -- than the actions of one of her agents.</p><p>Especially one as obviously loyal -- not to mention devilishly handsome, cunning, & charming -- as I am.</p>

[AegisCrown]

i hope we get to kill the queen

[Sylphier]

Well, I don't see my little halfling as a pirate. I think if you look at the racial choices the halflings have the best stats and abilities for the swashbuckling class, but if you read the in game book History of the Halflings it tells you that halflings are scared to death of sailing and don't go anywhere near the ocean. Kind of interesting that a good aligned race, known for it's roguish qualities, would also be afraid of water.

[Ujina]

<cite>kimopo wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Just eh... wondering... but... about walk the plank?</blockquote>And what about the class hat ? It doesn't look like a pirate hat ?<img src="http://www.micro-mosaic.com/images/musketeer_micromosaic_micro-mosaic.jpg" alt="" border="0" />This musketeer looks more like an EQ2 swash in my opinion...

[NiteWolfe]

<cite>Mitch@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, I don't see my little halfling as a pirate. <span style="color: #cc0000;"><b>I think if you look at the racial choices the halflings have the best stats and abilities for the swashbuckling class,</b></span> but if you read the in game book History of the Halflings it tells you that halflings are scared to death of sailing and don't go anywhere near the ocean. Kind of interesting that a good aligned race, known for it's roguish qualities, would also be afraid of water.</blockquote> Explain that please? The only stat that matters to a swashy IE a melee class is str and at end game with diminished returns 15 or so str from race one way or the other doesnt matter. That leaves racial abilities. and dark elfs have the best melee racial. SO for min maxing dark elfs would make the best swashy.

[AegisCrown]

<cite>NiteWolfe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mitch@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, I don't see my little halfling as a pirate. <span style="color: #cc0000;"><b>I think if you look at the racial choices the halflings have the best stats and abilities for the swashbuckling class,</b></span> but if you read the in game book History of the Halflings it tells you that halflings are scared to death of sailing and don't go anywhere near the ocean. Kind of interesting that a good aligned race, known for it's roguish qualities, would also be afraid of water.</blockquote> Explain that please? The only stat that matters to a swashy IE a melee class is str and at end game with diminished returns 15 or so str from race one way or the other doesnt matter. That leaves racial abilities. and dark elfs have the best melee racial. SO for min maxing dark elfs would make the best swashy.</blockquote>you have to consider that certain races have increased poison trigger counts, double attack, melee crit nobus, or have awesome short term buffs that impact our class.   dark elves, ratongas, halflings, and maybe froglocks are the best races for our class

[Ocello]

I'd have to agree that the swashy Epic is ugly.  I see my swashy (Qylos) as more of a Musketeer than a pirate.  However I would also consider Drizzt Do'Urden a swashbuckler as well Jarlaxle (my toon is a DE; call me cookie-cutter).  But at lvl 47 I have always used the MC Karabela weapon because it's graphic best suits what I am looking for.  The scimitar is too fat and not agile-looking, as is the falchion.  And as much as I see myself as a musketeer, I do not like the graphic of the Vulian Foil of the Deep as no sane person would ever dual-wield foils.  Mainly because it is lame.I do like the idea of weapon app slots tho...but could my monk use a bo staff graphic when he is DWing his epic and RFK?

[Sylphier]

<cite>NiteWolfe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mitch@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, I don't see my little halfling as a pirate. <span style="color: #cc0000;"><b>I think if you look at the racial choices the halflings have the best stats and abilities for the swashbuckling class,</b></span> but if you read the in game book History of the Halflings it tells you that halflings are scared to death of sailing and don't go anywhere near the ocean. Kind of interesting that a good aligned race, known for it's roguish qualities, would also be afraid of water.</blockquote> Explain that please? The only stat that matters to a swashy IE a melee class is str and at end game with diminished returns 15 or so str from race one way or the other doesnt matter. That leaves racial abilities. and dark elfs have the best melee racial. SO for min maxing dark elfs would make the best swashy.</blockquote>our racial attack is a piercing offensive debuff just like lung puncture. We also have increased poison proc counts. Halflings are qeynos, swash is qeynos... ya DE would work the best but they are FP. Halflings were meant to be good aligned rogues, and the good aligned rogue is a swash. I don't think this really takes much explanation.

[OutcastBlade]

But then, I have never seen a halfling swashy.Halflings suck and are ugly.Dark Elf f..t..w..Our racial buff, increases attack speed, DA, MC, etc for 30 seconds. I use that with Insight, and it rocks for dps.

