Devout v. Vanguard nowadays

[Gehemnishthex]

I'm coming up on 60 soon, I'm an armorer so I can make my own xegonite armor when i get around to skilling up enough. For my AA's i've done reaver, working on hate, have agility (for trample) and int (for spell crit) so far. (I may trade agility out for stamina later on in life for divine aura and hammer ground). I don't raid really, I mainly tank for my group of friends, pugs, or the rare random pickup raid.Should I go for Devout or Vanguard?All the old threads I read hinged on devout being ugly as sin so most folks went with vanguard. Now that we have the appearance tab, the uglyness isn't that bad.is the lack of avoidance from less agility on the devout set a big deal? I know I'd love more power and more int for spell damage, but I'm worried i'll be less tanky.Any advice?

[Mathafern]

If you tank for groups, and can hold aggro, then vanguard is the best set for the 60's IMO. That's the tank's job, hold aggro, take the hit.  DPS is tertiary at best. When you hit 72 you'll have a whole new question, is the +CA/+SD worth the loss of agi vs vanguards mere +CA. The answer there is get a good healer and go devout until you can get decent drops.

[Gehemnishthex]

<cite>Mathafern@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote> is the +CA/+SD worth the loss of agi vs vanguards mere +CA. </blockquote>what is +CA +SD?i'm a bit out of it, I last played around a year ago. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Karlen]

<span class="postbody">>>>what is +CA +SD?<<<</span>T8 Devout Armour has +25 combat art damage and +25 spell damage which add to the amount of damage you do with spells or combat arts

[Dragon]

I don't know, I'd rather go with all devout for armor and get jewelry, belt, wrists, symbols, weapon and shield with agil str and sta.  An SK relies a lot on DPS and "life leeches" to hold agro, unless you use DM on every pull... but even so, it is much better to have as much DPS as possible even when tanking (without taking too much of a hit on mitigation and avoidance).  The pure fact that we get less of an effect from agility than warrior tanks, is enough for me to put less emphasis on all agility gear, and more toward getting my DPS up there.  Also, we mitigate a lot of damage with our "life leeches," something that warriors don't have.  It may not be much, but for grouping it makes a pretty big difference.  I don't believe +45 spell damage that is on T8 devout affects the "life leech" portion of our spells, but with a 1:1 hate to damage ratio... you can't afford to be slacking on overall DPS as an SK (once you lose agro, it is very hard to get it back without popping long cooldowns).

[Mathafern]

<cite>Karlen@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">>>>what is +CA +SD?<<<</span>T8 Devout Armour has +25 combat art damage and +25 spell damage which add to the amount of damage you do with spells or combat arts</blockquote>+45/+45 actually.  Vanguard is just +45 CA, with an extra ability tacked on like shield block.  For a straight up tank, the Vanguard is probably better- as long as you can do enough DPS to hold aggro.  With a good healer you don't need the block or avoidance as much so Devout is better- you get the damage and int, losing block and agi. Sadly, the set armour doesn't make it any clearer what's better- Sanctified and Ravaged Onslaught don't match the +damage of devout.  All you get is the boost to mit.

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Mathafern@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Karlen@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">>>>what is +CA +SD?<<<</span>T8 Devout Armour has +25 combat art damage and +25 spell damage which add to the amount of damage you do with spells or combat arts</blockquote>+45/+45 actually.  Vanguard is just +45 CA, with an extra ability tacked on like shield block.  For a straight up tank, the Vanguard is probably better- as long as you can do enough DPS to hold aggro.  With a good healer you don't need the block or avoidance as much so Devout is better- you get the damage and int, losing block and agi.Sadly, the set armour doesn't make it any clearer what's better- Sanctified and Ravaged Onslaught don't match the +damage of devout.  All you get is the boost to mit.</blockquote>Actually, mixture of both sets are best.  Go for vanguard with all % shield block and go after devout to fill in that vanguard doesn't have shield block.. That's what I made sets for crusaders as armorers as I suggested and they liked my idea of proper mixture of devout+vanguard for best result..

[Whatyastarinat]

Maybe it is the newb in me. I am lvl 43 SK. I have all plate. I did not use devout or vanguard. Should I? Please advise so I know if I am wrong.

[Wildmage]

<cite>Tryitdumbaz@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe it is the newb in me. I am lvl 43 SK. I have all plate. I did not use devout or vanguard. Should I? Please advise so I know if I am wrong.</blockquote>plate armor is designed for templars and inquisitors dump it get your self some devout and agility jewelry.

[Gehemnishthex]

are the stats for xegonite on allakhazam's right?<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.allakhazam.com/search.html?q=xegonite+vanguard" target="_blank">http://eq2.allakhazam.com/search.ht...gonite+vanguard</a>it shows +1 defense for each vanguard, and +1 disruption for each devout.if so, i presume the block bonuses and CA+ on some slots is a reference to the 70's set not the xegonite?so which seems better? going devout for the whole set and all agility enhancing for the rings etc or going full vanguard and then int for the rings etc.would going hate line (including the final power) help alleviate the need for dps and let me focus more on tanking?I spoze i just need to check the stats in game when i get home.

[Wildmage]

<cite>Gehemnishthex wrote:</cite><blockquote>are the stats for xegonite on allakhazam's right?<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.allakhazam.com/search.html?q=xegonite+vanguard" target="_blank">http://eq2.allakhazam.com/search.ht...gonite+vanguard</a>it shows +1 defense for each vanguard, and +1 disruption for each devout.if so, i presume the block bonuses and CA+ on some slots is a reference to the 70's set not the xegonite?so which seems better? going devout for the whole set and all agility enhancing for the rings etc or going full vanguard and then int for the rings etc.would going hate line (including the final power) help alleviate the need for dps and let me focus more on tanking?I spoze i just need to check the stats in game when i get home.</blockquote>considering how many sks I see loitering around in full vanguard with under 100 int...for the love of Thule go Devout Vanguards for warriors.

[Gehemnishthex]

<cite>Dragonae@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>The pure fact that we get less of an effect from agility than warrior tanks, is enough for me to put less emphasis on all agility gear, and more toward getting my DPS up there.  </blockquote>how much less of an effect do we get?and generally is the +1 disruption on devout better than the +1 defense on vanguard?I'm not sure how much effect each of them have.

[jagermonsta]

Use either suit depending on the situation?