[Sylphier]

<cite>Kanolth@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>But then, I have never seen a halfling swashy.Halflings suck and are ugly.Dark Elf f..t..w..Our racial buff, increases attack speed, DA, MC, etc for 30 seconds. I use that with Insight, and it rocks for dps.</blockquote>you are ugly

[Argul]

<cite>m0ya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>The ICON doesn't even have a glowy aura like EVERY OTHER CLASSES!</blockquote>Yeah, that was most disappointing IMO <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ZachSpastic]

<cite>Coel@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>NiteWolfe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mitch@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, I don't see my little halfling as a pirate. <span style="color: #cc0000;"><b>I think if you look at the racial choices the halflings have the best stats and abilities for the swashbuckling class,</b></span> but if you read the in game book History of the Halflings it tells you that halflings are scared to death of sailing and don't go anywhere near the ocean. Kind of interesting that a good aligned race, known for it's roguish qualities, would also be afraid of water.</blockquote> Explain that please? The only stat that matters to a swashy IE a melee class is str and at end game with diminished returns 15 or so str from race one way or the other doesnt matter. That leaves racial abilities. and dark elfs have the best melee racial. SO for min maxing dark elfs would make the best swashy.</blockquote>you have to consider that certain races have increased poison trigger counts, double attack, melee crit nobus, or have awesome short term buffs that impact our class.   dark elves, ratongas, halflings, and maybe froglocks are the best races for our class</blockquote><p>I tried playing a dark elf, but there is a problem at character creation where I click on Male, but all I get is a female girly man model and the best I can make of him, or her, or whatever, is a blue skinned <a href="http://sp6.fotologs.net/photo/22/34/76/alissongothz/1184463874_f.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Boy George</a>. Ratongas are dirty rats, and make good Brigands, but don't cut it as Swashbucklers. Halflings make good pie. Froglocks? Let's not go there, okay?</p><p>The best race for Swashbuckler is Half Elf. After all, if you're not a sexy Half Elf, what's the point?</p>

[Dreadpatch]

Umm... Gnomes... Gnomes is the correct answer. There is not better race for just about any class in the game, but especially the swashbuckler. I don't really care about abilities, they just rule.

[OutcastBlade]

<cite>Mitch@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kanolth@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>But then, I have never seen a halfling swashy.Halflings suck and are ugly.Dark Elf f..t..w..Our racial buff, increases attack speed, DA, MC, etc for 30 seconds. I use that with Insight, and it rocks for dps.</blockquote>you are ugly</blockquote>No... You are ugly.ZachSpastic: Dark Elves with the old models look like Michael Jackson, and they have hairstyles that rival the females of any species. I will give you that. SOGA Dark Elves tho, they are the most manly looking models out there. They make my heart flutter.... ahem.Charm's Way by the way is an awesome looking weapon. I don't mind the bottle opener effect the slightest... There I kinda kept this thread on topic.

[Mr. Dawki]

Trade with the assassin grafic. We'll take the "OMGZ IT SPINS" and you can have the "Strawberry Jelly Knife"

[liveja]

<cite>ZachSpastic wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ratongas are dirty rats, and make good Brigands, but don't cut it as Swashbucklers.</blockquote><p>Knowing what I know now, if I could change my Swashy's race & keep him at level 80, I'd switch to Ratonga in less than half a heartbeat.</p><p>I don't care what their bonuses are. Put them in a cloak & feathered, floppy hat, & they are the uber-awesome looking Swashies. & seriously, if you can't look uber-awesome as a Swashy ... /wrists.</p>

[ZachSpastic]

<cite>Kanolth@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>  ZachSpastic: Dark Elves with the old models look like Michael Jackson, and they have hairstyles that rival the females of any species. I will give you that. SOGA Dark Elves tho, they are the most manly looking models out there. They make my heart flutter.... ahem.</blockquote>Please seek the professional services of a licensed optometrist. You are very obviously in desperate need of vision correcting lenses.On topic: I suggest that anyone who is unhappy with the graphic for Charm's Way take a look at the poo-on-a-stick graphic the Mystics got. You will then feel so much better.

[ZachSpastic]

<cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ZachSpastic wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ratongas are dirty rats, and make good Brigands, but don't cut it as Swashbucklers.</blockquote><p>Knowing what I know now, if I could change my Swashy's race & keep him at level 80, I'd switch to Ratonga in less than half a heartbeat.</p><p>I don't care what their bonuses are. Put them in a cloak & feathered, floppy hat, & they are the uber-awesome looking Swashies. & seriously, if you can't look uber-awesome as a Swashy ... /wrists.</p></blockquote>I'll agree that Rats did get some very nice racials in the racial <strike>screwup</strike> revamp. But, sexeh they are not. The most important thing that a Swashbuckler brings to any group or raid is teh sexeh buff. Raids with insufficient sexeh wipe.